Halal - Right or Wrong?

[Loser]

A bolt to the head is a split second but just look at that halal vid i posted he has a good chop to get to where he wants and I believe that is alot less humane and even if when the artaries are cut I still believe pain would go to the brain until the brain dies which is far from instant.
the only method for slaughter by companies should be the most humane way and not use some evil spirit crap as an excuse of practicing beheading people.

are you welsh? just the way you type and act reminds me of a few welsh people i know.

I don't know where you've posted a video, but in the link in your original post, I found this.

Prof. Charles Lovett Evans, F.R.C.V.S., has this to say:-

" As anyone who has ever witnessed the act is well aware, the animal lies absolutely still the moment the vessels arc cut, and it is only a minute or so later that asphyxia! convulsions set in. Consciousness we know is lost long before this " .

It also states that animals don't feel major pain immediately. I'm sure this can be backed up by someone who has broken a limb or something. I know my friend broke him wrist playing football and didn't realise it was broken until days later, and he only felt pain a half hour after the match had ended. Thus nullifying your arguement that the animal feels pain before it's dead.

I have no idea what your last point is about (beheading people etc.)

And yes, I am Welsh.

[Tintinnabulate]

Most people do feel pain ...
Are you saying if I cut you open now and let you bleed to death you wouldnt feel pain?

Would you rather that I killed you quickly or by letting you bleed to death?

[jrh2002]

I don't know where you've posted a video, but in the link in your original post, I found this.



It also states that animals don't feel major pain immediately. I'm sure this can be backed up by someone who has broken a limb or something. I know my friend broke him wrist playing football and didn't realise it was broken until days later, and he only felt pain a half hour after the match had ended. Thus nullifying your arguement that the animal feels pain before it's dead.

I have no idea what your last point is about (beheading people etc.)

And yes, I am Welsh.

Have you ever stepped on a dog or cats toe? they go mental instantly but its nice to know if i decide to slit their throats it wont hurt lol
Have you never seen sportsman get major injuries? most are in agony instantly so your friend was very lucky so to use that as proof animals dont feel instant pain is rediculous.
I will use your agument that until you are in the animals shoes so to speak we will never be 100% sure how much pain they feel but it must be more pain than an animal that gets a bolt feels.

[Loser]

Most people do feel pain ...
Are you saying if I cut you open now and let you bleed to death you wouldnt feel pain?

Would you rather that I killed you quickly or by letting you bleed to death?

Oh my God.
If you ripped off my arm, it would be unlikely that I feel that pain immediately. If you cut off my head, it would be unlikely that I feel that pain immediately. Partly because of said explanation and partly because I'd be dead.

If you sliced my throat, I would probably die before all my blood had been drained from my body.

:eusa_wall

[Loser]

Have you ever stepped on a dog or cats toe? they go mental instantly but its nice to know if i decide to slit their throats it wont hurt lol
Have you never seen sportsman get major injuries? most are in agony instantly so your friend was very lucky so to use that as proof animals dont feel instant pain is rediculous.
I will use your agument that until you are in the animals shoes so to speak we will never be 100% sure how much pain they feel but it must be more pain than an animal that gets a bolt feels.

Any Surgeon today knows that sudden big injuries are not felt at the time of infliction. Pain comes later when the wound is (septic, and) inflamed. Structures beneath the skin apart from isolated sensory nerve endings are insensitive to the knife.

I'm not disagreeing that stunning the animal before killing it is more appropriate. I'm disagreeing with you believing Halal meat is torturing an animal.

Edited by ,Jess, (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not double post, simply edit your first post.

[jrh2002]

I'm not disagreeing that stunning the animal before killing it is more appropriate. I'm disagreeing with you believing Halal meat is torturing an animal.

I have been there during many injuries and seen people screaming and crying like babies as soon as its happened so I suggest your professor mate gets of his back side in his office and goes and researches it for real.
You should read my first post where i started the thread and I put both sides of the argument over and then my opinion. i cant recall saying that they torture by death of 1000 cuts unless i was taking the p out of somebody then its possible

[Loser]

I have been there during many injuries and seen people screaming and crying like babies as soon as its happened so I suggest your professor mate gets of his back side in his office and goes and researches it for real.
You should read my first post where i started the thread and I put both sides of the argument over and then my opinion. i cant recall saying that they torture by death of 1000 cuts unless i was taking the p out of somebody then its possible

That was actually taken from the website in your original post (again). You might not have said it, but alot of people responded to your original post interpreting the Halal method as evil, so I assumed you thought the same.

To be honest, I'm bored of this right now. Feel free to post a response, but I won't be replying tonight.

[Herman]

Not all Hindus are vegetarians.

That I know. It is just that you don't eat beef because the cow is believed to be sacred.

And not all muslims are extremists

Finally, you get my point! Why are you saying this now when you said earlier...

Its totally stupid.
Thats seriously stupid.
What a load of crap.

Unneccessary comments. This is a debate, not a place where you can vent on anger on muslims.

They are involved in most of the major terrorist attacks because they want the whole world to convert to Islam.

"... convert everyone to Islam by all means necessary."

A lot of them even promote terrorism.

They are all Muslims and you might say they are acting on their own and Muslims dont like him, but why is it always Muslims who are involved in most terrorist attacks?

They, they they. Clearly you believed that we are all extremists. I am fine with you disagreeing with halal food. Debate, go ahead. But if you go on and talk about how all of us are extremists and are only out to convert the human race to Islam, then that is simply out of the question. That is not even what this debate is about. You have offended me and my religion.

[jrh2002]

That was actually taken from the website in your original post (again). You might not have said it, but alot of people responded to your original post interpreting the Halal method as evil, so I assumed you thought the same.

To be honest, I'm bored of this right now. Feel free to post a response, but I won't be replying tonight.

I asked if people think its right or wrong I dont like the way its done and muslims using religeon as an excuse for it. I think there are more humane ways to slaughter animals but i would not avoid halal over it but i also would not buy it out of choice either. I do not think its torture because if it was then they would kill it very slowly over a long period of time.

[VPSwow]

Its just sick and should not be allowed.