Debunking: Anne Frank Died in Bergen Belsen

[FlyingJesus]

I answered ALL your rebuttals and said what I had to say

No you 100% did not, you made half-hearted statements that didn't even address the points at hand and then claimed that I was using ad hominems.

since you claim every time my points are ridiculous.

Literally the only time I have said anything is ridiculous is when you claimed that if an area has a lot of a certain disease, anyone with that disease must have been there... which is ridiculous. You did the same with The Don pretending he'd called your post nonsense despite never having used the word at all (although ironically, I did). Try not making things up in order to pretend people are attacking you when they're actually just pointing out the problems with your theories. The only one making things personal here is you, and the one who sent this off track in the first place was you

Stop being a child and debate me or leave, please.

I have done, you didn't respond properly and then started lying about my intentions

[MightyMagician]

No you 100% did not, you made half-hearted statements that didn't even address the points at hand and then claimed that I was using ad hominems.



Literally the only time I have said anything is ridiculous is when you claimed that if an area has a lot of a certain disease, anyone with that disease must have been there... which is ridiculous. You did the same with The Don pretending he'd called your post nonsense despite never having used the word at all (although ironically, I did). Try not making things up in order to pretend people are attacking you when they're actually just pointing out the problems with your theories. The only one making things personal here is you, and the one who sent this off track in the first place was you



I have done, you didn't respond properly and then started lying about my intentions

Good God man! I already told you to drop this and stay on topic, and a mod has already agreed. Just stick to what's relevant to the OP and continue there.

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[FlyingJesus]

Fantastic, I just did that and again you've ignored it - getting a disease that is prevalent in a certain place does not mean you must have been there

Although it would be nice to have an apology for your lies

[Kyle]

Good God man! I already told you to drop this and stay on topic, and a mod has already agreed. Just stick to what's relevant to the OP and continue there.

Recognise that there were no fallacies in his post and respond to the facts rather than the way in which they were presented. Also don't cite the diary as a source of you have neither read it nor know where the person who did read it got their ideas from in the first place :p

Their mother died of starvation because she surrendered what little nutrition she had to keep her children alive, they got on a train and died at the camp.

[GommeInc]

I can't help but think this is one of those debates which is purely one-sided where any counter-arguments goes in one ear and out the other. How can this possibly be a debate if the person wanting it just ignores everything everyone has to say? This just seems like the ramblings of an obsessive individual bent on their conspiracy theories based on something that is dead and buried. I swear this is the third time this has appeared and it goes no where :/

[Empired]

I guess that goes the same for Elie Wiesel, who identified himself in a Buchenwald barracks photo?

Shock! One person had a photograph taken of them, therefore they all must have done! Of course! Why did I not think like that before?

But seriously, your argument is flawed. One person cannot be representative of millions of people. Using one single example to come to conclusions about millions of people will not get you far.
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[Sian]

I didn't know googling things made them absolute fact. The Internet is full of lies. And a 250 page book is tiny.

I do believe they died at belsen. Even with a weak immune system they could have survived until then.

[Firehorse]

Some solid points to consider:

-There is absolutely nothing consistent that proves without a doubt that Anne and her sister died in the concentration camps, especially Bergen Belsen. I've tried, I really have - but there are no photos of Anne or Margot Frank in Bergen Belsen, not even in the barracks. There are no signed documents from the Nazi's that confirm either of them died. No bodies were ever found, despite those who supposedly dumped the bodies wrapped them in identifiable white sheets. No photos of the dead bodies, no videos either.
-In 1945 when Janny Brandes contacted Otto Frank that both Anne and Margot died and that they buried their bodies, Otto Frank made no attempt to try and find their bodies, ever. Not even until he died. The thing is, Janny used white sheets where others were not wrapped in such ways, so it would make sense that during that summer he'd know the exact grave they were buried in, given she was in all 3 camps with them. The only reason Otto Frank wouldn't have wanted a proper burial would be if there was no body to be found.
-Despite being given credible info from Irma Menkel and Janny Brandes, it still took Miep Gies nearly 10 years to have her death on paper.
-The fact that Anne Frank is not seen in any Bergen Belsen photos is evidence she wasn't there for long, and likely got transferred to Theresienstadt in the Czech Republic.
-Auschwitz was a factory of typhus and starvation deaths. Typhus was so rampant in the camp that pesticide had to be used to somewhat control it, but it still caused people to die. If Anne Frank died of typhus, she died in Auschwitz, yet records prove she was sent to Bergen Belsen.
-After the war, the diary of Margot Frank went missing and has never been found - where did it go? The Nazis, nor Otto Frank and any of the helper took it, so who does that leave? Anne and Margot.

