Staff Returning

[Conservative,]

No idea were this came from - the best person for the job will get promoted whether they are staff are not. A few times as well we've had Head DJs who resigned return as senior DJs as they know how habboxlive work and that's what was needed at the time.

Promotions shouldn't really work on how long someones been there as it's certainly not the only thing thought about during someone getting promoted.

if you resign you will be allowed back in the future as long as there is room on the team, we have a limit of 50 DJs, 25 UK and 25 international. If you resign from a position such as Senior DJ then you will not be able to return to the same job.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=685008

if you want to check.

Obviously it's best person for the job. But I think it's complete ** if an old Senior comes in and just goes straight back to the top. What if they have been away for a year, or 2 years and are actually not that good anymore? A lot of people get overlooked when this happens which is actually quite disheartening for them.

I think it needs to be a balance between how long you've been here and how good you are. Because I think someone getting promoted on day 1 is a load of ****, but then it's not right to promote someone who's been here 5 years if they're actually not that good. It's about balance.

[Callum.]

HabboxLive example? No thanks.

They can work their way up, and be a wasted resource or they can be put into the previous position where the manager knows they'll do good.

If you were management, would you rather an experienced person in a higher role, or just someone who "was in line" and will have to be taught everything that you have to do with that new role. Not everyone is ready and if you're going to waste resources by going with the second option... that's just a poor management decision.

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eg. Grig passed his trial and in the same week (check on that), he got Head DJ.

or you can train up a decent member of staff who is probably eager for the job rather than the person who is rejoining leaving a month later. it's all voluntary at the end of the day, people want to be a part of habbox and managers take things far to seriously.

[Inseriousity.]

You say this everytime a thread like this is made which is why I actually respect you. You're on of the few who get into a decent role and don't change massively into this strange being with power.

lolol I should copy and paste it somewhere tbh.
Personally, I see a manager's job as constantly trying to improve the staff from trialist to potential manager. That way, if someone did resign, there'd be no need to cross my fingers and hope they come back as there'd always be someone ready to step up to the plate. I also agree with your earlier statement that you can't really get the experience if you're not given the chance. Think of any good manager in the past (I tend to look up to Professor-Alex and Yum999, my first two habbox managers) and it makes me sad that Habbox could potentially be throwing away another manager like that because they're not being given the chance to take the step on that ladder.

[Conservative,]

I don't think you can make this statement if you haven't been in a management role yourself. When a department is low on middle rank staff members (often when they have had high levels of senior staff leaving) then it's hard to find someone who can step up to a role.

You also can't say that all other departments should take HxL as an example as all other departments are different. For example in Rare Values the HRVRs are expected to update values on the site and add new rares (all with approval from me and Luke first) which is a very high trust role, i can't just be giving it to people who haven't quite fit into the role.

Also promotions to senior roles are decided by General Management really, i have to ask permission from Oli and Martin before i promote anyone to a senior role. So if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for Jin, it's good enough for Habbox.

I haven't been in a managerial role here, but at other sites I have and I never once had a problem of people not being ready. If I wanted to promote someone, I had someone I wanted to promote, I didn't need to bring back old staff.

[Mathew]

I think that staff who have resigned should understand that they can't just come back in a high position, there are other people suitable for the role.

This makes it sound like the people returning asked to go back at such a high level. I think it's highly unlikely Martin went to Matt and said "oioi, make me AGM"

Mathew, they may not have the experience, however, they get promoted and gain experience through that, the only way you get experience is being in the role in question.

Good point. Can't complain with that.

As someone also just said, about you can return to a senior role if you was in a management position in the department, so why is it, that some staff return as one of the lowest levels they can be within the department. For example Roxy916 she returned as a normal event staff but a Senior HxHD staff. I think she should have been senior in both departments. Yes maybe there may not be enough room for a Senior EO and also she may not mind, but some people who haven't been in management positions are returning back at what they were originally?

You've answered this yourself really Roxy's been management before so she went back a place lower (Super Staff), and with Events there's no room for an SEO, hence normal

If they wanted to do that couldn't they just post away for a bit and have a break to see how they feel?

I can speak from experience as I resigned from Events last August for a couple of weeks before I decided I was bored and wanted to return. Something tickled my feathers and I easily got over it and wanted back. Surely you can't be saying I should have gone back on a trial after being normal staff for months previously?

I think it's down to what people expect to happen. We're all under the impression that there's a system set in stone - which there is, to an extent (you start on a trial, you move upwards).. but I do think people are expecting that because they've been in a department longer they should be promoted. It's not the case and it never should be - we need to be flexible and suit the needs at the present time, regardless of however long you've been there.

Heck, Phil joined Events months after me but he was promoted first. I was rather lousy and only met the minimum requirement while he went ahead and did loads. I don't think it's unfair at all, he deserved it :rolleyes:

On another note - woo for a healthy discussion!

[scott]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=685008

if you want to check.

Obviously it's best person for the job. But I think it's complete ** if an old Senior comes in and just goes straight back to the top. What if they have been away for a year, or 2 years and are actually not that good anymore? A lot of people get overlooked when this happens which is actually quite disheartening for them.

I think it needs to be a balance between how long you've been here and how good you are. Because I think someone getting promoted on day 1 is a load of ****, but then it's not right to promote someone who's been here 5 years if they're actually not that good. It's about balance.

What I should have said then is generally if there is space you can return as one lower than you left as hence the example of head dj returning as a senior dj Not always the case but it has happened before.

[Conservative,]

What I should have said then is generally if there is space you can return as one lower than you left as hence the example of head dj returning as a senior dj Not always the case but it has happened before.

Not what it says though which was what my argument was on

[Josh]

or you can train up a decent member of staff who is probably eager for the job rather than the person who is rejoining leaving a month later. it's all voluntary at the end of the day, people want to be a part of habbox and managers take things far to seriously.

Managers always work towards that. However, at that moment in time, you want the best people leading your department so you can make it better for your successor which you've trained up.

[-Danube-]

To be honest, i think this has nothing to do with anyone.

If you accused a major company of being wrong by bringing back old members of staff to a higher rank, you'd probaly not get a very nice message back.

We are here in our own free will to provide a free service and to try do this to the best of out ability. You should just let departments work how they want to work, but if you feel this doesn't seem to be working and it 'failing' the department then a PM to Matt or Oli to flag this up is all is needed.

[xxMATTGxx]

or you can train up a decent member of staff who is probably eager for the job rather than the person who is rejoining leaving a month later. it's all voluntary at the end of the day, people want to be a part of habbox and managers take things far to seriously.

Which is sometimes done and once General Management believe they are ready, they get the management role. Obviously this mainly done with managers at times depending on the situation.

To be honest, i think this has nothing to do with anyone.

If you accused a major company of being wrong by bringing back old members of staff to a higher rank, you'd probaly not get a very nice message back.

We are here in our own free will to provide a free service and to try do this to the best of out ability. You should just let departments work how they want to work, but if you feel this doesn't seem to be working and it 'failing' the department then a PM to Matt or Oli to flag this up is all is needed.

I actually agree with this a bit, sometimes I do wonder. Well really, it is actually unto management at the end of the day who gets hired into what role. Yes sometimes it may look unfair for other people but nearly all the time it's actually for the best of that department and the correct thing to do at that time.

People return into their roles for many reasons, no one should really think they can resign and come back and expect their original role. If people have resigned and do come back in a previous role or a higher role such as Oli when he returned he became a member of the General Management Team, that is because at the time it was the best solution at the time and also the correct person to get in.

Whoever mentioned Recursion, he never returned back as a Super Moderator so I'm not sure where that information came from.