Being born Gay

[RandomManJay]

I say born straight because we're born to reproduce. Meaning of life (well, you know). Homosexuality blatantly defies that. My understanding of the human brain is vastly greater than my understanding of animal brains, sorry.

Our behavior is capable of change. People change. You've never seen the links between people being raised in a crappy environment turning out.. less advantages than those in a good environment? I also don't think there's been a proven link between genes and homosexuality.

I'm not saying "watch girl shows and you'll turn gay", but I'm most certainly not saying "once your born, your sexual taste is predetermined". Being gay seems to be a current trend. Compare the amount of open gays now, to 10 years ago, to 50, to 100, to 500. Yes, closet gayness is a factor. But it seems so many more are gay now.

We are still animals, and of course we were created to reproduce, but the need to create offspring isn't active anymore, we choose when and whether to have children, our instincts don't drive us to do it otherwise every year we would all gather to mate and have our offspring 9 months later. This ability to suppress out basic insticts is a part of our evolution, creation of stable language, social complexes and overall intelligence, this is what sets us aside from all other animals as they have not reached this level in their evolution to suppress the very instincts which have given us the choice to mate.

I never suggested for a minute that genes has anything to do with homosexuality (read my first post), I do agree that society can influence homosexuality, but not in the way that is thought to be, our sexual triggers are in built within us during our development into an unborn baby while our sexual drive isn't active. The premise that everyone is born heterosexual is simply taken from years and years of homosexuality being considered being a choice considering heterosexuals didn't choose to become homosexuals, so the choice becomes whether to be heterosexual naturally or choose to homosexual to defy the norm and be different, not the choosing of being one or another or either or both. No one knows what they are going to be sexually aroused by until they reach the age that they are capable of become sexually aroused, so essentially your sexuality is always there, just not present until you can get sexually aroused. We do not choose our triggers, our minds would be unable to choose them at the age puberty begins, even as an adult we would be unable to choose them as they are the very foundation of what actives our suppressed sexual drive.

I'll just say a couple of things which have influenced the increase in people coming out:

- As you say it, it is a current trend.
- Homosexuality is now more accepted than it was 40 years ago when it was legalised, there are still many people who refuse to come out because of the fear that is still present in society.
- Technoligical influence, this is basically the same but to a degree different. You can be anyone you want on the internet, even your true self, if people who don't even know you accept you, then it makes you more confident with those you do know you and you are more comfortable about coming out.

It is true that homosexuality is a trend of the modern age, but 20 years ago it was even more popular, and even then the amount of people who have came out has increased even while the trend has died down almost entirely. You can't simply that we choose our sexuality, otherwise a lot of homosexuals would change, and many have tried, but in the end it doesn't work, either its through the nurture arguement, which puts the blame on anyone else but you, the choice arguement which puts all the blame on you, or your biological development during pregnancy which puts the blame on no one. These arguements are still out, but whats difficult is deciding whats simply assumption to what is logically plausable.

No one knows the true origins of our sexuality, but puttng that you have chosen to be attracted to women only compells me to ask you to test out your theory, try to be sexual attracted to men, just once, make that choice and see if it works, if you can do that, then obviously you can go back to women in a snap, I can tell you, I've known people who have tried in both sexualities, but in the end have failed.

[UKIP]

Bullcrap sexuality is in your genes. You think if your father is homosexual, you will be too? Or is it random chance? If it's random chance, it's not really a genetics thing.

No, however, I wouldn't consider homosexuality a disability either.

How the hell would you know? I also chose to experiment with males at a certain age. Through choice.

I did what I felt was natural, that's like females. Through upbringing, I felt it was natural. If I was surrounded by gay people, I possibly would've been more prone to being gay. It's easy to throw someone elses arguement out in favour of your own?

"I think this", "NO YOU DONT YOUR WRONG". Ignorant. Yes, gay people get treated differently, usually negatively. It's unfortunate, but fact of society. Do you choose to eat because of your bowel movements, or because you like the food?

Ohh my god.

