Doctor Who - Series 6.

[Accipiter]

Also I loved Rivers little speech when she was opening the door :')

[Thomas]

missed it :@

[Fez]

On Confidential they just said they're filming the White House scenes...

For Episodes One and Two...

[Accipiter]

Canton, isn't he the cross roads demon in Supernatural

Absolutely love his acting if it is

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Mmm he is, hope he stays in the series for more than the 1st 2 episodes I love him

[Chippiewill]

("TUNE IN NEXT WEEK CLIFFHANG CLIFFHANG CLIFFHANG ETC.")

Of course there's a cliffhanger, it's a two parter.



Canton, isn't he the cross roads demon in Supernatural

Absolutely love his acting if it is

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Mmm he is, hope he stays in the series for more than the 1st 2 episodes I love him

I personally know him as the guy who plays the lawyer off of BattleStar: Galactica.

[iBlueBox]

The Little Girl:

The little girl at the end of part two, is seen in an alley starting to regenerate

[sophiethenerd]

I think the little girl in the space suit was Amy's daughter.
That was a phenomenal episode of who.:D

[Moh]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00gk4l1
OMG, that would be so scary. Every time she sees one, she adds an extra one. She starts off with a few, the ends up with loads and can't remember any of it!

[Fez]

Of course there's a cliffhanger, it's a two parter.

I mean when it's River Song at the end of The Big Bang going YOU'LL FIND OUT IN LITERALLY A YEAR'S TIME.

[smiffy70]

basically I read in the paper that someone dies in the first 20 mins, was that today or on the next ep?

[Chris]

basically I read in the paper that someone dies in the first 20 mins, was that today or on the next ep?

That was today, it was the doctor who died.

[iBlueBox]

Would you say that for a family show Doctor Who is getting a bit confusing? I mean a large number of the audience is younger 10?

I mean I love that its confusing as it creates a lot of speculation and keeps my mind working for ages trying to figure it out!

[Michael]

Would you say that for a family show Doctor Who is getting a bit confusing? I mean a large number of the audience is younger 10?

I mean I love that its confusing as it creates a lot of speculation and keeps my mind working for ages trying to figure it out!

The ending would of confused alot of young kids and they would be like 'why did she shoot her?'

[Chris]

Would you say that for a family show Doctor Who is getting a bit confusing? I mean a large number of the audience is younger 10?

I mean I love that its confusing as it creates a lot of speculation and keeps my mind working for ages trying to figure it out!

Yeah, since tennant left, Ive noticed the episodes have become a lot more confusing.

[dbgtz]

Someone just explain to me what the hell happened.

I find it funny how Amy is now a consistent character, it only took a marriage and a scary alien.

I'll forgive you Moffat when you tell me RIVER IS AMY'S CHILD AAHHHHHH. AND THE DOCTOR KNOCKED HER UP YO.


Would you say that for a family show Doctor Who is getting a bit confusing? I mean a large number of the audience is younger 10?

I mean I love that its confusing as it creates a lot of speculation and keeps my mind working for ages trying to figure it out!

I think apart from a few things (like how the doctors alive), only a few things will confuse children. To be honest, remembering how I watched shows I hardly understood half the stuff but I still loved the freaking shows.


Yeah, since tennant left, Ive noticed the episodes have become a lot more confusing.

New head writer

[iBlueBox]

Just an idea! Right,

So The Silence have been on earth, since the start of the human race right? watching our moves, and carefully directing us so.

Maybe The Silence are a race, what crashed, at the start of our creation, would explain the tunnels, been monitoring our history to go into certain paths, Because they're stuck, they need a way to get back, So they're now in 1969 america the year of man on the moon, so the silence have changed our history, so that we developed that technology and they've always been watching The Doctor, and modelled a TARDIS so they could leave? aka the lodger TARDIS?

[Accipiter]

The Little Girl:

The little girl at the end of part two, is seen in an alley starting to regenerate

What if The Silence have more powers than they're showing, they saw the Dr regenerate maybe they can replicate things after seeing them?

[Moh]

Also, in the trailer for this series, we see the old tardis. Dunno if that's anything to do with this episode or not

LOL at this American on IMDB. He thinks that the show was taken over by BBC America and was saying the show is so much better now. All BBC America did was do the filming and paid for their team (camera men and transport and some of their cast).

Don't even think BBC America added to the budget, wasn't the budget cut slightly?

[dbgtz]

Also, in the trailer for this series, we see the old tardis. Dunno if that's anything to do with this episode or not

LOL at this American on IMDB. He thinks that the show was taken over by BBC America and was saying the show is so much better now. All BBC America did was do the filming and paid for their team (camera men and transport and some of their cast).

Don't even think BBC America added to the budget, wasn't the budget cut slightly?

Well the BBC is the BBC, all the money is from the same company so it doesn't matter where the money comes from... Besides, BBC America just airs the BBCs shows and british shows as far as I'm aware? In the think to recieve the grant from the government they have to deliver british tv to the world or something.

[peteyt]

Just an idea! Right,

So The Silence have been on earth, since the start of the human race right? watching our moves, and carefully directing us so.

Maybe The Silence are a race, what crashed, at the start of our creation, would explain the tunnels, been monitoring our history to go into certain paths, Because they're stuck, they need a way to get back, So they're now in 1969 america the year of man on the moon, so the silence have changed our history, so that we developed that technology and they've always been watching The Doctor, and modelled a TARDIS so they could leave? aka the lodger TARDIS?

While I enjoyed today's episode it did bring a question.

If the tunnels where there wouldn't they have been found when deep into the earth and finding the Sillurians?

[Moh]

While I enjoyed today's episode it did bring a question.

If the tunnels where there wouldn't they have been found when deep into the earth and finding the Sillurians?If they found the tunnels, they probably ran into The Silence and forgot.

Best quote this series?

Doctor: Fellars, the guns? I Just wanted into the highest security office in the USA. Parked a big blue box on the rug. You think you can just shoot me?

River: THEY'RE AMERICANS!

Doctor: Don’t shoot. Definitely no shooting!

[peteyt]

I do hope they explain how the silence caused the cracks and why

[Moh]

I do hope they explain how the silence caused the cracks and why
Cracks were caused by the tardis exploding.

[peteyt]

Cracks were caused by the tardis exploding.

We know that but we also know the silence caused them "Silence will fall."

So obviously the question left is why and how

[iBlueBox]

In the vampires of venice episode.

The women, forgot her name says something along

'' Through Cracks we saw Silence ''

[dbgtz]

In the vampires of venice episode.

The women, forgot her name says something along

'' Through Cracks we saw Silence ''

but through the cracks we saw a giant eye... that episode doesnt really make much sense in terms of cracks imo, I mean he escaped through it whereas things like the angels and stuff were wiped from existence

[iBlueBox]

but through the cracks we saw a giant eye... that episode doesnt really make much sense in terms of cracks imo, I mean he escaped through it whereas things like the angels and stuff were wiped from existence

I'ld say that, because the cracks where through the fabrics of the universe, everything you would see through one would be different.

[dbgtz]

I'ld say that, because the cracks where through the fabrics of the universe, everything you would see through one would be different.

Yeah but the crack got rid of amys parents didnt it? The crack made no sense but I guess it is the who.

[Accipiter]

Through the cracks didn't we also see a prison?

The Doctor obviously reached into the heart, or, near enough the explosion, but as said other cracks could lead to else where, the silence and the crack do seem to be similar, they can make you forget.

[dbgtz]

Through the cracks didn't we also see a prison?

The Doctor obviously reached into the heart, or, near enough the explosion, but as said other cracks could lead to else where, the silence and the crack do seem to be similar, they can make you forget.

Yeah but I mean prisoner zero somehow got through without being erased from time and there was 2 sides to the crack whereas in the angels episodes they were forgotten and erased from time. I think episode 1 is just a huge plot hole.

Also does anyone know when the second part of the series airs? Around Autumn I know but is there a specific date yet?

[Accipiter]

1 side will be the one that time has already erased, the other is the 1 it is yet to erase.

[smiffy70]

Tbh I'm confused by this whole thing

[AgnesIO]

Was the girl that Amy killed, also her baby?

[Accipiter]

She hasn't killed the person in the suit, remember, she's a stripper, she isn't a good shot so she's bound to have missed or hit something that appeared closer.

[Moh]

She hasn't killed the person in the suit, remember, she's a stripper, she isn't a good shot so she's bound to have missed or hit something that appeared closer.Even River couldn't hit the suit!

[dbgtz]

She hasn't killed the person in the suit, remember, she's a stripper, she isn't a good shot so she's bound to have missed or hit something that appeared closer.

She hit my heart (l)

[Accipiter]

You cheesy sob, that kind of **** only makes girls melt in the movies.

[Shar]

She hit my heart (l)

LOL


Ahhh I can't wait for this weeks episode!! The aliens are scaryy

[Niall!]

Went away so only got to see it last night. It was amazing, can't wait for Saturday.

[dbgtz]

After having a convo with forum member spider, heres what mostly I came up with but a joint effort I guess :L:
That the thing that was originally in the space suit at the beach is actually river which would explain how the one at the beach had the weapon (as I didnt see it last episode in the bunker thing) and the "i killed a great man". Basically the little girl who should have gone down there to kill him doesnt because she does/ some timey wimey thing that will be explain so river knows she has to go down there and kill him herself. And maybe the doctor knows this too hence why we don't hear much of the convo and you dont hear him say river (because that is his future self and his past self is the one current.

