Yes or No? to ---MAD---

[JackHb]

Not been on for months so cant really recall much but im sure plenty of others will.
There has been quite a few ideas that just drift down the feedback forum even if staff really like them which you cant deny.
Theres the rep power issue that you just got on with without discussing limits etc that if discussed with members and staff alike would have got a much better response.

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Edited by Professor-Alex (Moderation Manager): Please do not be rude and racist.

I really don't think what Jrh2002 said was racist, all he said was 3rd World County and about 23 Wives. I think that warning should be withdrawn very very quickly, the rude one can stay. You need to be very careful when your calling someone a racist IMO.

As for --SS-- I am not taking sides with you or ---MAD--- as I am not clear on what happened but if you were fired for voicing your opinion over moderation changes then that is a bit unfair, as the amount of arguments and disagreements I had with management would be longer than my christmas list (and that is long)

[e5]

might have been rude but not racist tyvm so i think you need infracting for slander



Tell me where thats racist? Maybe you should look up racism and put it in your moderation guide if your the manager because from what i can see your wrong.


EDIT:

accused of being racist by some clever person.
Rude yes but racist NO so even tho i accept the infraction I dont want to be branded a racist unless you leave my text there for all to see to judge for theirselves.

I think he interpreted

you get back to your 3rd world country who treat women one step below camels.

as racism.

[JackHb]

I think he interpreted



as racism.

But 3rd World County is not racist, he is reffering to Mad's country as underdeveloped.
"Third World is a name given to nations that are generally considered to be underdeveloped economically during the 20th century. " - Wikipedia

I don't think the person who has gave Jrh the warning understands how serious it is to start calling someone a racist on a forum with so many young members.

[Catzsy]

My main complaint is on the moderation system which got introduced with the forum upgrades. It came out of know where without even asking for opinions and views on the change before hand and they expected everyone just to follow it. Many people disliked the system and complained about it but no changes were made for staff and it was left the way it was with alot of (S)Mods upset so I complained about no changes being made to it and I got fired for it even though I believe I was being quite fair during the situation. Soon after I got fired a thread was made in the mod section by MAD basically telling everyone to stop crying and deal with it.
Apparently the users of the forum liked it but it seemed as if a majority of the moderation team did not, Surely the staff should have an say onit aswell as actually being listened to.
It felt to me as if he was they were trying to please and get all the users on their side by neglecting the Staff.

I am not commenting on the first part but don't you think that we are here for the members? The polls suggested by a big majority that they were disatisfied with the present system so efforts were made to change it to be more flexible and not just for the people breaking rules. The mods therefore really are there to enforce the rules whether they agree with them or not.
I know that I did. You were obviously happier with the harsher regime where people had 'punishment' as you put it but things change and personally for me this is a much better system and has already reaped in own rewards
in mod/member communication. The thread posted by MAD was very reasonable in the circumstances I felt as a system needs to settle in, be tested and evaluated before further changes are made. You were a great SMOD there is no doubting that but perhaps you were not seeing the bigger picture on this particular topic. When I say that I have experienced not seeing the bigger picture myself and worn the same tshirt! I really hope you will be back soon as Habbox needs people like you.

[MissAlice]

My main complaint is on the moderation system which got introduced with the forum upgrades. It came out of know where without even asking for opinions and views on the change before hand and they expected everyone just to follow it. Many people disliked the system and complained about it but no changes were made for staff and it was left the way it was with alot of (S)Mods upset so I complained about no changes being made to it and I got fired for it even though I believe I was being quite fair during the situation. Soon after I got fired a thread was made in the mod section by MAD basically telling everyone to stop crying and deal with it.
Apparently the users of the forum liked it but it seemed as if a majority of the moderation team did not, Surely the staff should have an say onit aswell as actually being listened to.
It felt to me as if he was they were trying to please and get all the users on their side by neglecting the Staff.

Changes happen in life, look at Habbo as a classic example, constant change after change, lots of which I really dislike, but we have to try it first and then pick out what features we really don't like once the dust settles.