You think if your father is homosexual, you will be too?
- Have gay guys all sprouted wombs because i'm pretty sure to have kids you need to be straight, of course their are exceptions which i'll get onto now.

If it's random chance, it's not really a genetics thing.
- Genetics are random, like the random fact that you could have brown eyes or blue eyes, could be hairy or not hairy, could have darker skin or lighter skin.

Do you choose to eat because of your bowel movements, or because you like the food?
- We like food because as clever species we can make that choice, however its instinct to eat otherwise we wouldn't do it, just like its instinct to be attracted to girls or guys - all of which is influenced by genes.

[Hazza]

Then why the hell are they gay? God that's stupid.

Are you that stupid that you think you can turn around and go "Right, I'm straight now!" - If you are then god help you. :rolleyes:

[Heinous]

Ohh my god.

You think if your father is homosexual, you will be too?
- Have gay guys all sprouted wombs because i'm pretty sure to have kids you need to be straight, of course their are exceptions which i'll get onto now.

If it's random chance, it's not really a genetics thing.
- Genetics are random, like the random fact that you could have brown eyes or blue eyes, could be hairy or not hairy, could have darker skin or lighter skin.

Do you choose to eat because of your bowel movements, or because you like the food?
- We like food because as clever species we can make that choice, however its instinct to eat otherwise we wouldn't do it, just like its instinct to be attracted to girls or guys - all of which is influenced by genes.

No because your theory of being "born gay" would mean that in the past, there's been gays who for whatever reason, "acted straight". Which can very well lead to children. My point stands though.

Hmm, no they aren't. If your parents both have hazel eyes, VERY likely you will too. People who have heart complications in their family? More prone to it. If two black people have a child, the baby is going to be black. So don't be so stupid as to say genetics are random.

Yes, but my comparison was food = sexuality, bowel movements = 'negative' side effects for gays, and eating out of instinct = reproducing out of instinct. WHY WOULD SOMEONE CHOOSE TO BE GAY BECAUSE OF ALL THE PREJUDICE?

Are you that stupid that you think you can turn around and go "Right, I'm straight now!" - If you are then god help you. :rolleyes:

Oh, you're Christian?

You're really so gutless that you think that because you like a certain gender, it was pre-determined at birth/conception, and you will forever like that gender, because you have absolutely no control over your mind or body?

[Black_Apalachi]

In psychology we were taught that it's to do with how you were brought up and nothing to do with being born either 'gay' or 'straight'

We weren't taught a definitive answer one way or the other though? It's all part of the nature/nurture debate and there's support and criticisms of each.

Weren't you taught about that Brian/Brenda fella? When he was born, he needed some sort of laser surgery or something on his penis but the doctor somehow accidentally removed (most of) his penis. Anyway, his mother decided to then bring him up as a girl (don't ask me why lol ). So she changed his name from Brian to Brenda and bought him girl's toys and clothes. However he never fitted in with anyone and once he grew up he chose to change back to Brian and live like a man and eventually got married to a woman.

So this supports the nature debate as even though this guy was brought up as a girl from practically birth, his own feelings and instincts led him to go back to living as a male and being attracted to females.

On the other hand, there was a guy in my year at school (who was a bit weird tbf) but although he'd never had a girlfriend, he was seemingly straight. It got to sixth form, and he asked a couple of different girls out (apparently he was really needy about it, like 'pleeeaseeee' :rolleyes but later on after no success, he suddenly claimed to be "bi". Then eventually he announced he was gay and now whenever I see him he's always reminding people of how he's "gay". Every so often on Facebook I see he has some random "boyfriend" but they just look as weird has he does really.

I think in this case, he has clearly chosen but then again, I think it's a bit of an unlikely case anyway as it seems he just turned to another solution to being rejected all the time. So although very weakly, this supports the nurture side as his "decision" was affected by his environment and personal experiences.

By the way, do any gay people notice that with other gay people where they always seem to have to remind people that they are gay? And there's also that voice that a lot of gay people seem to have. I know this doesn't apply to all but I'm just wondering what others think of it?