[Accipiter]

I think it'll be far to obvious to be river song in the suit

[Lost_Addict]

Would make sense though

[Niall!]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/tubetalk/a316485/doctor-who-ten-teasers-about-day-of-the-moon.html

1. There's a touch of the 2000 film Memento about this episode.

2. "You're building me the perfect ****** and it still won't be enough!"

3. The Tardis swimming pool plays a vital role in a daring escape attempt.

4. Watch out for a terrifically creepy performance from Kerry Shale, who plays the disturbed Dr. Renfrew.

5. At least one of the shocking twists from last week's episode is called into question, but who can The Doctor really trust?

6. If you don't feel sorry for Rory at least once while watching this episode, then you're truly heartless.

7. Speaking of Rory, if you've been wondering whether he remembers his 2000 years as Amy's plastic guardian, then this episode provides a definitive answer.

8. "Night terrors...with a hotline to the White House."

9. The Doctor has a new experience, while River does something for the very last time.

10. The final scene contains an absolutely shocking twist.

[sophiethenerd]

Spoilers ;)
Lol. I feel so so sorry for river though.

[dbgtz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YvTte-RV4g
loved this ever since i was shown it.

its the who trailer music so you know.

[Accipiter]

I think its the Dr in the suit, the only one to get an invite and "not turn" up

[Moh]

After having a convo with forum member spider, heres what mostly I came up with but a joint effort I guess :L:
That the thing that was originally in the space suit at the beach is actually river which would explain how the one at the beach had the weapon (as I didnt see it last episode in the bunker thing) and the "i killed a great man". Basically the little girl who should have gone down there to kill him doesnt because she does/ some timey wimey thing that will be explain so river knows she has to go down there and kill him herself. And maybe the doctor knows this too hence why we don't hear much of the convo and you dont hear him say river (because that is his future self and his past self is the one current.
River has already killed that person, which is the reason she's in prison. So in this episode, she would know what's going on.

[Fez]

The whole thing with YOU WILL FIND OUT WHO RIVER SONG IS happens in the mid-point finale thing.

[Inseriousity.]

I liked the film Memento. does that mean this episode will be working slightly backwards? hmm interesting :D

[Chippiewill]

Theory:
I reckon the person who killed 'future' doctor in the space suit is the 'current' doctor because the 'current' doctor had the invitation yet wasn't at the right place so he perhaps he talked to 'future' doctor to discover he had to kill himself (Because he said 'I know it's you or w/e), forget timey wimey, his time-line is so ballsed up it probably doesn't matter

[Chris]

Theory:
I reckon the person who killed 'future' doctor in the space suit is the 'current' doctor because the 'current' doctor had the invitation yet wasn't at the right place so he perhaps he talked to 'future' doctor to discover he had to kill himself (Because he said 'I know it's you or w/e), forget timey wimey, his time-line is so ballsed up it probably doesn't matter

Theres so many possibilities, nice theory though.

I love all this speculation. ^_^

[Gibs960]

I thought it was all too confusing. I started to understand it a bit half way through but at the end I was just really confused about the little girl...

[Inseriousity.]

It's a two parter though. You're meant to not have a clue what's going on so he can go TA-DA in the 2nd half :D

[dbgtz]

50 minutes to go and
apparently, rory thinks amys child is the doctors, that would be interesting.

[sophiethenerd]

Being the nerd I am, I am very excited for the dw episode. I think that its a case of the silents have been here for all time but we never noticed.

[Moh]

That was upsetting :(

How River knows that's the last time she'll kiss the doctor :(

[Stephen]

did she just

REGENERATE!!!!!!!!!

[Moh]

Time lady/girl :O

[Fez]

TUNE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED. NO ANSWERS NOW HAHAHAHAHA.

Goddamnit Moffat you and your LOST agenda. You fixed Amy (finally) just goddamn teasing everywhere like Series 5.

Ugh.

[sophiethenerd]

MIND BLOW.

That was blooming brilliant.

[lawrawrrr]

WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED I AM SO CONFUSED

I GET BITS

like the baby not being rememberd cos its the silence

BUT WTH AT THE REST

IS THE GIRL A REGENERATION OF THE DOCTOR... OR IS IT THE DOCTORS BABY


also the river thing was SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.

[Circadia]

That girl just totally regenerated O:
I think the series is going to centered around the girl, like the silence was in series 5

[Moh]

WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED I AM SO CONFUSED

I GET BITS

like the baby not being rememberd cos its the silence

BUT WTH AT THE REST

IS THE GIRL A REGENERATION OF THE DOCTOR... OR IS IT THE DOCTORS BABY


also the river thing was SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.

Amys pregnant, there was a photo of amy with the girl, girl is a time lady - they're making us think that amys child is the doctors.

[Accipiter]

Why would you spoiler something that has already happened lmfao

I'm thinking that theres going to be two lovey dovey couples on board the tardis, and oh how upsetting it will be when the doctor becomes a single daddy.

[Fez]

There's a difference between teasing with intrigue and outright just stating TUNE IN TO EPISODE SEVEN FOR THE DELIVERY.

I find it hilarious we got 3 seconds of the AMY PREGNANCY TEST POSITIVE/NEGATIVE flashing, like Moffat couldn't shoe horn-in enough TUNE IN... at the end of what was actually a pretty weak story.

Question: How do the Earthlings remember to kill the Silence when they turn away from the screen? Surely they just forget the instruction AND not all the Silence will be around humans. The Doctor hasn't stopped anything and he's somehow going to die, yet it's obviously going to turn out to be a duplicate the Little Girl regenerated or something silly that most people will call "Clever." because that's how Moffat delivered on the Pandorica and with the Silence reveal.

Oh and don't get me started on River Song.

[Circadia]

You spoiler it in case someone hasn't watched it yet

[lawrawrrr]

oh idk some people might not have watched it yet... elsewhere they're still considered spoilers up until 24h after, that's the rule i follow on my other fansite...

so we now know that river's deffo his wife/gf/partner???

[Fez]

oh idk some people might not have watched it yet... elsewhere they're still considered spoilers up until 24h after, that's the rule i follow on my other fansite...

so we now know that river's deffo his wife/gf/partner???

She looked surprised when she kissed him and he was all shocked. I'm guessing it's because she's done it before with a future Doctor.

[Accipiter]

There's a difference between teasing with intrigue and outright just stating TUNE IN TO EPISODE SEVEN FOR THE DELIVERY.

I find it hilarious we got 3 seconds of the AMY PREGNANCY TEST POSITIVE/NEGATIVE flashing, like Moffat couldn't shoe horn-in enough TUNE IN... at the end of what was actually a pretty weak story.

Question: How do the Earthlings remember to kill the Silence when they turn away from the screen? Surely they just forget the instruction AND not all the Silence will be around humans. The Doctor hasn't stopped anything and he's somehow going to die, yet it's obviously going to turn out to be a duplicate the Little Girl regenerated or something silly that most people will call "Clever." because that's how Moffat delivered on the Pandorica and with the Silence reveal.

Oh and don't get me started on River Song.

Using the power of television is obviously the case. Television embeds itself into peoples minds, aka the Hypodermic needle theory, aka advertising slots, if your advert is shouted enough into your head, you'll remember the tune and find yourself whistling along to it accidentally, so im guessing it becomes the real trigger when people see the Silence.

I don't think that Childs is amys in the slightest, I think she's holding the doctors & river songs daughter.

[triston220]

Is the girl the Doctor's Daughter from a previous episode?

[dbgtz]

I wish john barrowmen would have a role on the show again.

Also I wonder if we see rivers first meeting with the doctor.

And finalement, i loved how clever this episode was like when the fbi agent does the doctors bow tie and then he has a recording, it was cool. The only sort of plot hole possibilities I noticed though is
1- why are they sealing the dr if even the president knows hes helping
2- where did they get the material which sealed the doctor
3- why was the president surprised that he can travel in time yet you can see him clearly walk into the tardis and the fact that alone brings all the new ideas, why is the future impossible?

[Accipiter]

and the reason its the dr's first and riversongs last is because they're at mid point with their little **** up LMAO

[Lost_Addict]

Amazing 2 parter, however next week it looks like its back to campy crap. But respect where it is due that episode was clever and gripping.

4 possiilities for the girl.

1. It's Riversong and she's a timelord
2. It's Amy's child
3. It's the Dr's daughter from 3 seasons ago
4. It's the love child of Riversong and the Dr

[Fez]

Okay I just realised that the Doctor just made the human race commit genocide. Like, yeah he gave them a choice but it's usually not his style to kill off an entire race like that. Even super parasites.

I liked Episode One and half of this one but the last half was just dire exposition and "revelations" shoved in, along with "teasers". The LOST agenda all over again, I knew it would happen and I hate myself for trusting Moffat.

See, I like the intrigue but I hate the delivery and after a whole series of just massive intrigue and little delivery peppered throughout 2 years I'm just starting to lose faith in the show.

[sophiethenerd]

Thats the tragedy of it. He has just started to love her and she loves him. But they can never be together due to the opposing timelines. Just as he loves her, she starts to get to know him and starts to love him causing a crossover where they have a snog.(Lol) But next time they meet river will still be in the getting to know him stage.

