My ideas :)

[Alkaz]

Banana

I'll be replying to only a couple of these points as others have a more informed knowledge about those areas than me.

Don't blame current management -
You could say this goes all the way back to 2008 really. As well I don't want to make him look bad, but taking Mr.OSH for example. As an AGM he was absolutely fantastic but was away on and off, normally weeks at a time for about 8 months before someone else took the position. Things like that which have been happening (and do currently) within General Management which doesn't only effect the site but the forum and the radio too. We've all as management been suckered into the ''v6'' excuse but for us there has been an extreme amount of uncertainness about it. In a way that does restrict us but on the other hand, why should it?

The site is more important than the forum -
Well yes. It's the site that seems to draw the users and then the forum that retains them here at Habbox. As I said above we've all fallen back on the v6 excuse and I am sure others will say as well that because of it that a lot of the changes which would've been made to the site have been held off to be incorporated into v6 which just got pushed back and back. There are things a few years ago which worked extremely well for the site and ultimately Habbox in general so I personally have no idea why they were removed. Features like that we're keen to reintroduce to Habbox but in a more modernised way. To add to the point about what James said about it seemingly is only the forum willing to change skins etc is quiet opposite. We spent about three weeks before Easter getting a site skin ready for the site but at the time the only person who was here who could and knew how to implement the skin was Yonder who at the time wasn't here. Again, replying on the ''v6'' excuse, this is something which we hope will be a lot easier to update meaning we can change the skins at different times of the year and also add new ones.

New material for Habbox -
Over the coming weeks leading up to the release of v6 there will hopefully be a lot more changes to the site in terms of the content. To go with the new look site we've been planning and updating our style recently and adding a lot more features which because of myself have not been publicly announced. We've been working towards it now so then hopefully everything is tip top allowing us to possibly focus on other projects such as 'teens corner' and possibly more. I don't see the point introducing this at the moment when there are still areas of concern - all of which are being worked on.

Merge HabboxLive and Habbox -
This isn't something we've planning right now. But who knows what the future has in store for us.

Get well known Habbos to advertise Habbox -
Roxy started this a while ago and through no fault of her own but in general was poorly maintained and advertised. I like your idea about the Habbox Hallway. That could possibly link in very nicely with Habbox Central where we have all of our official rooms linking from it. We are certainly going to be making more of an effort to make people see that those who donate to Habbox etc are more formally recognised both on the site and forum for it. I hope this will positively encourage more donations and as you say popular people and room owners to side and have more of an interest in Habbox.

Allow people to hide rep etc -
I think this idea. I know that I don't like my join date and all that information displayed down the side every time I post. It's not always because of what it is saying but because I think it looks better when I post lol. I think it will be quiet a good feature which will be used and then as you say newer users would probably use it too. I know when I first signed up 5 years ago I felt inferior to a lot of members so if I had that option available then I would've posted a lot more then instead of leaving it until two years later when I became staff.

Email all userbase -
I am sure that a couple of years ago, I can’t remember which limey it was but they said they didn't do mass emails in case it upset members. I think the opposite and as a member of CHF I sometimes get and read the emails they send and quiet often I do visit the forum to check out whatever is happening. Obviously as an avid member of Habbox it doesn't really encourage me to post there but no doubt it does for many others.

[Sammeth.]

With regards to merging habbox and hxl I did suggest it a few times a while ago but the whole hxl department seemed dead set against it and would not budge at all. I'll reply to the rest tomorrow, going bed now.

P.s: woo I got mentioned

At the end of the day, although Im sure there opinions are valued, it shouldn't be a reason not to do whats right as theres always going to be a certain level of bias there. It needs to be a decision that comes from management for the incredibly many and right reasons.

[xxMATTGxx]

The site is awfully out-dated and I’m sure it was going to be revamped in spring – we’re now quickly approaching winter. Of course, there might be delays and I’m sure there are endless excuses for this. Excuses don’t bring users.

The next version of the Habbox website was suppose to be earlier this year but due to delays and what needed doing and wasn't able to be done at the time has now been done. Although these situations don't help in trying to attract more people to Habbox but now the next version is in progression and work is currently being done, hopefully we can get this up sooner or later. I won't mention any "confirmed" dates for the time being but hopefully before the year is out.

It has to be merged with Habbox and HxL used no more.

