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Circadia
10-09-2011, 07:26 PM
He didn't build them time windows, the clock work people did! So technically he just used them rather than created one
Oh, well I would of classed them as the same thing xD
Accipiter
10-09-2011, 07:32 PM
Not really much to talk about with this episode, it was just a love story really, which promised action and lacked it.
In this episode the doctor said he had never broke through a time window (i think)
He rode on a horse through one.
Inseriousity.
10-09-2011, 08:02 PM
I enjoyed it. Nice moral dilemma there and amy and rory acted their socks off. :)
Accipiter
10-09-2011, 08:08 PM
This was the best bit:
You know when you meat someone so beautiful and five minutes later they're so dull, then you meet other people and you think not bad ok, then you get to know them and their face sort of becomes them, their personalities written all over it, it's so beautiful. Rory is the most beautiful man i've ever met.
peteyt
11-09-2011, 03:56 AM
The episode was okay. Some good acting from Rory and the two Amy's but I think it needed something else to just pull it up.
Smurfed-
11-09-2011, 05:53 AM
I missed the first 15 minutes so I'm going to have to watch it on iplayer. the bits I did see looked good though.
Niall!
13-09-2011, 10:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chbCPKCXgNI&feature=feedu
The angels are back...
peteyt
13-09-2011, 11:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chbCPKCXgNI&feature=feedu
The angels are back...
I think its going to be an assortment of things
really lost all faith in doctor who. it's just one mind**** after another, the riddles aren't even interesting anymore.
moffat was far far better as a one-off writer and not a director.
Accipiter
15-09-2011, 09:31 AM
I think Dr Who's problem is that they changed the whole way they shot the show, they need to go back to David Tennant series styled shots, and is it me or is there no more BBC Orchestrator for dr who?
Word isn't orchestrator, forgot the real name
-Amyy
15-09-2011, 03:09 PM
Iv only ever watched doctor who once and it was great :D gonna start watching it woo!
iJess
15-09-2011, 03:10 PM
I haven't watched it since David Tennant and Billie Piper were on it LMAO
really lost all faith in doctor who. it's just one mind**** after another, the riddles aren't even interesting anymore.
moffat was far far better as a one-off writer and not a director.
I totally agree. Episodes are too confusing for my wee brain to keep up. :( Really don't think the latest eppys have been up to the usual standard.
Accipiter
15-09-2011, 03:13 PM
Iv only ever watched doctor who once and it was great :D gonna start watching it woo!
you might want to start from the beginning
-Amyy
15-09-2011, 03:14 PM
you might want to start from the beginning
ik thats what my friend said, im going to :)
garriet
15-09-2011, 03:34 PM
ik thats what my friend said, im going to :)
good you should because its really good ;)
feel spesh cause the doctors from northampton and i am too lmao!
anyway i really like the new series bit counfusing at times :$ but ye i luv it x
peteyt
15-09-2011, 03:50 PM
really lost all faith in doctor who. it's just one mind**** after another, the riddles aren't even interesting anymore.
moffat was far far better as a one-off writer and not a director.
Hate to sound annoying (don't mean to ha) but he's the show runner and executive producer not director.
To the person who said it should be shot like Tennant I think that's the problem. It's a new Doctor, so having a bit of a new look to me suits it. I watched an episode from the Russell T Davies area not so long ago and found it felt a lot older than it was, I like the new look it feels a lot fresh to me.
I partly agree with people saying it's got too much going on at the moment. I like it, but they could tone it down a tad. However I still prefer it to RTD's era. We used to get really small stuff, like the mention of Torchwood, Saxon etc. in episodes. It was small and for a lot hard to pick up on, and even if you did, you didn't really get much to go on until the finale.
I like how Moffat has given who a bit more depth, and a nice proper story arch. You can still enjoy some of the episodes without seeing the last (although it does help) and there's still stand alone episodes in there for good measure, Loved the Doctor's Wife.
I think the difference is your made to think more with this series. Is it just me or has there been a lot more talk this series because of the ongoing story arch, which is always a good thing. I mean in the RTD era you'd hear a word a few times, but with often just a word or nothing else you couldn't speculate as music. Moffat however gives you a few more things to go on every so often, so as you slowly go through the series more is revealed.
I dunno, I kind of get the feeling that if RTD did this series he'd have everything revealed at the end. We'd get a finale that was like Hi Amy, Rory, I'm your daughter, I'm going to kill you doctor, its the Silents and everything else. I like the fact it's not all crammed in to one story so we can get to fit more in. There are a few too many things going on though, and taking a couple out could maybe help.
Accipiter
15-09-2011, 04:02 PM
You don't get the serious or drastic shots in this series, so even if it is a heart breaking moment, we're getting bright colourful shots, which don't do scenes justice.
iBlueBox
15-09-2011, 04:03 PM
I think Dr Who's problem is that they changed the whole way they shot the show, they need to go back to David Tennant series styled shots, and is it me or is there no more BBC Orchestrator for dr who?
Word isn't orchestrator, forgot the real name
You don't really understand Doctor Who.
Ever since 1963, the shows always changed ever era.
The Russel T. Davies era what you said it to be changed to.
Now we have Steven Moffats era, The show feels different from before because of the changes, it makes the show keep fresh, renewed, regenerated. It's done this since 1963 and prob will continue to.
Accipiter
15-09-2011, 04:10 PM
I understand that, what i'm saying is that the shooting style is far to consistent during sad moments, it doesn't express emotions because it's in the same shooting style as jolly old dr running around playing guess work.
I think this is the main reason the last episode was totally ruined, the script was very saddening (which is why I said it'd have made a better read) but it was ruined on screen by bright colours & inexpressive shots, it promised drama yet all we saw where poorly choreographed moments of older Amy slicing and dicing robots poorly.
The camera style is far to consistent to make any dramatic moment become dramatic, making dramatic moments totally void & ruined.
peteyt
15-09-2011, 04:17 PM
I understand that, what i'm saying is that the shooting style is far to consistent during sad moments, it doesn't express emotions because it's in the same shooting style as jolly old dr running around playing guess work.
I think this is the main reason the last episode was totally ruined, the script was very saddening (which is why I said it'd have made a better read) but it was ruined on screen by bright colours & inexpressive shots, it promised drama yet all we saw where poorly choreographed moments of older Amy slicing and dicing robots poorly.
The camera style is far to consistent to make any dramatic moment become dramatic, making dramatic moments totally void & ruined.
I can't really say much to that. I mean I've done a degree in film and tv but more the production side, organising everything as I'm not quite technical. I found the acting made the last episode. However the RTD era for me relied to much on emotions. The doctor turned emo ha and mopped a lot. It was nice to have a fresh active doctor.
