Which political view is best for Britain?

[StefanWolves]

i wanted to remove you so i could see what crap you have been writing up on just lately.

who are you trying to impress may i ask? it isn't like david cameron is watching the forum.

btw i don't scan threads for what you have written, it simply comes up on subscribed threads in the usercp when people have posted in threads that i have written in, so i just check and read.

[Jordy]

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*REMOVED* everytime someone (usually undertaker) posts a well-structured argument and you then go on to personally attack him.

I don't really understand Poll tax at all hence why I'm not getting involved for once, I can freely admit that so I'm not going to argue for the sake of it or just copy what Wikipedia essentially says. Why can't you just keep out of arguments you know nothing about and come back when you do.

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[StefanWolves]

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[Jippz]

You haven't provided any proof on socialism in the 1970s and why you think it would work, and you haven't replied either to my point of millions dead from socialism - when you are going to reply to these points?

As for party politics, no it wasn't Labours fault the downturn, however they have refused to cut spending when debt is rising, they have nationalised the banks with our money yet the banks are still not lending to small business and last of all they put us in a position of having no money before this crash, its like knowing a storm is coming but not taking an umbrella outside.

The Conservatives have not slated Labour over expenses, as neither party is in a position to do so. Where have you got this from? - oh you just made it up. Your right both were just as bad as eachother concerning expenses, but would you care to find me a source where the Conservative Party has a go at Labour over the expenses?

The Conservatives have criticised the government and the House of Commons for its handling of the issue, but they have noT labelled Labour corrupt as that would be hypocrisy at its worst.

Socialism rarely comes into power, so yes millions have died from it. Capitalism is a widely used system, so you tell me, how many people have died from capitalism?
How many poor men in the gutter? How many crackheads that 'don't deserve a second chance'? How many people who can't afford health insurance? Capitalism also kills. But because it doesn't kill on isolated shocking incidents nobody notices it, with socialism it's a socialist caused death. With Capitalism it's a death. The reason socialism has killed in the east is not because of the belief it is because of the people in power who it benefits.

It's like Gordon Brown is trying to sort the mess out while David Cameron stands there and shouts in his ear.

[Mentor]

To lazy to read entire thread but i will point out, old labor was socialist and we did pretty well under them. The NHS, welfair state and all those other great instritions we have in the UK are also socialist in princible. But being socialist doesnt take away from the fact we are also captitalist and a democrasy? so that poll makes no sense o.0

[-:Undertaker:-]

Socialism rarely comes into power, so yes millions have died from it. Capitalism is a widely used system, so you tell me, how many people have died from capitalism?
How many poor men in the gutter? How many crackheads that 'don't deserve a second chance'? How many people who can't afford health insurance? Capitalism also kills. But because it doesn't kill on isolated shocking incidents nobody notices it, with socialism it's a socialist caused death. With Capitalism it's a death. The reason socialism has killed in the east is not because of the belief it is because of the people in power who it benefits.

It's like Gordon Brown is trying to sort the mess out while David Cameron stands there and shouts in his ear.

People die under all systems, however the number who will of died under capitalism would be nothing compared to socialism, you only have to look at the state of the economies in socialist countrys. I have said it before and i'll say it again; capitalism isn't perfect, but its a damn sight better than socialism.

David Cameron has no power at this moment in time, he is leader of the opposition so the more he shouts, the more he is doing his job. That is the whole point of being HM Opposition.

To lazy to read entire thread but i will point out, old labor was socialist and we did pretty well under them. The NHS, welfair state and all those other great instritions we have in the UK are also socialist in princible. But being socialist doesnt take away from the fact we are also captitalist and a democrasy? so that poll makes no sense o.0

I agree, some socialist things in principal such as National Health Service and the Welfare system are perfect ideas if managed properly (which at the moment I do not think they are), they are the safety nets if you will, for everyone and they are well appreciated. However that is the best socialism really extends to in my view and in the view of history, big government just doesn't work and never will do.

The poll makes no sense aye, should of been generalised to a right wing, centre and left wing option/s.

[Jippz]

People die under all systems, however the number who will of died under capitalism would be nothing compared to socialism, you only have to look at the state of the economies in socialist countrys. I have said it before and i'll say it again; capitalism isn't perfect, but its a damn sight better than socialism.

David Cameron has no power at this moment in time, he is leader of the opposition so the more he shouts, the more he is doing his job. That is the whole point of being HM Opposition.

I don't like labour. Nor do i like conservative. I like what labour once was, because what it once was made our country a better place to live in. Have you seen SiCKO? That's what our country would've been like if we'd never had British Socialism. British Socialism saves lives.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't like labour. Nor do i like conservative. I like what labour once was, because what it once was made our country a better place to live in. Have you seen SiCKO? That's what our country would've been like if we'd never had British Socialism. British Socialism saves lives.

That was not really socialism, socialism can last for so long but after a while it collapses as it cannot last. All socialist states are and have been left behind about one hundred years compared to other countrys. The only good thing 'socialism' brought to this country was the NHS and Welfare, the rest just set us back.

Just take a look at South Korea and North Korea.

[Jippz]

Like my ignored point before said, the rulers in the east that use socialism are corrupt and use it to their benefit. People in this country like the marvellous Tony Benn could save us.

[Mentor]

I agree, some socialist things in principal such as National Health Service and the Welfare system are perfect ideas if managed properly (which at the moment I do not think they are), they are the safety nets if you will, for everyone and they are well appreciated. However that is the best socialism really extends to in my view and in the view of history, big government just doesn't work and never will do.

Historically no system of governments ever lasted forever, big or small. I cant remember who said it, possibly Obama, but the point is valid. "It doesn't matter if a government is big or small, just that it works"

What i do think though is the powers a government can wield should be limited, for example basic human rights should not be something a government can get rid of on a whim (kinda like what labour is doing right now unfortunately)

Honestly though, my votes may well head off towards the pirate party if the uk version gets its act together and starts running. Not because i want them to win, but because them getting a noteworthy % in an election sends a powerful message to the bigger partys to rethink there stances on these issues. Primarily in respect to their policies on privacy and basic freedoms, as opposed to there views on copyright and patent laws (although i agree with a lot of this as well)