UKIP Exposed!

[Frodo13.]

The currency before the ERM was fine, but when we joined the ERM the currency became unstable and we had to withdraw so indeed, it did save the currency from becoming void. I believe it was a terrible decision to join and the only good thing that came out of it was that it stalled european intergration.

Other nations such as Italy and Ireland also suffered on Black Wednesday and according to Wikipedia, the United Kingdom did well compared to other nations on that day.

But Britain was never forced to sign it by anyone in Europe, infact, the UK had been refusing to sign it since 1978 I believe. Thatcher was pressured by Major. I don't agree with the ERM and our involvement in it, but Thatcher/Major should of never agreed to it in the first place.

The subject of remaining in the EU, I do support it, and whilst I'll be the first to admitt it has it's faults, there is several reasons I support it. These are;

• Free health care across EU
• Right to work anywhere in the EU
• The EU courts has not set any precedent in criminal cases, thus part of the argument saying the EU courts have too much power is void.
• The EU Courts of Human Rights give a more global representation of what the world believes to be morally right, arguably creating fairer results.
• Being a participant of the EU has created thousands of jobs for British people, jobs which wouldn't be available if we left the EU.
• Could be said that membership of the EU can lead to cheaper prices in shops. These foreigners do come over here, and do get paid less than a British worker. As a result, we can enjoy cheaper prices than if something is made in Britain or by British workers.

[-:Undertaker:-]

ukip couldn't run parliament because they are a 1-issue party (even the BNP have more issues than UKIP), 25% of their MEPs were kicked out or left or were imprisoned and their average attendance is only 60%. They don't even do their voters wishes in parliament. They are useless. NO2EU have at least said they won't waste money by going!

They are not a one issue party, you are throwing claims around that are not true. If you look at the Green Party website then yes that is a one issue party, whereas UKIP has its stance on many subjects, crime, immigration and so forth, a lot of which, sadly, nowadays is decided in Brussels by the European Commission.

Do not tell me that UKIP are useless, at least they attempt with other euro-sceptic partys to stand up to the EU and defend national interests, whereas the other lot, mostly Labour and the Liberal Democrats are fairly happy to continue to sign away our sovereignty and taxpayer money to come faceless, unelected eurocrats.

Exactly. What's the point in sharing views with someone, if the person you elect to represent them doesn't even go to parliament. It's like employing someone and they don't even turn up for work but you still pay them.

They do go to the parliament, compared to the MEP's of the other parties, of which most of them do stay in Brussels and sign in everyday to recieve extra funds, yet do not actually attend the parliament.

But Britain was never forced to sign it by anyone in Europe, infact, the UK had been refusing to sign it since 1978 I believe. Thatcher was pressured by Major. I don't agree with the ERM and our involvement in it, but Thatcher/Major should of never agreed to it in the first place.

The subject of remaining in the EU, I do support it, and whilst I'll be the first to admitt it has it's faults, there is several reasons I support it. These are;

• Free health care across EU
• Right to work anywhere in the EU
• The EU courts has not set any precedent in criminal cases, thus part of the argument saying the EU courts have too much power is void.
• The EU Courts of Human Rights give a more global representation of what the world believes to be morally right, arguably creating fairer results.
• Being a participant of the EU has created thousands of jobs for British people, jobs which wouldn't be available if we left the EU.
• Could be said that membership of the EU can lead to cheaper prices in shops. These foreigners do come over here, and do get paid less than a British worker. As a result, we can enjoy cheaper prices than if something is made in Britain or by British workers.

I agree fully, we should never have gone into it in the first place. I won't go on about the points you made on the European Union because you actually will state what you believe in, without throwing words like facist/racist about like some others do and refuse to back up their points of view.

[AgnesIO]

ukip couldn't run parliament because they are a 1-issue party (even the BNP have more issues than UKIP), 25% of their MEPs were kicked out or left or were imprisoned and their average attendance is only 60%. They don't even do their voters wishes in parliament. They are useless. NO2EU have at least said they won't waste money by going!

Oh and you think the Cons and Labour Party will do what voters want - yeh come back down to earth..

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On the other hand, Dan that thing about MT being one of the greatest UK PM's..

She started the economies meltdown.