Accipiter
15-09-2011, 04:21 PM
But when David Tennant spread a smile you felt that smile!
I have nothing against the new doctor, I enjoy Matt Smith, he acts his emotions well and anger, much better than David Tennant, but the shots of anger or hatred, are all shot brightly, for example, when he attacked the Dalek because it didn't know who he was. It was far to colourful to express the anger through the shot style to, making his anger pass by like just another action.
dbgtz
15-09-2011, 06:01 PM
But when David Tennant spread a smile you felt that smile!
I have nothing against the new doctor, I enjoy Matt Smith, he acts his emotions well and anger, much better than David Tennant, but the shots of anger or hatred, are all shot brightly, for example, when he attacked the Dalek because it didn't know who he was. It was far to colourful to express the anger through the shot style to, making his anger pass by like just another action.
Probs cos it's for kids.
Personally I'm not liking the episodes because of the fact that there's no logical solution to most of them, it's just EMOTIONS BRING U 2 LYF or some **** like that and it really pisses me off. And the fact no main character has really been introduced since the start of series 5 which makes it feel a bit... eh. Like a t shirt which is nice, but is just a bit worn out, bit scuzzy. But it's not really the lack of no new main characters either, I just don't feel that the 3 main ones have any "chemistry" say comparing the Doctor to River where it really works in my opinion.
Also slightly off what I was just on about, but I really would like Jack to make an appearance :P
Accipiter
15-09-2011, 06:18 PM
I really want to see Rory become an enemy.
peteyt
15-09-2011, 11:00 PM
But when David Tennant spread a smile you felt that smile!
I have nothing against the new doctor, I enjoy Matt Smith, he acts his emotions well and anger, much better than David Tennant, but the shots of anger or hatred, are all shot brightly, for example, when he attacked the Dalek because it didn't know who he was. It was far to colourful to express the anger through the shot style to, making his anger pass by like just another action.
The top thing about the smile, that is open to debate. I think Tennant was okay yeah, but a lot of bad script writing happened.
I do sometimes get annoyed like the above poster has mentioned about emotions and stuff. I think part of the problem we've seen lately is the doctor being a celebrity. I'm the doctor, run for your life. Thinking of it, the good thing about the last episode was the doctor couldn't do anything, The old amy wouldn't have listened to anything he had to say.
I'm a fan of the original series, 3rd doctor a favourite of mine, and at least in the classic series the sonic screwdriver wasn't used as much, and often things had to be worked out.
user130523
15-09-2011, 11:20 PM
am i the only one who isn't really liking this series?
Accipiter
16-09-2011, 05:06 PM
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/299629_289998981014136_127031120644257_1356059_177 2486615_n.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/299629_289998981014136_127031120644257_1356059_177 2486615_n.jpg
Proof the doctor can easily look properly roughed up, none of this make up roughed up LMAO
dbgtz
17-09-2011, 06:16 PM
The apprentice referrence already makes this episode a win.
Chippiewill
17-09-2011, 06:16 PM
Walliam's Character is now the best ever.
I bet it likes the Sontarans room.
This episode is so bloody boring ;/
Chippiewill
17-09-2011, 07:02 PM
That ending was a bit slap dashed to be honest, but the next episode looks pretty good.
Lost_Addict
17-09-2011, 07:03 PM
That episode was a huge improvement on the **** we've had this half of the series so far. Logical move to take out Amy and Rory even if it is just for a short while as it will freshen the series up.
Stephen
17-09-2011, 07:04 PM
Next weeks looks really good but I'm getting ready for disappointment
Accipiter
17-09-2011, 07:10 PM
I disagree @dps (should have probably quoted but I can never be arsed)
I thought that episode was just what was needed, but obviously had its weak points, I dislike how it's always Amy that fixes things with thoughts, the past few episodes have been down to her actions.
The episode was full of emotion, but what i'm feeling is, especially the whisper on Amy's tongue when she said "he's saving us" felt like in it was saying "and killing himself." in the empty silence, and especially with the scene that followed.
The emotions still aren't expressed through camera that well, nor through audio changes, they're constantly running on a consistent _____________ Line, if it was a life support machine, where as the David Tennant series would have those peaks (and sometimes troughs) where you'd feel a ____/\_ from his emotions, a kick in your own heart.
What also disappoints is that they've used everything they possibly can to make Amy & the doctor joint at the waist, meaning no other companion is ever going to see the doctor, meaning we'll be limited & feel no closeness like this ever again.
Amy has well and truly replaced Rose on the Doctors favourites due to this episode, all though, obviously, Rose made him who he is today, so clearly never forgotten.
And i'm feeling a scene was cut at the end, because where on earth did the vermin looking guy go you didn't even see him enter the tardis.
I wasn't bored by the episode as such, it had it's build up, but I am disappointed by the unimaginative build up, Amy fixes stories, it's just a vicious circle, but I believe the next episode has planned to stop that seeing as he's dropped her off.
I also believe the next episode is promising for Cybermen (which i swore i'd hate to see again) but with the mix of Craig it may be something enjoyable!
The series is being a big hint (obviously we saw him die) that the Doctor has a weakness, that he will die before either Rory or Amy putting himself first, which I feel will be the plot behind his death in Utah.
iBlueBox
17-09-2011, 07:35 PM
I really loved this episode! It felt a big pick up on this half of the series! :D
Also @Accipiter , The Cybermen are amazing but since, 2006 They've been terrible with the robotic design and story lines. The fact they've got Cybermats it's going to feel a lot like a Patrick Throughton episode with the references,
I mean Tomb of the Cybermen best episode ever.
I also think we'll be getting one new Cybermen design a bit of a nod to the old ones.
This was posted by one of the people who do concept art for the show a while ago on the net, but it is a sexy design,
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3631/3597800101_b355041c36_o.jpg
Accipiter
17-09-2011, 07:52 PM
Rather than them creating all these new designs
they should make design specific cyberman range from first creations to progress and improvements, more of a nice indepth background to them and a history, rather than random changes :O
I keep getting referred to old episodes, i'll come out and admit i've never seen an old Dr Who :(
Lost_Addict
17-09-2011, 08:12 PM
Not even Tom Baker :O
iBlueBox
17-09-2011, 08:18 PM
Rather than them creating all these new designs
they should make design specific cyberman range from first creations to progress and improvements, more of a nice indepth background to them and a history, rather than random changes :O
I keep getting referred to old episodes, i'll come out and admit i've never seen an old Dr Who :(
Well there sort of is a evolution of them.
http://www.thedoctorwhosite.co.uk/cybermen/cybermen-designs/
Accipiter
17-09-2011, 08:21 PM
Ooooh never seen that before, they need to make it more screen shown!
dbgtz
17-09-2011, 08:43 PM
I really loved this episode! It felt a big pick up on this half of the series! :D
Also @Accipiter , The Cybermen are amazing but since, 2006 They've been terrible with the robotic design and story lines. The fact they've got Cybermats it's going to feel a lot like a Patrick Throughton episode with the references,
I mean Tomb of the Cybermen best episode ever.
