The very air we breathe. Now under EU jurisdiction.

[Catzsy]

This is just silly. What the heck are they going to do if it is not up-to-standard fine the UK?

[AgnesIO]

The European Union is not elected, the Council of Europe (Herman Van Rompuy) is not elected by the people and nor is the Commission (the government), the 'parliament' is elected by the peoples however it is not a real parliament as it has no real parliamentary powers hence why Mrs. Thatcher famously referred to it as an Assembly and not a parliament. David Cameron on the other hand is elected, his seat is elected by a portion of the electorate and his party is elected by the British people.

So i'm afraid, no - the European Union is not elected.



In that case the EU is doing a pretty piss poor job (as usual) if air quality is still not what they want it, and again I ask - who asked them to set our air quality standards? the people certainly didn't. It is similar to the climate change targets they set, utterly ridiculous and unachievable - made that way in order to fine us. If the EU was given the go-ahead by the people, and if the EU was elected then you may have a point as it would then have legitimacy - but it doesn't have that legitimacy.

The people didn't ask for a 2.5% VAT increase. But it was still done. And that wasn't the EU's fault. Mind you, that was the Conservatives. IF ONLY UKIP WERE ACTUALLY LIKED!!!!11!!

[-:Undertaker:-]

The people didn't ask for a 2.5% VAT increase. But it was still done. And that wasn't the EU's fault. Mind you, that was the Conservatives. IF ONLY UKIP WERE ACTUALLY LIKED!!!!11!!

Well actually VAT is there thanks to the EU, its compulsory for EU members; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_a...European_Union

The European Union Value Added Tax (EU VAT) is a value added tax encompassing member states in the European Union Value Added Tax Area. Joining in this is compulsory for member states of the European Union. As a consumption tax, the EU VAT taxes the consumption of goods and services in the EU VAT area. The EU VAT's key issue asks where the supply and consumption occurs thereby determining which member state will collect the VAT and which VAT rate will be charged.

There's been suspicion that the recent rise was part of the 'tax harmonisation' across the European Union.

So there you have it, another topic you had no idea the EU was behind; but you appear to enjoy it am I right? you enjoy being ripped off and having your taxes and life dictated to you by an unelected body which is grabbing more power for itself as the days pass?

If only you looked into things!!!!11!!

[AgnesIO]

Well actually VAT is there thanks to the EU, its compulsory for EU members; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_a...European_Union



There's been suspicion that the recent rise was part of the 'tax harmonisation' across the European Union.

So there you have it, another topic you had no idea the EU was behind.

And you think they would remove it if we left the EU (and wouldn't add some ridiculous tax for walking?)

Stop fooling yourself.

[-:Undertaker:-]

And you think they would remove it if we left the EU (and wouldn't add some ridiculous tax for walking?)

Stop fooling yourself.

Depends who you vote in, but the point is that at least then we'd be able to make those choices ourselves and that when we voted at election time we would be able to change/go back on a policy if we so wished;- we can't do that with EU legislation and directives.

[AgnesIO]

Depends who you vote in, but the point is that at least then we'd be able to make those choices ourselves and that when we voted at election time we would be able to change/go back on a policy if we so wished;- we can't do that with EU legislation and directives.

Who do you think would HONESTLY save the general public money, and NOT lead the country to bankruptcy in the process.

Don't even try and tell me the anti everything europe party would.

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Who do you think would HONESTLY save the general public money, and NOT lead the country to bankruptcy in the process.

Don't even try and tell me the anti everything europe party would.

I honestly think UKIP would save the public a great deal of money.

I can't gurantee it no, but they appear to have better spending plans than the three main parties who have led us to virtual bankruptcy - so give them a try, and if they fail then I wouldn't vote them again and we could then give somebody else a try. There's hardly any point in voting for the same failures time and time again expecting them to succeed when they have a track record of failing.

'Anti-Europe' - I think you mean anti-EU, Farage's wife herself is German. Remember Europe isn't the problem, the European Union is - we want to save Europe and its numerous cultures along with the ancient the European nation states while the EU wants to destroy them and create a new identity.

[Chippiewill]

so give them a try, and if they fail then I wouldn't vote them again and we could then give somebody else a try.

/facepalm

You're joking, right? Because if they fail there probably isn't a come back, the economy will be in tatters and unrecoverable. I say it's better to stick with a reliable party until the situation is slightly less dire.

[-:Undertaker:-]

/facepalm

You're joking, right? Because if they fail there probably isn't a come back, the economy will be in tatters and unrecoverable. I say it's better to stick with a reliable party until the situation is slightly less dire.

A reliable party? so is a reliable party one which has left a £7.9tn debt? is a reliable party a party which none of its top brass have any business experience what so ever? is a reliable party one which gives away £11bn a year in foreign aid whilst increasing taxes at home? is a reliable party a party which leaves a note on the desk saying 'no money left'? is a reliable party a party which wastes £1.3tn in its final months in office in order to spite the opposition party? is a reliable party a party which lets in 1m illegal immigrants under its watch? is a reliable party a party which promises a referendum then denies a referendum? I could go on but we'd be here some time.

UKIP on the other hand, its top brass do have business experience and are not career-politicians with no idea how the rest of us live.

[Chippiewill]

A reliable party? so is a reliable party one which has left a £7.9tn debt? is a reliable party a party which none of its top brass have any business experience what so ever? is a reliable party one which gives away £11bn a year in foreign aid whilst increasing taxes at home? is a reliable party a party which leaves a note on the desk saying 'no money left'? is a reliable party a party which wastes £1.3tn in its final months in office in order to spite the opposition party? is a reliable party a party which lets in 1m illegal immigrants under its watch? is a reliable party a party which promises a referendum then denies a referendum? I could go on but we'd be here some time.

UKIP on the other hand, its top brass do have business experience and are not career-politicians with no idea how the rest of us live.

Reliable because you can rely on them not to completely screw it up. We have no prior experience of UKIP as of yet so it's best to wait for a better situation before giving them the helm.