Girl digs self out of grave, points to rapist

[Jordan:A]

Wow, how brave!

[scottish]

Should knock him out and put him in a deep grave.

dno if its been said just read op.

[-:Undertaker:-]

What if they're innocent?

Should we abolish prison altogether then along with all forms of punishment?

..as for innocence though, what about the unborn who are innocent? do they qualify for such worries from yourself?

So you're saying the Government and the citizens of a country should set their moral compass in the direction of drug dealers, gangland leaders and gangsters? Sounds like a lovely, uncivilised mess - a country filled with angry people who think physical punishment is an appropriate punishment.

Well actually I stated that we should use the civilised method concerning presumption of innocence until proven guilty, the right to a fair trial before a jury, the right to a defence, the right of appeal.... all of which are the most civilised methods of justice ever created.

Quite a few people who support the death penalty seem like the sort who will fall under such a system shortly after its approval. The filth they come out with, and the anger they reveal set such a negative precedent. I'd hate to live in an angry country

Actually its the rubbish the anti-death penalty side come out with, as with the example above which i've just busted which is the idea that death is not a punishment - it clearly is hence why criminals use it on one another and hence my examples. We were a far less 'angry country' when we had the death penalty, infact ever since its removal and the softening of the justice system we've become much nearer to having mob-rule in this country concerning justice against criminals.

I believe in a justice system which punishes, and certain crimes fit the death penalty as a suited punishment.

[Recursion]

Yes it does.

When criminals punish one another, or people in general - what is the ultimate punishment that they can and often will give? death. Whenever drug dealers, gangland leaders or gangsters resort to punishment; death is always the top choice for punishment.

So the nonsense about 'death is not a punishment' is void, of course it is.

I didn't say I was opposed to it. The way I see it is they should serve time until their death, IMO sentencing someone to death is a) extreme (what if they're proven innocent later?) and b) a bit of a cop out in terms of a punishment (and no, they shouldn't be let out or their sentences shortened on "good behaviour" and all that rubbish)

[-:Undertaker:-]

I didn't say I was opposed to it. The way I see it is they should serve time until their death, IMO sentencing someone to death is a) extreme (what if they're proven innocent later?) and b) a bit of a cop out in terms of a punishment (and no, they shouldn't be let out or their sentences shortened on "good behaviour" and all that rubbish)

I've just explained both a) and b), see above.

[The Don]

Should we abolish prison altogether then along with all forms of punishment?

It's different though, if someone's sent to prison and afterwards people find out they didn't actually commit the crime, they can be released. Whereas if they are killed, it can't be reversed and an innocent person has been killed.

[-:Undertaker:-]

It's different though, if someone's sent to prison and afterwards people find out they didn't actually commit the crime, they can be released. Whereas if they are killed, it can't be reversed and an innocent person has been killed.

They can't be released if they die in prison before being found not guilty.

..just as somebody cannot be brought back to life after failing their appeal and being executed, then being found not guilty.

[The Don]

They can't be released if they die in prison before being found not guilty.

..just as somebody cannot be brought back to life after failing their appeal and being executed, then being found not guilty.

but if they are still alive and in prison they can then be released...

[-:Undertaker:-]

but if they are still alive and in prison they can then be released...

But we're talking here about the small minority of people who aren't found not guilty and die in prison, just as we are also talking about the very very small minority of people who are wrongly sentenced to death and then executed before being found to be not guilty.

Both are undo-able, yet nobody suggests abolishing prison.

[The Don]

But we're talking here about the small minority of people who aren't found not guilty and die in prison, just as we are also talking about the very very small minority of people who are wrongly sentenced to death and then executed before being found to be not guilty.

Both are undo-able, yet nobody suggests abolishing prison.

Lol, i'm actually for the death penalty, I just enjoy debating

And also with the ammount of appeals etc chances are they did commit the crime in the first place and deserve their sentence.