Saudi Arabia sends troops into Bahrain to put down protests

[-:Undertaker:-]

In terms of other attacks e.g the French attacking tanks, the UN resolution stated that ALL means should be taken to protect the Libyan people from attack.

Thats what a no fly zone is.

..so as myself and Ryan said, its not just a no fly zone - its military bombardment, hence why the Arab League and Russia are now angry.

So anyway as you avoided a real reply to my last post, do you support action against pro-western Bahrain?

[StefanWolves]

Its completely different as i just described in the other thread. So much water has gone under the bridge regarding Libya that this were the only alternative. Theres history. And we would never take Bahrain cause the West ate **** scared of Iran, to be honest.

..so as myself and Ryan said, its not just a no fly zone - its military bombardment, hence why the Arab League and Russia are now angry.

So anyway as you avoided a real reply to my last post, do you support action against pro-western Bahrain?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Its completely different as i just described in the other thread. So much water has gone under the bridge regarding Libya that this were the only alternative. Theres history. And we would never take Bahrain cause the West ate **** scared of Iran, to be honest.

Water has gone under the bridge because our politicians have been caught out, they thought a few weeks ago that their friend Gaddafi was toast as their other friends Mubarak and Ben Ali were, so they swapped sides when they thought they knew the outcome (as they did with Egypt and Tunisia). Gaddafi then proved them wrong by advancing rapidly back towards the East, whilst at the same time dropping the 'friends' of the west who had betrayed him by backing the rebels.

And as all weak, anti-western regimes with oil end up - Libya has now had war declared on it by the west. They would do the same with Iran if they could you are quite rights, they could - but frankly Iran would deliever us a bloody nose in the process and like the playground bullies, thats not a risk we'll take.

Mr Galloway sums up basically what i've been saying;

[StefanWolves]

Again I won't read most of that reply as after reading the first line I know you've totally dodged what I was saying.

And to say that you agree with anything Galloway says, says it all...

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After scanning your post you mention 'war', this is not war. stop making things up, stop plucking random statements out of the air which simply aren't true.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Again I won't read most of that reply as after reading the first line I know you've totally dodged what I was saying.

And to say that you agree with anything Galloway says, says it all...

WHAT have I missed out??

All you keep doing it saying things like 'water under the bridge', I explain what that water under the bridge is and you say i'm not addressing the point.

After scanning your post you mention 'war', this is not war. stop making things up, stop plucking random statements out of the air which simply aren't true.

Invading a sovereign nations airspace and bombing a sovereign country is an act of war.

If Russia and China did the same to ourselves, it would be considered an act of war - this is exactly the same, although for propaganda purposes we're not supposed to see this as a war given past experiences but a 'no fly zone' when a no fly zone + bombardment is an act of war.

[StefanWolves]

an act of war is different from declaring 'WAR', therefore you should stop saying were 'at war' with Libya because we are not.

WHAT have I missed out??

All you keep doing it saying things like 'water under the bridge', I explain what that water under the bridge is and you say i'm not addressing the point.



Invading a sovereign nations airspace and bombing a sovereign country is an act of war.

If Russia and China did the same to ourselves, it would be considered an act of war - this is exactly the same, although for propaganda purposes we're not supposed to see this as a war given past experiences but a 'no fly zone' when a no fly zone + bombardment is an act of war.

[-:Undertaker:-]

an act of war is different from declaring 'WAR', therefore you should stop saying were 'at war' with Libya because we are not.

Oh come off it, so in other words - if a leader of the side you support doesn't use the word 'war' it isn't a war? Mr Gaddafi has already declared it a war, so I guess thats your 'point' now shot down; http://www.sundaytimes.lk/index.php/...tside-sympathy // http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12798568. The reason why Obama/Cameron and so forth don't want to use the words war is for propaganda purposes, because they know fully well that the people of both the United States and Great Britain have already had two unpopular wars in 9 years.

Call it whatever you like, 'a armed rebellion', a 'conflict', a 'no fly zone' (which is more than a no fly zone) - it remains an act of war. Again I ask you, if China and Russia shut down British airspace, imposed a no fly zone, aerial bombarded military units and bombed Downing Street - would that be a war or not?

If you want to argue over technicalities we can do so, but you still haven't addressed what to do with Bahrain and Yemen.

[StefanWolves]

Technically. E.g. The Falklands 'WAR' was never a war because neither side declared war. It was a battle of an Island.

Oh come off it, so in other words - if a leader of the side you support doesn't use the word 'war' it isn't a war? Mr Gaddafi has already declared it a war, so I guess thats your 'point' now shot down; http://www.sundaytimes.lk/index.php/...tside-sympathy // http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12798568. The reason why Obama/Cameron and so forth don't want to use the words war is for propaganda purposes, because they know fully well that the people of both the United States and Great Britain have already had two unpopular wars in 9 years.

Call it whatever you like, 'a armed rebellion', a 'conflict', a 'no fly zone' (which is more than a no fly zone) - it remains an act of war. Again I ask you, if China and Russia shut down British airspace, imposed a no fly zone, aerial bombarded military units and bombed Downing Street - would that be a war or not?

If you want to argue over technicalities we can do so, but you still haven't addressed what to do with Bahrain and Yemen.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Technically. E.g. The Falklands 'WAR' was never a war because neither side declared war. It was a battle of an Island.

But we all know it was a war.

[Eoin247]

I believe that the true reason why you're hearing some rumbles now in the arab league is due to Ghadafis contacts.