Merging could help and would be more beneficial in my eyes but I don't think doing it now would do anything for both Habbox or HabboxLive but something that could be possibly done when the next version comes out. This way we have a brand new website attracting the users with HabboxLive built into it. (I'm not saying this is 100% happening but something I agree on)

I assume this would save money too? It might be pennies, I might be wrong, I’m clueless.

Not sure if it would save us any money that much, except it being under one domain with all the files under that account instead of the HabboxLive one. Unless we downsize servers during the merge which I don't think we will be doing. But you are correct in saying it's about making Habbox a better and a much more user friendly for our users and for the staff who work on the website also.

Whilst we’re taking about a client, this is an idea I put forward to ---MAD--- two years ago which never got implemented but alas I will present it again. A Habbox Hallway – basically, you ask some of the most popular rooms on Habbo (casinos/schools/Hogwarts/mafias) – whatever if they will put a tele in their room which connects to a Habbox Hallway. In return, they get their room advertised on Habbox.com. In this hallway all the best rooms will be connected but the room will be designed so that the tele that leads to HxHD or any other official Habbox rooms are the most appealing (perhaps place in the middle of the room). This could bring hundreds more people into HxHD who in turn could possibly use Habbox.

With that idea in mind, this is what we could expand Habbox Central into. Basically Habbox Central is one big room owned by Roxy916 and it has a number of teleporters in them linking to other rooms owned by certain Habbox staff such as HxHD, swimming pool, trade room and I forgot what else there. Although your suggestion adds on other people outside of Habbox to get more advertising done in big public rooms which could be a possibility.

I think you need to contact really popular sites such as habbotimes.de and ask them if they want HabboxForum to be their official UK Forum. It wouldn’t have to be anything official. You could explain to them their fansite is huge in UK and that you’d be willing to give them an advertisement slot if they were to link to HxF. Of course, this isn’t possible if they have their own UK Forum (I don’t think they do however).

Something only Jin can decide on! It's an interesting idea, not too sure how well that would work If Habbox decided to try something like that.

Staffing – I’ve said this before. You need to begin to look at management and wonder if they’d still use Habbox without their role.

I would still use Habbox if I wasn't staff, I would probably still use it until the day it closed. But can't always keep to such words as life can change within minutes.

Some General Management don’t even post on the forum and I think that’s an essential part of the role, people don’t really know who they are. 8freak8 was an ecelebrity on Habbo and was known by a lot of people – not just regular uses of Habbox. If xxMattGxx came into a room only those who were closely linked with Habbox would have an idea who he is and even then they’d probably call him forum manager or something. My point is that you need:

I won't start defending other people of Management in regards of posting, I'm sure they already know who they are in terms of posting. I admit I don't post "everywhere" on the forum but I do post in the area I tend to interest me and any threads that catch my eye. I know I'm not sure sort of e-famous person on Habbo which I guess that can be my fault in the way I use Habbo and that I'm not always on it all the time.

The technical problems are fixed now but they won’t be forever? It’s perfectly normal for websites to have technical issues. Seeing as Jamesy is technically minded and has Administrative powers on the forum would it really be that dangerous to upping his capabilities and allowing him to have access to server and fix issues. Obviously, I don’t know if that even makes sense or what access certain people have. Basically, Jamesy could have the same power as Jin – theoretically it doubles the chances of a serious ‘attack’ but it would ensure problems can be sorted quicker. This isn’t a criticism of MattG (basically saying he can’t do techy stuff if you wondered why he’d be insulted) or Jin (who I know has more considerable things than Habbox in his life).

Yay for server running like a good old server at last. Until next time! I guess it would be very handy for someone else to have access to important parts of Habbox Servers or what not encase they do break down and start blowing up and making each site unusable. Like Jamesy as pointed out, it would also be very handy for me to actually get to Un-IP ban people when Jin isn't here on a daily basis as I know that can be a right pain in the back side for members and staff too.

Your Skin Comment

You must admit the forum skins have gotten better over the years or maybe that is just me. I think the current skins Habbox use such as Habbox Summer/Autumn and the others are the best we have ever had so far. Jamesy tries his best on each one and the Halloween one is also another good looking one which should be coming out soon!

Mass Unban

Something we shall look into doing and get discussing very soon, it won't start happening straight away in terms of people getting "unbanned" but it's something we shall look into it and hopefully get the ball rolling.