I also think we'll be getting one new Cybermen design a bit of a nod to the old ones.
This was posted by one of the people who do concept art for the show a while ago on the net, but it is a sexy design,
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3631/3597800101_b355041c36_o.jpg
As cool as I find that, I think a lot of the younger viewers would just think "what the poo" (they havn't developed the ability to swear) due to how old-fashioned it looked. Also I think the design of the cybermen currently aren't bad in anyway, it's more of how they move.
Accipiter
17-09-2011, 08:53 PM
It is a bit daft, what kind of Human would swap immortality for 0 agility and never being able to run / jump / do gymnastics again
dbgtz
17-09-2011, 09:18 PM
It is a bit daft, what kind of Human would swap immortality for 0 agility and never being able to run / jump / do gymnastics again
the kind who are forced
Smurfed-
17-09-2011, 09:23 PM
I think tonight's episode has got to be the best one in this series :)
Accipiter
17-09-2011, 10:08 PM
I wonder what cyberman olympics are like
I wonder if theres any rogue cybermen that make custom edits to their cyber suit
YES.
PONDS ARE GONE.
ROLL ON SMITH AND CORDEN.
ALL DAY. EVERYDAY!
I'll miss Rorypants and Karen Gillan's increasing attractiveness but thank god they've booted the most inconsistent character of all time. Such a shame to see Mr Badass part with us, but finally, roll on a show that concentrates on one sole main character.
I love how he said goodbye. I have new found respect for Moffat and Whithouse for letting the Doctor properly say goodbye to companion, probably not forever, and it's so sweet to find the Doctor at an emotional peak. That whole "Lose your faith in me." the episode was built around all drove us to the point where Amy had to let go. She had to stop being Amy Pond, the child, and become Amy Williams, the hot wife. Maybe it's what explains her inconsistent characterization, though that kinda belittles every standalone story ever, but otherwise... hot damn. What. An Episode.
The mysteries like "What was in the Doctor's room?" PERFECT. Like us knowing his name, unnecessary but at the same time we kinda want to know. Good, honest mysteries that define characters rather than act as throwaway plot elements that will 'all make sense later'. That's the difference between Who and LOST.
Suddenly looking forward to seeing how this series end.
rezzmarr
18-09-2011, 01:58 AM
I totally wasn't expecting amy and rory to leave, so that was a surprise ;o...
I can't wait to see who the next companion is~
http://i.imgur.com/J4fnr.jpg
;D
It would be nice if the doctor's daughter returned too ^^
iBlueBox
18-09-2011, 07:47 AM
Amy and Rory haven't left, Well there in episode thirteen. Also they have both said they will be involved in Series 7, but it is not sure if they will be a full time companion just the odd advnture.
Accipiter
18-09-2011, 10:54 AM
James Cordon should become a full time companion, the doctor needs a best mate, not a girl companion again, literally someone who is his friend and not his assistant and James can pull that off perfectly
dbgtz
18-09-2011, 11:02 AM
James Cordon should become a full time companion, the doctor needs a best mate, not a girl companion again, literally someone who is his friend and not his assistant and James can pull that off perfectly
Eh I don't think I'd like Corden around for a whole series, but I totally agree on the best friend thing.
Accipiter
18-09-2011, 11:05 AM
Comedians are going down well in Dr Who, Donna went down brilliantly, the doctor needs a best mate who will understand his actions and be the kind where he goes home to put his feet up after every trip & the Doctor can just knock on his door to "hang out", James Corden has all the set up to become that person and personally I found his character deep & brilliant in The Lodger!
iBlueBox
21-09-2011, 04:41 PM
Christmas Special Information!
Show boss Steven Moffat is planning lots of snow, chases through a wintry The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe-style forest, plus an icy baddie.The special sees the Time Lord (Matt Smith, 28) crash land in war-torn England. Posing as the caretaker of a creepy old house in Dorset he embarks on a magical mystery adventure with Madge Arwell and her two children, Lily and Cyril. The three have been evacuated from London as the capital comes under attack during World War Two. And there’s plenty of surprises as the Doctor leads them into a new world.
dbgtz
21-09-2011, 05:52 PM
The cast seems... interesting.
Matt Smith, Claire Skinner, Bill Bailey, Arabella Weir and Alexander Armstrong
"Icy monster."
Am I the only one thinking...
Accipiter
21-09-2011, 07:07 PM
Bill Bailey tends to play nut jobs so I expect him to be some sort of crazy house keeper / gardener
iBlueBox
22-09-2011, 02:51 PM
Series 7 of Doctor Who won't air in Spring 2012, in Autumn instead.
dbgtz
22-09-2011, 04:42 PM
Series 7 of Doctor Who won't air in Spring 2012, in Autumn instead.
For **** sake, who's idea was this and who said "OH WELL A FULL RELEASE IN SPRING SO WELL SPLIT IT" then that it didn't work so they just moved it to Autumn. Grrr.
Accipiter
22-09-2011, 04:43 PM
**** I'll be like, old by then...
dbgtz
24-09-2011, 04:18 PM
A teaser for todays episode (lol not really but it's lols)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCd5byuN170
Shockwave.2CC
24-09-2011, 05:06 PM
The weeping angels are the best
peteyt
24-09-2011, 05:44 PM
A teaser for todays episode (lol not really but it's lols)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK8GdRSzQJ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93b5dE062eA
Yesterday was fantastic! I like'd how it has all come into what happen before when he was killed, but there will be some daft twist as we all know he isnt going to proper die. because that would mean the end of doctor who.
There will be a shock twist, im only saying that because of the end, with the river song bit.
dbgtz
25-09-2011, 09:28 AM
The way the cybermen was beating was slightly dissapointing, but at least the whole "emotions win" things kind of made sense as the cybermens tech was probably a bit dodgy and then when craig could still feel emotions when he was hooked up it was just sent through the system to an extent. Good episode on the whole I'd say.
Also I think it was kinda cool how Karens irl modelling was referrenced.
