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15-04-2012, 06:08 PM
Glen Coco

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Originally Posted by Mathew

..and damn it was nice. ;)

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why is it fair that you have a go saying that horse racing is cruel (even though the horses enjoy it) but then sit there eating a chicken that's been bred so all that it knows is artificial calories and pain and has been killed inhumanely?

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15-04-2012, 06:09 PM
Adam

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Originally Posted by Zedda

so you're admitting you're an immature hypocrite?
why is it fair that you have a go saying that horse racing is cruel (even though the horses enjoy it) but then sit there eating a chicken that's been bred so all that it knows is artificial calories and pain and has been killed inhumanely?

'cos he's mint obvs.

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15-04-2012, 06:12 PM
AlexHenry

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Originally Posted by Zedda

oh btw, whoever here is preaching about how cruel horse racing is, i hope that you're vegetarians because the way which animals are kept and their lifestlye (and they way in which they're killed) is a LOT worse than a race horse.
race horses probably have a far better life style then a normal, domestic horse. so whoever said 'he was pushed until he was staring death in the face'; erm no, he most likely had a great life. it just happened that he fell and must have broken something so the kindest thing to do was kill him before he began to feel the pain.
Jockeys are only allowed to hit the horses something like 5 times throughout the race, most of the flapping is to create the sound of the whip to encourage the horses to go forward. if you look, it's usually used before a jump or towards the end of the race to try to keep the horses going.
it is sad that two of them died, and how horses die all the time in races and other events but at the end of the day every sport comes with a risk.
although i don't think it's the course that's the problem; it's the number of horses which race. if you notice, at the start when it's almost like a stampede a lot more of the horses fall.

Jockeys are not actually allowed to whip their horses at all, if they do then they are disqualified from the race.
15-04-2012, 06:13 PM
Glen Coco

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Originally Posted by adECW

'cos he's mint obvs.

OH AND JUST TO MENTION MONEY.
the chicken that you just ate was bred and raised purely for profit; race horses are not bred entirely for profit.
15-04-2012, 06:14 PM
Ed.

Race Horses are often not even profitable. The majority of horse race owners do it because they love horses and they love the racing and the atmosphere. Yes, you get £975,000 if your horse wins the grand national, but think about all the money spent on the horse.
15-04-2012, 06:14 PM
Glen Coco

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Originally Posted by Alexy

Jockeys are not actually allowed to whip their horses at all, if they do then they are disqualified from the race.

I swear they are? there was a close up slow-motion of the jockey on the grey horse (that i think won?) hitting the horse on the shoulder...
15-04-2012, 06:16 PM
beth

you are allowed to whip the horse a certain amount of times. but like i said previously it's very rarely actually HITTING the horse, it's usually the riders boots or the saddle. the sound/action is the stimulant to the horse rather than the pain.
15-04-2012, 06:16 PM
Glen Coco

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Originally Posted by -Punchline

Race Horses are often not even profitable. The majority of horse race owners do it because they love horses and they love the racing and the atmosphere. Yes, you get £975,000 if your horse wins the grand national, but think about all the money spent on the horse.

exactly. I don't think all of these people saying how badly the horses are treated realise how much effort and time goes into training and horse, let alone the expenses.
no one would go to that much effort for something that they didn't love.
15-04-2012, 06:20 PM
Ed.

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Originally Posted by Zedda

exactly. I don't think all of these people saying how badly the horses are treated realise how much effort and time goes into training and horse, let alone the expenses.
no one would go to that much effort for something that they didn't love.

Horse races are actually the best kept animals. They have fortunes spent on their grooming, they have round the clock vets etc.

They are better kept than many humans!
15-04-2012, 06:20 PM
Adam

ITT: Mathew gets burnt.

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15-04-2012, 06:21 PM
Glen Coco

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Originally Posted by adECW

ITT: Mathew gets burnt.

love how he wasn't replied!!!
15-04-2012, 06:28 PM
Mathew

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Originally Posted by adECW

ITT: Mathew gets burnt.

