Being born Gay

[NIKKEE]

But they wasn't? They've never been straight - they've pretended!

Yes they pretended, still were doing straight things. So they were straight.
Look this is just how I would see things, I don't know why I had to be completely argued with.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes they pretended, still were doing straight things. So they were straight.
Look this is just how I would see things, I don't know why I had to be completely argued with.

Yes, so they were gay but in denial.

We are not arguing with you, only discussing it and afterall, we are on a forum.

[NIKKEE]

Yes, so they were gay but in denial.

We are not arguing with you, only discussing it and afterall, we are on a forum.

Yes but my entire point has never even been if people are in denial or not. I was just saying, and I feel I've written this sentence one million times, I would still call them straight. And if they were living a gay lifestyle even if they were choosing to, I'd call them gay. It doesn't matter if they were in denial or choosing.
And my very, very original point was that, once again, it's to do with how you're brought up. Just to ensure we don't stray...

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes but my entire point has never even been if people are in denial or not. I was just saying, and I feel I've written this sentence one million times, I would still call them straight. And if they were living a gay lifestyle even if they were choosing to, I'd call them gay. It doesn't matter if they were in denial or choosing.
And my very, very original point was that, once again, it's to do with how you're brought up. Just to ensure we don't stray...

That is connected though, we have given examples of how it isn't a choice and how it is down to genes - hence why it not being a choice just like some people are born with blue eyes and some are born with brown eyes.

[NIKKEE]

I read through the thread and have seen no proper evidence it's down to genes, other than that you said that people make decisions based on who they are, who you are effects your environment. So you could say my cousin who is gay chose to have all female friends because he subconsciously knew from a young age he was gay, and not the fact that due to being around so many females and that was his environment it resulted in him being gay. So you see it the first way, but I'm sorry, I see it the second way. I can't see how it's genes, no one in our family but him is gay, there are just my views and those are yours.

[FlyingJesus]

No you cannot, a gay guy cannot sexually be attracted to a girl, hence why is he gay.

You only said that one can't choose whom one is attracted to, which to a degree is entirely possible, that singular point was not restricted to the homosexuality debate

No but the point is and that we are making, is that they are not gay because you cannot choose to be gay - therefore they are fake, they are not gay.

..just like I cannot choose to have blue eyes, ginger hair or be a few inches taller.

It's not like choosing eye or hair colour though, as those as very much physical traits. You cannot in any way compare personality and mental traits to the physical aspects of a person. Those less tangible parts of us are very much open to tweaking and influencing, whereas no matter how often someone tells you to have bright red eyes it's not likely to happen

If they are not attracted to other guys then they are not gay. I have already given examples of men and women who have had families, lived the lie and then came out as gay because thats what they truly were and always will be.

My friend's mum was married for years and years, had 3 kids, and only a couple of years after her divorce did she come out as a lesbian. Now mayhap she was confused and all that at first but she (being an extremely extroverted person) wouldn't have consciously blocked her sexuality, especially for such a great amount of time. You can in no possible way prove that she was "always" and "truly" gay

[Hellspencer]

people are not born gay!

[Kyle]

people are not born gay!

I concur

[Janet Snakehole]

yeah, i really think the environment surrounding you kinda helps determine your sexuality. i mean nobody in my family (as far back as i know) has been gay apart from myself. i live in blackpool hahaha, we're all pretty gay here!

[ifuseekamy]

Yes they pretended, still were doing straight things. So they were straight.
Look this is just how I would see things, I don't know why I had to be completely argued with.

Because being gay and acting stereotypically gay are two different things. What you're describing is a closet case.