Mass Email

Would be ideal when we have something to give them as in something new, version 6 would be a great time to do this and is quite easy to do.

I think I've put a point on most of the important ones, sorry If I have missed anything. I do need to go bed within the next few minutes and shall look at any other threads/posts and what not and reply if needed.

[beth]

With regards to merging habbox and hxl I did suggest it a few times a while ago but the whole hxl department seemed dead set against it and would not budge at all. I'll reply to the rest tomorrow, going bed now.

P.s: woo I got mentioned

this is true, or at least was true when i was part of the department over the summer.
hxl need to swallow the fact they don't warrant their own site, they're not THAT important anymore and they need the merge to survive.

[Robbie]

At the end of the day, although Im sure there opinions are valued, it shouldn't be a reason not to do whats right as theres always going to be a certain level of bias there. It needs to be a decision that comes from management for the incredibly many and right reasons.

Tbh part of it was also jess on a power trip because if it was merged she wouldn't have her own site to edit. I think I remember that being mentioned.

[Pyroka]

Tbh part of it was also jess on a power trip because if it was merged she wouldn't have her own site to edit. I think I remember that being mentioned.

Wouldn't be surprised, it seems unnecessary & just a pain for Habbox & its users.

[Inseriousity.]

• Habbox (site) is more important than Forum – get working on that.

Nixt pointed this out while he was AGM and we all agreed we needed to balance out the sites' a lot more. However, it seems general management continue to say 'Habbox v6', 'Habbox V6'. Jin needs to dilute power down to general management so we can all get on with our jobs. Stop faffing around and get to work. While Jin always goes away for the festival season, it's ridiculous that the site coders had to wait months for a specification. When it's released, I'm sure there'll be bugs and errors and negative feedback, that's bound to happen, inevitable really so I don't know why it needs to be absolutely perfect before it's released.


• New material for Habbox – teens corner, persuade Jin. What else?

Despite what I said about the slow arrival of v6, there's been lots of discussion about what's going on it and I think there's a lot of new material going on there. I hear the teens corner idea was rejected by Jin because obviously, teens aren't professional enough to answer questions on... teens. Pfft what a ridiculous argument. Nixt again seemed to be in support of this idea but now he's gone, I don't think there's anyone with the 'influence' to promote the idea.

• Merge HabboxLive and Habbox

Not really my place to say on this idea. I see the pros and cons for both sides tbh.

• Get well known Habbos to advertise Habbo in their rooms

There's a new Habbox Central idea out and the rooms on there are becoming really popular. They're all the adoptions etc. Tbh, I think general management had the wrong idea about revealing this new thing. They're letting it grow gradually, getting each room popular before going TA-DA whereas it'd have had more of an impact with a TA-DA at the beginning but maybe that's just me! This could be extended easily to non-Habbox staff and I think I remember saying we could get more non-Habbox staff (popular, non-popular Habbos) involved.


• Put teles in the most popular Habbo rooms and create a Habbox mall type thing – link to HxHD too.

Habbox Central basically.

• Ask popular foreign Habbo fansites (habbotimes) if they want Habbox to be their UK based forum.

Good idea. Instead of waiting for people to come to us (which is normally the common theme with the 'big' and 'popular' sites... until their popularity starts to go down and they end up with threads like these!), we need to get out there!

• From now on only choose management who are dedicated, powerful, interact and actively use Habbo (being known is a preference – yes shallow but does undoubtedly help).

Sadly true that unknown Habbos are likely to have a harder time as management but that's not to say a failure. I wasn't powerful or well-known and I'm doing fairly well tyvm

• Allow Jamesy or someone else who can do techy stuff the same access as Jin or enough to be able to fix things.

Agreed as I said in point 1, I think Jin should dilute his power down to others.

• One new forum skin. Slim. Neutral colours. SMALL BANNER. Cute. For teenagers.

Not really fussed about the skins personally but yeah whatever
• Allow people to hide rep/join date/post count – reset rep?

Think this will have the opposite effect to what you intended. If you have the option to hide rep, those who have it won't, those who don't will.... so basically we all know that they haven't got rep and it's basically the same situation as before.
• Mass unban

Mentioned on other thread.

• Email all userbase

Yeah, dunno why this isn't used more tbh.