[dbgtz]

Amazing 2 parter, however next week it looks like its back to campy crap. But respect where it is due that episode was clever and gripping.

4 possiilities for the girl.

1. It's Riversong and she's a timelord
2. It's Amy's child
3. It's the Dr's daughter from 3 seasons ago
4. It's the love child of Riversong and the Dr

At number 3, timelords still have the child/adult difference so an adult wouldnt regenerate into a child form. I think so anyway.

[Accipiter]

The Doctor did not order the humans to kill the silence, the silence ordered that the humans kill them.

[Fez]

I wish john barrowmen would have a role on the show again.

Also I wonder if we see rivers first meeting with the doctor.

And finalement, i loved how clever this episode was like when the fbi agent does the doctors bow tie and then he has a recording, it was cool. The only sort of plot hole possibilities I noticed though is
1- why are they sealing the dr if even the president knows hes helping
2- where did they get the material which sealed the doctor
3- why was the president surprised that he can travel in time yet you can see him clearly walk into the tardis and the fact that alone brings all the new ideas, why is the future impossible?

That's a good point actually. Either I missed the one line of dialogue that explains everything, as it is with NewNewWho, but why on Earth did Canton have to feign that hunt when the Doctor is friends with President Nixon? Was it to put the Silence off, which was pretty redundant when they could be literally everywhere, and there'd be no point when they're trying to sneak around the orphanage and they realise the crew is still alive.

[lawrawrrr]

Okay I just realised that the Doctor just made the human race commit genocide. Like, yeah he gave them a choice but it's usually not his style to kill off an entire race like that. Even super parasites.

I liked Episode One and half of this one but the last half was just dire exposition and "revelations" shoved in, along with "teasers". The LOST agenda all over again, I knew it would happen and I hate myself for trusting Moffat.

See, I like the intrigue but I hate the delivery and after a whole series of just massive intrigue and little delivery peppered throughout 2 years I'm just starting to lose faith in the show.

Agreed. It was so complex to start, and suddenly everything gets revealed as a quick snowball effect, leaving one thing that'll probably play on for the WHOLE SEASON (yet again... crack story practically repeating). This sort of episode was okay once in a while, as it was when Davies wrote most of them... but now it's all a bit intense :S

[Fez]

The Doctor did not order the humans to kill the silence, the silence ordered that the humans kill them.

No, he twisted their words. As I remember that Silence guy talked about how powerless human beings were. Canton caught the footage and then sent it to the Doctor who then put it on the screen and made everyone kill everyone.

Why would the Silence order the humans to kill them anyway? The lone Silent was just squabbling and defenceless.

Also bugs me how he's happy to let River kill all the guys who are just standing around while some lone Silent tells the human race to destroy his whole race. I BET THEY'RE ANGRY WITH HIM EY'?

[Chris]

Great episode.

the girl regenerating at the end really confused me though.

[Accipiter]

He hardly twisted their words, the straight order was "You should kill us on sight"

Thats not twisting any sort of words lmao.

The Silence order the Humans to kill them (I'm guessing its a plot for a new super enemy) because Moffat wants a fight with something new, and it's no longer revolution its war.

No idea why he didn't leave them to live in silence though, cause give it 20 or so years and the whole world is under CCTV and would have plenty of footage of the silence. Thats why im guessing its set prior to mass cctv.

The full quote from the silence would be "You tend to my wounds, you are foolish." "why what would you do in my place?" "we have ruled your lives, since your lives began, you should kill us all on sight, but you will never remember we where even here, your world is ours."

They just cut down the bull **** and told the main point, it was a threat at its highest level and all they did was broadcast what the Silence told them to do.

If someone told me he'd killed people and that I should tell the police, I think i'd tell the police.

[Moh]

Great episode.

the girl regenerating at the end really confused me though.

She's a time lady.. we wont find out until later on in the series.

Did anybody else love how river "commits suicide" knowing the future doctor will save her? :P

[Fez]

Someone explain to me why Moffat is a "genius" (as Gallifrey Base and other forums are pointing out) for putting a giant teaser at the end of the episode AND getting one of the most beloved, child-idol figures in British television history to essentially commit genocide?

I hated Amy plot device and the LOST agenda, thank god Amy is fixed into now this stable character and now we can play off of Rory's lovable characteristics. The LOST agenda is still there, laughably, but what I just cannot handle is showing millions of little people that the way to deal with an alien race, yes a very evil one who have slaughtered so many (so have the Daleks and even the Doctor shows more mercy), is to commit genocide? That's literally what just happened and I... ugh. I don't like it. Simple as.

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He hardly twisted their words, the straight order was "You should kill us on sight"

Thats not twisting any sort of words lmao.

The Silence order the Humans to kill them (I'm guessing its a plot for a new super enemy) because Moffat wants a fight with something new, and it's no longer revolution its war.

No idea why he didn't leave them to live in silence though, cause give it 20 or so years and the whole world is under CCTV and would have plenty of footage of the silence. Thats why im guessing its set prior to mass cctv.

The full quote from the silence would be "You tend to my wounds, you are foolish." "why what would you do in my place?" "we have ruled your lives, since your lives began, you should kill us all on sight, but you will never remember we where even here, your world is ours."

They just cut down the bull **** and told the main point, it was a threat at its highest level and all they did was broadcast what the Silence told them to do.

If someone told me he'd killed people and that I should tell the police, I think i'd tell the police.

Yeah but he was saying it to Canton and was essentially ranting on about how the human beings would react if they truly knew what they had done.

Did the Silence, as an entire species, specifically ask the Doctor to kill them all? It's also obvious from all of the HEY REMEMBER IN SERIES FIVE WHEN THAT GUY SAID "SILENCE" that this won't be the last we see of them. Your bit about "its war" is probably going to happen with episode seven, titled "A Good Man Goes To War." but I don't think this is the last we'll see of them. Although the Doctor just committed genocide I believe the girl is the key to bringing them back.

"All they did was broadcast what the Silence told them to do."

Except this is the Doctor. He hates guns, supposedly.

[Accipiter]

Fez I feel you may have grown to mature towards Dr Who and forgot the little things.

There has always been Teasers within Dr Who, always, Moffat may leave big ones, but do you not think they may be a side track, and yet still with the big ones there we're left clueless?

The script seems stronger now than ever, with the relations now tightening between Rory & The Doctor, and it having some real characteristics between them all, and yet they're still all having fun, I bet river song would love to reminisce about jumping from the 50th floor into the tardis swimming pool.

Its got character, its got a script, you may not agree with it anymore, but like said above, the teasers he does drop aren't that big in retrospect.

[dbgtz]

Someone explain to me why Moffat is a "genius" (as Gallifrey Base and other forums are pointing out) for putting a giant teaser at the end of the episode AND getting one of the most beloved, child-idol figures in British television history to essentially commit genocide?

I hated Amy plot device and the LOST agenda, thank god Amy is fixed into now this stable character and now we can play off of Rory's lovable characteristics. The LOST agenda is still there, laughably, but what I just cannot handle is showing millions of little people that the way to deal with an alien race, yes a very evil one who have slaughtered so many (so have the Daleks and even the Doctor shows more mercy), is to commit genocide? That's literally what just happened and I... ugh. I don't like it. Simple as.

---------- Post added 30-04-2011 at 07:15 PM ----------



Yeah but he was saying it to Canton and was essentially ranting on about how the human beings would react if they truly knew what they had done.

Did the Silence, as an entire species, specifically ask the Doctor to kill them all? It's also obvious from all of the HEY REMEMBER IN SERIES FIVE WHEN THAT GUY SAID "SILENCE" that this won't be the last we see of them. Your bit about "its war" is probably going to happen with episode seven, titled "A Good Man Goes To War." but I don't think this is the last we'll see of them. Although the Doctor just committed genocide I believe the girl is the key to bringing them back.

"All they did was broadcast what the Silence told them to do."

Except this is the Doctor. He hates guns, supposedly.

Genesis of the daleks? It's about protecting those who are innocent and the silence were probably gonna kill them so he has to choose.

[Fez]

Fez I feel you may have grown to mature towards Dr Who and forgot the little things.

There has always been Teasers within Dr Who, always, Moffat may leave big ones, but do you not think they may be a side track, and yet still with the big ones there we're left clueless?

The script seems stronger now than ever, with the relations now tightening between Rory & The Doctor, and it having some real characteristics between them all, and yet they're still all having fun, I bet river song would love to reminisce about jumping from the 50th floor into the tardis swimming pool.

Its got character, its got a script, you may not agree with it anymore, but like said above, the teasers he does drop aren't that big in retrospect.

There's a difference between BAD WOLF and the SILENCE, given that BAD WOLF is revolved in one season and the SILENCE take a literal year to have any pay-off. There is a difference between hinting for the sake of hinting and a plot arc/clue thing.

The Rory/Doctor relationship is going somewhere which I like. I'd love it to go where I'm thinking but even if it does I won't forgive. Odd he's not teasing what's going to happen

"the teasers he does drop aren't that big in retrospect."

A little girl regenerating isn't big at all?
Amy may or may not be pregnant TUNE IN A FEW MONTHS TO GET THE ACTUAL DELIVERY!