[Frodo13.]

I agree fully, we should never have gone into it in the first place. I won't go on about the points you made on the European Union because you actually will state what you believe in, without throwing words like facist/racist about like some others do and refuse to back up their points of view.

Yes, UKIP are definatly not racist, they are basically just an olden day Conservative Party. I personally think that if someone don't want to vote for one of the main 3 parties in the UK, then they should vote UKIP. For a party with little power, they've got a good head on their shoulders. Reasons for me not supporting them however is their view on the EU. I actually think their view on imigration is OK (the British people get to choose who works here), however I'm unsure how that would be carried out in practice.

[champions]

Most of you can't vote so I don't know why you are debating this?

[GommeInc]

Reasons for me not supporting them however is their view on the EU. I actually think their view on imigration is OK (the British people get to choose who works here), however I'm unsure how that would be carried out in practice.

The last I heard was a "point system" or a qualifications system. Can't remember why goes with which party, or if both apply to UKIP

Most of you can't vote so I don't know why you are debating this?

That is an odd thing to say, with that reasoning alone you've destroyed the education system - why learn about Hitler when we weren't alive to witness it? Why care about Henry VIII when he is long gone? Because they've all had some effect on time, history to be precise, that has effected the past and the present. Debating the EU and Local elections, though the majority can't vote, is still fine considering it has a huge effect on everyone.

Some people have an interest in it. Like people who find train drivers, astronauts, doctors and footballers interesting, though not old enough, smart enough or physically able enough to do these jobs

[-Eyeless-]

They are not a one issue party, you are throwing claims around that are not true. If you look at the Green Party website then yes that is a one issue party, whereas UKIP has its stance on many subjects, crime, immigration and so forth, a lot of which, sadly, nowadays is decided in Brussels by the European Commission.

I remember a few years ago we had to get into groups at school and we had a mock election my group used the manifesto and issue's of UKIP and I definitely remember it not being a one issue party, in fact a lot of the issue's that they concentrated on where things which other parties may turn a blind eye to. So I agree with you Undertaker that it is not a one issue party, but I have to say I wouldn't currently waste my vote on them since that vote could go towards a party with a better chance of winning and I would rather gradual progression to a better Britain rather than vote for a party without a chance of getting into power.

[-:Undertaker:-]

On the other hand, Dan that thing about MT being one of the greatest UK PM's..

She started the economies meltdown.

Margaret Thatcher did not create this meltdown, Thatcherism was never the ethics of spend what you almost definetly do not have, that was a new hyper trend which grew during the 1990's. The difference between the Thatcher government and this government was that Thatcher believed in saving money for a rainy day, whereas Labour have uncontrolled spending planbs year on year.

Most of you can't vote so I don't know why you are debating this?

Maybe because we want to; why are you commenting if you think the discussion is pointless?

I remember a few years ago we had to get into groups at school and we had a mock election my group used the manifesto and issue's of UKIP and I definitely remember it not being a one issue party, in fact a lot of the issue's that they concentrated on where things which other parties may turn a blind eye to. So I agree with you Undertaker that it is not a one issue party, but I have to say I wouldn't currently waste my vote on them since that vote could go towards a party with a better chance of winning and I would rather gradual progression to a better Britain rather than vote for a party without a chance of getting into power.

Two reasons, I think UKIP now has potential to become a bigger party especially if a Cameron government turns out to be a disaster therefore UKIP will again grow. The second reason being, if UKIP can show to the Conservatives that people want a real Conservative policy on the European Union and other policy areas, it could eventually pressure the Conservative Party to correct its internal struggle over the EU.

[-Eyeless-]

I agree if those things do happen then they do have massive potential to grow but in the next election their chances are extremely slim so it could take another 1 or possibly 2 elections for them to gain a strong foothold and then be taken more seriously.

[Ramones]

The currency before the ERM was fine, but when we joined the ERM the currency became unstable and we had to withdraw so indeed, it did save the currency from becoming void. I believe it was a terrible decision to join and the only good thing that came out of it was that it stalled european intergration.

Other nations such as Italy and Ireland also suffered on Black Wednesday and according to Wikipedia, the United Kingdom did well compared to other nations on that day.

Quote of the century.