'Second hand smoke' myth

[-:Undertaker:-]

Me too, but to assume the majority of people who celebrate gay pride are "hairy men in tiny trunks dancing around in the street" is a huge insult and completely unjustified.

A fairly large proportion are and thats not discounting those who dress up as drag queens.

I find it distasteful, cringeworthy and embarrassing but i'd never ban it just as they shouldn't ever attempt to ban me stating what I think of that behaviour/ people smoking. You know, freedom?

[GeorginaxD]

A fairly large proportion are and thats not discounting those who dress up as drag queens.

I find it distasteful, cringeworthy and embarrassing but i'd never ban it just as they shouldn't ever attempt to ban me stating what I think of that behaviour/ people smoking. You know, freedom?

You're wrong, but even so, it's their choice to dress like that. If you don't like it just don't watch it.

[GommeInc]

Anyways, second hand smoke makes my clothes stink and that's more than enough reason to ban it.

Agreed. People can smoke if they want, but it should be them who respect the smart majority who do not waste their money on a pointless habit. Pub owners could make smoking rooms to cater to the smokers but at the end of the day smoking / smokers shouldn't be given priority. At least smoking in enclosed areas has been banned and is slowly putting an end to the habit. Even though I find cannabis a pointless drug, it at least does something to the body that could be considered harmless and positive, unlike smoking tobacco. Besides, it's a drain on Government and hospital resources. Tax payers shouldn't be wasting their money on smokers - particularly younger ones. The older generation (our parents and grandparents) didn't know better, so in a sense they have an excuse because the damage has been done and it was acceptable back in their day.

[IAMU2]

I agree with PrincessG.

A fairly large proportion are and thats not discounting those who dress up as drag queens.

I find it distasteful, cringeworthy and embarrassing but i'd never ban it just as they shouldn't ever attempt to ban me stating what I think of that behaviour/ people smoking. You know, freedom?

I am gay and a heavy Marijuana and Tobacco smoker (sadly). Passive smoking is harmful none the less - you would have to be a bigot (and by the looks of it, you are - even if you can 'respect' other people opinions and free rights) if you disagree. ESPECIALLY in a closed environment.

Also, people like you looking at drag queens in hate , are affected by their own self-ignorance.
People inhaling second hand smoke (cancer causing or not), are affected by other peoples self-ignorance.
Where is said freedom you speak of?

You sound uneducated and unaware (even if you are not, just comes across that way)
Re-posting - ''again watch the clip'' isn't really a counter-argument :/ You can't just focus all your opinions on ONE youtube video, have you done any other research? If so I would like see the sources

Smoking is a dirty habit, everyone should just get high and enjoy cancer free life haha. - it's proven that marijuana increases brain cells, unlike it's unhealthy brothers alcohol and cigarettes.. Too bad we are in a system which which cares about moneyover human life.

Seriously, I love penn and teller (especially the PETA episode of *REMOVED* - I am all for animal rights, but PETA is horrible.)



I am so glad I live in Australia.

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[Technologic]

A fairly large proportion are and thats not discounting those who dress up as drag queens.

I find it distasteful, cringeworthy and embarrassing but i'd never ban it just as they shouldn't ever attempt to ban me stating what I think of that behaviour/ people smoking. You know, freedom?

As big as your head may be you do not represent a large proportion of the british population deary

[IAMU2]

Even though I find cannabis a pointless drug, it at least does something to the body that could be considered harmless and positive, unlike smoking tobacco.

Haha I could go on FOREVER on reasons why the cannabis ban is pathetic, tax purposes!
Annoying that hemp is the toughest fibre known to man, and was used for paper, fabrics and textiles, biodegradable plastics, health food, construction and even fuel before it's ban. Imagine a world with endless supplies of resources that isn't destroying our environment?
Even the emissions from cars running off hemp, are equivalent or less than the H2O the plant gives off while growing, self efficiency and no pollution.
No deaths resulting cannabis to date. Everything you heard that was negative toward it, has been carried down and down the generations -.-'
Back in the old days, to 'prove' it was bad, they pumped so much THC into masks (worn by a monkeys) and suffocated them, as they weren't even allowing oxygen to pass. Resulting in brain cell loss and death, this is what started the 'POT IS BAD - KILLS BRAINCELLS' opinions.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You're wrong, but even so, it's their choice to dress like that. If you don't like it just don't watch it.

Which is what i've been saying all along.

Agreed. People can smoke if they want, but it should be them who respect the smart majority who do not waste their money on a pointless habit. Pub owners could make smoking rooms to cater to the smokers but at the end of the day smoking / smokers shouldn't be given priority. At least smoking in enclosed areas has been banned and is slowly putting an end to the habit. Even though I find cannabis a pointless drug, it at least does something to the body that could be considered harmless and positive, unlike smoking tobacco. Besides, it's a drain on Government and hospital resources. Tax payers shouldn't be wasting their money on smokers - particularly younger ones. The older generation (our parents and grandparents) didn't know better, so in a sense they have an excuse because the damage has been done and it was acceptable back in their day.

Smoking generates far more money for the Treasury than it takes, indeed if smoking were banned your taxes would rise. But that said I have a question for you, should we also ban/in part ban fatty foods to 'save the taxpayer money'?

I am gay and a heavy Marijuana and Tobacco smoker (sadly). Passive smoking is harmful none the less - you would have to be a bigot (and by the looks of it, you are - even if you can 'respect' other people opinions and free rights) if you disagree. ESPECIALLY in a closed environment.