[ifuseekamy]

I think in this case, he has clearly chosen but then again, I think it's a bit of an unlikely case anyway as it seems he just turned to another solution to being rejected all the time. So although very weakly, this supports the nurture side as his "decision" was affected by his environment and personal experiences.

Just sounds like a typical closeted gay. Put it this way, do you think changing your sexuality on your social networking profile means that you'll suddenly be turned on by and get an erection from looking at men? (assuming you're straight of couse).

[Black_Apalachi]

No lol. I don't think that's what I said but OK .

[RandomManJay]

By the way, do any gay people notice that with other gay people where they always seem to have to remind people that they are gay? And there's also that voice that a lot of gay people seem to have. I know this doesn't apply to all but I'm just wondering what others think of it?

I'm not actually gay, but I have noticed it with some people, like they were expecting a bigger response to them coming out and when they didn't get it they think either they don't believe them or they simply don't know or forgot etc. so they feel compelled to tell everyone over and over again (lol). I've also noticed it usually occurs when they're seen to be obviously gay but never come out until later on in life when people have already accepted the possiblity that they are and have gotten used to it. Also some gay people sort of go from one extreme to the other when it comes to coming out, like they're repressing their sexuality so much that they hide their natural behaviour and when they come out, they go to this uber-gay persona, its a little annoying to be honast cause its like they think there is the image of homosexuality which much be fulfilled when to be honast there isn't one these days, also I don't think many homosexuals want to go out with a man whose so feminine it would be like ******** a woman with a penis.

[FlyingJesus]

Genetics are random, like the random fact that you could have brown eyes or blue eyes, could be hairy or not hairy, could have darker skin or lighter skin.

Genetics is a science, you can predetermine to quite some degree how they will pan out. Two parents with black hair are unlikely to produce a blonde baby because that is a recessive gene, and random differences in genes are not all that common. There is no way to say that gene pooling is a random thing

We like food because as clever species we can make that choice, however its instinct to eat otherwise we wouldn't do it, just like its instinct to be attracted to girls or guys - all of which is influenced by genes.

Instinct as far as I'm aware is an innate brain function rather than a genetic property

Weren't you taught about that Brian/Brenda fella? When he was born, he needed some sort of laser surgery or something on his penis but the doctor somehow accidentally removed (most of) his penis. Anyway, his mother decided to then bring him up as a girl (don't ask me why lol ). So she changed his name from Brian to Brenda and bought him girl's toys and clothes. However he never fitted in with anyone and once he grew up he chose to change back to Brian and live like a man and eventually got married to a woman.

So this supports the nature debate as even though this guy was brought up as a girl from practically birth, his own feelings and instincts led him to go back to living as a male and being attracted to females.

Actually it's in support of neither as it was a medical mistake - he still had the chemical makeup of a male despite not having a penis. There's no proof that bringing up a boy in female way (ie: in dresses playing with dolls) will make anyone gay, it's just stereotyping that suggests gay males are effeminate

[VirtualG]

I think saying that you are being born straight or gay is pretty nieve. Humans, like all animals, have a natural instinct to reproduce and keep your blood line going although Humans, along with bottle nose dolphins (The only other animal out there) enjoy intercourse and maybe attracted to the same sex for whatever reason. I, therefore, believe it's a much larger "nurture" factor rather than nature. And by nurture I mean your surrounding environment and how it influences you, not just how you were brought up eg. A sailor maybe be straight but after seeing nothing but men for a year he may get some urges... Saying that someone is born one way or another is not right then. If you were gay and then cought amnesia you would probably become straight again as you do not remember the events that influenced you one way or another and would most likely be straight as that what the majority of the population is and is expected to be so you would naturally assume your apart of that majoritye, unless a male streaker just ran past and you got bumpy Ohh, and saying that it's genetics cant really be correct as gay people cant have children togther naturally so therefore they cant pass on the gene unless they have a test tube baby or they had a child before being gay, and how often will that happen?