It's not that I don't like intrigue, that's fine I love a hint or two, it's just when the last half of an episode two-parter just uses them as fuel. It's like a Series One episode just having BAD WOLF BAD WOLF WHAT DOES IT MEAN for thirty minutes.

---------- Post added 30-04-2011 at 07:23 PM ----------


Genesis of the daleks? It's about protecting those who are innocent and the silence were probably gonna kill them so he has to choose.

Kill who? Why would the Silence kill humankind after they just got them to the moon? Clearly they want to manipulate them into finding escape off the planet, hence the moon landings, there's absolutely no reason to kill humanity. They're using them just like... well every Who monster ever really.

[Accipiter]

Who's to say its amys, all these teasers still lead out, you saw Amy holding a child? Big whoop, have you never had a picture taken at a christening holding a child of a close friend or relative?

We still need to guess.

And The Doctor is not using weapons, he's using words. An alien race shouldn't be confident while fighting the Doctor, and thats probably why he runs into their fake tardis screaming "Oh I'm confident" because he knows when to choose his times to be. Not the best time to be confident enough to say you should kill us all when someone is holding a video phone to your face, and don't be stupid enough to say it didn't know it was being recorded, its made a freaking tardis.

[Moh]

The silence wanted to take over didn't they?

[Accipiter]

The silence had taken over, they were the media power of the world, thats why the doctor used media to make them fall, in the media its the person with the better broadcast that wins, and im guessing the Doctor had the better format & broadcast.

[Inseriousity.]

Hmm well I thought that was a rather weak episode mainly because it didn't answer many questions from the previous episode and just decides to add more. All very well adding questions but if you neglect the main plot in the process, it all seems rather rushed.

As for the doctor advocating "genocide", why are you so surprised? In Journey's End, it says that the Doctor turns humans into weapons. Simple as that. This is just the Doctor doing the same thing here. Personally, I don't think it will be genocide simply because I imagine they'll be back soon. The whole plot was just wrapped up so quickly that I imagine it isn't the last we've heard of it.

"The girl is the key..... let's have more adventures" or something along those lines. Did a similar thing in Pandorica Opens "never one to ignore a coincidence... unless you're busy in which case always ignore a coincidence" NO THIS IS LAZY WRITING. Have something to stop the Doctor from looking into it further not just talk his way into not looking further.

Apart from that, OMG WHAT A CLIFFHANGER.

[Fez]

I just don't believe that if an alien race asked the Doctor to kill them all, he would do so.

---------- Post added 30-04-2011 at 07:41 PM ----------


As for the doctor advocating "genocide", why are you so surprised? In Journey's End, it says that the Doctor turns humans into weapons. Simple as that. This is just the Doctor doing the same thing here. Personally, I don't think it will be genocide simply because I imagine they'll be back soon. The whole plot was just wrapped up so quickly that I imagine it isn't the last we've heard of it.

I'm surprised given the Doctor seems happy with himself. Usually a pacifist "war with words" character just lets the human race slaughter aliens. Yes, they'll be back, but as far he knows he's just murdered millions of aliens and he seems quite happy with himself.

[Moh]

The silence are what blew up the tardis aren't they? Surely the doctor would want to get rid of them lol

[Inseriousity.]

I'd be happy too if I just defeated a monster that I couldn't remember everytime I looked away. That takes a lot of planning and being clever and the Doctor is always happy being clever.

[Niall!]

One thing I noticed was River saying "I hope my old man didn't see that" after shooting all of the Silents.

The only males there were the Doctor and Rory.. and incest is out of the question. I can only deduce river is indeed amy/rorys daughter.

[Accipiter]

"This is America" may have something to do with the use of Weapons & the Genocide, they don't take no **** other there, where as here, we'd bend over and get our arses smacked if there was a real threat.

At above, Rory saw it, she probably meant the doctor, but she didn't mean it literally.

Just like Amy would say stupid face.

[Niall!]

"This is America" may have something to do with the use of Weapons & the Genocide, they don't take no **** other there, where as here, we'd bend over and get our arses smacked if there was a real threat.

At above, Rory saw it, she probably meant the doctor, but she didn't mean it literally.

Just like Amy would say stupid face.

We can't overlook anything, Karen stated that even the smallest lines in the first and second episodes could be extremely important.

[dbgtz]

"This is America" may have something to do with the use of Weapons & the Genocide, they don't take no **** other there, where as here, we'd bend over and get our arses smacked if there was a real threat.

At above, Rory saw it, she probably meant the doctor, but she didn't mean it literally.

Just like Amy would say stupid face.

Amy obvs meant the doctor

and we bend over and get our asses smacked? where do you live lol. Those are french people youre on about.

[Accipiter]

Not really, we fight out way with words, under the slightest bit of pressure this country breaks down and weeps.

But look at it this way, why would Riversong snog her father (exclude frued theory)

[dbgtz]

Not really, we fight out way with words, under the slightest bit of pressure this country breaks down and weeps.

But look at it this way, why would Riversong snog her father (exclude frued theory)

Child must be rivers and the doctors. I can't wait to see the time when they always snog haha.

Also no we dont? Our army is considered one of the best :L And apart from chavvy *********, everyone would pull together. Chavvy ********* would just be like, na cba whats the point in saving lives and defending my country, WHAT HAVE THEY DONE FOR ME!!??.

[Moh]

One thing I noticed was River saying "I hope my old man didn't see that" after shooting all of the Silents.

The only males there were the Doctor and Rory.. and incest is out of the question. I can only deduce river is indeed amy/rorys daughter.

she said "old fella". Which you would say about your boyfriend who is older than you?

[dbgtz]

oh also old fella may be because they seem to get it on quite a bit at one point and its a pet name cos hes in his thousands now or something near that.

[Shar]

I really want to know who that girl is, she was regenerating and Amy's pregnant/not pregnant??

[Accipiter]

Child must be rivers and the doctors. I can't wait to see the time when they always snog haha.

Also no we dont? Our army is considered one of the best :L And apart from chavvy *********, everyone would pull together. Chavvy ********* would just be like, na cba whats the point in saving lives and defending my country, WHAT HAVE THEY DONE FOR ME!!??.

We're fighting wars that aren't ours.

With the river song "Old fella" case you're probably right, but she only said it because she just went **** crack-a-jack on about 8 silences with a weapon.

[Red]

Just started watching the latest eppy. Wish I hadn't, so late at night. This is pretty scary. LOL

[peteyt]

The doctor has caused genocide before. Watch terror of the veroids with Colin Baker, his own people the timelords tried him for genocide. He doesn't like to kill, but he does so if he has to and has had to before.

We don't know everything about the silence, but they did somehow try to take control of the tardis and ended up exploding it (I wonder if they will reveal how). So obviously with a choice of have a race that could destroy the universe or not, the doctor would pick the later and has had to in the past.

As I've stated before, I think the whole as you call it, "Lost" like structure, works pretty good. I'm a fan of the original series, John Pertwee being a favourite doctor of mine, and while as a whole I prefer the classic series, I do think this series feels more real. In real life not everything gets settled straight away and things can come back to bite us from behind.

From what I've seen a lot of people are debating, speculating and so on on all the stuff that happened in the last episode, which to me makes it a success. Moffat want's people to talk about who. He could simply reveal everything and explain it all at once, but it would mean people wouldn't be talking about it as much trying to decipher it and it definitely would mean people didn't have stuff to wait for - From what I've seen if anything the spoilers have got people excited and are way looking forward to their reveal which ever episode it might be.

I'm surprised given the Doctor seems happy with himself. Usually a pacifist "war with words" character just lets the human race slaughter aliens. Yes, they'll be back, but as far he knows he's just murdered millions of aliens and he seems quite happy with himself.

[Chris]

Prequel to the next episode:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00gmybn

Trailer 1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00gnx5k

Trailer 2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00gnx68

Looks like a less serious episode. ^_^

[Jordan]

Looks exciting =] I went and watched it get filmed at the beginning of Feb, I got a couple of autographs too =]

[Moh]

I don't understand why the doctor complained about the doctor-donna committing genocide? They tried to destroy the whole of creation :S

Same with The Silence, they've caused another planet to flee.

[dbgtz]

only around 20 minutes to go woo, wonder what the hint will be assuming they do it again like in every other series (although the cracks werent really hints, more like a smack in the face)

[Stephen]

omg did they really do the positivenegativepositivenegative thing again :|

[Shar]

This weeks episode wasn't anything exciting, next weeks looks good.

How can Amy be pregnant but not pregnant?!

[Circadia]

Who was that woman in the hatch :S I'm really confused about that, because she was in the episode before as well, and did anyone else find that siren quite scary when she turned red cause i did :(

[sophiethenerd]

That hatch woman is freaky. I WAS LIKE OH NO RORY. And then like Yey!

[dbgtz]

not the greatest episode, although i am intrigued what the woman is...
next episode looks quite entertaining though :L the voice also sounds like the one that says "fear me ive killed hundreds of time lords".

also in comparison to last series so far heres my listeroonie.
The eleventh hour - The impossible astronaut
The beast below - day of the moon
Victory of the daleks - the curse of the black spot

Bold = preferred so this series is looking better imo.