Oh I know my argument sucks when comparing it to the fact I eat meat, but I still don't like it! :P

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Originally Posted by Zedda

love how he wasn't replied!!!

Clearly true.
15-04-2012, 06:31 PM
Glen Coco

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Originally Posted by Mathew

Oh I know my argument sucks when comparing it to the fact I eat meat, but I still don't like it! :P

Clearly true.

it was until you replied.
why are you still trying to argue your point if you know it's wrong?

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15-04-2012, 06:32 PM
Mathew

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Originally Posted by Zedda

it was until you replied.
why are you still trying to argue your point if you know it's wrong?

An opinion can never be wrong. Grow up.
15-04-2012, 06:56 PM
Glen Coco

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Originally Posted by Mathew

An opinion can never be wrong. Grow up.

'grow up' says the one calling the grand national cruel yet eats meat...
15-04-2012, 07:11 PM
beth

WHAT. am i losing the plot or is a metaphor about eating chicken being the same as betting on a horse than dies completely related to this thread.
15-04-2012, 07:18 PM
Glen Coco

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Originally Posted by bethany

WHAT. am i losing the plot or is a metaphor about eating chicken being the same as betting on a horse than dies completely related to this thread.

it is!
ONTOPIC: i like horses
15-04-2012, 07:31 PM
Lee

Gutted for the horses that died, it's a shame and I disagree with it.
16-04-2012, 09:31 AM
CaptainAce$$

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Originally Posted by Zedda

Have you ever ridden a horse?
if a horse didn't want to jump you wouldn't be able to get it to jump, simple as.

if you're going to ban horse racing why don 't you ban fishing at the same time?
and horse riding in general for that matter, any type of horse riding can result in injury.
Oh and football? there's been quite a few cardiac arrests recently hasn't there, why don't we jut ban that as well?
how about Crufts? the dogs clearly hate that, ban it. they could fall over and hurt themselves.
and the olympics maybe? because someone might get hurt.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE WISHES TO BAN BECAUSE IT HAS A RISK?

LOL, As it happens I do ride horses. I have done for 14 years. You can force a horse to jump with the use of a whip because a horse trusts you. Therefore it sees you as the 'leader'. Im not saying ban it am I? Your the one that is bringing 'banning' it into the mix. Im merely saying they don't always enjoy doing it but they do it because they are a herd animal. They don't wanna be left behind in the field, horses stick together in herds. Once the jockey is removed, 9 times out of 10 they continue because a horse on its own in the wild is unsafe. Btw, a broken leg can be attempted to be fixed. It'll just take a long long time and might have complications such as an abscess and in some cases, laminitis.
16-04-2012, 08:04 PM
Glen Coco

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Originally Posted by CaptainAce

LOL, As it happens I do ride horses. I have done for 14 years. You can force a horse to jump with the use of a whip because a horse trusts you. Therefore it sees you as the 'leader'. Im not saying ban it am I? Your the one that is bringing 'banning' it into the mix. Im merely saying they don't always enjoy doing it but they do it because they are a herd animal. They don't wanna be left behind in the field, horses stick together in herds. Once the jockey is removed, 9 times out of 10 they continue because a horse on its own in the wild is unsafe. Btw, a broken leg can be attempted to be fixed. It'll just take a long long time and might have complications such as an abscess and in some cases, laminitis.

in the long run, trying to fix the leg can be crueller to the horse in the long run.
and no, just because you whip a horse does not mean that they horse is going to go it.
and even if the horse was running because it wanted to stay in a herd, it wouldn't bother to jump all of the jumps.
16-04-2012, 08:14 PM
CaptainAce$$

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Originally Posted by Zedda

in the long run, trying to fix the leg can be crueller to the horse in the long run.
and no, just because you whip a horse does not mean that they horse is going to go it.
and even if the horse was running because it wanted to stay in a herd, it wouldn't bother to jump all of the jumps.

You run for 4 and half miles, you jump the huge jumps and you break your leg. See how fun it is then.
I am not going to continue this argument as you clearly do not know that much about horses therefore it is no good for me to explain to you about them. At the end of the day, a life is a life. Weather it be a horse or humans.