It's a shame management didn't advise (S)Mods of the changes beforehand, or even give them the opportunity to discuss them, seems this is no different to how the rep system got changed, which is a great pity. Communication is the key to working with a team!

Some very good mods I think are being missed, yourself and Finkelstien instantly spring to mind.

[The Professor]

But 3rd World County is not racist, he is reffering to Mad's country as underdeveloped.
"Third World is a name given to nations that are generally considered to be underdeveloped economically during the 20th century. " - Wikipedia

Correct, but saying "get back to your 23 future wives" is generalising about him because of the country he lives in, if that isn't racism I really don't know what is.

[JackHb]

Correct, but saying "get back to your 23 future wives" is generalising about him because of the country he lives in, if that isn't racism I really don't know what is.

I think you will find that there are a few countries/religons which men can marry more than 1 women, so it is something that happens day-to-day and is legal in many countries, so I do not see how it is being racist than Jrh is reffering to something legal in some countries. And if it does happen in Mad's country (I am unsure as do not know where he lives) then it can't be racist in the tinyest bit

I see you have now changed Jrh2002 warning, much appreciated. I am not having a personal attack at you Alex. However in work I have to consult the equalitys team before we do many things so I get a bit wound up when the word racist gets thrown around. Thanks

[jrh2002]

Correct, but saying "get back to your 23 future wives" is generalising about him because of the country he lives in, if that isn't racism I really don't know what is.

Mad is English / British i think :s Lives in an Arab country where you are allowed multiple wives :s i never mentioned anything about the wives nationality so its not racist so nice of you to admit you dont know what it is. Want me to say 23 husbands? homosexalality is not allowed in most if not all arab countries. How can you do that job if you cant tell the difference to comments like i made or racism. :eusa_wall also straight infraction? I would complain but I really cant be bothered with dealing with people who dont know what they are talking about.

EDIT: LOL so its just rude now? so you clearly dont know hat racism is? for a mod ok they can learn but LOLLLLLLLLL at you. If you are ever going to take over from MAD I will pay him to stop :eusa_whis least he knows whats racist or not :8

Going now back when its safe unless i die of old age first. :8

[--ss--]

I am not commenting on the first part but don't you think that we are here for the members? The polls suggested by a big majority that they were disatisfied with the present system so efforts were made to change it to be more flexible and not just for the people breaking rules. The mods therefore really are there to enforce the rules whether they agree with them or not.
I know that I did. You were obviously happier with the harsher regime where people had 'punishment' as you put it but things change and personally for me this is a much better system and has already reaped in own rewards
in mod/member communication. The thread posted by MAD was very reasonable in the circumstances I felt as a system needs to settle in, be tested and evaluated before further changes are made. You were a great SMOD there is no doubting that but perhaps you were not seeing the bigger picture on this particular topic. When I say that I have experienced not seeing the bigger picture myself and worn the same tshirt! I really hope you will be back soon as Habbox needs people like you.

I do understand that we/I are/was here for the members/community but surely the job should be kept easy for us instead of complicating it. I do understand by what you mean by the "Bigger picture" as it is much more community friendly but I still go by what I said in the moderation section about the old system being perfectly fine, it was just the actual rules that people complained about and I agree several off them are dealt with far too harshly , especially when things are jokes and such. I believe instead of completely revamping the system, the rules should have been changed first as people are actually going to be complaining about the rules no matter what the system is.

This system is perfect for newer users but I believe we were always supposed to pm the newer users and let them off and give them a chance as it's always been done like that (Well I've always done it like that anyway).
But what I meant by 'punishing users' is that most users actually know about the rules and they will break them to annoy or disrupt the community, surely an PM isn't going to bother them and will let them get away with it when an warning which should mean nothing would actually punish them in away.
Lets say if you were getting harassed or insulted by someone who is trolling on the forum, surely you would prefer them to be punished or get into trouble instead off them being left free with an pm letting them do it again.