[Shar]

I prefer this series too, but this episode wasn't that amazing compared to the others

[user130523]

fgs why does bbc iplayer take FOREVER to put shows on............. waits to watch :/

[Inseriousity.]

Well that was boring. They had PIRATES fgs and they made that...

Is this series going to be like last series? started off well, faltered in the middle, got better nearer the end? It tends to happen a lot in dr who!

[Fez]

I liked it.

Wasn't nothing special but enjoyable.

[Accipiter]

Well that was boring. They had PIRATES fgs and they made that...

Is this series going to be like last series? started off well, faltered in the middle, got better nearer the end? It tends to happen a lot in dr who!

Probably because when any one ever thinks of writing a book, they only think about how to start it and how to finish it

It wasn't great, but omg, I actually love how they're actually using the tardis's true potential

I know this is going to sound ******ed, but that little scene where they were going to bed at the end was so cute, its little things like that that give shows character, I hate it when shows miss out the obvious like people never sleeping lmfao.

[Conservative,]

For me it was a semi-rip of Pirates of the Carribean (with the black mark - Jack Sparrow had one?). Didn't like it much but next week looks alright. AND FFS THEY NEED TO SAY IF AMY IS PREGNANT THAT TEST IS ANNOYING NOW :l

[Fez]

Yeah, I imagine that Moffat LOST agenda is bleeding in everywhere.

HEY GUYS REMEMBER YOU'VE GOT MONTHS TO WAIT UNTIL WE DISAPPOINT YOU.
HEY GUYS REMEMBER
HEY GUYS
HEY.

[Chris]

I enjoyed it, it wasn't as good as the opener episodes but it was good none the less. :)

Ood next week. 0.o

[Fez]

I enjoyed it, it wasn't as good as the opener episodes but it was good none the less. :)

Ood next week. 0.o

More importantly Neil Gaiman.

NEIL GAIMAN.

NEIL. GAIMAN.

[iBlueBox]

Great episode though,

I'm more excited for the next episode!


http://youtu.be/Zn_KhjnAui8


http://youtu.be/cLyTpYWkwrc


http://youtu.be/MnRFIdEGs1o


http://youtu.be/CW4t8UkMVb0

[eBay.]

i watched it, it was pretty good ;')

[Stephen]

For me it was a semi-rip of Pirates of the Carribean (with the black mark - Jack Sparrow had one?). Didn't like it much but next week looks alright. AND FFS THEY NEED TO SAY IF AMY IS PREGNANT THAT TEST IS ANNOYING NOW :l

lol that's like saying potc and a hell lot of other pirate films have ripped the black spot from treasure island

[redtom]

It was a decent episode, got a little flat towards the end.

[dbgtz]

Great episode though,

I'm more excited for the next episode!


http://youtu.be/Zn_KhjnAui8


http://youtu.be/cLyTpYWkwrc


http://youtu.be/MnRFIdEGs1o


http://youtu.be/CW4t8UkMVb0

Ive got mail! I love that bit :L That suits matt loads

[iBlueBox]

Classic Tom Baker episode - The Hand of Fear Is on BBC Four now!

[peteyt]

I'm thinking with time being all timey wimey what if whatever seems to be trying to control the tardis in the second clip actually manages to keep control secretly since. Someone mentioned the tardis being taken by the nurse meaning it was possibly sick.

What if keeping its control of the tardis is linked to the being that forced it to explode last series.

[Stephen]

OMG HE GOT RID OF THE SWIMMING POOL?

[dbgtz]

so ruby didnt go and write a book, she went into the universes toilet. I wonder why the oods eyes are green. O TIME LORDS ALIVE OO ARE THEY OOOOOOOOOOOO.

[Stephen]

so ruby didnt go and write a book, she went into the universes toilet. I wonder why the oods eyes are green. O TIME LORDS ALIVE OO ARE THEY OOOOOOOOOOOO.

well parts of them are hehe

Portal 3 - The Tardis

[Chippiewill]

:( I wanted to see the swimming pool.

Still my favourite episode in a long time.

[dbgtz]

i did enjoy this episode, old tardis woo (i wonder how much it cost to remake it lol) But now the speculation of omega is dead soooooo how does the mid series end.
Also when they introduced the tardis graveyard i always thought river stood next to the doctor.

[Accipiter]

That episode blew me away

[Fez]

And Neil Gaiman may have written one of the finest episodes of all time.

[sophiethenerd]

That was so sad. I always had a small theory thatThe doctors true love is the tardis.

[Accipiter]

They should try and get Tim Burton & Terry Gilliam to write an episode, I'd probably ****.

[Fez]

Stephen Fry was supposed to write one for Series Four.

Thank god at least one superdude has written an ep.

[Accipiter]

The writer of Being Human has wrote an episode for this series, if its as good as Being Human he should make me cry again LMFAO

[Fez]

The writer of Being Human has wrote an episode for this series, if its as good as Being Human he should make me cry again LMFAO

Toby Whithouse?

Sorry to disappoint be also wrote Vampires in Venice and School Reunion. Not exactly 'stellar'.

[Accipiter]

o **** LMFAO

o well, he didn't say they were that great, School Reunion was alright, vampires in venice was a bit plain. The monster for the episode looks good.

[Fez]

David Walliams is the monster in it so who knowz what will go down.

[Chippiewill]

David Walliams is the monster in it so who knowz what will go down.

If so then it means it'll be the second best episode ever (Behind this one of course).

[iBlueBox]

i did enjoy this episode, old tardis woo (i wonder how much it cost to remake it lol) But now the speculation of omega is dead soooooo how does the mid series end.
Also when they introduced the tardis graveyard i always thought river stood next to the doctor.


Nothing.

They had The TARDIS set up where it always used to be in the studios ( now its in the Doctor Who Experience in london )

I thought Neil Gamen wrote it very, good but the story could of been used more, a potential to see a whole load of new TARDIS rooms.

[Inseriousity.]

Aww my 'river is the tardis' theory is out of the water then :(
but I loved this episode. it's about time the longest character got to have a say! :D

[peteyt]

Really enjoyed it. Wouldn't say best episode but great.

Part way through it I really thought the tardis the doctor made would become the tardis the silence has but it turned out different but still great.

[Chippiewill]

Nothing.

They had The TARDIS set up where it always used to be in the studios ( now its in the Doctor Who Experience in london )
They did say in the Dr Confidential for David's last episode that they were scrapping the set, so they must have been saving the set for a while.

[iBlueBox]

They saved, the set for Doctor Who Experience in london,

The reason they got rid of The Torchwood Hub in Torchwood was for the new TARDIS, its where it was located. You can see the dragon on the wall every so often in conf.

[xjp5]

Hi Guys!!:D

Who the hell is River Song? I mean, c'mon, we've all thought about it before!

Please post because I've been stalking people and it keeps giving me earache.

xjp5;)


Edited by Catz (Forum Super Moderator): Thread merged from ' Welcome Forum' to here as probably more suitable

[Accipiter]

Riversongs the tardis :O

Kidding, since that wonder was a one that went off track from the series narrative

She'll probably be a lover

[peteyt]

did anyone not think the bit they went through to get from our universe to the bubble universe looked a lot like a crack

[Inseriousity.]

Wasn't me who said this so can't take credit for it but:

"The only water in the forest is river"
.... No ponds then?

spooky...

[dbgtz]

Wasn't me who said this so can't take credit for it but:

"The only water in the forest is river"
.... No ponds then?

spooky...

oo thats quite clever
maybe its referring to forest of the dead? lol. unlikely.

[Fez]

Looks like the Doctor's death has been resolved then.

[Accipiter]

Looks like the Doctor's death has been resolved then.

I would hardly think that, Doctor Who doesn't do easy routes.

[Chris]

Looks like the Doctor's death has been resolved then.

Never thought about that. LOL.

I didn't realise this was a 2 parter. xD

[Lost_Addict]

Sub-Par episode at best :P

[Fez]

I almost laughed at how bad the writing was towards the end.

[Lost_Addict]

Rumour has it the 2 part split will be based on:

A cyberwart that breaks out between the two diffrent universes

[Chippiewill]

I swear, every single two parter there's ever been has been terrible (Except for season finales).

[Fez]

I swear, every single two parter there's ever been has been terrible (Except for season finales).

*cracks fingers*

NON-SEASON FINALE GOOD TWO PARTERS (oddly always the second two-parter of every series)

Unearthly Child/The Doctor Dances
Impossible Planet/Satan Pit
Human Nature/The Family of Blood
Silence in the Library/ Forest of the Dead
Time of Angels/ Flesh and Stone (only '1st' 2 parter)
Impossible Astronaut/ Day of the... NAH GENOCIDE.


I would hardly think that, Doctor Who doesn't do easy routes.

Reset button at the end of series three, breakup with Rose in series four finale and don't get me started on the cracks in Series Five.

[Lost_Addict]

I swear, every single two parter there's ever been has been terrible (Except for season finales).

I really liked the 2 part opener to this series, the 2 part angel storyline and the gas mask children episodes, so it's not always the case. Just most of the time.

[Chippiewill]

NON-SEASON FINALE GOOD TWO PARTERS (oddly always the second two-parter of every series)

Unearthly Child/The Doctor Dances
Impossible Planet/Satan Pit
Human Nature/The Family of Blood
Silence in the Library/ Forest of the Dead
Time of Angels/ Flesh and Stone (only '1st' 2 parter)
Impossible Astronaut/ Day of the... NAH GENOCIDE.