Challenge: Find me something solid Anne Frank died in Bergen Belsen, be it a photo, document, or video.

Good luck

I don't get your obsession with trying to disprove various Jews were killed by the Nazis or how they were killed.

You want photos? Here are your ******* photos (Graphic content):

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http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Bergen...Belsen05B.html

From the same page:

the majority of the deaths were from typhus.

Wikipedia also states up to 35,000 people died from Typhus in the camp. Why do you state she had to be in Auschwitz to have died of Typhus? What is your source?

Why don't you take a visit to these camps, especially Auschwitz, before you start trying to rewrite history.

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[MightyMagician]

Recognise that there were no fallacies in his post and respond to the facts rather than the way in which they were presented. Also don't cite the diary as a source of you have neither read it nor know where the person who did read it got their ideas from in the first place :p

Their mother died of starvation because she surrendered what little nutrition she had to keep her children alive, they got on a train and died at the camp.

This is long overdue but I'm going to post anyways. Truthfully, I responded to FlyingJesus 2 pages ago, but since my multi-quote kills suck, my replies were stuck inside a single post quote that was included in my reply to multiple posters who had previously replied. I edited the post to point out my error and have a mod fix it, but nobody did.

Regarding Edith Frank: The amount of food given still would not have been enough to feed 2 kids knowing that the average prisoner could have been living on a 400 calorie diet minimum. This would mean that Anne and Margot could have been living on a 600 calorie diet at minimum, enough to cause starvation.

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Shock! One person had a photograph taken of them, therefore they all must have done! Of course! Why did I not think like that before?

But seriously, your argument is flawed. One person cannot be representative of millions of people. Using one single example to come to conclusions about millions of people will not get you far.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elie_Wiesel#/media/File:Buchenwald_Slave_Laborers_Liberation.jpg

Elie Wiesel used to photo of several Buchenwald inmates to point himself out. In similar fashion, photos of Bergen Belsen barracks are an easy find on Google. None of those seem to have Anne or Margot there.

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I didn't know googling things made them absolute fact. The Internet is full of lies. And a 250 page book is tiny.

I do believe they died at belsen. Even with a weak immune system they could have survived until then.

But being at Birkenau raised the chances of typhus, which I addressed above.

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I don't get your obsession with trying to disprove various Jews were killed by the Nazis or how they were killed.

You want photos? Here are your ******* photos (Graphic content):

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http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Bergen...Belsen05B.html

From the same page:



Wikipedia also states up to 35,000 people died from Typhus in the camp. Why do you state she had to be in Auschwitz to have died of Typhus? What is your source?

Why don't you take a visit to these camps, especially Auschwitz, before you start trying to rewrite history.

Thread edited by OddKrAtNo (Trialist Forum Moderator): Please remember to use badspoilers when necessary, thanks.

I asked for photos of 2 people, and you gave me a single photo of multiple unrelated people. Lots of people survived Bergen Belsen, including kids, like Hanneli Goslar. I simply stated Anne and Margot were likely sent to Theresienstadt. Please don't accuse me of being ignorant. Thank you.

[MightyMagician]

Whoops. Forgot the link given to me had several photos. Doesn't matter though.