• Be more lenient with rules / scrap all rules apart from use common sense[/QUOTE]

More lenient agreed. Scrapping, hmm I think this would result in a lot more arguments. What's common sense for someone is different to common sense for another.


this thread was only 2 replies long when I was writing this so I'll go back and read it more thoroughly. I think you'll be surprised how many managers do actually have a backbone and say what they think. Just ask poor Roxy

[nvrspk4]

1. Don’t blame current management – the signs were there for a while.
2. Habbox (site) is more important than Forum – get working on that.
3. New material for Habbox – teens corner, persuade Jin. What else?
4. Merge HabboxLive and Habbox
5. Get well known Habbos to advertise Habbo in their rooms
6. Put teles in the most popular Habbo rooms and create a Habbox mall type thing – link to HxHD too.
7. Ask popular foreign Habbo fansites (habbotimes) if they want Habbox to be their UK based forum.
8. From now on only choose management who are dedicated, powerful, interact and actively use Habbo (being known is a preference – yes shallow but does undoubtedly help).
9. Allow Jamesy or someone else who can do techy stuff the same access as Jin or enough to be able to fix things.
10. One new forum skin. Slim. Neutral colours. SMALL BANNER. Cute. For teenagers.
11. Allow people to hide rep/join date/post count – reset rep?
12. Mass unban
13. Email all userbase
14. Be more lenient with rules / scrap all rules apart from use common sense

I'm going to reply to the outlined version to prevent this from becoming ridiculously long.

1-3: Agreed entirely.
4: Will address below.
5-7: Agreed, I've also suggested some of these.
8: Agreed, with some exceptions for Tech and certain Forum positions. I do have concerns which I address below.
9: Agreed, I think it would be useful, though ultimately it's up to Jin
10: Agreed
11: Very much agreed
12: Maybe. Addressed below.
13: Agreed
14: Agreed...sort of (see below)

The ones that require more explanation:

4. HabboxLive/Habbox: I think that HabboxLive on Habbox diminishes the radio quite a bit. Then again, I also think that the radio has diminished quite a bit. If we want the radio to be as big a part of Habbox as it has, then it shouldn't be merged. If we want the radio to be a small facet of Habbox, about as big as that brilliant guide infrequent/allhisothernames/Jake made, then merge it with the site. But I'm not convinced that's a good idea.

8. Hiring well known staff: My only concern here is the availability of quality staff. Not to criticize the staff, we have great members of staff, but we also have problems filling positions precisely because we make sure we hire quality staff (or try to, in some cases some managers choose to settle.) Finding popular Habbo members who want to work on the site and are good staff material could prove challenging. Requiring managers to step up their Habbo presence instead of requiring them to have a Habbo presence to manage could be a way to meet in the middle.

12. Mass unban: I'm not completely opposed to an unbanning of members who were banned for repetitive offenses. I think it should be a case-by-case situation, but maybe habitual offenders could be considered. However, I think that opens too big a can of worms. I think a mass unban is logistically unwise, and could be entirely unwise as well.

14. Scrapping rules: I don't think the rules should be scrapped. However when I was GM, there were several people who contributed quite a bit to reducing the rules. Off the top of my head, I think GommeInc helped drive it and Professor-Alex did most of the work. Maybe another one of these overhauls would work, though apparently there was one recently?


Great post Jake.

[GoldenMerc]

Personally theres some good ideas and some ideas that wont work, I can't state all of them as im mr busy hehe,
Never the less as you addressed mass ban i will shed some light on that, In terms of mass unbanning i think it should be done unpon reason, Such as hacking, anything malicious, using someone elses acc etc nono
but stupid reasons like 4 infractions or anything below the belt a few times should be unbanned and possibly unbanned altogether, i guess the peoples accounts who are banned have most likely learnt a lesson, Maybe only unban them if their new account has less than x amount of infractions thus it proves the lesson is learnt?
Ross

[scott]

Tbh part of it was also jess on a power trip because if it was merged she wouldn't have her own site to edit. I think I remember that being mentioned.

Also the fact it happened the last time, the site was left that we weren't able to edit for about a month because the permissions ****** up.
HabboxLive has a load of content on it and if it was merged with Habbox then that content would be harder to find/used. Having the 2 sites separate is much easier for HabboxLive management who want to arrange things, rather than having to go through other managers to get a page or watevr added onto the Habbox site for them. It just needs a big promotion like i've said a lot for the past few months, all that has been cared about really is the forum and that was where all the focus was on rather than the main site, which has nothing on it to get new members to visit really.