iOS 6 released

[Chippiewill]

I don't know what ads you're talking about because I've never seen advertisements when using Google maps on my Android or iOS devices and the portable version of maps doesn't have ads either.

The point being that if you're on iOS and use google maps you're not much more likely to use other (ad-supported) services provided by Google. Whereas if you're using iOS6 and you just recieved apple's turd of a mapping solution you're probably thinking "Well, I just got iOS6 and the mapping solution is not practical, my contract is nearly up and whilst an iPhone5 is nice the Galaxy S3 will have Google maps, I'll go for that instead. Suddenly they're in the google ecosystem with the following allowing for money making potetial:

- Google Default Search on home, browsers etc.
- Google Drive used for lots of file storage solutions
- Gmail main email app
- Google Calendar main calendar app meaning people may be tempted to access it via desktop browser
- Google+ default social network stuff, more people use it, more potential to monetise it
- Default google music app, music purchasable through play store music ownership proxy with google
- Google Maps and GPS learn your home location, google searches on DESKTOP more targetted to your location and therefore more targetted ads (I've had information about sports fixtures show up on my phone due to searches on desktop, no reason to assume the opposite doesn't happen).

Loads of google defaults, loads more statistical data to google, more targetted ads, more effective ads, more click-throughs per ad.

Google's business plan is people using the internet with their services, Android encourages this behaviour.

[GommeInc]

Tim Cook:

Well that statement was pointless. Typical corporate dribble, stating "loads of people are using Maps" as if that's meant to suggest Maps is a success for Apple. Their Maps App needs a lot of work, and if Cook had any brains he would of held off releasing an unfinished product. You wouldn't see companies that actually practice "perfection" releasing a half-arsed product, bore their consumers with the details about how many people use it and not really apologise for the inconvenience when it goes wrong. They shouldn't of released that statement, proper PR would be acknowledging there is a problem and saying work is being done to make it better, and to not go on a self-righteous streak mid-"apology" as is the case here.

Jobs has been rolling around so much in his grave lately one can only assume there's now a trench in the cemetary he's buried in :/

EDIT: Google Now is amazing in the UK. It's shockingly accurate in most cities which have bus timetables available for phones (non-existent in villages and small towns). As for traffic information and turn-by-turn navigations, it's on par with my TomTom.

[HotelUser]

Well that statement was pointless. Typical corporate dribble, stating "loads of people are using Maps" as if that's meant to suggest Maps is a success for Apple. Their Maps App needs a lot of work, and if Cook had any brains he would of held off releasing an unfinished product. You wouldn't see companies that actually practice "perfection" releasing a half-arsed product, bore their consumers with the details about how many people use it and not really apologise for the inconvenience when it goes wrong. They shouldn't of released that statement, proper PR would be acknowledging there is a problem and saying work is being done to make it better, and to not go on a self-righteous streak mid-"apology" as is the case here.

Jobs has been rolling around so much in his grave lately one can only assume there's now a trench in the cemetary he's buried in :/

EDIT: Google Now is amazing in the UK. It's shockingly accurate in most cities which have bus timetables available for phones (non-existent in villages and small towns). As for traffic information and turn-by-turn navigations, it's on par with my TomTom.

Apple high up admits his company made a mistake and you think it's a bad thing. Typical anti-Apple Gomme, I guess haters gonna hate

The point being that if you're on iOS and use google maps you're not much more likely to use other (ad-supported) services provided by Google. Whereas if you're using iOS6 and you just recieved apple's turd of a mapping solution you're probably thinking "Well, I just got iOS6 and the mapping solution is not practical, my contract is nearly up and whilst an iPhone5 is nice the Galaxy S3 will have Google maps, I'll go for that instead. Suddenly they're in the google ecosystem with the following allowing for money making potetial:

- Google Default Search on home, browsers etc.
- Google Drive used for lots of file storage solutions
- Gmail main email app
- Google Calendar main calendar app meaning people may be tempted to access it via desktop browser
- Google+ default social network stuff, more people use it, more potential to monetise it
- Default google music app, music purchasable through play store music ownership proxy with google
- Google Maps and GPS learn your home location, google searches on DESKTOP more targetted to your location and therefore more targetted ads (I've had information about sports fixtures show up on my phone due to searches on desktop, no reason to assume the opposite doesn't happen).

