Report Infraction Problems Thread ~ Should it be private?

[Sarah]

I can see the view from both sides. I think it being public for everyone to see is good and bad. It makes Moderators more accountable to the users as they can see if they are making daft or silly infractions. However, I can see it being used in a way to target Moderators or embarrass them. I think a sub-forum is a good idea and would probably look a lot nicer on the Forum - even if it was hidden/shown. However I'm going to side on Private on this one because in some cases users may not want it to be seen by other members to try and maybe get involved in the situation.

[Stephen]

If a mod made an obvious *** mistake then I'd want everyone to see how **** they are

[flatface]

If a mod made an obvious *** mistake then I'd want everyone to see how **** they are

This isn't about if moderators make mistakes or not after all everyone is human, they're bound to once in a while and to be quite frank, who cares?

[Hecktix]

If a mod made an obvious *** mistake then I'd want everyone to see how **** they are

The thread should most definitely not be there to ridicule moderators.

[Nixt]

I don't see an actual problem with the current way of dealing with infraction problems, hence why I voted to keep it as it is. Although having a sub-forum for it and keeping the threads private from other users wouldn't be an issue either, I can see why people would want that. But the thread has been doing it's job for a some time now and hasn't really been a big "problem" for it to be changed.

I agree with Matt. Although I would not be against a subforum I don't see the need to change right now.

Just realised a bit of a flaw in this poll, most people that have voted (with the exception of one) aren't likely to be appealing infractions anytime soon, so these votes don't really count, hmm I think a better method of measurement may be a different idea - I'll think.

I think all members votes should count because in fairness they are entitled to their opinion. Equally there is nothing to say they won't appeal in the future and in fact, they are more likely to appeal infractions they get as it will be their first or one of a small amount.

Well, a thread hasn't been going fine for years in my opinion and a lot of users send infraction appeals via PM to me - which I do not mind however at the times where I have diverted members to the thread they haven't actually posted their appeal - I'd be interested to know why members opt to choose this.

I think that's more than likely a "toys out of pram" situation where they get really annoyed with their infraction and think "Right, I'm going to Oli!". I think when they realise they have to go to the thread, and think things through more clearly, they decide not to appeal because they know they are in the wrong. I don't think anyone is embarrassed by appealing an infraction. That's a silly notion in my opinion, although I could be wrong.

[Catzsy]

Just realised a bit of a flaw in this poll, most people that have voted (with the exception of one) aren't likely to be appealing infractions anytime soon, so these votes don't really count, hmm I think a better method of measurement may be a different idea - I'll think.

I'm not fussed either way - it's more work for me to have a subforum but I see the benefits of having it private.

Are you seriously suggesting that only rule breakers have a say in this? If so that's unbelievable - this forum is for all the members who all are entitled to have a say on it. Obviously the rule breakers are going to vote for a private subforum. This is an example of what I was saying. Probably unintentional but again an example of a small few getting preferential treatment. If this gets a private subforum then so should rep problems as people maybe embarrassed to post in there.

[Hecktix]

Are you seriously suggesting that only rule breakers have a say in this? If so that's unbelievable - this forum is for all the members who all are entitled to have a say on it. Obviously the rule breakers are going to vote for a private subforum. This is an example of what I was saying. Probably unintentional but again an example of a small few getting preferential treatment. If this gets a private subforum then so should rep problems as people maybe embarrassed to post in there.

No I am not saying only rule breakers should get an opinion, everybody is entitled to their opinion however the reasons for such opinions need to be considered too - some people have said to me they like the thread purely because they like being nosey

What I meant in my post was that a lot of people posting are established staff and unlikely to be in the situation where they will need to appeal in a good while, I'm looking for more normal members to be voting in this poll.

Nobody gets preferential treatment at Habbox, Catzsy - it's an outrageous accusation.

[Catzsy]

No I am not saying only rule breakers should get an opinion, everybody is entitled to their opinion however the reasons for such opinions need to be considered too - some people have said to me they like the thread purely because they like being nosey

What I meant in my post was that a lot of people posting are established staff and unlikely to be in the situation where they will need to appeal in a good while, I'm looking for more normal members to be voting in this poll.


Nobody gets preferential treatment at Habbox, Catzsy - it's an outrageous accusation.

Well perhaps it could have been explained a bit better then as it didn't say staff and Garion thought the same thing as I did. Also I did not say 'intentional' but decisions can be made where it seems to be the case. In any event it does not look like senior management are in favour.

[Hecktix]

Well perhaps it could have been explained a bit better then as it didn't say staff. Also I did not say 'intentional' but decisions can be made where it seems to be the case.

Nobody at Habbox gets preferential treatment and I'm sure if they did Management would have picked up on it, those who get a few infractions are entitled to their opinion here and maybe their opinion is important here as it's them it affects - afterall we are talking about members with either 0, 1, 2 or 3 infractions who are not staff, as those with 4+ infractions will have to appeal decisions via support.

Whilst everybody else's opinion is valued and wouldn't be discounted, those who are going to be affected must be taken into consideration, and it's hardly giving rule breakers a choice it's more about normal members - I'd say rule breakers are those who have masses of infractions who don't get a say here anyway 'cause they get banned by their infractions.

Sorry if my post came across the wrong way, I'm just tired.

I'll repeat I'm not bothered either way this goes, I think the suggestion is an extremely worthwhile suggestion and I will take all worthwhile suggestions properly - this is something which could be implemented if members want it.

In a personal stance from me it's easier to post a new thread rather than have to set up a whole new subforum with complex permissions.

[Catzsy]

Nobody at Habbox gets preferential treatment and I'm sure if they did Management would have picked up on it, those who get a few infractions are entitled to their opinion here and maybe their opinion is important here as it's them it affects - afterall we are talking about members with either 0, 1, 2 or 3 infractions who are not staff, as those with 4+ infractions will have to appeal decisions via support.

Whilst everybody else's opinion is valued and wouldn't be discounted, those who are going to be affected must be taken into consideration, and it's hardly giving rule breakers a choice it's more about normal members - I'd say rule breakers are those who have masses of infractions who don't get a say here anyway 'cause they get banned by their infractions.

Sorry if my post came across the wrong way, I'm just tired.

I am not saying their opinion isn't important but no more important than normal members or staff. There is also nothing stopping members with 4+ infractions appealing against them after their ban - it has happened quite a few times. Some appeal infractions from weeks before. As I said nobody has done it 'intentionally' but the cause and effect of decisions should be considered more carefully as it can have that effect. That was all I was saying and I am not able to give examples as it would be seen as targeting which is against the rules.