Accipiter
25-09-2011, 10:54 AM
I have a feeling they're going to kill this Dr and there'll be a 2nd Doctor LMFAO, hopefully not...
I enjoyed yesterdays episode, and once again I still think James Cordon would make a brilliant Doctors best mate.
I know we've moaned at this series, we've said its given everything away, but we missed a bit like, why does the Doctor want to die?
iBlueBox
25-09-2011, 11:07 AM
I have a feeling they're going to kill this Dr and there'll be a 2nd Doctor LMFAO, hopefully not...
I enjoyed yesterdays episode, and once again I still think James Cordon would make a brilliant Doctors best mate.
I know we've moaned at this series, we've said its given everything away, but we missed a bit like, why does the Doctor want to die?
Well, because he's dangers? effects lives around him, he's lived a long time.
Also, I thought the cameo of Amy and Rory, would be better if they didn't appear. But The Doctor noticed the poster of Amy with the perfume,
Accipiter
25-09-2011, 11:38 AM
You don't need to die to stop being dangerous, he can merely travel alone and stop bumming earth and then the Human race wouldn't be targeted to get at the Dr
"I blew them up with love."
Sigh.
"I'm the Doctor and... you're welcome."
NO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN MY EYES.
If the Doctor is wearing a red tie, he hates apples and can't solve a Rubik's cube. If the Doctor is wearing a blue tie, he eats apples and solves Rubik's cubes. Is flesh Doctor is running around, or is The Doctor at different points of his time stream?
Oh and guess what colour tie he had on in Closing Time?
Accipiter
25-09-2011, 12:47 PM
A flesh doctor wouldn't be able to regenerate?
And the doctor was half way through regeneration when he died, he might just like changing ties
dbgtz
25-09-2011, 12:58 PM
"I blew them up with love."
Sigh.
"I'm the Doctor and... you're welcome."
NO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN MY EYES.
If the Doctor is wearing a red tie, he hates apples and can't solve a Rubik's cube. If the Doctor is wearing a blue tie, he eats apples and solves Rubik's cubes. Is flesh Doctor is running around, or is The Doctor at different points of his time stream?
Oh and guess what colour tie he had on in Closing Time?
In all fairness at the "I blew them up with love", he was starting to explain it then they got confused and **** so :P
Chippiewill
25-09-2011, 01:44 PM
I liked the episode except they just recycled it from the previous series
- Doctor visits Craig
- Craig feels insufficient for something
- Doctor does some investigating
- Doctor and Craig find the thing after some silly antics
- Craig uses the power of love to save the day
Not that I didn't enjoy it, but it just seemed very familiar. I liked the ending and it felt like a much better cliffhanger than in the past.
A flesh doctor wouldn't be able to regenerate?
And the doctor was half way through regeneration when he died, he might just like changing ties
What if he had been given regeneration energy, as in, all of the regenerations from a certain Melody...
Oh and we don't know if flesh can regenerate or not. I don't think it was mentioned in The Rebel Flesh at all, he got soniced though so who knows.
Accipiter
25-09-2011, 03:34 PM
I wouldn't have thought fleshes could regenerate and in logical thinking regeneration power is going to be more dangerous than sonic power so I'd imagine it'd kill a flesh!
And didn't the doctor die for a moment, when flesh dies it melts?
peteyt
25-09-2011, 04:41 PM
I think the Flesh doctor being the regenerating doctor would make sense. I mean not sure how else they would pull it off. If this is the real doctor then isn't it a kind of time loop.
The interesting question is who still thinks the doctor knew what was coming, because he did seem a little surprised when he read the message on the screen about his death (although maybe he knew it was coming just not when). I mean I still kind of think Amy was talking to the real doctor and not the flesh doctor when she said what he saw. Knowing this he could easily have used the flesh somehow.
BUT. Do you think they will ever explain the key thing I've been wondering. THE CRACKS!
I know it might be old, but the doctor closed the cracks but we still haven't identified the voice that said silence will fall - didn't sound like the silence that where the alien race.
AND if killing the doctor was their goal, why destroy the whole of the universe, it doesn't add up.
Chippiewill
25-09-2011, 04:45 PM
And didn't the doctor die for a moment, when flesh dies it melts?
At the end of the flesh episodes one of them became "solidified" or something, same thing could occur again.
Accipiter
25-09-2011, 04:45 PM
If the dead doctor is a flesh doctor then it'll just be a total cop out and I won't like it at all, it's not mind blowing or adventurous, it's just another "hey, this wasn't actually Doctor who, it was Flesh, so we kinda named our show wrong"
The cracks where explained that it was the tardis, but I don't think it was explained how the tardis blew up, but it's likely that there might be a silence on board, who knows.
Inseriousity.
25-09-2011, 04:57 PM
I have a feeling they're going to kill this Dr and there'll be a 2nd Doctor LMFAO, hopefully not...
I enjoyed yesterdays episode, and once again I still think James Cordon would make a brilliant Doctors best mate.
I know we've moaned at this series, we've said its given everything away, but we missed a bit like, why does the Doctor want to die?
He doesn't wanna die, he just knows it's gonna happen and has resigned himself to it. I'm sure next episode when he finds the timey wimey loophole, he'll grab it with both hands :D
good episode. sure it's a repeat of the lodger but i thought it was a good formula that worked. although couldnt stop singing the theme tune for Come Outside when I saw auntie mabel :P
Accipiter
25-09-2011, 05:09 PM
David Tennant Dr from parralel universe will show up and be like -shades off, "whats crackalacking *******"
If only!
peteyt
25-09-2011, 05:14 PM
If the dead doctor is a flesh doctor then it'll just be a total cop out and I won't like it at all, it's not mind blowing or adventurous, it's just another "hey, this wasn't actually Doctor who, it was Flesh, so we kinda named our show wrong"
The cracks where explained that it was the tardis, but I don't think it was explained how the tardis blew up, but it's likely that there might be a silence on board, who knows.
At the end of the following series they knew what had caused the cracks but not who. The problem is the voice that controlled the tardis didn't sound like the silence, It sounded more like Davros but I doubt it was him.
I just hope it gets mentioned as at the moment it seems to be like they've thrown it away.
dbgtz
25-09-2011, 05:16 PM
David Tennant Dr from parralel universe will show up and be like -shades off, "whats crackalacking *******"
If only!
I hope they use that person sometime, though they could technically use it when David Tennant is 70 considering he naturally ages :L I mean it was obviously put there just for it to come back as they must of known David was having doubts on if he should continue at the time the episode was being written, but because of his popularity they shoved duplicated him for if he were to leave, then decide to return.
