Does rape culture exist or is it a feminist fantasy?

[CaptainKilt]

@FlyingJesus; Could you provide some citations for these statistics that you seem to have?

You're right I linked a specific page on the website when referring to a quote. However, the specific context of which was being presented was not the website. It was the quote. I think that's rather obvious.

Again, asking for a source or a citation, you assume I haven't done outside research on this topic and are claiming some pretty extreme things that I feel many people would disagree with.

With your final paragraph, that claim within itself is an example or a "Rape Culture". I have very very rarely walked down the street at anytime of the day or night and felt that I was in real danger. You seem to really love facts! However, I've yet to see a source for your facts and I find this troubling when saying such controversial things without some sort of backing from a proper source.

[FlyingJesus]

You're still trying to claim that feeling a certain way is indicative of reality... Irrational fears don't exist? Ok well anyway here you go

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism...ered-violence/
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
http://www.mediaradar.org/docs/Dutto...gmInDV-Pt1.pdf
http://lab.drdondutton.com/wp-conten...s-paradigm.pdf
http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID45-PR45.pdf
http://www.kidscape.org.uk/assets/do...ofchildren.pdf
Transcript of a talk on how males are overwhelmingly more likely to be attacked, with sources for stats

http://www.hrw.org/news/2007/12/15/u...ad-prison-rape
http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/svpjri0809.pdf
Prison rape as a widespread problem and one that's massively overlooked - the actual existence of a rape culture, not "oh my that chap looked at me"

http://www.cdc.gov/violencepreventio...port2010-a.pdf
http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rig...ulnerable-men/
Source of sexual assault figures and article analysing the raw data to show that female-on-male rape rates in at 40% of all cases if you don't hide your head in the sand and pretend that it can't happen (and another more in-depth reasoning here)

And if you're actually interested in learning about this subject rather than just wanting to be right, here's an absolutely fantastic essay debunking the many claims of "rape culture" in the West. I'm not saying anything extreme at all, it's just that the majority of people are happy to simply believe that women are victims and men are aggressors without ever actually looking into any figures, which is a very dangerous way to make decisions on what to think

[buttons]

However, there are several facets of life that would, in a sense, overlook at or thoughts or jokes around rape. Making jokes that allude to or even mention rape can all be examples of foster a rape culture. By allowing things like rape to be funny or used in a humour context you allow yourself to view something such as a rape as a joke or you normalize it. Thus creating a rape culture.

In regards to the alienation of white western males that the OP mentioned... The "Feminist movement" doesn't involve jut women. All and any individual can be a feminist or a part of the feminist movement. All feminism is is the desire for equal rights between all gender and non-gender identifying individuals regardless of what that gender or non-gender may be. (Now this is just one of many definitions however continues to be the most prominent and popular.)

uhh many of the people making rape jokes are rape victims/survivors. it can be a coping mechanism and no-one has a right to deny them of that. i don't mind people making rape jokes and i find "daddy issues" or "absent father" jokes hilarious.

[GommeInc]

uhh many of the people making rape jokes are rape victims/survivors. it can be a coping mechanism and no-one has a right to deny them of that. i don't mind people making rape jokes and i find "daddy issues" or "absent father" jokes hilarious.

Precisely. It is why you get black comedians joking about racism and white supremacy when they have been the victim of it. It makes the actual racists (or rapists) seem pathetic, which helps those making the jokes feel better because they know they are better than their attackers.

[FlyingJesus]

Woman supposedly attacked at feminist rally for holding up a sign stating that rape culture is not a thing in the west, plenty of "BUT I GOT CATCALLED" responses on facebook but no-one actually able to counter the point that we don't have rallies against murder culture or theft culture or any other widespread crime - which realistically shows that rape is the one crime so reviled that if anything we live in an abundant consent culture

[The Don]

Woman supposedly attacked at feminist rally for holding up a sign stating that rape culture is not a thing in the west, plenty of "BUT I GOT CATCALLED" responses on facebook but no-one actually able to counter the point that we don't have rallies against murder culture or theft culture or any other widespread crime - which realistically shows that rape is the one crime so reviled that if anything we live in an abundant consent culture

I agree with your view on the topic itself but i think it's slightly disingenuous to make a point based on the lack of protest over other severe crimes.

[FlyingJesus]

Why? It shows that we clearly don't tolerate rape at all, so we obviously aren't in any way part of a rape culture

[The Don]

Why? It shows that we clearly don't tolerate rape at all, so we obviously aren't in any way part of a rape culture

Not really as i'd wager the people campaigning against 'rape culture' are a negligible minority when talking about society in general so it's a bit of a stretch to draw any comparison over

[FlyingJesus]

Society in general does abhor rape though, to the point where it's considered shocking to say something like "I'll rape you!" but not "I'll kill you!" even if both are very clearly hyperbole, and no-one seriously suggests that we live in a society that promotes murder for it

[The Don]

Society in general does abhor rape though, to the point where it's considered shocking to say something like "I'll rape you!" but not "I'll kill you!" even if both are very clearly hyperbole, and no-one seriously suggests that we live in a society that promotes murder for it

Yeah I agree about society abhorring rape in general although a lot of people do use rape in slang. For example in the context of winning/beating someone else on something such as "I raped nick on fifa last night!". The point I was trying to make was that the fact that rape is campaigned against more than all other crimes doesn't make arguments about rape culture itself invalid. We have a society that campaigns heavily against bullying too, to the point of having an annual 'anti-bullying' week in schools. Clearly bullying still exists and I would even say a 'bullying culture' exists in schools due to the sheer amount of people that either passively participate or idly sit by and do nothing. The fact that bullying is campaigned against doesn't remove the fact that it exists and is very much a part of school culture, much the same that the fact there are more people actively campaigning against a 'rape culture' than any other crime doesn't invalidate the argument, the fact that they're wrong does