The queen to meet former IRA member today

[dbgtz]

Alas, if you can't find anything through Google... The site I initially linked is one of the best that documents most crimes that the British done, the. A crudely made Poppy appeal image doesn't change that.

Surprised that 'Ballymurphy and Springhill massacre' 'Bloody Sunday' 'Shoot to Kill policy Northern Ireland' and a few of the victims didn't at least come up on Google though, they do for me.

I'd also like to add i'm not saying everything that IRA did was right, but to claim the British Army wasn't as bad/did things to protect others (as the poster who I first quoted did) is absolute none sense.

It does as it clearly shows a lack of knowledge about the British & our ways and the vast amounts of biasm it poses. To be honest, these events are most likely intel gone wrong as the shoot to kill policy would imply. I don't defend my countries action, just their motive.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'd also like to add i'm not saying everything that IRA did was right, but to claim the British Army wasn't as bad/did things to protect others (as the poster who I first quoted did) is absolute none sense.

Nobody here has claimed the British army is whiter than white, however to equate them with the IRA is absolute madness. I am against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, however I would never equate the US army with Al Qaeda because the two are entirely different (being that the US army at least as a noble political aim and the US army does fight fairly, apart from rogue isolated incidents like the ones you cite for the British army).

It does as it clearly shows a lack of knowledge about the British & our ways and the vast amounts of biasm it poses. To be honest, these events are most likely intel gone wrong as the shoot to kill policy would imply. I don't defend my countries action, just their motive.

The central themes you'll always notice when arguing with IRA sympathisers are that,

a) they're unable to accept that what the IRA did was wrong (killing innocent people).
b) they're unable to accept that the majority of people in Northern Ireland don't want to be a part of the Republic.
c) that British people actually don't think that everything the British army or government does is a good thing.

And no matter how many times you argue these things, they're unable to come to terms with them - mainly because most of it is emotional hyberbole based in the 1500s' as seen above.

[GommeInc]

I'm in two worlds with this. It's good that he's trying to build bridges even though the Queen is not at fault. It seems strange that he's acting like it's big of him to be meeting the Queen when it's the Queen that has more reason to be annoyed and angry at him.

[Alba]

You mean hundreds of years ago? true, but then lots of other things have occured - if we all based who we ought to fight on what happened hundreds of years ago then the Turks would still be fighting the Greeks and Hungarians, the British would be fighting the Italians, the French would be fighting the Spanish and Germans and the Saudis would be at war with Iraq, Iran and Jordan.

Forgetting about the 'Black and Tans'?

[Eoin247]

Ah lol you guys never change. How many times have you had this debate on habbox Dan? On topic. I think it's a great step forward. People around here are calling it the most important handshake in 30 years.

[AgnesIO]

Dont see how you can call the IRA Scum.. Im sorry but i just dont.

The fact you are suggesting that the IRA are not completely scum really makes me wonder what the hell is going through your head.

So true...

I love how the British Army can invade... but when people stand up for themself and fight fire with fire nobody is happy.

Look how many innocent people have been killed in iraq and afghan.. thanks to the british army.

The difference is here the people in the British Army who use guns are simply doing their jobs. Just like how a policeman arrests peoplex and a postman delivers letters. The IRA, are simply scumbags. McGuinness should be in prison, not deputy First Minister. The British Army generally fight for a cause by aiming to remove those fighting them. Now if you are telling me those men, women and children of Manchester were fighting them, then I would love to see this evidence.

This is purely at the site. It has zero credibility, especially when it hosts images like this:

QFT.

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Gotta say< i have no idea who you are deadmau5 - perhaps as I have only browsed during this mute thing, but let's just say first impression haven't been particularly flattering.

[DPS]

Gotta say< i have no idea who you are deadmau5 - perhaps as I have only browsed during this mute thing, but let's just say first impression haven't been particularly flattering.

Do you honestly think i could give a flying.. what you think about me? ... This is the internet im not here to be liked, im not here to make friends. end of.

[AgnesIO]

Do you honestly think i could give a flying.. what you think about me? ... This is the internet im not here to be liked, im not here to make friends. end of.

Being respected should be something you value. The whole "this is the internet" thing is old - an e-community is a form of community. Do you hold that same view in every other community?

Nevertheless, it was good of you to ignore the main points of the post!

[DPS]

Being respected should be something you value. The whole "this is the internet" thing is old - an e-community is a form of community. Do you hold that same view in every other community?

Nevertheless, it was good of you to ignore the main points of the post!

Nobody cares. get a life.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Ah lol you guys never change. How many times have you had this debate on habbox Dan? On topic. I think it's a great step forward. People around here are calling it the most important handshake in 30 years.

I debate this as strongly as I would if it were UVF sympathiers bleating about how the UVF killing innocent people is 'justified'. The targeting of innocent people for political ends is unacceptable in all circumstances. It is an important topic and often overlooked in mainstream political debate and that's why i'll always engage in it - because rarely is the side of law and order presented against those who believe murder is acceptable in politics.

No civilisation can claim to be such unless it upholds the basics of law - that those who murder the innocent ought to be punished. Until those in the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland can fully accept this basic principle, then we'll continue to be at loggerheads.