P.s, There are such things as pain killers that can be given to a recovering horse and I am not saying, putting down is cruel. All im saying is horses die in this race and it should be made much more safe then it is.
16-04-2012, 08:17 PM
Glen Coco

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Originally Posted by CaptainAce

You run for 4 and half miles, you jump the huge jumps and you break your leg. See how fun it is then.
I am not going to continue this argument as you clearly do not know that much about horses therefore it is no good for me to explain to you about them. At the end of the day, a life is a life. Weather it be a horse or humans.

lol ok then. i don't know anything about horses clearly.
if you're willing to keep a horse alive when it's in an incredible amount of pain then you don't deserve to set foot next to one, let alone get on it or own one. you're just cruel.
16-04-2012, 11:53 PM
-:Undertaker:-

I am fed up of this "the horses don't have a choice" well of course, they are horses. The horses don't have a choice to race thats true, but neither do the cows, pigs and sheep on your dinner plates.

Three other points,

- Horses race and jump in the wild, often resulting in broken limbs and agony as there is nobody to put them down immediately like at the Grand National.
- If horse racing were banned tommorow, thousands upon thousands of horses around this country would have to be put down as they would no longer serve a purpose.
- A great deal of people, thousands, depend on horse racing for a livelihood. That also includes rural communities.

On a side note, I used to live on the estate just next to the Grand National. :P
17-04-2012, 07:46 AM
GirlNextDoor15

Why some of you guys are betting cause you like the name etc.? I mean my father likes to gamble and one of the things he has gambled is horse racing. He has won a lot of bets and for some reason, he said it's not that hard to win one cause apparently, he analyze the previous results etc..
17-04-2012, 11:56 AM
Adam

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Originally Posted by GirlNextDoor15

Why some of you guys are betting cause you like the name etc.? I mean my father likes to gamble and one of the things he has gambled is horse racing. He has won a lot of bets and for some reason, he said it's not that hard to win one cause apparently, he analyze the previous results etc..

When there's 44 horses in a race you don't know who's going to win. 33-1 horse won it - did your magical future telling father predict that? No. It's called gambling, not winning.
19-04-2012, 08:14 PM
Glen Coco

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Originally Posted by CaptainAce

You run for 4 and half miles, you jump the huge jumps and you break your leg. See how fun it is then.
I am not going to continue this argument as you clearly do not know that much about horses therefore it is no good for me to explain to you about them. At the end of the day, a life is a life. Weather it be a horse or humans.

P.s, There are such things as pain killers that can be given to a recovering horse and I am not saying, putting down is cruel. All im saying is horses die in this race and it should be made much more safe then it is.

love how it was probably you gave me -rep for being clueless but you're the one saying you can give a horse painkillers for a broken leg?
erm.. no, it'll never heal as horses need to be up, they can't lie down all the time, and if they're stood up it's going to make the leg worse.
it's not the jumps that are unsafe, it used to be a lot worse and there's no evidence that there was a greater number of horses that died, it's the number of horses that run in the race.
oh and if you can get a horse to jump by whipping it you've clearly been riding riding school horses who do grammatically anything you ask them.
trying riding a 'real' horse then get back to me
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20-04-2012, 02:55 PM
Cerys

Laughing at half of the pathetic arguments in this thread xD

I always have and will think horse racing is cruel. Eating meat does not relate to horse racing at all - those animals are practically part of the food chain, where as horse racing it just wrong. If you see what I mean.

Really sorry for the horses that died! (Not sure if there was more than one)
20-04-2012, 03:41 PM
Glen Coco

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Originally Posted by :Cerys

Laughing at half of the pathetic arguments in this thread xD

I always have and will think horse racing is cruel. Eating meat does not relate to horse racing at all - those animals are practically part of the food chain, where as horse racing it just wrong. If you see what I mean.

Really sorry for the horses that died! (Not sure if there was more than one)

and how does horse racing not relate to eating meat?
it's still humans killing animals, yet it's ok?
20-04-2012, 05:03 PM
Cerys

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Originally Posted by Zedda

and how does horse racing not relate to eating meat?
it's still humans killing animals, yet it's ok?

