President Blair

[Frodo13.]

I certainly do trust David Cameron more than the man who sold gold stocks when they were at a twenty five year low causing this country to lose billions upon billions.

Yes, in a similar way that Labour had to clear up after the mess of Majors government.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes, in a similar way that Labour had to clear up after the mess of Majors government.

Labour did not clear any mess from Majors government, under Major pension funds were safe and Brown has raided all pension funds, infact in Liverpool some army veterans had a stall asking people to sign because the government has ruined their pension funds, I asked the man about it and he told me it was Brown who raided their funds.

Labour entered office with one of the best economic records left behind by any government, its widely acknowledged, hence why Labour have been able to afford (in short term) an extensive spending program.

[Frodo13.]

Labour did not clear any mess from Majors government, under Major pension funds were safe and Brown has raided all pension funds, infact in Liverpool some army veterans had a stall asking people to sign because the government has ruined their pension funds, I asked the man about it and he told me it was Brown who raided their funds.

Labour entered office with one of the best economic records left behind by any government, its widely acknowledged, hence why Labour have been able to afford (in short term) an extensive spending program.

Are you thick? Labour entered government at the tail end of recession, due to the poor care the economy got under Major. You've just lied to the entire forum.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Are you thick? Labour entered government at the tail end of recession, due to the poor care the economy got under Major. You've just lied to the entire forum.

I not lied because unlike Labour the Conservatives have historically kept money aside and had smaller spending plans, that is one of the main attacks on the Conservatives that is used in political shows by Labour MPs. I hear this stated many times in programmes like Question Time and the Labour MPs never deny the fact that when Major left office Labour inherited one of the best economies any government had ever inherited.

As simple maths goes, if Labour did inherit a awful economy as you are putting it, with bad debts, then they wouldn't of been able to carry out their spending plans they have over the past decade.

Labour try to pass of the boom in the 2000's and late 1990's as their own, when it is not. It is all the child of the Thatcher government and the next boom will also be due to the Thatcher government. The mistake Lbaour has made, awful at that, is not keep cash for a rainy day, along with owning the banks yet not forcing the banks to lend out money to struggling business, while refusing to cut spending as debt spirals out of control.

[alexxxxx]

I not lied because unlike Labour the Conservatives have historically kept money aside and had smaller spending plans, that is one of the main attacks on the Conservatives that is used in political shows by Labour MPs. I hear this stated many times in programmes like Question Time and the Labour MPs never deny the fact that when Major left office Labour inherited one of the best economies any government had ever inherited.

As simple maths goes, if Labour did inherit a awful economy as you are putting it, with bad debts, then they wouldn't of been able to carry out their spending plans they have over the past decade.

Labour try to pass of the boom in the 2000's and late 1990's as their own, when it is not. It is all the child of the Thatcher government and the next boom will also be due to the Thatcher government. The mistake Lbaour has made, awful at that, is not keep cash for a rainy day, along with owning the banks yet not forcing the banks to lend out money to struggling business, while refusing to cut spending as debt spirals out of control.

You haven't a clue. Look at this article from the times (right wing paper):

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle5811186.ece

you'll find that until the downturn, overall, debt levels had fallen since the Major government.

and also:

The prices have only hiked up in the past decade or so because this government has not has the guts nor the balls to stand up to these companies, they have allowed mergers of these companies and foreign takeovers which has given these companies yet more power to push prices up. If they were re-nationalised it would start the same cycle off again which led us to the stage that was the 1970s and the winter of discontent, the government cannnot and should not manage these companies as proven time and time again, this government cannot even have its ministers hide top secret terrorist documents while walking around in Downing Street, let alone manage a sweet shop and a major company is out of the question. Indeed they may be the oldest in the European Union, but considering we pay one of the largest donations/tax to the European Union to pay for other countrys to have their roads/railways and so on built/fixed while our own infastructure is falling apart is yet another reason why the European Union is holding this country back.

Pribatisation just leads to governement-sponsered monopolies that instead of compete against each other just hike up prices. Instead of being accountable to the people they are just accountable to their shatre holders.

You contradict yourself so much. So say that we shouldn't fund the railways because not everyone uses them so why should they pay for them, yet you say that the EU is somehow at fault for our failing railway system... Surely you'd be of the opinion that it is up to private companies to sort it out? >_> Or is it just another dig at the EU? The EU doesn't hold us back at all. Infact, thanks to the EU Regional fund, my town has a new market square, art galleries and scientific research centre. If it was up to the tories, this probably wouldn't have happened at all.

[Janet Snakehole]

rofl the thought of president blair is crackin es up
just no.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You haven't a clue. Look at this article from the times (right wing paper):

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle5811186.ece

you'll find that until the downturn, overall, debt levels had fallen since the Major government.

and also:


Pribatisation just leads to governement-sponsered monopolies that instead of compete against each other just hike up prices. Instead of being accountable to the people they are just accountable to their shatre holders.

You contradict yourself so much. So say that we shouldn't fund the railways because not everyone uses them so why should they pay for them, yet you say that the EU is somehow at fault for our failing railway system... Surely you'd be of the opinion that it is up to private companies to sort it out? >_> Or is it just another dig at the EU? The EU doesn't hold us back at all. Infact, thanks to the EU Regional fund, my town has a new market square, art galleries and scientific research centre. If it was up to the tories, this probably wouldn't have happened at all.

