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[Jin]

If they were always visible then you'd constantly see them. This can even be proven. I don't have many infractions/warnings because I constantly see them. The fact remains user notes are there from September time are too long. I have been punished with a ban (I never had a caution like you said was the first step) so half of my user notes should be eradicated as I have been punished for them. Although, one moderator told me user notes aren't punishments - so what am I supposed to believe?!

*cries*

Okay I will try one more time to clear this one up if I can't then I will officially give up on explaining usernotes.

Okay so first understand these fundamentals.

Usernotes are not a punishment they are logs.

Usernotes log PM's or other information we deem pertinent to the moderation of a user but 95% of the times they are just a record of the PM's sent to a user.

Lets assume this to be a school playground environment with several teachers and several students.

A PM = Verbal action
Usernote = Behaviour Card


Billy pushes over Johnny, then Miss Jones checks the "behaviour card", tells Billy off "VERBALLY" and records it on the "Behaviour Card" to state she has verbally told off Billy.

Later Billy hits Johnny, Miss Smith checks the "behaviour card", tells Billy off "VERBALLY" and records it on the "Behaviour Card" to say she has verbally told off Billy


Finally Billy takes Johnny's lunch, Miss Doe checks the "behaviour card" and then punishes Billy with a detention for bullying Johnny.

Because Miss Doe knows from the "Behaviour Card" that Jones and Smith have both verbally told of Billy for his behaviour.


The usernote itself is not a punishment, but the gaining of too many usernotes will ultimately lead to a punishment.

[lick]

If I could see everything that I had done in front of me I wouldn't exactly be proud of it. It would prompt me to be better behaved to ensure I don't break the rules. How can I have numerous usernotes on the same offence without getting a warning/infraction about it is beyond me.

Maybe if the system was used properly then it wouldn't be so bad. It hasn't been and never will be. User notes should either be scrapped or allow users to see them.

You have infractions but and you still break the rules?? You can see them..

[Immenseman]

*cries*

Okay I will try one more time to clear this one up if I can't then I will officially give up on explaining usernotes.

Okay so first understand these fundamentals.

Usernotes are not a punishment they are logs.

Usernotes log PM's or other information we deem pertinent to the moderation of a user but 95% of the times they are just a record of the PM's sent to a user.

Lets assume this to be a school playground environment with several teachers and several students.

A PM = Verbal action
Usernote = Behaviour Card


Billy pushes over Johnny, then Miss Jones checks the "behaviour card", tells Billy off "VERBALLY" and records it on the "Behaviour Card" to state she has verbally told off Billy.

Later Billy hits Johnny, Miss Smith checks the "behaviour card", tells Billy off "VERBALLY" and records it on the "Behaviour Card" to say she has verbally told off Billy


Finally Billy takes Johnny's lunch, Miss Doe checks the "behaviour card" and then punishes Billy with a detention for bullying Johnny.

Because Miss Doe knows from the "Behaviour Card" that Jones and Smith have both verbally told of Billy for his behaviour.


The usernote itself is not a punishment, but the gaining of too many usernotes will ultimately lead to a punishment.

If that's how it worked, it'd be great. That's not how it's being used so it isn't great, hence the thread. I should have been told I had too many and they were going to result in a ban rather then being sent a PM telling me I already had too many. Poor.

You have infractions but and you still break the rules?? You can see them..

Which supports my point nicely. I have 23 user notes because I can't see them. I have a whole 20 less infractions. I have 3 - because I can see them, simple.

[Jin]

But here is what I don't understand jake.

Is that we PM you, and the PM details becomes the usernote so why must we show you the PM again in the format of a usernote?

That is like saying when we ban you and you have your reason and date/time it will expire we then allow you to view your Ban log.

[Immenseman]

But here is what I don't understand jake.

Is that we PM you, and the PM details becomes the usernote so why must we show you the PM again in the format of a usernote?

That is like saying when we ban you and you have your reason and date/time it will expire we then allow you to view your Ban log.

Being technical manager I'm sure you understand you can't keep all your PMs. When I resigned as staff I had to delete every single one. If they were shown on your User CP then you would see them on a regular basis.

I don't check my PMs every day because I no longer get or send them on a regular basis. However, if they were with infractions - I would see them and be reminded. This can be proven, like I have said. I have 23 user notes but 3 infractions. Why? Because I see my infractions on a daily basis.

Or you could just scrap the user note system and revert back to warnings/infractions. There will be no excuses for people getting banned. I'm bewildered as to why I was allowed to build up so many user notes without being informed. Sure I had PMs - but they didn't say user notes were added.

I assure you some new users don't even know the user notes system exists. That isn't good enough considering it is used to hand out negative sanctions on individual members.

[lick]

You will still break the rules if you saw them probley, only last night rosie removed 2 of your posts because they were rude...

Was that after or before you found out you had them :rolleyes:

[Robbie]

It's not used to hand out negative sanctions itself, it's to record the negative sanctions (PM's, warnings, infractions).

[Immenseman]

You will still break the rules if you saw them probley, only last night rosie removed 2 of your posts because they were rude...

Was that after or before you found out you had them :rolleyes:

Don't comment on things you don't know about. She also sent me and Jen a PM telling us although it was a private joke it was inappropriate. This is exactly why you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

You can get off your high horse too. You were banned earlier this week so don't try and degrade me because to be quite frank it isn't going to work when you post utter rubbish without even a vague understanding. I'd understand if it was about the moderation system because you wouldn't be alone. Nobody seems to understand how they work.

[Agnostic Bear]

You are not being banned will you PLEASE GIVE UP.

[Immenseman]

Since when have you cared about the forum?

On topic:

Hxf should just follow Something Awful in ban/warnings etc.

Have probations and bans, probations stop you posting for a certain amount of time, and bans obviously ban you. Also have all bans/probations public so people get the extra humiliation and are discouraged from doing it again.

No, it's not public and it's not hard enough.

You are not being banned will you PLEASE GIVE UP.

changed your tune