Also, people like you looking at drag queens in hate , are affected by their own self-ignorance.
People inhaling second hand smoke (cancer causing or not), are affected by other peoples self-ignorance.
Where is said freedom you speak of?

Oh deary me it isn't harmful (SHS), please see the evidence on the topic rather than what Whitehall, the MSM and Brussels feeds you. As for my opposition to drag queens which is getting into anothet topic itself, its not due to 'self-ignorance' I just don't like the behaviour as I find it strange and creepy but I wouldn't dare ban it or support a ban on it because thats a free society.

I've often found those who shout about 'bigotry' or 'ignorance' are ignorant themselves.

You sound uneducated and unaware (even if you are not, just comes across that way)
Re-posting - ''again watch the clip'' isn't really a counter-argument :/ You can't just focus all your opinions on ONE youtube video, have you done any other research? If so I would like see the sources

Here are the statistics laid out for you; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1556...-notebook.html

In 1998 and 2003 came the results of by far the biggest studies of passive smoking ever carried out. One was conducted by the International Agency for Research on Cancer, part of the World Health Organisation. The other, run by Prof James Enstrom and Geoffrey Kabat for the American Cancer Society, was a mammoth 40-year-long study of 35,000 non-smokers living with smokers. In each case, when the sponsors saw the results they were horrified. The evidence inescapably showed that passive smoking posed no significant risk. This confirmed Sir Richard Doll's own comment in 2001: "The effects of other people's smoking in my presence is so small it doesn't worry me".

In each case, the sponsors tried to suppress the results, which were only with difficulty made public (the fact that Enstrom and Kabat, both non-smokers, could only get their results published with help from the tobacco industry was inevitably used to discredit them, even though all their research had been financed by the anti-tobacco cancer charity).

Smoking is a dirty habit, everyone should just get high and enjoy cancer free life haha. - it's proven that marijuana increases brain cells, unlike it's unhealthy brothers alcohol and cigarettes.. Too bad we are in a system which which cares about moneyover human life.

All are unhealthy just as drugs like Marijuana and Cannabis have effects on mental health. I'm not here to debate whether they are good for you or unhealthy as i've made that quite clear, i'm simply making the case that all of them should be allowed rather than this silly game you want to play which allows for dangerous drugs such as Cannabis etc to be legalised so you can turn your brain into mush whilst banning cigarettes under the pretext of 'for your own good'.

Its for your own good to stop smoking Marijuana yet i'm not going to attempt to stop you because its your choice. The same viewpoint applies to smokers, alcohol drinkers and everything else that I may dislike/disapprove of.

As big as your head may be you do not represent a large proportion of the british population deary

'Big head' says you of all people, but lets take a quick look at this,

I represent the majority who want to leave the EU, you represent the minority who want to stay in.
I represent the majority who want to curb immigration, you represent the minority who want the floodgates open.
I represent the majority who want less government interference, you represent the minority who want more.

The bottom line is that i'll take no lectures from a teenager with a wealthy family who moans about student fees but who flies around the world on expensive holidays that the rest of us could only dream of, no sir-ry.

[GeorginaxD]

Which is what i've been saying all along.

I guess you didn't get the joke.

Anyway, it seems pretty clear this thread is everyone vs Undertaker.

[GommeInc]

Smoking generates far more money for the Treasury than it takes, indeed if smoking were banned your taxes would rise. But that said I have a question for you, should we also ban/in part ban fatty foods to 'save the taxpayer money'?

Of course not, eating fatty foods has its benefits and doesn't make those around you stink But of course, life is filled with hypocritical comments. Though smoking raises a lot of money (tax wise), it's still a pretty vulgar habit but that's just how opinions operate. There doesn't seem to be any backing for reinstating smoking in pubs, possibly due to society slowly moving away from it. It was slowly becoming unpopular before the ban was ever put in place because non-smokers in their large numbers were put off by bars, clubs and pubs stinking of smoke (which now smell of vomit and body odour, but we shall ignore that )

People are allowed the choice, but ultimately smoking is an off putting habit for many people and you cannot please everyone. That said, I can not see the harm in some places allowing smoking inside in either special rooms or in the main communal area at the manager's discretion. Presumably they hold the keys to the business and understand what people do and do not want. Heck, more places might open up if they are smoker specific.

[iAdam]

No it does not, see again.



I will dispute it just as we can dispute that it causes cancer. I cannot believe the attitude of some people on here who think that they have a right to remove something which they do not like via the force of the law. It absolutely annoys the hell out of me, worse still these are the same people who talk about 'the dark days' of when homosexuality was banned - which in part is true because why should the government ban what people do in their own bedrooms or what people smoke in their own bars, clubs and pubs?


Do you drink or consume fatty foods? do you do what most guys do which involves the downstairs department? if the answer is yes to all three (which i'd put money on) then I suggest you clear up your dirty habits before you start lecturing the rest of society on what they can/cannot do on premises which you do not own.

How about it? maybe then, maybe then you can lecture us all.
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tl;dr

But, that post isn't worth the space in which it's kept. Smoking does cause health issues, you can't dispute it. 'Dirty' habits such as eating fatty foods only affect the one individual, not anyone else in the vicinity so therefore is up to the individual person. But when another person is put off going to a bar because of people smoking, then surely it's up to the person smoking to allow the person to have the free society in which they can enjoy themselves without having to breath in smoke. But maybe that's too common sensical.