wow are you serious

[Martin]

Well, the general manager has already said it was unfair to be punished for it.




May I have that apology now?

Edit:

I'd also like to pick you up on something you said



Are you suggesting that merely because someone is a member of general management, their opinion is correct all the time? if so, that contradicts hugely with what you previously said:

Then I take it he will be contacting myself, the forum manager and the member of general management who reported the post shortly and reversing the edit then

Once that has happened and it is clarified to me in that way then I will happilly apologise yes, however I still stand by my belief that it went against the rule and in the past many similar posts have been dealt with the same.

Until things are clarified in a clear way then I am entitled to use my own judgement based on the current rules and the way things have previously been done. Like I said, its a grey area really, but I still go by the reasons in my post as to why it would cause complications within a thread for it to be allowed to tell members they have broken a forum rule and attempt to explain why they have done so. It wouldn't hurt to be clarified however and I'm sure it will be!

@xxMATTGxx;

[The Don]

Then I take it he will be contacting myself, the forum manager and the member of general management who reported the post shortly and reversing the edit then

Once that has happened and it is clarified to me in that way then I will happilly apologise yes, however I still stand by my belief that it went against the rule and in the past many similar posts have been dealt with the same.

Until things are clarified in a clear way then I am entitled to use my own judgement based on the current rules and the way things have previously been done. Like I said, its a grey area really, but I still go by the reasons in my post as to why it would cause complications within a thread for it to be allowed to tell members they have broken a forum rule and attempt to explain why they have done so. It wouldn't hurt to be clarified however and I'm sure it will be!
@xxMATTGxx;

Again, another example of someone not understanding a simple thing called context.

It was painstakingly obvious to everyone that I was not trying to moderate someone, I was responding to his comment, it wasn't as if he posted something off topic and I picked up on it and told him he broke a rule, I corrected him because he himself put "this isn't off topic", I thought forums were discussion boards, Can't I have a discussion with someone?

I have reason to believe, including word from a staff member, that this was picked upon and used because certain staff members dislike me, which is fine, not everybody can be friends, but if you want to pick up on this rule so heavily, would you say this post @Chippiewill; is breaking this rule?

Not sure why you think you needed to write a two paragraph essay on a three word comment, I did not imply that it was not important for moderators to do their job. What I am very seriously against is the abuse and slander that they have been publicly taking in recent weeks, e.g. chris. which is completely unecessary. You have a problem with a specific moderator take it to the complaints forum, you have a problem with policy, PM Scott then PM Matt.

[Lee]

Again, another example of someone not understanding a simple thing called context.

It was painstakingly obvious to everyone that I was not trying to moderate someone, I was responding to his comment, it wasn't as if he posted something off topic and I picked up on it and told him he broke a rule, I corrected him because he himself put "this isn't off topic", I thought forums were discussion boards, Can't I have a discussion with someone?

I have reason to believe, including word from a staff member, that this was picked upon and used because certain staff members dislike me, which is fine, not everybody can be friends, but if you want to pick up on this rule so heavily, would you say this post @Chippiewill; is breaking this rule?

There's no need to exaggerate. I agree with Martin, and the rule itself because I know that if people start going round telling others they have broken the rules (which you did do - you've admitted it) then it can lead to arguments between the two members.

[Martin]

If we look at the context of your post then we could also argue that replying to an off topic post is also off topic, since it has nothing to do with what the thread was originally about (The HxHD Ban). It is merely lengthening the off topic discussion within the thread, and would have been far better dealt with had you used the report button instead, it really is best left alone and for it to be dealt with by moderators. You didn't add anything to your post to make it have any relation to the topic of the thread, other than telling the said member that their post was off topic.

I stand by what I said and I'm not going to discuss it further here, I'm sure it will be dealt with for you soon!

[The Don]

There's no need to exaggerate. I agree with Martin, and the rule itself because I know that if people start going round telling others they have broken the rules (which you did do - you've admitted it) then it can lead to arguments between the two members.

Are you incapable of following a discussion? @Martin; can you get the persons post and my response so people stop twisting what was said.

I didn't tell him he broke a rule, here is my exact quote.

Your post is completely off topic as it doesn’t add anything constructive to the thread and has nothing to do with any of the posts in here.

Which was in direct response to him stating "my post isn't off topic" when it was. There is no harm in correcting someone when they've said that

---------- Post added 11-05-2012 at 04:28 PM ----------

If we look at the context of your post then we could also argue that replying to an off topic post is also off topic, since it has nothing to do with what the thread was originally about (The HxHD Ban). It is merely lengthening the off topic discussion within the thread, and would have been far better dealt with had you used the report button instead, it really is best left alone and for it to be dealt with by moderators. You didn't add anything to your post to make it have any relation to the topic of the thread, other than telling the said member that their post was off topic.

I stand by what I said and I'm not going to discuss it further here, I'm sure it will be dealt with for you soon!

I did use the report button, and i posted it hoping it would merge with my other post unfortunately someone posted in-between.

Why can't mods admit when they're wrong?

[Samantha]

@Martin; can you read more of my post please? You seem to focus more on why I gave those examples and not the part where members are moderating. At the end of the day they may be in the wrong section and there may not be a rule against it but it still requires a moderators message to inform users that it has been been moved, merged or deleted because of such reason. These reasons are outlined by members who have said 'this thread is posted here' or 'this thread is posted in the wrong section' etc. They still mean the same thing although they're not technically rules. The members are still moderating regardless of a rule in place, the moderating to moderators rule is a rule though thus the members are breaking it.

I think I repeated myself a bit there but hopefully you got what I was saying. Not being rude just saying I didn't intend for the sold focus of my reply to be based on the examples I used.

[The Don]

Here's the kids post

Omg I'm famous.. and guess what!! It's true... Germany is going to win Euro 2012!

(This post is not off-topic because it is based on one of the screenshots within this topic)

here's my response

Your post is completely off topic as it doesn’t add anything constructive to the thread and has nothing to do with any of the posts in here.

Can quite clearly see I wasn't trying to be a moderator or anything of the sort, I was responding to an outlandish post and anyone who thinks otherwise is completely wrong

I did not mention any rules, nor the fact that he broke them, I was merely correcting him so that he knew for future reference.

[xxMATTGxx]

Technically he was posting back to what the guy actually said, not replying to post and just saying it's off-topic which is what the rule would normally cover.

[Martin]

Here's the kids post



here's my response



Can quite clearly see I wasn't trying to be a moderator or anything of the sort, I was responding to an outlandish post and anyone who thinks otherwise is completely wrong

I did not mention any rules, nor the fact that he broke them, I was merely correcting him so that he knew for future reference.

In which case you would be breaking this rule too?

A7. Do not post pointlessly ~ ~ Do not post off-topic ~ An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic or any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.

His post was not relevant to the topic of the thread, and thus neither was yours?

I guess thats why that particular rule is worded like that.

Letting members know why they have been in breach of a rule is a moderators job, and anyone else doing it could cause disruption within a thread, and drags away from the main thread topic even more. There are different ways of letting someone know they have broken a rule, and you have basically clarified it for him where it is not really your place to do so.

I think this is going round in circles and we're not really going to get anywhere fast, so I'm sure it will be resolved by Matt/Forum Management soon when a final decision is made.

[Samantha]

Technically he was posting back to what the guy actually said, not replying to post and just saying it's off-topic which is what the rule would normally cover.

Using that logic would you say those who say 'the thread is already here' or 'this thread is in the wrong forum' is also some form of moderating? As I fail to see how they aren't good examples of members moderating if this case is (a form).