Loads of google defaults, loads more statistical data to google, more targetted ads, more effective ads, more click-throughs per ad.

Google's business plan is people using the internet with their services, Android encourages this behaviour.

Ah I see what you mean by advertisements now.

Theres loads of positives about Android but there's also loads of pros about iOS too (hence that crazy amount of people who bought iPhone fives). The Galaxy lineup and the iDevice lineup are two excellent lines of hardware backed by great software but at the end of the day I just don't think a worse maps app on iOS is going to hurt Apple in a great way. Sure it looks bad on Apple but it's a minor infraction which will likely be fixed sooner or later and by the time the next new iPhone or iPad is pushed out Apple will probably set another record breaking sales record again. If Apple did something to cause more product performance inconsistencies then I would question their future more seriously (such as Palm or RIM) but a year from now I bet nobody is going to really care that there was one poor Apple app out of the countless functional ones.



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[GommeInc]

Apple high up admits his company made a mistake and you think it's a bad thing. Typical anti-Apple Gomme, I guess haters gonna hate

You would notice that I said their apology seems half-arsed and non-existent. If anything it was self-praising that so many people use the App. An apology has to have some sort of feeling, and in this case they've done their usual apology protocol and that's praise themselves on a faulty product Saying you are "extremely sorry" then going on to praise how many people are using the App isn't an apology - it would of been if they said that they are committed to fixing any wrongs, but for now they seem to just be happy with themselves for disrupting their consumers by removing a relatively stable App and replacing with their faulty, half-finished App.

Wasn't it you who said a "forced apology isn't a genuine apology"? What makes this apology genuine? Because as far as the statement goes, it's not an apology - just an acknowledgement.

[HotelUser]

You would notice that I said their apology seems half-arsed and non-existent. If anything it was self-praising that so many people use the App. An apology has to have some sort of feeling, and in this case they've done their usual apology protocol and that's praise themselves on a faulty product Saying you are "extremely sorry" then going on to praise how many people are using the App isn't an apology - it would of been if they said that they are committed to fixing any wrongs, but for now they seem to just be happy with themselves for disrupting their consumers by removing a relatively stable App and replacing with their faulty, half-finished App.

Wasn't it you who said a "forced apology isn't a genuine apology"? What makes this apology genuine? Because as far as the statement goes, it's not an apology - just an acknowledgement.

I think it's genuine enough because they didn't have to apologize, and because it's on behalf of a large group of individuals. I'm sure there are Apple employees themselves who aren't happy with the quality of maps. Apple could have just ignored the users completely and they still would have been perfectly fine, but they chose not to and chose to admit to a mistake they made.

When it comes down to brass tax in the end though I genuinely don't care about how awful maps is because as a consumer I just choose to use google maps (not going to bother upgrading until I can jailbreak and thus get gmaps natively) or when Google maps lets me down I'll just do what my grandparents did and look at bus schedules posted at bus terminals

[GommeInc]

I'll just do what my grandparents did and look at bus schedules posted at bus terminals

Oh indeed that's a wise idea. I wouldn't believe everything Google Now/Maps says. Besides, once you follow what either says about bus times you could just get to the Bus Stop and read what it says about times

[HotelUser]

Oh indeed that's a wise idea. I wouldn't believe everything Google Now/Maps says. Besides, once you follow what either says about bus times you could just get to the Bus Stop and read what it says about times

Nobody except the bus company is good at giving me right bus times, and even they compensate poorly for rush hour traffic!

[GommeInc]

Nobody except the bus company is good at giving me right bus times, and even they compensate poorly for rush hour traffic!

It seems to be a habit with us Commonwealth/English speakers. Only mainland Europe and Asian countries really know how to work public transport effectively and timetable accordingly

One issue I can think of with Google Now and Google Maps is that it only takes into consideration bus stops that are nearby and nothing more. So for bus stops near me in Canterbury, it takes into account the two bus stops that go straight to the bus station which are on the same side of the road. It doesn't bother looking up the bus stop that goes in the opposite direction, about 25-50 metres away (outside it's range) which goes the opposite direction of the bus station. Not sure if that makes sense, but I'm not in the mood to draw a diagram

^ Not sure if Google will ever fix that.