Tories = Bad?

[Hecktix]

What other things have Labour done for the country? lets see....

Who is the man who sold all of our gold reserves whilst gold prices were at a record low?

Everyone makes mistakes, I'm sure Mr Brown regrets this.

Which chancellor continues to raise taxes every annual budget?

Inflation effects tax too, any Government would do this.

Which party makes funds available for councils to knock down and rebuild perfectly decent houses for them to get wrecked again in a matter of years?

There are no Labour councils within the UK.
If the Conservative Councils choose to do this... so be it.

Which party will not keep promises such as a referendum on the EU?

Who knows more about how to run a country.. the Government, or the people? I believe the Government think it is beneficial for this country to be in the EU, don't see the tories screaming get out of the EU??

Which party has left this country with one of the worst debt records in the history of the UK?

One of the worst yes. Another of the worst came in 1990 under Conservative rule, 1 - 1 if you ask me.

Which party had the sense to spend spend spend when the times were good and not save one single penny?

What do you mean by this?

Which party is more lenient on crime and immigration as current estimates are way off as there is simply far too many immigrants who have no purpose being in the UK? (im all for people who come here for protection or work etc but not illegal immigrants)

Pretty sure the Government ain't fully supportive of illegal immigrants either, hence them being illegal and they are doing everything they can to remove these immigrants. However there are more pressing services to pay for rather than the immigration service. We have enough space to keep them here for now, they get deported eventually or they'll obtain citizenship and get a job? Most of the illegal immigrants want to work anyway they just have to manage to obtain citizenship.

Which party wants to cut A&E and maternity services?

Which party has strong feelings against free healthcare?

Which party burdens businesses with Corporate taxes and lacks enterprise leadership in government?

How can you say that Labour lack enterprise leadership...

I could go on and on.... but i dont see how many more points need to be discussed about as to why Labour is BAD for our country.

This is why i vote Conservative.

How would the Conservatives have gone about dealing with the recession...

[jam666]

Everyone makes mistakes, I'm sure Mr Brown regrets this.

Im sure everyone does but it was a highly irresponsible and irrational decision to make.

Inflation effects tax too, any Government would do this.

Whilst true, No government would continue to waste money that could help reduce taxes by the form of indentity cards for example.

There are no Labour councils within the UK.
If the Conservative Councils choose to do this... so be it.

I did not say that there was any Labour councils in the UK but isnt it a wonder why not? i simply stated that the government (labour party) makes funds available and widely encourages new housing even if it mean demolishing exisitng properties which are perfectly fine. Yet another waste of money.

Who knows more about how to run a country.. the Government, or the people? I believe the Government think it is beneficial for this country to be in the EU, don't see the tories screaming get out of the EU??

This is a funny issue. Firstly, we are in a democracy not a government so surely the people have a right to voice their opinion? secondly the tories have agreed to hold a referendum if they get elected before the lisbon treaty is signed which is one of the only reasons why gordon brown wont stand down as he wants to sign this silly little treaty.

One of the worst yes. Another of the worst came in 1990 under Conservative rule, 1 - 1 if you ask me.

The conservatives left government with one of the best debt records this country has ever seen.

What do you mean by this?

A large proportion of other countries chose to save money during the economic good times for example Austrailia. However what did we do? continue to spend. We didnt even save one single penny.

Pretty sure the Government ain't fully supportive of illegal immigrants either, hence them being illegal and they are doing everything they can to remove these immigrants. However there are more pressing services to pay for rather than the immigration service. We have enough space to keep them here for now, they get deported eventually or they'll obtain citizenship and get a job? Most of the illegal immigrants want to work anyway they just have to manage to obtain citizenship.

I cant think of anything more important than to sort out illegal immigrants as they are a drain on our resources. They take our benefits our housing and our jobs.

Which party has strong feelings against free healthcare?

Definately not The Conservatives. Here are some of their policys regarding the NHS.

• We will always provide the funding the NHS needs and are committed to real increases in health spending
• We will scrap Labour’s plans to cut A&E and maternity services, which are not supported by evidence that patient access and care will be improved, so that patients have access to high-quality services at their local hospital
• We will protect family doctor services by opposing Labour’s plans to impose impersonal "polyclinics" at the expense of local GP surgeries
• We will make money available for 45,000 more single rooms in the NHS over five years, almost doubling their current number. This will mean every patient going into hospital for planned care can have a single room if they want one
• We will reform the way drugs are priced so that all new treatments that are clinically effective are made available, ending the situation whereby cancer drugs that are routinely available in the rest of Europe and not provided in this country

How can you say that Labour lack enterprise leadership...

It goes to show that they lack enterprise leadership when they have to bring in Alan Sugar to help.

In regards to how the Conservatives would of went on about the recession, they certainly would not continue to spend massive amounts of money the country doesnt have. Current estimates suggests that it could take up to 2030 for the debt to be paid off. However what has labour done? set targets for spending HUGE amounts of money the country just doesnt have. If things continue we will have to go begging on our knees asking for money which no one would want to see.

[Lysine]

BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY The Best way forward

[jam666]

BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY The Best way forward

Definately Not.

