Osama Bin Laden is DEAD

[AgnesIO]

When confronted with evidence that should change your opinion, if you wish to be technical, the rational thing to do would be to change stance on the issue would it not? if not, then you can admit you are not guided by rationality and thus take back the comment that I am the 'narrow minded one'? yes?

Yes and no. I would say if you have an opinion on something, that is your opinion. For example bullfighting is a very two sided debate, and I obviously no the ins and outs and why it could be considered inhumane, but I still occasionally watch bullfighting - despite the fact I understand fully why many people are so anti bullfighting.

I wouldn't change an opinion because everyone disagrees, I would change an opinion once I had learnt enough about the subject to have a change of opinion.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes and no. I would say if you have an opinion on something, that is your opinion. For example bullfighting is a very two sided debate, and I obviously no the ins and outs and why it could be considered inhumane, but I still occasionally watch bullfighting - despite the fact I understand fully why many people are so anti bullfighting.

I wouldn't change an opinion because everyone disagrees, I would change an opinion once I had learnt enough about the subject to have a change of opinion.

A debate however is not about 'accepting that somebody else has an opinion' - debate is a battle between two points of view of which one side usually 'wins', sometimes some debates are won more easily than others. But when you have nothing else to say after being in a debate with somebody, that should surely open your eyes and to reply with simply 'thats my opinion' is poor.

Again, if you ran rings around me and left me lost for words - by then i'd have either accepted I was wrong or would be frantically looking for counter arguments to put forward rather than simply ignoring it for the sake of personal pride.

[Hecktix]

When confronted with evidence that should change your opinion, if you wish to be technical, the rational thing to do would be to change stance on the issue would it not? if not, then you can admit you are not guided by rationality and thus take back the comment that I am the 'narrow minded one'? yes?

When deciding something is right or wrong in terms of morality this is always going to be subjective and no evidence can be evidence in these debates, as I said the debate about abortion is what you believe life to be - yes there's evidence that a foetus is a living body and yes it's a human being but if you don't believe life (in terms of taking life, ending life) can happen until after birth then that's your view, afterall life is the most subjective thing there is, just because something breathes is it really alive? Biologically, yes it is alive, but in terms of philosophical concepts it's up to the individual to decide if they believe it is life as we know it. It's all subjective Dan. Although if you want to go down the evidence route another day as I simply don't have the time to do it now, I will chuck you tonnes of evidence of the negative effects of adoption and I'll also show you a lot of evidence of the negative effects upon a child's development if the mother attempts to bring up a child when they don't really want one. End life whilst it life means nothing but breathing in the uterus or subject a human being to a lifetime of psychological damage. I know what I would choose, you may disagree - but like I said, the wonders of opinion. Now I really must go revise, so when I don't reply, I'm not admitting defeat, I am merely spending my time doing more important things.

[AgnesIO]

What would I like? either for you to leave me speechless and from that i've then learnt something, or in the case that I leave you speechless that you at least accept that instead of resorting to 'my opinion' and hopefully you'd then go off and look into the issue and try to find counter arguments - if none come up then you then know which side is correct don't you?

You do realise some of us have an education to think about, rather than spending ages replying to your posts. The thing is, I am not the only one who gets fed up with replying to you to simply get told we are wrong (whether you write five words or 300 words it is essentially the same thing).

Now if you don't mind, I have some work to do.

[-:Undertaker:-]

When deciding something is right or wrong in terms of morality this is always going to be subjective and no evidence can be evidence in these debates, as I said the debate about abortion is what you believe life to be - yes there's evidence that a foetus is a living body and yes it's a human being but if you don't believe life (in terms of taking life, ending life) can happen until after birth then that's your view, afterall life is the most subjective thing there is, just because something breathes is it really alive? Biologically, yes it is alive, but in terms of philosophical concepts it's up to the individual to decide if they believe it is life as we know it. It's all subjective Dan. Although if you want to go down the evidence route another day as I simply don't have the time to do it now, I will chuck you tonnes of evidence of the negative effects of adoption and I'll also show you a lot of evidence of the negative effects upon a child's development if the mother attempts to bring up a child when they don't really want one. End life whilst it life means nothing but breathing in the uterus or subject a human being to a lifetime of psychological damage. I know what I would choose, you may disagree - but like I said, the wonders of opinion. Now I really must go revise, so when I don't reply, I'm not admitting defeat, I am merely spending my time doing more important things.

