Saudi Arabia sends troops into Bahrain to put down protests

[The Don]

Well technically any military campaign involves a no fly zone, but as 'no fly zone' sounds nice and harmless thats why we're using it, to avoid discussing the fact that we are strategically bombarding Libya and thus becoming involved in yet another war.



We can't afford to go anywhere, have you seen the debts?

I don't see the benefits of involving ourselves in Libya; more soldiers could end up in body bags, loss of oil contracts if we don't now take ground action, more hatred stirred up in the middle east against us, a failed state and unstable region just below Europe, reconstruction aid would be needed.

You are thinking negatively, also, amusingly, not thinking about the benefits for any of the people in libya. It seems you only care about people in England. Quite a selfish attitude to have actually.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You are thinking negatively, also, amusingly, not thinking about the benefits for any of the people in libya. It seems you only care about people in England. Quite a selfish attitude to have actually.

A selfish but realistic attitude, historically our overseas adventures have only returned to bite us from the behind.

The 'blowback' theory; Cambodia, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq to list a few.

[The Don]

A selfish but realistic attitude, historically our overseas adventures have only returned to bite us from the behind.

The 'blowback' theory; Cambodia, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq to list a few.

I don't really see how this debate can carry on from this, if I'm honest.

[StefanWolves]

The 'no fly zone' in Libya isn't really a no fly zone, its strategic bombing - something that could be done in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain.

Firstly you are saying 'we cant afford what were doing in Libya!!!' now youre saying we should potentially trigger WW3 and spend billions of pounds 'attacking' other countries with considerably better armed forces than Libya. Come on make your mind up.

That and the fact the Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Etc arent involved in a civil war as Libya was. (that doesnt mean that they wont be in a few months/years time however)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Firstly you are saying 'we cant afford what were doing in Libya!!!' now youre saying we should potentially trigger WW3 and spend billions of pounds 'attacking' other countries with considerably better armed forces than Libya. Come on make your mind up.

I'm not advocating that at all, thats your own logic i'm handing to you.

That and the fact the Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Etc arent involved in a civil war as Libya was. (that doesnt mean that they wont be in a few months/years time however)

Bahrain has had to call on Saudi troops to come in and work alongside its armed forces in actually gunning down protestors of the rebellion, the same is now occuring in Yemen - where is their help? why is it that because one brutal regime is friends with America and another is not, they are treated differently. The hypocrisy from the west is disgusting and the fact you cannot see through it is rather scary.

[StefanWolves]

Whilst quoting my post you seem to somehow dodge me whole post, cool

I'm not advocating that at all, thats your own logic i'm handing to you.



Bahrain has had to call on Saudi troops to come in and work alongside its armed forces in actually gunning down protestors of the rebellion, the same is now occuring in Yemen - where is their help? why is it that because one brutal regime is friends with America and another is not, they are treated differently. The hypocrisy from the west is disgusting and the fact you cannot see through it is rather scary.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Whilst quoting my post you seem to somehow dodge me whole post, cool

What have I dodged? point out a point you want me to address and i'll address it.

I'll make it more simple for you though, if you need more elaboration on it you can see the post above for it, here goes;

That and the fact the Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Etc arent involved in a civil war as Libya was.

Wrong, pro-western Bahrain is in a state of civil war backed by pro-western Saudi Arabia.

Firstly you are saying 'we cant afford what were doing in Libya!!!' now youre saying we should potentially trigger WW3 and spend billions of pounds 'attacking' other countries with considerably better armed forces than Libya. Come on make your mind up.

Wrong, i'm pointing out your own logic - i'm not advocating any action what-so-ever.

[StefanWolves]

Orle??

What have I dodged? point out a point you want me to address and i'll address it.

I'll make it more simple for you though, if you need more elaboration on it you can see the post above for it, here goes;



Wrong, pro-western Bahrain is in a state of civil war backed by pro-western Saudi Arabia.



Wrong, i'm pointing out your own logic - i'm not advocating any action what-so-ever.

[GommeInc]

'And' theres the key word. so, it is a no fly zone.

Technically we're breaking the no fly zone rule with the bombardment. The idea is to literally stop them from flying, not bombarding the area and adding to the total number of people dead, including innocent people. Reuters is covering a lot of the news revolving around the US killing civilians. I'm shocked that we're not really helping, we're just adding another faction to a war which is getting out of hand. If we want to support democracy, take out Gaddafi, not bombard places that contain innocent people.

[StefanWolves]

Thats what a no fly zone is. If they country you are implenting a no fly zone in a country that has Air Defenses you must take them out because they will take you out. Its mandatory.

In terms of other attacks e.g the French attacking tanks, the UN resolution stated that ALL means should be taken to protect the Libyan people from attack.

Technically we're breaking the no fly zone rule with the bombardment. The idea is to literally stop them from flying, not bombarding the area and adding to the total number of people dead, including innocent people. Reuters is covering a lot of the news revolving around the US killing civilians. I'm shocked that we're not really helping, we're just adding another faction to a war which is getting out of hand. If we want to support democracy, take out Gaddafi, not bombard places that contain innocent people.