Unearthly Child/The Doctor Dances - Meh, first part was terrible.
Impossible Planet/Satan Pit - Hated it, though for a two-parter it wasn't that bad.
Human Nature/The Family of Blood - Really really hated it, made no sense as well.
Silence in the Library/ Forest of the Dead - Only good two-parter.
Time of Angels/ Flesh and Stone (only '1st' 2 parter) - Hated it, so many plot-holes filled in with **
Impossible Astronaut/ Day of the... NAH GENOCIDE. - Dumb plot, hated it.

[peteyt]

Unearthly Child/The Doctor Dances - Meh, first part was terrible.
Impossible Planet/Satan Pit - Hated it, though for a two-parter it wasn't that bad.
Human Nature/The Family of Blood - Really really hated it, made no sense as well.
Silence in the Library/ Forest of the Dead - Only good two-parter.
Time of Angels/ Flesh and Stone (only '1st' 2 parter) - Hated it, so many plot-holes filled in with **
Impossible Astronaut/ Day of the... NAH GENOCIDE. - Dumb plot, hated it.

I'd like to know why you hated it. It's a while since I've seen family of blood but it made perfect sense to me

[Shar]

Yesterday's episode is one of my favourite episodes of the series. Next week looks good

[Lost_Addict]

Yesterday's episode is one of my favourite episodes of the series. Next week looks good

Seriously? i thpught it was lame and predictable aswell as one giant mind ****

[Inseriousity.]

I'd like to know why you hated it. It's a while since I've seen family of blood but it made perfect sense to me

lol that's what I was thinking. I've enjoyed all the two parters that were mentioned. I prefer two parters generally cos there's more room to develop the story and characters. Despite that, got a bit bored with this one. I didn't really care for any of them. Then again, on rewatch, I'll probably like it a bit more as that normally happens! :D

[Fez]

Unearthly Child/The Doctor Dances - Meh, first part was terrible.
Impossible Planet/Satan Pit - Hated it, though for a two-parter it wasn't that bad.
Human Nature/The Family of Blood - Really really hated it, made no sense as well.
Silence in the Library/ Forest of the Dead - Only good two-parter.
Time of Angels/ Flesh and Stone (only '1st' 2 parter) - Hated it, so many plot-holes filled in with **
Impossible Astronaut/ Day of the... NAH GENOCIDE. - Dumb plot, hated it.

Don't get what didn't make sense with Family of Blood.
I didn't see any plot-holes.
I hate the Impossible Astronaut two-parter too, hence "NAH GENOCIDE."

Don't get any of your criticisms really.

[Fez]

Sorry for double post but...

WHAT?!

[Stephen]

can anyone explain to me what exactly happened cos im lost

[Moh]

wasn't expecting that!

[Stephen]

this series really confuses me lmao :(

[user130523]

NEXT WEEKS EPISODE

PREQUEL
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00h74x2

TRAILER
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00h7m4l

[Chippiewill]

Well, that ending was so *unexpected*.

[Fez]

So was Flesh Amy... Amy all along?

For how long?

Also, that was a damn damn good episode.

[tylermunjkt]

Whats the baby 'eh! Lol. The 2 episodes have been VERY Confuzing.

[Inseriousity.]

i got a bit lost when they were in the tardis. i didnt get what he meant. something bout signals and eh? yeah i got confused.

omg pls come soon next week :(

[tylermunjkt]

Watching Confidential. It explains it all. BBC 3.


New monster soon though! :)

[Inseriousity.]

Oh yeah good idea, I'll do that later then :D

[Fez]

Can I ask: what was the point of Flesh Amy in the first place? Surely if you kidnap Pond and want to throw the Doctor off the scent then you throw Daleks and Cybermen at him enough times to get him in the Pandorica. That and, with Amy kidnapped, it's just a matter of getting Rory to be Rory.

This giant *unexpected* cliffhanger is, once again, really showing off how bad the show has gone with its LOST structure and plot threads dangling and dangling and dangling for months, episodes and plot arcs on end. We think we get to the end of something (Pandorica, the cracks etc.) and we just get slapped in the face. Same here too, I am really, really sick of this.

I hope we see Flesh Doctor again, the dynamic between two Doctors is great.

[Chris]

Okay great episode, but I'm officially confused AGAIN.

[tylermunjkt]

Lol Yeah, Finishing each others sentences.

[Fez]

Okay so was Flesh Amy a "signal"? For what?

You do not explain your story in the behind the scenes programme, you explain it in the scenes.

[tylermunjkt]

Okay great episode, but I'm officially confused AGAIN.

Watch BBC 3 now then!

---------- Post added 28-05-2011 at 07:45 PM ----------

Matt smith said that he's confused too :P

[Stephen]

Everything is confusing lol. They confuse you one time and then when you think you understand (FINALLY) they throw in another confusion. It's like trying to fight a pokemon battle against zubat who wont stop using confuse ray

[Chippiewill]

I hope we see Flesh Doctor again, the dynamic between two Doctors is great.

I thought it was so tacky and cliche.

[Red]

These last 2 episodes are a tad over my head ;/

[tylermunjkt]

Whats the baby then? Is it that blue thing?

[Fez]

Okay so Amy has been Flesh Amy, apparently, since the beginning of the series according to Confidential. However, going over Day Of The Moon (I'm a nerd like that) isn't it probable she was kidnapped when the Silence took her?

Ugh.

[tylermunjkt]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_110525_02

Next episode Information :)

[Inseriousity.]

Oh btw did anyone guess that they'd swap shoes. as soon as amy started being horrible i thought YEP THEYVE DEFO SWAPPED SHOES.

[tylermunjkt]

SEEMS REALLY GOOD! Mid-way finale I think..

[dbgtz]

I think this series will need watching again to make sense, but to be honest I don't see why this story really needed two parts, a lot of it dragged.

I really want to know when Amy was flesh Amy. Also I think it's cool how they made the flesh see through the humans eyes and vice versa, but it's also a really tacky excuse at the same time. The only real explanation to the flesh Amy seeing the woman opening the hatch must be flash backs to be honest otherwise it makes no sense really, unless it's building of that "twin telepathy" theory.

[Fez]

I thought it was so tacky and cliche.

I don't get what was 'tacky' or 'cliché' about it. Mixed up the whole "Talking to himself" that the Doc usually does. Dialogue was written nicely, that final scene though could've been a bit more interesting.


long-standing secrets explained

HAHAHHAHAHAHA

[Chippiewill]

Oh btw did anyone guess that they'd swap shoes. as soon as amy started being horrible i thought YEP THEYVE DEFO SWAPPED SHOES.
I wasn't paying attention to the whole shoes issue, but I did reckon that they had swapped.


I don't get what was 'tacky' or 'cliché' about it. Mixed up the whole "Talking to himself" that the Doc usually does. Dialogue was written nicely, that final scene though could've been a bit more interesting.
It was so obvious it was going to happen it did not have any worth to it.

[dbgtz]

Oh btw did anyone guess that they'd swap shoes. as soon as amy started being horrible i thought YEP THEYVE DEFO SWAPPED SHOES.

I kept losing track of who was who, but the shoes significance was clear.

[Fez]

It was so obvious it was going to happen it did not have any worth to it.

True, but they had fun with it while it lasted and that's what counts really. I could see the double's death coming a mile away.

Series 6 and 5 right now, in my headbox, are on the same wavelength but I have no idea if it's better or worse. I detest Series Five to the point where I can't watch it without getting annoyed at the small things like Amy Plontdevice and the finale not being a finale. I'm still annoyed with Series 6 since they've already destroyed the character of the Doctor and I laugh reading through my old bloggins and how Smith is playing a Doctor now contempt with what he did wrong. He's moved on and now he's okay with genocide.

Reminds me of this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drpnhM7rf_A

The Doctor's Wife is now one of my favourite episodes of all time, along with Vincent and The Doctor but I'm getting sick of this 'teaser' structure now. Doctor Who is a show about science-fiction mystery and hints towards what's coming down the corridor; Bad Wolf, "There's something on your back.", Mr Saxon. All allowing breathing room to speculate and to enjoy and to talk about. Bad Wolf etc. was never the focus of the show, they were hints, but here the Cracks were on full display, River Song keeps winking and running off, Amy has suddenly dissolved and we're having to hang on, the Silence sort of got genocided and now we're waiting for them to ruin the TARDIS.

Amy Plotdevice has become a strong, strong companion with her now bantering and actually being in with Rory's underwear. The Doctor's relationship with the TARDIS has been cemented and now we have settled, fun characters. I'm enjoying being with them more than Series Five but.... there's still all of those plot and structure problems I still have.

I cannot stress enough how angry I get with some people who say that the Russell T. Davies era was a stupid, stupid kiddies show when (at the end of the day) Doctor Who is made for children. Yes, there was stupid farty monsters and Fear Her and all of those bad days. But then there were Midnights, Family of Bloods, Doomsday, Father's Day, Blink and so on and so forth. It was a show about a mad man in a box having adventures and being shouted at now and then about hints. Now we have a show about a mad man in a box being shouted at that there's going to be monsters around the corner, and then when he gets there to face the monsters, they tell him there's even more around the corner.