Accipiter
25-09-2011, 05:43 PM
The Doctor doesn't half love ditching his blood does he
First his genetic daughter then his Human version, wonder if rose married Human Doctor
dbgtz
25-09-2011, 06:18 PM
The Doctor doesn't half love ditching his blood does he
First his genetic daughter then his Human version, wonder if rose married Human Doctor
Well either way, I don't want to see Rose again.
Accipiter
25-09-2011, 06:19 PM
She gets bit by rose (dog) and dies from parralel rabies turning her into a zombie
Rashelly
25-09-2011, 09:38 PM
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I thought last nights ep was... eh, average. Which is a shame because I really liked The Lodger!
The ending though... THAT was good! Can't wait for next week!
I thought it would have been x10 better if Pippin came in and saved the day.
iBlueBox
27-09-2011, 07:28 PM
Seen this on youtube thought it was really sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNIFImtNLAI&feature=feedf
I'm so not rewatching Series One + Two after seeing that...
dbgtz
27-09-2011, 09:18 PM
Seen this on youtube thought it was really sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNIFImtNLAI&feature=feedf
I'm guessing that was never legit considering you can hear Karen speak? :P Still rather cool, I'd of quite liked a referrence like that one day with any companion.
peteyt
28-09-2011, 06:33 PM
I'm guessing that was never legit considering you can hear Karen speak? :P Still rather cool, I'd of quite liked a referrence like that one day with any companion.
A reference yeah, but not Rose. People need to get over her. There was an interesting scene when the flesh was remembering everything and said something on the lines like no, we are over it - as in the depressing kind of doctor ha.
Chippiewill
28-09-2011, 07:10 PM
Doctor who confidential has been cancelled D:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/sep/28/doctor-who-confidential-axed
Accipiter
28-09-2011, 07:20 PM
That is a really shame, I really enjoy seeing the characters insights, Dr Who is more than what goes on on camera and always has been!
dbgtz
28-09-2011, 07:33 PM
Lots of support to stop the cancellation. I don't get why they did, it can't be expensive to make and they're essentially creating 2 tv shows from 1, I mean could they not just repeat it to death like every other show so it has it's value.
Rashelly
28-09-2011, 09:15 PM
Nooooo! Confidential needs to stay :(
peteyt
28-09-2011, 09:41 PM
Lots of support to stop the cancellation. I don't get why they did, it can't be expensive to make and they're essentially creating 2 tv shows from 1, I mean could they not just repeat it to death like every other show so it has it's value.
I wonder if that means however the money they save will go to the show. Still a shame.
dbgtz
28-09-2011, 09:45 PM
I wonder if that means however the money they save will go to the show. Still a shame.
No it will probably just fall into the CEOs pocket whilst they decide to rise the licence by 20% :7 But no if the BBC are smart they will annul the decision.
Accipiter
29-09-2011, 06:39 AM
BBC Only have a say in raising the licence fee, they can't just do it.
And going by last year it's likely they won't raise it, they were considering cancelling the BBC's licence fee for a period.
As for not showing the show, the only thing that would take up is air time, which doesn't cost them anything because they don't have adverts inbetween to get an income from.
I agree that it shouldn't be cancelled and that it is basically cheap to make (except having to pay editors) because Dr Who without confidential totally takes a lot of enjoyment.
How about cancel other crap you put on that no one watches!
peteyt
29-09-2011, 04:52 PM
At least two pints of larger has finally been cancelled.
**** GONNA GO DOWN TOMORROW.
Never been excited for a Moffat finale.
Accipiter
30-09-2011, 04:30 PM
The prequel makes it sound like Riversong created the silence o_o
dbgtz
30-09-2011, 04:30 PM
**** GONNA GO DOWN TOMORROW.
Never been excited for a Moffat finale.
What, you mean all the other one?
What, you mean all the other one?
Last time I was like "Okay... this is too good to live up to its potential but okay."
Smurfed-
01-10-2011, 01:23 PM
at the end of last episode when the Doctor picked up the blue envelopes I started to think if the second part of the series actually happened before the first?
at the end of last episode when the Doctor picked up the blue envelopes I started to think if the second part of the series actually happened before the first?
Probs not.
dbgtz
01-10-2011, 01:57 PM
at the end of last episode when the Doctor picked up the blue envelopes I started to think if the second part of the series actually happened before the first?
Have you forgotten he's a time traveller? For all we know Craig is far into the future. :P Also I like your avatar ;)
Smurfed-
01-10-2011, 02:08 PM
Haha thanks :) I could have thought it through a bit more :P I can't wait For tonight :D
Me watching the next series or not depends entirely on whether Moffat tries to throw a trillion plot arcs in our faces like he did with The Big Bang... or not.
I'm only changing my mind given the quality of episodes recently.
So river didnt kill him? lol wtf?
THEY GOT MARRIED?
---------- Post added 01-10-2011 at 07:49 PM ----------
I knew it! that robot thing!!!! LOL
Accipiter
01-10-2011, 06:51 PM
I love the kind of "magic feel" about it
And although a lot of the episode was a bit patchy, I found the last 5 mins made up for it all.
dbgtz
01-10-2011, 06:52 PM
I thought this was actually a well put together finale and beats last years where he was "reborn" just by Amys thought.
We're going to find out the Doctor's name.
Okay I'm sticking around Moffat, that is an arc I can get behind.
I thought this was actually a well put together finale and beats last years where he was "reborn" just by Amys thought.
In a way it was 'the power of love' all over again but... actually made sense.
WAIT.
If the Doctor never told River his name, as far as we know, then what did she whisper in Ten's ear? Or hasn't she learned his name yet?
triston220
01-10-2011, 06:53 PM
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had a feeling the mini people were going to play a part in it. :D
Stephen
01-10-2011, 06:54 PM
thought that was quite good tbh. Now time for some merlin woowoo
dbgtz
01-10-2011, 06:55 PM
We're going to find out the Doctor's name.
Okay I'm sticking around Moffat, that is an arc I can get behind.
I hope we don't as it's been around for a long time and really, what gives Moffat the right to determine and reveal it.
I hope we don't as it's been around for a long time and really, what gives Moffat the right to determine and reveal it.
What gives him the right to marry him up?
Accipiter
01-10-2011, 07:43 PM
I have a feeling it'll be a long time until the name is revealed to us again.
And I don't think the name will be revealed with by the question "Doctor who?" as it can kind of hint towards no one knowing who he is (he's hiding from now on, yes?)
Inseriousity.