Hm, its my opinion - stop trying to cause arguments out of everyones opinions :) its so annoying, and people will turn against you if you keep at it. :)
20-04-2012, 06:34 PM
CaptainAce$$

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Originally Posted by :Cerys

Hm, its my opinion - stop trying to cause arguments out of everyones opinions :) its so annoying, and people will turn against you if you keep at it. :)

You just said what I've been wanting to say to this user however, I didn't want to seem as if I was retaliating. + Rep for you Cerys (:
20-04-2012, 06:44 PM
Adam

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Originally Posted by :Cerys

Hm, its my opinion - stop trying to cause arguments out of everyones opinions :) its so annoying, and people will turn against you if you keep at it. :)

she's right tho.
20-04-2012, 07:44 PM
beth

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Originally Posted by :Cerys

Hm, its my opinion - stop trying to cause arguments out of everyones opinions :) its so annoying, and people will turn against you if you keep at it. :)

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Originally Posted by CaptainAce

You just said what I've been wanting to say to this user however, I didn't want to seem as if I was retaliating. + Rep for you Cerys (:

no cerys people turned against you for lying about having an eating disorder not because you voiced yr opinions.

people are ALLOWED to have opinions however when they don't back them up with facts and statistics and another person can challenge yr opinion with said information yr opinion becomes inferior as you choose not to be educated.
20-04-2012, 08:21 PM
CaptainAce$$

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Originally Posted by bethany

no cerys people turned against you for lying about having an eating disorder not because you voiced yr opinions.

people are ALLOWED to have opinions however when they don't back them up with facts and statistics and another person can challenge yr opinion with said information yr opinion becomes inferior as you choose not to be educated.

An opinion can end up with an argument though also, which means it can get out of hand. People can have opinions but sometimes, people say them in the most 'stuck' up manner.

Btw Zedda, Yes I do ride riding school horses but they are not push buttons ponies. They are horses and ponies with major bolting, bucking and general stubborness. I don't know why you bring riding school horses into this as we are talking about racehorses here, aka thoroughbred's who 'trust' the jockey upon their backs enough to do as they ask. If you really knew about horses and horseriding, you would know horsemanship and riding is based on trust.
20-04-2012, 08:30 PM
Cerys

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Originally Posted by bethany

no cerys people turned against you for lying about having an eating disorder not because you voiced yr opinions.

people are ALLOWED to have opinions however when they don't back them up with facts and statistics and another person can challenge yr opinion with said information yr opinion becomes inferior as you choose not to be educated.

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20-04-2012, 08:32 PM
beth

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Originally Posted by :Cerys

Firstly, I never said I had an eating disorder xD
Also, what relevance does the first paragraph have with what I said...?
Bethie, did you really read any of his/hers arguments? They caused them on practically everyones opinions that I read. It was getting ridiculous.

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20-04-2012, 08:40 PM
Cerys

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Originally Posted by bethany

yeah hun i did read the opinions hence why my comments are there about 6 pages previous to this.............

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21-04-2012, 12:47 AM
Kasabian

Cba reading the thread;

Horses bred for racing. Horses die. Sob Sob.

/thread.
21-04-2012, 12:50 AM
beth

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Originally Posted by :Cerys

Mk so why did you bring up the first paragraph? Is it just to accuse me of something that I haven't don't, and call me a liar again - just to make me feel like rubbish? Because its not very nice what you are doing. :)

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21-04-2012, 01:09 AM
The Don

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Originally Posted by :Cerys

Mk so why did you bring up the first paragraph? Is it just to accuse me of something that I haven't don't, and call me a liar again - just to make me feel like rubbish? Because its not very nice what you are doing. :)

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21-04-2012, 01:22 AM
GirlNextDoor15

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Originally Posted by :Cerys

Mk so why did you bring up the first paragraph? Is it just to accuse me of something that I haven't don't, and call me a liar again - just to make me feel like rubbish? Because its not very nice what you are doing. :)

not really convinced youre a liar but i think you just enjoy being uneducated and naive.

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