I did try test it out and fall into place but I found it far too much work as there were tons of pile ups off reported posts for me to deal with and quite frankly I would be wasting my time pming people if they don't care and when I can take care off more important things.

I would like to come back as staff but I doubt it will be as an Mod .

Changes happen in life, look at Habbo as a classic example, constant change after change, lots of which I really dislike, but we have to try it first and then pick out what features we really don't like once the dust settles.

It's a shame management didn't advise (S)Mods of the changes beforehand, or even give them the opportunity to discuss them, seems this is no different to how the rep system got changed, which is a great pity. Communication is the key to working with a team!

Some very good mods I think are being missed, yourself and Finkelstien instantly spring to mind.

Thanks for all your support, but you could say i'm sort off ignorant when it comes to change in life, my mind and body doesn't adapt very easily to changes then most people do and I find it quite stressful and annoying (Yes I am weird )
The main reason why I actually complained was none off the several posts and threads by the mods were getting put into consideration , the only replies we were getting were to try it for longer and so on.

I would have liked to appeal to my dismissal but it's extremely hard to do so in private when Mad has/had his pm box set to private .

As for the '3rd world country' comment, the apparent country I believe he is from isn't a third world country and I believe is quite rich in oil and natural resources making it a bit more developed. Surely that comment shouldn't bother him too much anyway seeing as that is just an general stereotype which people use everyday.

Anyway back to revision for me xox.

[Catzsy]

I do understand that we/I are/was here for the members/community but surely the job should be kept easy for us instead of complicating it. I do understand by what you mean by the "Bigger picture" as it is much more community friendly but I still go by what I said in the moderation section about the old system being perfectly fine, it was just the actual rules that people complained about and I agree several off them are dealt with far too harshly , especially when things are jokes and such. I believe instead of completely revamping the system, the rules should have been changed first as people are actually going to be complaining about the rules no matter what the system is.

This system is perfect for newer users but I believe we were always supposed to pm the newer users and let them off and give them a chance as it's always been done like that (Well I've always done it like that anyway).
But what I meant by 'punishing users' is that most users actually know about the rules and they will break them to annoy or disrupt the community, surely an PM isn't going to bother them and will let them get away with it when an warning which should mean nothing would actually punish them in away.
Lets say if you were getting harassed or insulted by someone who is trolling on the forum, surely you would prefer them to be punished or get into trouble instead off them being left free with an pm letting them do it again.

I did try test it out and fall into place but I found it far too much work as there were tons of pile ups off reported posts for me to deal with and quite frankly I would be wasting my time pming people if they don't care and when I can take care off more important things.

I would like to come back as staff but I doubt it will be as an Mod .

Thanks for all your support, but you could say i'm sort off ignorant when it comes to change in life, my mind and body doesn't adapt very easily to changes then most people do and I find it quite stressful and annoying (Yes I am weird )
The main reason why I actually complained was none off the several posts and threads by the mods were getting put into consideration , the only replies we were getting were to try it for longer and so on.

I would have liked to appeal to my dismissal but it's extremely hard to do so in private when Mad has/had his pm box set to private .

As for the '3rd world country' comment, the apparent country I believe he is from isn't a third world country and I believe is quite rich in oil and natural resources making it a bit more developed. Surely that comment shouldn't bother him too much anyway seeing as that is just an general stereotype which people use everyday.

Anyway back to revision for me xox.

Well you know I don't think the pm system applied to trollers and people like that and I am sure that if the new system is more labour intensive than it used to be that the GM and MM would be really open to getting in more Smods & Mods to cope. I feel perhaps that it was a combination of stress, due to this time of year with exams and misunderstanding/miscommunication. Personally I feel while the new system will take time to set up - remember that it seemed so much because all users except serious rule breakers had pms and this will diminish as time goes on. I think the benefits of the new system will far outweigh the old one as time goes on and I hope you will be be back as your experience is obviously a great asset.