Tories = Bad?

[Mentor]

Any political party = bad.

Make your mind up on issues and vote for who best supports those issues reguadless of party. Voteing for a party just becuse its the one you always voted for is stupid (its how bush got in for a second term afterall) o.o

[Immenseman]

now the tories control devon they beat lib dem noooooo i think bnp beat labour or summet :S lol

[ifuseekamy]

Margaret Thatcher only gave millions the chance to get their own house for her own benefit. All for money.

She set interest rates up to 15%, which no one had ever seen.\

She destroyed the unions and created the poll tax.

She is a cruel woman, and she's very against working class people. Tories are all for making money, so if you're a millionaire, vote Conservative. But if you can't spare change, don't even bother.

The ironic problem lies in the fact that working-class people will complain that Labour taxes them to give benefits to others. You can't have your cake and eat it too; unless there is a free market then every social class will be taxed to provide for the next tier down.

[Ramones]

I imagine this is your response to the fact that Conservatives tend to prefer having tax rates for everyone pretty similar rather than taking 50% of high earners' wages and letting poor people not pay nearly as much. What that essentially boils down to is people who have worked hard and gotten themselves to a position where they earn a large amount of money then have to give half of it away in order to let unemployed and lazy people have a comfortable life. Fun times

Abit of a generalisation don't you think? To be classed as unemployed you need to be actively seeking employment, there are some people that work the system and are lazy and collect their benefits, but alot fewer than people seem to think. And anyway, will having a progressive tax system or not, have an effect on the benefits for the unemployed people? i doubt it, not a significant one anyway.
You make it sound easy for 30 million people to get themselves into a position of earning over 50k just by working hard. When in reality it's blatantly not true. What about people who haven't had a great education and upbringing, manage to get an average job earning 20k a year, do they deserved to be taxed as much? I can't see much of an argument for not having a progressive tax system. But maybe i'm too much of a socialist :eusa_whis

[-:Undertaker:-]

Abit of a generalisation don't you think? To be classed as unemployed you need to be actively seeking employment, there are some people that work the system and are lazy and collect their benefits, but alot fewer than people seem to think. And anyway, will having a progressive tax system or not, have an effect on the benefits for the unemployed people? i doubt it, not a significant one anyway.
You make it sound easy for 30 million people to get themselves into a position of earning over 50k just by working hard. When in reality it's blatantly not true. What about people who haven't had a great education and upbringing, manage to get an average job earning 20k a year, do they deserved to be taxed as much? I can't see much of an argument for not having a progressive tax system. But maybe i'm too much of a socialist :eusa_whis

That is the way the world works, I can't be a doctor just because I want to, if i'm not clever enough then I can't become a doctor, very simple. Socialism has always failed and the last remains of it are failing, if socialism is so much "for the people" then why did millions in the USSR starve to death and suffer genocide at their socialist leaders, why are millions dying in North Korea at the hands of their socialist leaders compared to South Korea which is one of the best economies in the world, why did millions starve to death under Chairman Mao in the PROC? - because it does not work.

To add to the point Tom made, obviously all Labour supporters are definetly not criminals, but think about this; if you had to guess the political party most prisoners/criminals supported, do you really think they would support the Conservatives over Labour? - I don't think so.

[Hecktix]

I'm pleased you chose to vote Labour.

Your Grandfather is right, Labour are very much for the working man and the Conservative Party are very much for the rich man.

For instance, David Cameron has said he will not continue with Labour's Child Benefits act, which is going to leave a lot of families within Britain in the crap.

He's also said he isn't going to commit to the Winter Fuel Allowance for pensioners.

Labour made, in my opinion, the biggest step forward for the working class in political history by introducing the minimum wage. Just look at the weekly figures in my signature to see the effect of this initiative brought in by Labour.

Nobody can say that the Conservative Party will do a better job in Government than Labour, history would suggest that this will not be the case.

Without mentioning the Iraqi war, tell me what has been so bad about living in this country in the past twelve years, unless you are an upper class citizen earning ridiculous amounts of money, you aren't going to complain.