Well see - I would much rather you have said that in the first place which actually has some points of argument rather than simply dismiss it and say 'thats my opinion' as you did earlier. Obviously this is winding down now, but i'd like to have a debate on this in the future (infact I might start one in that forum) in this sort of manner, not in the manner that you were using before which as I said before, was narrow-minded by simply refusing to debate the points put forward and withdrawing from the debate.

If it is a matter of time then simply say so, rather than accuse me of being narrow minded and so forth.

You do realise some of us have an education to think about, rather than spending ages replying to your posts. The thing is, I am not the only one who gets fed up with replying to you to simply get told we are wrong (whether you write five words or 300 words it is essentially the same thing).

Now if you don't mind, I have some work to do.

Well you just have spent ages replying to my posts, and instead of personal digs you could have been debating a topic properly and proving me wrong - but you choose not to strangely enough. My replies to you have been the same size as the ones you've given my by the way, so don't try to pull that card.

[Mathew]

I think you are literally the first person on this forum I hate. You are naive and uninformed.

Couldn't agree more.

Since you wanted to get all emotional over the homosexuality example... lets use a diffrent one. AMERICA & The UK going to Pakistan, Iraq & Afghanistan don't you think soldiers bomb's & weapons have killed innocent people of those country??? but no i forgotten that all you lot care about is "revenge" WHAT THE **** IS THIS GAINING!?!?!? British solders are being killed too, not just the "Taliban" when you read/watch the news and you see "The Taliban are Dead" you get excited don't you? don't you think that the family's of "The Taliban" are grieving. America & The UK are bigger fools than any other country's in the world. By killing "The Taliban" all they are doing is dropping to their levels.

To be perfectly honest, no I don't think about the family's of the Taliban grieving. You're clearly moronic if you decide to join the Taliban for obvious reasons, hence you know the dangers involved.

The UK has free healthcare, free education, good public health and one of the best standards and living in the world. How you can compare that to the Taliban is just beyond me..

Why did Tony Blair even get The UK especially England involved in the war? because he thought G.W. Bush was some kind of LEGEND and look where it got the UK, under terrorism plots, re session because there spending so much on weapons from other country's etc..

Firm understanding of politics right here lol..

I've forgiven Bin Ladden for his actions if he really is dead then may he rest in peace.

You're really gonna tell your kids that you decided to forgive the world's most notorious terrorist? I'm sure they'll adore you.

now ******* think about that... is celebrating solving anything??? Al Qaeda are gonna strike back & there gonna do it so well. I just hope that when they do and your life becomes tortured JUST like theirs. you'll remember the black kid on habboxforum who made valid points you were just too stubborn & blind to see. Im leaving this thread now because its just gonna end up in a battle between myself & all of you.
o/

You're wishing torture upon your fellow forum members? You have problems lmao...
Oh and there's no need to mention your race either. We'd rather concentrate on your so-called "valid" points which are nothing short of a lunatic's.

Nothing will change in the terms of running Al Qaeda

This has been a serious blow to Al Qaeda.

contradictionz

[Eoin247]

ok since none of you are understanding what im trying to say... ill say it in your language...

YAY HE IS DEAD WOOOOOOO LETS ALL PARTY HARD!

now ******* think about that... is celebrating solving anything??? Al Qaeda are gonna strike back & there gonna do it so well. I just hope that when they do and your life becomes tortured JUST like theirs. you'll remember the black kid on habboxforum who made valid points you were just too stubborn & blind to see. Im leaving this thread now because its just gonna end up in a battle between myself & all of you.
o/

Celebrating does bring some solace to those whos lives have been ruined by this man. I'm not too sure how forgiving you would feel if your life was destroyed by him.

Unfortunately i don't think this is as big of a blow as some say it is. As long as there's a high level of fundamentalism in the middle east you are going to have problems.

On another note. As a punishment i think they should have kept osama alive and forced him to constantly fly around the world. See how he likes going through all this security that's there because of him.