Im 100% sure that you and everyone else in this country would not want to be lead under a racist, incriminating, manipulative and lying dictatorship as that is what the situation would be if they ever got into power. (which they will not as they dont even hold a seat as an MP)

BNP love to lie to try and persuade people to vote for them. Infact just the other week an image that they used to advertise "British Jobs for British People" didnt even include british people on the image. Instead they were people from Portland, Oregon USA as the BNP had stolen their images without their consent meaning that a law suit could be filed against the BNP. Some of the people involved stated that the BNP makes them feel "sick" as they have had their images shamefully advertised for an irresponsible cause.

As well as this, the BNP are mainly a one issue party and that lies with Immigration. They are highly racist, even though the majority of them denie this, a large proportion of people believe this to be true.

Everything about the BNP is very un-professional. I remember a few days ago i was watching a party election broadcast and this time it just so happened to be for the BNP. I could not stop laughing. Shoddy camera work, un-clear voices and just boring general chitter-chatter. Its not what I would expect a party who wanted to be elected would do.

[FlyingJesus]

Abit of a generalisation don't you think? To be classed as unemployed you need to be actively seeking employment, there are some people that work the system and are lazy and collect their benefits, but alot fewer than people seem to think. And anyway, will having a progressive tax system or not, have an effect on the benefits for the unemployed people? i doubt it, not a significant one anyway.
You make it sound easy for 30 million people to get themselves into a position of earning over 50k just by working hard. When in reality it's blatantly not true. What about people who haven't had a great education and upbringing, manage to get an average job earning 20k a year, do they deserved to be taxed as much? I can't see much of an argument for not having a progressive tax system. But maybe i'm too much of a socialist :eusa_whis

I didn't generalise, tax money does go to unemployed people. It may go elsewhere too, but it definitely does go to the unemployed and it's clear just by looking around that a lot of people cheat and abuse the benefits system. I don't by any means believe that it's easy to earn over 50k, I don't think either of my parents earn that much (definitely not my mother, my father might be close but not sure) but yes I'd say that whether you earn 10k or 100k you should be taxed the same - that isn't to say you lose the same figure, it means you pay the same proportion of your pay packet. If you can't see that punishing people for doing well for themselves is a bad thing then I'm not sure what moral or economic grounding you have for this.

Your Grandfather is right, Labour are very much for the working man and the Conservative Party are very much for the rich man.

Not true. Labour may put more emphasis on helping the working class but this just means they aren't helping the whole country - reverse classism if you will.

Nobody can say that the Conservative Party will do a better job in Government than Labour, history would suggest that this will not be the case.

Not true. Historically we have had a Conservative government for the majority of the time that government has existed. It only seems otherwise to us because from 1997 onwards we've had a Labour government and I don't imagine many of us will have had much political knowledge or memory before '97.

I don't support the Conservative party as such but I am in theory a conservative libertarian (look up Robert Nozick for much of those beliefs if you want) so to say that a conservative view only works for the rich is certainly in my eyes very wrong.

[Ramones]

I cant think of anything more important than to sort out illegal immigrants as they are a drain on our resources. They take our benefits our housing and our jobs.

Wow you sound like you should be supporting bnp with that kinda attitude. What about the immigrant doctors and nurses? the cleaners and people with crappy jobs we don't want to do? the entrepreneurs that invest in our country? They're hardly a drain on our resources are they?

I believe our economy would be an epic failure (alot worse than it has been over the past 15 years) without the immigration we've experienced. They take our houses? Since when have we had a mass shortage of houses, if anything they've helped keep the market healthy pushing up prices, aswell as pushing up wages especially in cities.
The percentage of immigrants claiming benefits as a proportion to UK citizens claiming benefits is very small. Immigrants contribute so much more to our economy than they do drain it.

[FlyingJesus]

You're confusing honest immigration with illegal immigrants. Don't do that.

[jam666]

Wow you sound like you should be supporting bnp with that kinda attitude. What about the immigrant doctors and nurses? the cleaners and people with crappy jobs we don't want to do? the entrepreneurs that invest in our country? They're hardly a drain on our resources are they?

I believe our economy would be an epic failure (alot worse than it has been over the past 15 years) without the immigration we've experienced. They take our houses? Since when have we had a mass shortage of houses, if anything they've helped keep the market healthy pushing up prices, aswell as pushing up wages especially in cities.
The percentage of immigrants claiming benefits as a proportion to UK citizens claiming benefits is very small. Immigrants contribute so much more to our economy than they do drain it.

I am in no way, shape or form supportive of the BNP if you read further up the thread you will of seen my statement on the BNP and ILLEGAL immigration. I am entirely for people who come here to work and contribute to the economy just not those who come here and do nothing at all to contribute except take houses and benefits.

How can you say we are not in a housing shortage? The UK is over populated at this moment in time as we are one of the most densely populated countrys in europe. Plus please explain to me the 3 million people waiting for a council house?

[Technologic]

When the working class starts voting tory then labour really have have gone wrong somewhere.

[jam666]

When the working class starts voting tory then labour really have have gone wrong somewhere.

Indeed, Labour has obviously being wrecking this country since they first came into power in 1997. However The conservatives are not just for rich middle class citizens so please dont assume this as they are indeed for EVERYONE.