At the end of the day the world is in recession, however the UK ain't doing too bad in comparison to the majority of Europe and most of the US. Obama turned to Gordon Brown for advice.

Labour need to be in power as we need Gordon Brown's ecomonic skill.

My local council was taken over by the Conservatives a few years ago.. since this change I have noticed more and more pointless but expensive changes to our City, including a lot of sculptures etc costing millions of of the tax payers english pounds in comparison to free events etc for families, for instance we've always had a "Waterfront Festival" at our Marina, until last year the Council said they couldn't afford it.

People say Gordon Brown isn't a good Prime Minister, well look how well he's dealt with the crap thrown at him this week.

I say if he doesn't crack under the pressure, he'll take Labour through to May 2010, hold an election and walk it.

Britain needs Labour.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm pleased you chose to vote Labour.

Your Grandfather is right, Labour are very much for the working man and the Conservative Party are very much for the rich man.

For instance, David Cameron has said he will not continue with Labour's Child Benefits act, which is going to leave a lot of families within Britain in the crap.

He's also said he isn't going to commit to the Winter Fuel Allowance for pensioners.

Labour made, in my opinion, the biggest step forward for the working class in political history by introducing the minimum wage. Just look at the weekly figures in my signature to see the effect of this initiative brought in by Labour.

Nobody can say that the Conservative Party will do a better job in Government than Labour, history would suggest that this will not be the case.

Without mentioning the Iraqi war, tell me what has been so bad about living in this country in the past twelve years, unless you are an upper class citizen earning ridiculous amounts of money, you aren't going to complain.

At the end of the day the world is in recession, however the UK ain't doing too bad in comparison to the majority of Europe and most of the US. Obama turned to Gordon Brown for advice.

Labour need to be in power as we need Gordon Brown's ecomonic skill.

My local council was taken over by the Conservatives a few years ago.. since this change I have noticed more and more pointless but expensive changes to our City, including a lot of sculptures etc costing millions of of the tax payers english pounds in comparison to free events etc for families, for instance we've always had a "Waterfront Festival" at our Marina, until last year the Council said they couldn't afford it.

People say Gordon Brown isn't a good Prime Minister, well look how well he's dealt with the crap thrown at him this week.

I say if he doesn't crack under the pressure, he'll take Labour through to May 2010, hold an election and walk it.

Britain needs Labour.

Anyone can spend money they do not have, but at the end of the day it will have to be paid off at some point.

History shows James Callahgans' government crippled by unions, socialism on the rise, the military preparing to stage a coup because it got so bad, the country having to go cap in hand to the IMF, the winter of discontent in which dead bodies rotted in the morgues, garbage was piled high on the streets, business left the country in droves - the country was near COLLAPSE.

History then shows the election of Margaret Thatcher which sorted out the far too powerful unions, the collapse of socialism in the United Kingdom, the end of post-war decline, Britain out of debt, people becoming wealthier of all backgrounds, the closure of industry which was losing the country vast sums of money - the country recovered as one of the BEST economies in the world.

If Labour are so against tory policies such as council housing being offered cheaply to tennants & the privatisation of services and business then why have they not reversed these changes?

[Hecktix]

Anyone can spend money they do not have, but at the end of the day it will have to be paid off at some point.

History shows James Callahgans' government crippled by unions, socialism on the rise, the military preparing to stage a coup because it got so bad, the country having to go cap in hand to the IMF, the winter of discontent in which dead bodies rotted in the morgues, garbage was piled high on the streets, business left the country in droves - the country was near COLLAPSE.

History then shows the election of Margaret Thatcher which sorted out the far too powerful unions, the collapse of socialism in the United Kingdom, the end of post-war decline, Britain out of debt, people becoming wealthier of all backgrounds, the closure of industry which was losing the country vast sums of money - the country recovered as one of the BEST economies in the world.

If Labour are so against tory policies such as council housing being offered cheaply to tennants & the privatisation of services and business then why have they not reversed these changes?