Moffat has not ruined the show, I enjoy it and it carries different weight to Davies era. So far, I prefer Davies' Hideo Kojima alike structures, plots and especially characters. I felt more emotion with Davies and with Moffat I feel more... tenseness. It doesn't fit in my mind still given that it's built around continuous escalation and no real pay-off. I want breathing space again.

I'll blog all about Series Six when it's all over a few months from now, but right now, stronger than Series Five perhaps but still the same problems bleeding through.

[dbgtz]

True, but they had fun with it while it lasted and that's what counts really. I could see the double's death coming a mile away.

Series 6 and 5 right now, in my headbox, are on the same wavelength but I have no idea if it's better or worse. I detest Series Five to the point where I can't watch it without getting annoyed at the small things like Amy Plontdevice and the finale not being a finale. I'm still annoyed with Series 6 since they've already destroyed the character of the Doctor and I laugh reading through my old bloggins and how Smith is playing a Doctor now contempt with what he did wrong. He's moved on and now he's okay with genocide.

Reminds me of this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drpnhM7rf_A

The Doctor's Wife is now one of my favourite episodes of all time, along with Vincent and The Doctor but I'm getting sick of this 'teaser' structure now. Doctor Who is a show about science-fiction mystery and hints towards what's coming down the corridor; Bad Wolf, "There's something on your back.", Mr Saxon. All allowing breathing room to speculate and to enjoy and to talk about. Bad Wolf etc. was never the focus of the show, they were hints, but here the Cracks were on full display, River Song keeps winking and running off, Amy has suddenly dissolved and we're having to hang on, the Silence sort of got genocided and now we're waiting for them to ruin the TARDIS.

Amy Plotdevice has become a strong, strong companion with her now bantering and actually being in with Rory's underwear. The Doctor's relationship with the TARDIS has been cemented and now we have settled, fun characters. I'm enjoying being with them more than Series Five but.... there's still all of those plot and structure problems I still have.

I cannot stress enough how angry I get with some people who say that the Russell T. Davies era was a stupid, stupid kiddies show when (at the end of the day) Doctor Who is made for children. Yes, there was stupid farty monsters and Fear Her and all of those bad days. But then there were Midnights, Family of Bloods, Doomsday, Father's Day, Blink and so on and so forth. It was a show about a mad man in a box having adventures and being shouted at now and then about hints. Now we have a show about a mad man in a box being shouted at that there's going to be monsters around the corner, and then when he gets there to face the monsters, they tell him there's even more around the corner.

Moffat has not ruined the show, I enjoy it and it carries different weight to Davies era. So far, I prefer Davies' Hideo Kojima alike structures, plots and especially characters. I felt more emotion with Davies and with Moffat I feel more... tenseness. It doesn't fit in my mind still given that it's built around continuous escalation and no real pay-off. I want breathing space again.

I'll blog all about Series Six when it's all over a few months from now, but right now, stronger than Series Five perhaps but still the same problems bleeding through.

I won't lie, I do like series 5 and 6 but I do miss Davies. The series "hints" need to be in the middle of what Davies provided and Moffat is providing.

Also at least the pregnancy test makes sense now of why it wasn't decided. **** teaser though.

[Fez]

The series "hints" need to be in the middle of what Davies provided and Moffat is providing.

I just can't agree with that. Stories need to breathe on their own, hence why Gaiman's episode was so strong, stand-alone in pretty much every respect. Zero baggage.

[dbgtz]

I just can't agree with that. Stories need to breathe on their own, hence why Gaiman's episode was so strong, stand-alone in pretty much every respect. Zero baggage.

Yes but the linking of some episodes last series was brilliant (such as the doctor in the angels episodes). Something that's pretty big but hard to spot. That's what I want. I want hints which aren't utterly horrid but are also hard to spot. Basically I want the size of Moffats but the secrecy of Davies. I think the hints shouldn't be easy to notice.

[Fez]

Yes but the linking of some episodes last series was brilliant (such as the doctor in the angels episodes). Something that's pretty big but hard to spot. That's what I want. I want hints which aren't utterly horrid but are also hard to spot. Basically I want the size of Moffats but the secrecy of Davies. I think the hints shouldn't be easy to notice.

Exactly, but it's irritating when we've had giant IS AMY PREGNANT OR NOT? hints at the end of three episodes (Reveal in first, girl in alley in second with test, test in third, eyepatch lady everywhere).

Last year's 'Future Doctor' was great. Very secretive, I wish he'd shown up more though.

[dbgtz]

Exactly, but it's irritating when we've had giant IS AMY PREGNANT OR NOT? hints at the end of three episodes (Reveal in first, girl in alley in second with test, test in third, eyepatch lady everywhere).

Last year's 'Future Doctor' was great. Very secretive, I wish he'd shown up more though.

Yeah it's too in your face and to be honest, it's a lackluster hint which tells you absolutely nothing really. I can see why it didn't stick to her now but I want hints that people can sort of guess or work out, I don't think anyone guessed Amy was what ever the **** that was.

I agree that the future doctor should have been in it more, and if moffat could do that again somehow then that would be brilliant, thats a hint which isnt obvious but is big. I don't class any davies hints as "big" as they were usually just a couple of words.

Also I'm sure this episode was targetting moral issues. Well animal cruelty (the bit at the end when they're dieing) and, for some reason, I feel that there was a huge moral issue between the normal people and the thingies who have taken their lives, but I cant think what.

[Inseriousity.]

Also I'm sure this episode was targetting moral issues. Well animal cruelty (the bit at the end when they're dieing) and, for some reason, I feel that there was a huge moral issue between the normal people and the thingies who have taken their lives, but I cant think what.

The whole 'us vs them' scenario is, I think, the moral issue in that episode and the Doctor shows them that that's not the way. This could be linked with all sorts of things atm. It reminds me most of the dehumanization of Muslims in the media and how people seem to think it's a question of 'liberty vs oppression' when in actual fact it's simply about humans' fear of the unknown.

[RyRy]

FGBL.M, SFGMEGNERM.T HDMK.GVNWEG;/WGML i dont think i can actually control my excitement for the next episode. LIKE SERIOUSLY.

[dbgtz]

The whole 'us vs them' scenario is, I think, the moral issue in that episode and the Doctor shows them that that's not the way. This could be linked with all sorts of things atm. It reminds me most of the dehumanization of Muslims in the media and how people seem to think it's a question of 'liberty vs oppression' when in actual fact it's simply about humans' fear of the unknown.

yeah it must be the sort of segregation for race, as theyre basically saying theyre all the same but the type of things they are (the people and the mould things) is what seperates them. God this has to be the most morally rich doctor who ive seen.

[Fez]

I think it's more along the lines of that old literary tradition of what it means to be human.

[iBlueBox]

If anyone hasn't clicked on yet, The Doctor knows he's going to die.

They both swapped shoes right.

Flesh Doctor stays in the room.

Normal Doctor who Amy thinks is the Flesh Doctor, she goes on about him dying.

[Fez]

I got the impression that they switched shoes after that scene. Hence why he was all kinda violent.

It's obvious he knows he's going to die anyway.

[Inseriousity.]

I dunno how he cant figure it out from...

-WAVES GUN ROUND-
SAVINGGGGGGG YOURRRRRRR LIFEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Fez]

Thought: Why did the Doctor give the Doctor the Doctor's sonic screwdriver when both Doctors have a screwdriver?

[Lost_Addict]

Wow what a lackluster Cliche of a 2 parter -.- waste of my time tbh. However i am phyced after watching the prequel for next weeks episode. Looks to be a good 'un. + Is River song the lady with the eye patch. It just looked from the prequel where Riversong announces that today the Dr finds out who i am, they kind of look similar.

Secondly joining the HINT debate. I love season long storylines, however i couldn't agree with you more about the in your faceness about them. I CANT STAND IT I loved Bad wolf as it shows somthing is following them but doesn't scream it in your face. The cracks in time would of been so much better if they wern't made so bloody obvious and it was a secret in each episode to whether you could spot one.

Rant over.

[Fez]

I don't think Eyepatch lady = River Song, but I will say that she'll probably end up being important.

People speculating Omega logo was seen in the trailer for Episode Seven, and that the same thing was found on the armbands of the soldiers from Series 5's weeping angel two-parter.

Personally, I can wait. I'm interested to see how Moffat dangles the next plot thread in our face and whether or not the mid-series finale can reach finale heights.

[Lost_Addict]

It does look to be set on a very grande scale, Similar to the series finale with the master.

[dbgtz]

It does look to be set on a very grande scale, Similar to the series finale with the master.

I hope its not like that, that was the ****test ending ever on doctor who. The pre-"I FORGIVE YOU AND NOW THE EARTH REWINDS BLABLABLA ****" scenes were decent though.

[Lost_Addict]

Oh ya, i look past the final scene as i do with most season finale wrap ups. I go by the overal story leading up the the ultimate scene. Which in the 3 parter master episode was superb.

[Fez]

Good parts about Series 3 finale:
- Captain Jack
- Freema can act for once
- That build-up
- Master playing Scissor Sisters and Charlie Sheen #winning
- That Empire Strikes Back sense of Doctor's fall
- The whole of 'YANA' in Utopia was just mind-blowing
- The final scene where the Master wins by dying
- The Doctor losing
- John Simm being John Simm
- The TARDIS trio on the run, so odd that this trio is where I think Doctor Who truly shines in Doctor/companion relationship exploitation.