01-10-2011, 07:59 PM
I thought that was crap. Much prefered the Big Bang. Yes it was a big massive reset button at the end but it was charming, funny and clever. This just felt to me like the script was saying 'I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW NER NER NER.' As soon as we saw the tesselector at the beginning, it was obvious what was gonna happen.
I'm so disappointed. thank god Merlin was such bad ass episode it made up for this :(
clever
THE POWER OF LOVE!
Inseriousity.
01-10-2011, 08:02 PM
Yes watching it again, it is just one big reset button (dr who does this a lot, I'm not entirely fussed if it's done right), it was just that but the first time I had a massive grin on my face at how I didn't spot 'Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue' coming. I thought it was clever.
Chippiewill
01-10-2011, 08:13 PM
Well, Confidential was just really interesting, I really enjoyed that explanation, I was really waiting for that.
In terms of the episode:
a) Should have been an hour special, everything was too condensed
b) It was just as much a reset as the big bang
c) If that guy from BSG says "That really is the doctor and he really is dead" he better bloody be dead and the method for saving him had better bloody be more imaginative than it not really being the doctor.
d) The bit right right at the end was very well done
e) Moffat can right some things very well, others thing well and a lot of things badly because he spends his entire time for those good things and sloppily writes the rest of it.
iBlueBox
01-10-2011, 08:49 PM
I felt it was a bit rushed for 45 mins long.
I don't think it was as good as, Series 5.
Overall Series 6 as a whole, It wasn't the best. The episodes lets face it, Was confusing for the average view to switch on the tv and follow along from anywhere.
Doctor Who needs to go back to the style of 13 episodes, Not as confusing and good quality episodes.
Chippiewill
01-10-2011, 08:55 PM
I felt it was a bit rushed for 45 mins long.
I don't think it was as good as, Series 5.
Overall Series 6 as a whole, It wasn't the best. The episodes lets face it, Was confusing for the average view to switch on the tv and follow along from anywhere.
Doctor Who needs to go back to the style of 13 episodes, Not as confusing and good quality episodes.
I have to agree there was a lack of continuity and a lot of confusion, the time slot was also very erratic. They also wasted a lot of the time on building up the story arc, there were five episodes dedicated solely to the story arc, it would make sense for a traditional 20 episode series, however this is nonsense considering how short the series is for a tv show.
Lost_Addict
02-10-2011, 01:00 AM
It seems next season will be Matt Smiths last. I know this is only speculation but i think it's obvious that next serious finale will be the question, and the blue dude said when the question is asked there will be the fall of the 11th. And you guessed it Matt Smith is the 11th Dr.
Thats my theory anyway :)
Also i thought it was actually a stellar episode, 1 of only 2 this half of the series i could actually call "good".
Chippiewill
02-10-2011, 09:41 AM
Well, really the question can be put off until the last series, doesn't have to be the next one.
Still some questions to be solved:
Tardis Exploding
Four hundred years between the doctor which "dies" and the doctor at the start of the series.
Rashelly
02-10-2011, 04:22 PM
Well, really the question can be put off until the last series, doesn't have to be the next one.
Still some questions to be solved:
Tardis Exploding
Four hundred years between the doctor which "dies" and the doctor at the start of the series.
Two hundred years! and it was kind of showed/explained... In short. His farewell tour and him tracking The Silence. I'm assuming there's a lot of stuff he did with River, too.
peteyt
02-10-2011, 06:00 PM
Well, really the question can be put off until the last series, doesn't have to be the next one.
Still some questions to be solved:
Tardis Exploding
Four hundred years between the doctor which "dies" and the doctor at the start of the series.
Exactly, I'm still waiting to see about the Tardis. I liked the episode but it seemed rushed. I didn't expect it to be the teselator thing, I thought it was going to be the clone Doctor thing. I kind of liked the simplicity of it but at the same time I'm questioning if it makes sense. The Doctor dying is a fixed point in time, it has to happen right. So surely not killing him, but killing someone who looks like him would still cause the time rift thing.
peteyt
02-10-2011, 06:29 PM
Ignore that. I get it now. His death the fixed point in time was always what we saw happen.
Chippiewill
08-10-2011, 11:54 PM
I'm assuming there's a lot of stuff he did with River, too.
Which we haven't seen yet ;)
Accipiter
09-10-2011, 02:57 PM
I kinda liked the world where time was frozen... such a shame :(
Stephen
09-10-2011, 03:26 PM
Which we haven't seen yet ;)
R18 rating i bet
Rashelly
10-10-2011, 09:23 PM
Which we haven't seen yet ;)
Indeed! Not sure we will see it... But I hope we do. I don't care how many Rose/Doctor shippers (or any other people for that matter) hate River, they'll forever be my OTP!
If Moffat screws up the 50th anniversary with "oooh hint hints" I will be furious.
If he unravels the Doctor's name or just outright introduces a real, powerful gamechanger than I'll be fine with it.
If it's just the Doctors all running around being all silly. YES!
A lot of plot holes to be honest.
2 hundred years between the doctor which "dies" and the doctor at the start of the series.
River song is technically not a murderer as the time travelling justice squad saw the entire story essentially so why was she imprisoned.
If she doesn't know his name yet then what did she whisper to tennant in Silence in the Library where they first met in his timeline.
how does the girl that is blatantly a young Melody Pond tie in with the rest of the story.
Rashelly
12-10-2011, 06:43 PM
A lot of plot holes to be honest.
River song is technically not a murderer as the time travelling justice squad saw the entire story essentially so why was she imprisoned.
If she doesn't know his name yet then what did she whisper to tennant in Silence in the Library where they first met in his timeline.
how does the girl that is blatantly a young Melody Pond tie in with the rest of the story.
They had to pretend so everyone would think the doctor died.
His name... He could have told her his name in the last 200 years which we missed. They did a lot of stuff then...
The girl in the spacesuit? It's just what happened to river as a kid. Where the silence kept her, how the spacesuit came about and such
It all went downhill after Eccleston left. You actually believed that The Doctor was this thing of myth across the universe, and they turned him into a joke. They turned it into a kids tv show, which it never was.
Now all the Doctors look like skinny emo-kids and solves every episode by seemingly pressing a button or the overuse of the screwdriver.
Big dissapointment, it had so much potential. Robert Carlyle for the next Doctor (as he was touted before they unveiled that woeful runt Matt Smith), he will actually bring a darker side to the whole thing, rather than laughing off mass genocide, the eccentric thing is running a bit thin now.
And a another thing, who actually found the whole River Song a big meander for nothing. It was cringe-worthy when you saw this middle-aged old queen try and pretend to be mysterious and sexy. Boo.