Labour are for the people.
Some of the policies implemented by the Conservatives were liked by the people... therefore why would Labour change these?

At the end of the day, without mentioning Iraq tell me what has been bad about living in this country for the past 12 years?

So come on then, what about the current affairs you know the little thing that may be called the worldwide recession... which country is dealing with it well? Oh sorry, would that be Britain? Oh.. and which political party is in charge during this? Who happens to be leading Britain through a time when the entire world is facing economic disaster whilst Britain really hasn't suffered too bad.

Tell me Cameron & cronies would have done it better?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Labour are for the people.
Some of the policies implemented by the Conservatives were liked by the people... therefore why would Labour change these?

At the end of the day, without mentioning Iraq tell me what has been bad about living in this country for the past 12 years?

So come on then, what about the current affairs you know the little thing that may be called the worldwide recession... which country is dealing with it well? Oh sorry, would that be Britain? Oh.. and which political party is in charge during this? Who happens to be leading Britain through a time when the entire world is facing economic disaster whilst Britain really hasn't suffered too bad.

Tell me Cameron & cronies would have done it better?

How are socialists and Labour for the people when you look at 70s Britain, North Korea, the USSR and the PROC under Chairman Mao?

In the words of Margaret Thatcher, would you rather the poor be poorer?

In the past 12 years;

Labour have surrended more powers to the European Union.
Labour have mounted up a debt for our country into billions/trillions.
Labour refuse to cut spending despite large debt levels.
Labour have discouraged business with EU rules and regulations being imposed.
Labour have no control over our immigration despite what they say.
Labour and Gordon Brown continue to give away billions of taxpayers money to countries such as Pakistan, India and China despite our country being in large levels of debt.
Labour has raided pension funds making them even more unstable.
Labour sold a vast sum of our gold stocks while the gold was at a 25 year low.
Labour has refused to peel back the Thatcher reforms they so hated yet still claim Margaret Thatcher was for just the rich.
Labour has introduced a CCTV type state which many former Soviet citzens have claimed is worse than that of what the USSR was.
Labour has increased tax year by year, taxing the families of this country to the hilt.
Labour has lost control of the criminal justice system, with murderers being released after 10 years or even lower.
Labour has failed to build more prisons meaning dangerous criminals are being let out on our streets because there is no space left.
Labour has introduced political correctness to pathetic levels.
Labour has favoured the criminals rather than the victims in crime.
Labour has nationalied the banks yet the banks are still refusing to lend our money to our businesses.

[jam666]

I've said this countless times before and i respect other peoples view however in this case im afraid i cant.

We have suffered since 1997 under the rule of a Labour government so after all this time howcome there is still a minority of people not wanting a change?

The Conservatives are NOT for rich middle class people, they are for EVERYONE so please dont start saying labour is for the working class and the Conservatives are for the middle class as this argument has no basis. You might say about the introduction of the minimum wage, whilst a fair argument in reality the minimum wage is NOT enough to live on and it actually encourages people to NOT work as they they feel they will be better off on it. Whilst true, if taxes were not so high, people would be encouraged to work.

What other things have Labour done for the country? lets see....

Who is the man who sold all of our gold reserves whilst gold prices were at a record low?

Which chancellor continues to raise taxes every annual budget?

Which party makes funds available for councils to knock down and rebuild perfectly decent houses for them to get wrecked again in a matter of years?

Which party will not keep promises such as a referendum on the EU?

Which party has left this country with one of the worst debt records in the history of the UK?

Which party had the sense to spend spend spend when the times were good and not save one single penny?

Which party is more lenient on crime and immigration as current estimates are way off as there is simply far too many immigrants who have no purpose being in the UK? (im all for people who come here for protection or work etc but not illegal immigrants)

Which party wants to cut A&E and maternity services?

Which party burdens businesses with Corporate taxes and lacks enterprise leadership in government?

I could go on and on.... but i dont see how many more points need to be discussed about as to why Labour is BAD for our country.

This is why i vote Conservative.