Bad things
- George Bush foney
- MASSIVE. RESET. BUTTON.
- FLYING JESUS DOCTOR
- The sound of drums never being resolved (until duh)
- The sound of drums drummed into our heads (hurr)
- THE FACE OF BOE
- Martha leaving for no real reason

I have a love hate relationship with that three-parter. Utopia is bliss, Sound of Drums is amazing but Last of the Time Lords sort of lags in most of its places.

Also:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9mjNSVJ0J8

SHOULD'VE SEEN MY FACE.

[peteyt]

That's the problem with RTD. He'd think of something far too big and not be able to end it really in a decent way.

I do think they've went a bit over board this year with some recurring stuff but I don't mind a bit more than RTD's era as it gives you something good to look forward to.

e.g. I liked the cracks as it was there but there wasn't really loads of other stuff on top of it, it felt a lot more planned out.

[Fez]

That's the problem with RTD. He'd think of something far too big and not be able to end it really in a decent way.

I do think they've went a bit over board this year with some recurring stuff but I don't mind a bit more than RTD's era as it gives you something good to look forward to.

e.g. I liked the cracks as it was there but there wasn't really loads of other stuff on top of it, it felt a lot more planned out.

Completely true, but I believe sometimes he did deliver with the Bad Wolf, Torchwood stuff. Saxon and "It's on your back." didn't deliver as such but I still prefer RTD to Moffat's tenure.

[DPS]

Anything can happen in Doctor Who now days :)

RTD imo is fantastic.

[Accipiter]

I found that brain tumour thing to be highly irrelevant in this episode :S Was it suppose to create some empathy? it felt like it was in bad taste too have it there.

[dbgtz]

Completely true, but I believe sometimes he did deliver with the Bad Wolf, Torchwood stuff. Saxon and "It's on your back." didn't deliver as such but I still prefer RTD to Moffat's tenure.

Wasn't the "on your back" thing just for that one episode? Or did I miss something? :S


I found that brain tumour thing to be highly irrelevant in this episode :S Was it suppose to create some empathy? it felt like it was in bad taste too have it there.

What brain tumour thing? I really must not have paid much attention lol.

[Accipiter]

She had a clot in her brain, aka a brain tumour

[dbgtz]

She had a clot in her brain, aka a brain tumour

who did??

[Fez]

Wasn't the "on your back" thing just for that one episode? Or did I miss something? :S.

It was in the first three episodes, Agatha Christies, some of the stuff leading up to the finale and then in Turn Left it led into the finale.

[Accipiter]

who did??

margeret or w.e

the person who kept having head aches

[peteyt]

Yeah the on the back stuff wasn't too bad but the whole Donna presses a button and all daleks are destroyed was dire.

The big problem with who at the moment is it keeps going too far. I mean RTD kept having massive battles and destroying all the daleks often with ease. I wish dalek episodes could be more like the episode "Dalek" - 1 dalek and everyone's scared. Millions now and it doesn't matter there's an emergency destroy button

[Fez]

Aye, he has a fetish for those reset buttons. I think Moffat steps over that place too with what he did in Pandorica, perhaps even worse, boiling it down to "The power of love!" saving The Doctor.

[dbgtz]

Aye, he has a fetish for those reset buttons. I think Moffat steps over that place too with what he did in Pandorica, perhaps even worse, boiling it down to "The power of love!" saving The Doctor.

Yeah the exploding TARDIS was alright, but that doctor bit was utterly ridiculous. Doctor who on the whole needs more fear.

[Inseriousity.]

I found that brain tumour thing to be highly irrelevant in this episode :S Was it suppose to create some empathy? it felt like it was in bad taste too have it there.

I think it was just for gangerCleaves to realise what was important, the same way the little boy was used. :)
In fact, it's the sneezing in the first episode that I dont get. Now that we've seen the 2nd episode his cold just seemed to disappear unless I missed something

[Fez]

Yeah the exploding TARDIS was alright, but that doctor bit was utterly ridiculous. Doctor who on the whole needs more fez.

YEAH I AGREE.

[Fez]

Yeah the exploding TARDIS was alright, but that doctor bit was utterly ridiculous. Doctor who on the whole needs more fez.

YEAH I AGREE.

[DPS]

who did??

It was the person in charge of the Gangers or w,e they are.
At the end the Doctor gave her something to get rid of it. but i dont see why he would? its not for him to change time surely by him giving her the cure ;s hes gone and changed things. and as most of you know he doesnt like messing with time.

[Fez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSSvq-A5aRk

MASSIVE SPOILER SPECULATION. I AM MOST DEFINITELY RIGHT. I AM SO RIGHT.

RIVER SONG IS AMY POND'S DAUGHTER.

HEY MOFFAT YOU KNOW THAT WHOLE INTRIGUE THING YOU'RE DOING? THAT WHOLE DISREGARD FLESHED OUT STORIES, ACQUIRE HINTS AT THE CRUX OF DOCTOR WHO THAT MADE YOU SO 'POPULAR' WITH ME? YEAH, NOT WORKING OUT TOO WELL.

WELL DONE ON DISAPPOINTING EVERYONE WITH REVEALING THAT, REALLY, RIVER SONG ISN'T ACTUALLY AS IMPORTANT AS WE THINK.

*SLOW CLAP*

[dbgtz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSSvq-A5aRk

MASSIVE SPOILER SPECULATION. I AM MOST DEFINITELY RIGHT. I AM SO RIGHT.

RIVER SONG IS AMY POND'S DAUGHTER.

HEY MOFFAT YOU KNOW THAT WHOLE INTRIGUE THING YOU'RE DOING? THAT WHOLE DISREGARD FLESHED OUT STORIES, ACQUIRE HINTS AT THE CRUX OF DOCTOR WHO THAT MADE YOU SO 'POPULAR' WITH ME? YEAH, NOT WORKING OUT TOO WELL.

WELL DONE ON DISAPPOINTING EVERYONE WITH REVEALING THAT, REALLY, RIVER SONG ISN'T ACTUALLY AS IMPORTANT AS WE THINK.

*SLOW CLAP*

To be quite honest I guessed that ages ago.

[Fez]

To be quite honest I guessed that ages ago.

I had suspicions.

Along the same lines:

I remember in the Forest of the Dead, River wouldn't let the Doctor take her place because he wouldn't be able to regenerate. Neither would she, hence the baby being all Gallifreyan

[dbgtz]

something interesting i noticed...
under "fun and games", for every episode this series it says "Play the game of rassilon: [episode title]", dunno if theres any relevance... http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/funandgames/d11s02e06_quiz?category=puzzle

[Accipiter]

Not sure if you're right with riversong being amys daughter

If the screen flashes pregnant / not pregnant, would river song not be flashing in and out of existance?

[dbgtz]

Not sure if you're right with riversong being amys daughter

If the screen flashes pregnant / not pregnant, would river song not be flashing in and out of existance?

The flashing refers to how amy was a ganger

[Accipiter]

The flashing occured prior to amy being a ganger, how could the ganger amy exist along side the tardis prior to the episode?

Unless they come out saying she was a ganger since the season started

[dbgtz]

The flashing occured prior to amy being a ganger, how could the ganger amy exist along side the tardis prior to the episode?

Unless they come out saying she was a ganger since the season started

Well we don't know when she started being a ganger, the doctor did say something about how she hasnt been herself for a long time and hes been blocking the signal or something.

[Fez]

The flashing occured prior to amy being a ganger, how could the ganger amy exist along side the tardis prior to the episode?

Unless they come out saying she was a ganger since the season started

On Confidential they said it started in Episode One.

[Accipiter]

its a tad illogical that she becomes a ganger without visiting the place :S

unless the doctor that dies gives her ganger heebie jeebies or w.e from his past (her future)

[dbgtz]

its a tad illogical that she becomes a ganger without visiting the place :S

unless the doctor that dies gives her ganger heebie jeebies or w.e from his past (her future)

That was what the signal thing he was on about, although why she was "chosen" to be a ganger I would quite like to know. I guess this is where river comes along.

[Fez]

Thought: I am dead sure the Doctor has used the screwdriver around Ganger Pond and perhaps outright scanned her at times. You could argue "different frequencies" but surely she'd feel something.

[dbgtz]

Thought: I am dead sure the Doctor has used the screwdriver around Ganger Pond and perhaps outright scanned her at times. You could argue "different frequencies" but surely she'd feel something.

Any examples? I'm not doubting you j/s :L

[Fez]

Any examples? I'm not doubting you j/s :L

Well either Moffat said to all of the Series 6 Part 1 writers "DON'T PUT THE SCREWDRIVER ON AMY" or I'm missing something.

I am pretty sure the Doctor scanned Amy in Day of the Moon, to unlock her from the Silent's restraint.

[Lost_Addict]

The whole idea of ganger amy was to mislead the Dr. and Rory to thinking she was still with the.

Amy was captured put into one of the ganger machines and she was controlling ganger amy and believed she was ganger amy (Hence why she said Oh No, she finally realised she wasn't on the tardis) Thats why she kept seeing eye patch lady. It was because she kept having flashes of where she really was.

Or thats what i gathered from the episode.