Chippiewill
13-10-2011, 07:24 PM
Oh god, Robert Carlyle would be such a cool doctor.
River song is technically not a murderer as the time travelling justice squad saw the entire story essentially so why was she imprisoned.
I don't think they were on the teselator at the time.
If she doesn't know his name yet then what did she whisper to tennant in Silence in the Library where they first met in his timeline.
She finds out his name a bit later in her timeline.
Posting 'Doctor Who and Me 5' at the weekend; my thoughts on this Series and Torchwood and general Who.
Probably elaborate on the whole "Watching next series" or not.
dbgtz
13-10-2011, 07:58 PM
Posting 'Doctor Who and Me 5' at the weekend; my thoughts on this Series and Torchwood and general Who.
Probably elaborate on the whole "Watching next series" or not.
Gonna mention DWC?
Gonna mention DWC?
Maybe. I was considering going through my boxsets and doing a complete overview for a 'Doctor Who and Me 6'.
Might just do a little overview.
iBlueBox
13-10-2011, 08:37 PM
Got this today, emailed him like 3 weeks ago
http://i52.tinypic.com/213n8y.jpg
Rashelly
14-10-2011, 02:57 AM
It all went downhill after Eccleston left. You actually believed that The Doctor was this thing of myth across the universe, and they turned him into a joke. They turned it into a kids tv show, which it never was.
Now all the Doctors look like skinny emo-kids and solves every episode by seemingly pressing a button or the overuse of the screwdriver.
Big dissapointment, it had so much potential. Robert Carlyle for the next Doctor (as he was touted before they unveiled that woeful runt Matt Smith), he will actually bring a darker side to the whole thing, rather than laughing off mass genocide, the eccentric thing is running a bit thin now.
And a another thing, who actually found the whole River Song a big meander for nothing. It was cringe-worthy when you saw this middle-aged old queen try and pretend to be mysterious and sexy. Boo.
While we're all entitled to an opinion, I have to disagree with... Mostly everything.
While I agree that it has become more child-friendly especially since Matt Smith, it was always intended as a family show.
Series one IMO is the worst season. Besides a few episodes, it was pretty bad.
The Doctor isn't supposed to be dark... It's the newer series (ie not classic) that tried to give him some depth. I'd also say that most Doctors have been eccentric... No point in stopping that now.
samsaBEAR
14-10-2011, 12:01 PM
The Doctor does have to be eccentric yes, and while I'm a big fan of Matt Smith, I do think they need to sit back and write better storylines for him. All this Silence stuff is all well and good, but it's all solved in the episodes far too quickly, and there's never a sense that the Doctor might actually be defeated.
peteyt
15-10-2011, 02:45 AM
The Doctor does have to be eccentric yes, and while I'm a big fan of Matt Smith, I do think they need to sit back and write better storylines for him. All this Silence stuff is all well and good, but it's all solved in the episodes far too quickly, and there's never a sense that the Doctor might actually be defeated.
Have to agree. While I enjoyed the finale it felt like just random stuff simply there to add to the end. I didn't like how we didn't see a lot like most of it was him thinking back, I'd have rather saw how it happened. I'm a big fan of the original who and while a lot of the audience of today's who would find it dragged too much, to me it was just right. Stories in classic who could be told well, and while some of new who's are, some of them seem to be rushed.
I have to disagree about series 1 being bad. I think Eccleston is quite underrated. He wasn't really active outside the filming, didn't seem to do a lot of promotion on shows and so on like Tennant and Smith, and it just seems like he gets overlooked. I liked the fact that the doctor we got was played like someone with a load of bad past on his shoulder. He played at times the hard doctor. It got annoying when we got the opposite all the time with Tennant, instead of trying to hide the past he'd just turn all upset.
However I do think series 6 wasn't exactly child friendly. It was, but it also had all the complicated stuff, which a lot of people said where confusing for the young. It is a family show, but it does have adult elements, and I think this series could have had more than some.
One question. Does anyone think that the internet has changed a lot of shows though. I mean I wasn't around when Doctor Who was on, but I could imagine without the net, people thought each adventure he may die at times. Now we can see a load of info on multiple episodes coming up so we know he'll survive.
One question. Does anyone think that the internet has changed a lot of shows though. I mean I wasn't around when Doctor Who was on, but I could imagine without the net, people thought each adventure he may die at times. Now we can see a load of info on multiple episodes coming up so we know he'll survive.
Definitely.
Series one IMO is the worst season. Besides a few episodes, it was pretty bad. The Doctor isn't supposed to be dark... It's the newer series (ie not classic) that tried to give him some depth. I'd also say that most Doctors have been eccentric... No point in stopping that now.
Quite laughable, sorry, but all great shows are built on conflict and the best conflict is what resides within characters. The Doctor killed the Time Lords and the Daleks and that big mound of guilt was what kept him angry. Rose Tyler humanized him and the progression of his humanity plus the fantastic episodes (only 4 of Series One do I dislike heavily) make Series One, for me, the best season so far,
Lost_Addict
15-10-2011, 11:01 AM
I have to say on this point i agree with Fez 100%
My bloggins thoughts on Series Six, Part One are up. Beefing up the analysis a bit more.
NOTE: Contains naughty words, swearing and repeated reference to how amazing Rory is.
http://blogossus.wordpress.com/2011/10/15/doctor-who-and-me-5/
peteyt
16-10-2011, 12:06 AM
My bloggins thoughts on Series Six, Part One are up. Beefing up the analysis a bit more.
NOTE: Contains naughty words, swearing and repeated reference to how amazing Rory is.
http://blogossus.wordpress.com/2011/10/15/doctor-who-and-me-5/
Again I agree with part of it. This series has had problems, but I've always stated I prefer Moffat over Davies. I think if we take a couple of the plots out, if the stories had been a bit longer, to avoid the cramming of too much stuff (look at old who) then it could have been amazing.
samsaBEAR
16-10-2011, 12:46 AM
Have to agree. While I enjoyed the finale it felt like just random stuff simply there to add to the end. I didn't like how we didn't see a lot like most of it was him thinking back, I'd have rather saw how it happened. I'm a big fan of the original who and while a lot of the audience of today's who would find it dragged too much, to me it was just right. Stories in classic who could be told well, and while some of new who's are, some of them seem to be rushed.
I have to disagree about series 1 being bad. I think Eccleston is quite underrated. He wasn't really active outside the filming, didn't seem to do a lot of promotion on shows and so on like Tennant and Smith, and it just seems like he gets overlooked. I liked the fact that the doctor we got was played like someone with a load of bad past on his shoulder. He played at times the hard doctor. It got annoying when we got the opposite all the time with Tennant, instead of trying to hide the past he'd just turn all upset.