[Jordy]

Please think about the point I was trying to make when I posted that picture... Yes he was a bad person who did awful things. & I do feel sorry for the family's who lost loved ones... but this is where i was trying to go with the "at least have some respect"

He was a man who FOLLOWED in what HE BELIEVED. They may not of been the BEST decisions but that's what he done. Lets take Homosexual's for example... Im not trying to direct this towards anybody its just an EXAMPLE.

They believe in Same Sex relationships & they don't think there is a problem with that (not saying there is). They believe that they aren't harming/hurting anybody, really... they are. they are hurting God & The Son Jesus Christ. I am not a strong Catholic & I don't believe in every single part of the bible but I believe in certain things. God & Jesus Christ didn't WANT single sex relationships hense why the "1st two people on earth" were ADAM & EVE ; Male &Female,why? to populate the earth, we where ALL born into sin and the reason for this is because Eve decided to eat the apple off the tree etc...

Ok so that's the little example of what I was talking about... From the religious side of things, homosexual's have betrayed God & Jesus but yet still they are respected in certain area's because they didn't hide what they believed in & how they felt. The same thing with Bin Laden. He wasn't scared to follow what he believed in and the way he felt. And that is the reason why I have SOME respect for him. If you was homosexual & the world decided that homosexuality was the worst thing ever & ALL homosexual's were killed. Would you like that?

Point to me the section of the Koran where it recommends blowing up innocent American civilians (and otherwise). You simply cannot respect him for "believing" when what he believes is made-up extremist ********.

Okay... so your all gonna be arrogant because im probrably the only person brave enough to take Osama's side... That dude that was like "get out of my county" i honestly lol'ed so hard at that. who the **** are you??? its not YOUR country its Queen Elizabeth the 2nd's country.

ANYWAY!

Since you wanted to get all emotional over the homosexuality example... lets use a diffrent one. AMERICA & The UK going to Pakistan, Iraq & Afghanistan don't you think soldiers bomb's & weapons have killed innocent people of those country??? but no i forgotten that all you lot care about is "revenge" WHAT THE **** IS THIS GAINING!?!?!? British solders are being killed too, not just the "Taliban" when you read/watch the news and you see "The Taliban are Dead" you get excited don't you? don't you think that the family's of "The Taliban" are grieving. America & The UK are bigger fools than any other country's in the world. By killing "The Taliban" all they are doing is dropping to their levels.

Why did Tony Blair even get The UK especially England involved in the war? because he thought G.W. Bush was some kind of LEGEND and look where it got the UK, under terrorism plots, re session because there spending so much on weapons from other country's etc..

You don't have to agree with anything I have said because you are your own person do what you want when you want but yeah... I've forgiven Bin Ladden for his actions if he really is dead then may he rest in peace.

He hasn't asked for forgiveness, apologised, shown any remorse or expressed regret, why would you even contemplated forgiving him, he never even want to be forgiven!

Yes clearly America & the UK are the most "foolish" countries in the world, that's why they're stable democracies with some of the greatest freedoms in the world and also among the wealthiest states. It's certainly not someone like Gaddafi who machine guns his own citizens or Mugabe who is incapable of feeding his citizens.

Just clicked the "Facebook" link in your signature and your profile picture was "RIP Osama", *REMOVED*

I am Lamar & I have every right to question the prime minister's actions because there is such thing as freedom of speech.

the reason why I am able to forgive him is because its THE PAST there is no way what he has done can be changed, I'm not scum. I'm not a child. I believe in FORGIVE & FORGET the armed forces going out to kill isn't solving a damn thing all its doing is making **** worst.

So if I murdered your mum, you'd forgive me and wouldn't want to hurt me seeing as it wouldn't make anything better and it'd already happened..?

Edited by Infectious (Forum Moderator): Please do not be rude to other users!

Terribly sorry for referring to a Bin laden sympathiser as a moron

[Narnat,]

I think it is a good thing but it could also be a bad thing. Who is going to be the next osama?

[AgnesIO]

I think it is a good thing but it could also be a bad thing. Who is going to be the next osama?

For Al Qaeda? I am going to bet on: Them having coffee coloured skin, a beard, some kind of turban and most likely wearing tradition dress (er a long coat/dress)

Only kidding (Although probably a good guess). However, I don't think it matters. The fact is that their key figure head is gone, which to me is all that matters for now.