The media, BBC included have all said that debt now is its worst since the levels obtained by World War II. The economics simply dont add up, Labour would simply not have been able to have had them spending programs they introduced when in 1997 if the economy was in a state, they simply would not. Whilst in the earlier years the Major government had severe economic problems, by the end of their term in office the economy was in very good shape which Labour took advantage of, embarking on a reckless spending spree which has left us like a sitting duck as the recession this time around hit us. Gordon Brown himself (oh so great economist) stated that he abolished boom and bust, how very wrong he was and how very stupid he was to of said that, boom and bust is needed for a capitalist economy to work but that still gives Labour no excuse for their lack of preparation. According to this website debt levels are now at 52.0% of GDP and that was in 2008, god knows what they are like now.

It has under this government, they allowed all these merges, they allowed these companies to dominate and control market prices. Who merged all the banks and created a superbank which could damage market competitivness? - Labour did.

You have it wrong, I was using it because you are pro-EU, so you complain about our railways faling apart yet you support the United Kingdom giving the European Union billions every year so they can repair/upgrade their infastructure? - that is contradictary. As I have said before, you say the European Union has given us all these projects, yet where is the sense in giving the EU say for example, 20 billion and only getting 10 billion back?; it - does - not - make - sense.

rofl the thought of president blair is crackin es up
just no.

Indeed, Tony Blairs ego has always been too big for him, next he'll be after Supreme ruler of the Universe and the sad thing is, this time we won't be able to stop him getting into this European Union post, despite the fact we will be paying his salary along with his nice fat pension.

[alexxxxx]

The media, BBC included have all said that debt now is its worst since the levels obtained by World War II. The economics simply dont add up, Labour would simply not have been able to have had them spending programs they introduced when in 1997 if the economy was in a state, they simply would not. Whilst in the earlier years the Major government had severe economic problems, by the end of their term in office the economy was in very good shape which Labour took advantage of, embarking on a reckless spending spree which has left us like a sitting duck as the recession this time around hit us. Gordon Brown himself (oh so great economist) stated that he abolished boom and bust, how very wrong he was and how very stupid he was to of said that, boom and bust is needed for a capitalist economy to work but that still gives Labour no excuse for their lack of preparation. According to this website debt levels are now at 52.0% of GDP and that was in 2008, god knows what they are like now.

It has under this government, they allowed all these merges, they allowed these companies to dominate and control market prices. Who merged all the banks and created a superbank which could damage market competitivness? - Labour did.

You have it wrong, I was using it because you are pro-EU, so you complain about our railways faling apart yet you support the United Kingdom giving the European Union billions every year so they can repair/upgrade their infastructure? - that is contradictary. As I have said before, you say the European Union has given us all these projects, yet where is the sense in giving the EU say for example, 20 billion and only getting 10 billion back?; it - does - not - make - sense.

Where on that page does it say debt levels are now 52%? You've just made that up! You ignore these facts and just come up with your own conclusions made from your own warped reality. I'm sure public debt is very high because of bank bailouts, but actually, if you see, our economy is holding up much better than other western economies. I can't actually find details on bank mergers, but because you've used it in an argument i'm sure you'd be willing to back that up, no?

In my opinion, the EU's reluctance to put money into our rail system could be because there aren't any public-run rail services. We ARE the European Union. We ARE the EU. It's the old nationalistic view of Europe. We net contribute unfortunately because our government won't get involved in the EU as much as they should, not enough public pressure to bring our contributions down or to fight for more funding of these projects. Our membership of the EU does make sense, come 20 years and the UK will just be a novelty as the USA, Brazil, China, India, Japan and the EU take place as being the big economic players.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Where on that page does it say debt levels are now 52%? You've just made that up! You ignore these facts and just come up with your own conclusions made from your own warped reality. I'm sure public debt is very high because of bank bailouts, but actually, if you see, our economy is holding up much better than other western economies. I can't actually find details on bank mergers, but because you've used it in an argument i'm sure you'd be willing to back that up, no?

In my opinion, the EU's reluctance to put money into our rail system could be because there aren't any public-run rail services. We ARE the European Union. We ARE the EU. It's the old nationalistic view of Europe. We net contribute unfortunately because our government won't get involved in the EU as much as they should, not enough public pressure to bring our contributions down or to fight for more funding of these projects. Our membership of the EU does make sense, come 20 years and the UK will just be a novelty as the USA, Brazil, China, India, Japan and the EU take place as being the big economic players.

Here we go; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8160614.stm

Government debt is the highest it has ever been since records began in 1974. What would you like me to prove, you should know Labour merged the banks and nationalised them some months ago, and the Conservatives are now willing to break these banks up when they gain office shortly.

Our government has the power to fight for funding, however it chose to give away the rebate Margaret Thatcher secured us and that tells us everything we need to know, this government and even Conservatives governments at times are under the thumb of the European Union.

There was never a nationalistic view of Europe and there still isn't, Europe in a continent and not a country and the closest it ever came to being a country was destroyed by the Allies when they bashed the Third Reich to back where it came from. You make it out that everyones dying to have this European Union superstate declared, well why will they not give us a referendum then?

In the 1980s many predicted that the fast growing economy of Japan would overtake that of the United States and Japan would become the new superpower of the world, that did not happen. Using tactics such as "we're going to be pushed out/crushed by the major powers" is absolute rubbish.

[Niall!]

Good, the Pokemon issue seems to of silenced you yet again.

Silenced me? About what? I don't give two ***** about politics, I only post what I think. If you think I'm ashamed of playing Pokemon, think again, **** is awesome.