Abuse of staff powers / Outright fail in communications and knowledge of rules.

Urgh, this whole "let's warn the buggar and not communicate further with him" is one of the reasons this forum "sucks". The lack of communication with super mods/management and the members is amazing in a negative way, and this is the result of what happens when communication malfunctions.

And this whole "Super Moderator Handbook" business is a load of bottox, if the rules members have to follow aren't public then this handbook is a deemed failure. The handbook should have information ready available for members, just re-worded and tweaked so that super moderators can do their business accurately and with guidance. It's pretty poor that a warning was issued, even though the discussion was still going. Wait until Jin at least gets involved before chucking the red tape around like New Years Eve confetti, seeing as removing the avatar seems to of been an immature move when it could of stayed until Jin implemented the 5 year membership VIP, or gave his verdict.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

- We can (WITHOUT ANY PRIOR NOTICE) edit, close/lock, move, duplicated or publish any of your posted content because as soon as it is posted, you are the author of the content, but it becomes property of Habbox UK Forum.

and

- You give us the right (WITHOUT ANY PRIOR NOTICE) to edit, caution, temporarily ban or permanently ban, as well as your IP, or take any other measurements that we feel necessary.

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Yes, they can do that, but it makes them look ignorant, irrational and abusive ;) And it further backs-up that communication and valued membership are not wanted here. SO saying that is a bit irrelevant really :/

ok i havent read whole post so sorry if its been said before.
im guessing its oli? from his reply on first page

in all fairness to him.. its been like this for along time as far as im aware
i had a oversized thing and i got asked to remove it by nvr :P
and if i didnt id get a warning within 24 hours.
its not you
its not abuse of powers
its not failure of communication
its the rules and everyone has to go by the rules
i think its fair :)
so yeah ;[ sorry

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Originally Posted by Mentor

FAQ article !== rules

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When the FAQ encompasses rules I'd have thought it would be pretty obvious that you're supposed to comply with any restrictions set out there too. Why would they write something in the FAQ and not expect it to be followed? Furthermore...

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Originally Posted by Mentor

Nore were they clear cut. I have read them a good 30 times, they still sound to be simple information telling you what sizes you can physically set while in a group

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Seeing as how it's entirely obvious (from the fact that you had 150*150 as an emerald member) that the sizes are not physical restrictions that are impossible to overcome, it follows logically that you're meant to take note yourself.

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Originally Posted by Mentor

No mention is ever made to the effect that because I move from one group to another that my avatar now becomes against the rules.

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Again, logic. You are clearly being pedantic here - I'm sure if 11 year olds who sign up for the first time can get it right then it shouldn't be a challenge for one of the more intelligent members of the board.

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Originally Posted by 00chips

It's not a maximum limit, it's a maximum which you can set to.

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Suggesting it's a limit...

You need to read between the lines, it's common sense

Bronze rank - 90 x 100

Means

Members of the bronze rank are permitted to have an avatar of 90x100.

Put it this way, I've pm'd hundreds of members using the same system used to PM Mentor, 90% of them comply and remove/reduce the avatar. Few don't and recieve a warning (like Mentor did). Many say "stupid rule", but none complain like this. I don't believe this is an issue at all.

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Originally Posted by invincible

Suggesting it's a limit...

You need to read between the lines, it's common sense

Bronze rank - 90 x 100

Means

Members of the bronze rank are permitted to have an avatar of 90x100.

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No, it means that members of the 'Bronze rank' can set their avatar up to 90x100, but when they are moved down to 'Copper rank' they don't have to change their avatar to 8x8 because they have already earned the right of 'Bronze rank'.

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Originally Posted by invincible

Put it this way, I've pm'd hundreds of members using the same system used to PM Mentor, 90% of them comply and remove/reduce the avatar. Few don't and recieve a warning (like Mentor). Many say "stupid rule", but none complain like this. I don't believe this is an issue at all.

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Mentor has one of the world's most epic Avatars, surely it should be allowed for it's epicness?

If they didnt enforce the rules on Mentor, I can see a different member complaining that Mentor is getting away with it.

Everyone has to follow the same rules and use some common sense.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

Rules, FAQ, whats the difference, seriously :S You are simply nitpicking.



I think that's clear enough. As a Emerald, you cant have a avatar size higher than 140x140, simple as.

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Frequently asked questions and rules are pretty different... o.0 Law vs yahoo answers kinda different.

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Originally Posted by invincible

If one usergroup has a maximum limit of 150x150 and then another usergroup has a maximum limit of 140x140 I think that's pretty self evident if you move usergroups you must comply to these limits?

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They are the limitations imposed by the forums avatar setting mechanism no? Since this is an FAQ it makes a lot more sense to assume that is what your being told.
Even so, there is no rule against being over the maxium avatar size limit within the rules page? Your again quoteing an faq. Please point me to the actual rule.

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Originally Posted by 00chips

It's not a maximum limit, it's a maximum which you can set to.

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I read it exactly the same way. I find it hard to belive others read it any difference, my guess is people just getting defensive and its the only thing they have to use against me "/

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Originally Posted by Smits

Ahh right, then there was no issue before with the avatar.

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I don't know where this idea of me being vip all the time comes from, i haven't been vip since my account was merged, and even then it was only the once because i won MoTM?

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It's clear that Mentor is basing his case on the fact that the only written rule regarding avatar size is

I think a basic solution would be to add the note about user groups affecting avatar sizes under this, and therefore there is no more issue.

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Indeed, if the rules stated, avatars my be no larger than the limit specified for each user group. Then i would have no argument as it would then be a rule. As it stands now though, its just now "/

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I know Mentor also suggested that if the rules are updated then they should not be enforced retrospectively, but with something like this i think they should. Afterall, having one or two people who are not affected by the rule, could easily cause confusion for newer members.

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I dont see any issue with giving benifits to those of us who have been around for ages. Ether way, i qualify for free VIP under nvr's scheme? I have requested it but been unable to get it. If it was provided to me as it should have been then there never would have been an issue to start with "/

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True, but why would it be a maximum at which you can set to, if it didn't really apply anyway, because you can technically have a 150 x 150 sized avatar anyway. I think it's obvious that when those guidelines were written, they were meant to act as a rule, and not just imformation.

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if your non-vip and set your avatar to 150*150, it'll get resized to the max for your group anyway?

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Originally Posted by Mentor

Frequently asked questions and rules are pretty different... o.0 Law vs yahoo answers kinda different.

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Again, your examples are extremely poor. Your example is nothing like hxf's FAQ and Rules.

They were both written by HabboxForum. Yahoo Answers and the Law are totally different.

Seriously, stop nitpicking and just admit you are wrong.

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I dont see any issue with giving benifits to those of us who have been around for ages. Ether way, i qualify for free VIP under nvr's scheme? I have requested it but been unable to get it. If it was provided to me as it should have been then there never would have been an issue to start with "/

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Why hasn't it being activated? Is Jin the only one who can activate VIP?

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I don't believe this is an issue at all.

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^^ This.

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Originally Posted by Smits

Why hasn't it being activated? Is Jin the only one who can activate VIP?



^^ This.

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Jin must be the only one who can issue it if it wasn't referred to Features Manager. Probably a certain thread they have to update with the names of the users who have already claimed it.