EU recieves even more power from the bent left wing British Government..

[-:Undertaker:-]

I personally think your in denial. Are you a British citizen or an immigrant? Because living in England, being an English citizen means you are a citizen of Great Britian. You cannot deny the fact you are British. Thats like me denying that I'm 15. It's cold hards facts, it is who I am. I accept it.

You fail to understand it.

I am English, not British. I reject the idea of a union which gives away my countrys money to another country. I am offically yes, but I don't consider myself British or European. I am English and proud.

[Browney]

You fail to understand it.

I am English, not British. I reject the idea of a union which gives away my countrys money to another country. I am offically yes, but I don't consider myself British or European. I am English and proud.

Ah. The way you said it made it seem like you were denying it. Well I suppose considering yourself British is a complete different issue. I got confused by the comment:

"I am not British"

Well fair enough, as I said, it's a matter of opinion, I can't fault that.

[FlyingJesus]

Left-Wing is basically communism, they traditionally believe in softer jail sentences, giving money to the poor (even if they are sponges) and taxing the hard working taxpayers just as is happening now. the left also is all for the EU and is normally against the Western USA and UK alliance. Left wingers also believe in a big Government.

Right-Wing is nationalism, they normally believe in harsher punishments, less tax, against Europe and normally pro western. Right wingers also believe in smaller local governments.

That's not true actually left wing is socialism (communism is a distortion of that, not an extreme of it) which is into heavily taxing people in order to give more benefits out, fund NHS and other "welfare state" ideas, and attempt to make people more materialistically equal. I don't agree with it, but that's the fact of what it is. You're right about socialism having a strong government, because it focuses on "positive freedom" - whereby stronger laws and powers are introduced in order to make it possible for people to do certain things. As for jail sentences, that's Labour as a party, not a left-wing view in itself.

Right wing by contrast is conservatism (rather than nationalism which again is a distortion), which fundamentally holds views that support "negative freedom" - that is, having a smaller government which doesn't interfere with the people so much (ie: privatisation of pretty much everything except armed forces and law, no taxes and a strong free market), and instead of giving the freedom to do, it gives freedom from being stopped doing as you will. Punishment again has nothing to do with it fundamentally.

You're confusing yourself Dan: you're mixing up ideologies with parties. Having conservative views with a small c is not the same as being a Conservative with a big C and the same for socialism/Labour.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Ideology is Politics, each party has it's own core values which it will normally stick to.

[FlyingJesus]

Ideologies are actually part of philosophy of politics rather than the running of it, and how a party operates is generally in that sphere yes, but not everything Labour do is socialist and not everything the Tories do is conservative. It's easy to confuse I guess but it's quite telling when you say that part of socialism is harsh punishments.

[Ezzie.]

The term english is silly anyway, we're all a bunch of immigrants apart from about 2% of the population.

[FlyingJesus]

Not that many even, maybe 2% are British but certainly not plain English (as in Anglo-Saxon)

[Virgin Mary]

All that will come of this is the BNP being voted into power, gassing immigrants and any non-whites, going to war with the EU and then losing.

[Jordy]

All that will come of this is the BNP being voted into power, gassing immigrants and any non-whites, going to war with the EU and then losing.

I would genuinely support them if they had more decent idea's and actually stood a chance.

If the conservatives merged with the BNP and UKIP I'd be made

[Ezzie.]

The bnp are scum.. sorry to insult anyone, but they're bordering on nazism, my mum actually voted for them last election which disgusted me ¬_¬ but meh. that's another topic.