However I do think series 6 wasn't exactly child friendly. It was, but it also had all the complicated stuff, which a lot of people said where confusing for the young. It is a family show, but it does have adult elements, and I think this series could have had more than some.
One question. Does anyone think that the internet has changed a lot of shows though. I mean I wasn't around when Doctor Who was on, but I could imagine without the net, people thought each adventure he may die at times. Now we can see a load of info on multiple episodes coming up so we know he'll survive.
Agree with all of this really. Ecclestone might not be my favourite Doctor but like you said, he was more secretive about his past, which meant when stuff was revealed it was more 'exciting'. Now it's like 'oh he did this and that, wow' sort of thing. I think they should bring back that element of secrecy to the show somehow
The Doctor himself said obviously that he wanted to stay under the radar rather than be all showy, so I hope that stays with the next series
peteyt
16-10-2011, 02:01 AM
Agree with all of this really. Ecclestone might not be my favourite Doctor but like you said, he was more secretive about his past, which meant when stuff was revealed it was more 'exciting'. Now it's like 'oh he did this and that, wow' sort of thing. I think they should bring back that element of secrecy to the show somehow
The Doctor himself said obviously that he wanted to stay under the radar rather than be all showy, so I hope that stays with the next series
Yeah exactly. It seems today's Doctors know and have met everyone. Now classic who did mention famous people in the past, name dropping like new who does. However its went past the stage of name dropping now. At times the Doctor can just shout I am the doctor, run for your life or will use something else, all of a sudden to fix things.
I hope with the next series we end up getting a doctor that can't tell people who he is, so he can't simply use his name as a weapon and scare his enemies. He'll instead have to think for his life, using initiative and cunning ways.
I think I've mentioned this possibly a few times but I'd like to see for a short time the Doctor not being able to fully control his Tardis like in Classic Who. The great thing about that is the Doctor's in Classic Who often had no idea where they where, so they had to try and work out their location while trying to solve other stuff that was happening. Now it seems he knows everywhere, so he can't really land in some place and explore as much as he used to.
Also maybe for a bit get rid of the sonic screwdriver and see him have to use other ways to get out. It was removed I believe at some point in classic who due to the fact it was getting overused, same reason I think they took out K9.
Rashelly
16-10-2011, 03:13 AM
Definitely.
Quite laughable, sorry, but all great shows are built on conflict and the best conflict is what resides within characters. The Doctor killed the Time Lords and the Daleks and that big mound of guilt was what kept him angry. Rose Tyler humanized him and the progression of his humanity plus the fantastic episodes (only 4 of Series One do I dislike heavily) make Series One, for me, the best season so far,
Not sure why that's laughable TBH, it was my opinion. Yes, you're technically right and you can analyse it 'til the cows come home but it doesn't change anything. I enjoyed season 1 the least. It's as simple as that and there's nothing wrong with that. It was simply less entertaining for me.
I don't dislike Eccleston either but he is my least favourite Doctor out of the new 3.
One of the main reasons I disliked season 1 was because of the acting, which is the main thing I cringe at. Billie Piper isn't the best actor, although IMO she improved.
As for the internet changing TV shows - totally agree.
samsaBEAR
17-10-2011, 12:44 AM
Yeah exactly. It seems today's Doctors know and have met everyone. Now classic who did mention famous people in the past, name dropping like new who does. However its went past the stage of name dropping now. At times the Doctor can just shout I am the doctor, run for your life or will use something else, all of a sudden to fix things.
I hope with the next series we end up getting a doctor that can't tell people who he is, so he can't simply use his name as a weapon and scare his enemies. He'll instead have to think for his life, using initiative and cunning ways.
I think I've mentioned this possibly a few times but I'd like to see for a short time the Doctor not being able to fully control his Tardis like in Classic Who. The great thing about that is the Doctor's in Classic Who often had no idea where they where, so they had to try and work out their location while trying to solve other stuff that was happening. Now it seems he knows everywhere, so he can't really land in some place and explore as much as he used to.
Also maybe for a bit get rid of the sonic screwdriver and see him have to use other ways to get out. It was removed I believe at some point in classic who due to the fact it was getting overused, same reason I think they took out K9.
Getting rid of the sonic screwdriver (or somehow lowering it's power/usefulness) would definitely be a good idea, and I love the idea of him not being able to control the Tardis again. I feel like Matt's Doctor 'knows too much' sort of thing, and it would be great to throw him into situations where he has no idea what's going on
My final thoughts on Doctor Who - Series Six.
WARNING: SPOILERS, BAD WORDS PROBABLY. PROBABLY.
http://blogossus.wordpress.com/2011/10/23/doctor-who-and-me-6/
Yes I am 100% serious that I won't watch Doctor Who anymore[/URL]
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Chippiewill
23-10-2011, 09:53 PM
Yes I am 100% serious that I won't watch Doctor Who anymore[/URL]
[URL="http://blogossus.wordpress.com/2011/10/23/doctor-who-and-me-6/"] (http://blogossus.wordpress.com/2011/10/23/doctor-who-and-me-6/)
Pfft, when the next season comes about you'll be watching it with the rest of us, even if only to criticise it.
Accipiter
23-10-2011, 09:55 PM
Why are you putting things in spoilers that wouldn't spoil anything?
I'm still a fan of Doctor Who tbf, and I highly doubt Fez will quit watching when it comes around next time.
I don't get off on the criticism, never have, and if that's the only thing I can do with Who then I have to stop watching.
peteyt
24-10-2011, 04:09 AM
I don't get off on the criticism, never have, and if that's the only thing I can do with Who then I have to stop watching.
Maybe its just me, but I still find it hard to believe anyone who could put up with Russell T Davies's over the top comedy, the fact he liked to try and regularly put his own sexuality into the program, the massive use of cliché endings and the over the top soap like feel, can't sit through Moffat.
Believe me I don't think Moffat is perfect. But I think he's dared to try and do a bit more. He said that last series he wanted to comfort the audience, make people realise that while it was a new doctor, it still was the doctor, and the series just gone was to do the opposite, to pull the rug from under our feet. One of the big things I like, is he tries to use more SC-FI elements. The whole time can be rewritten stuff does get a bit annoying after a while, but it's nice that a show about Time Travel actually uses Time Travel and stuff around it more than it used to.
Obviously everyone has their own opinion. I loved series 1 with Eccleston, the dark wounded doctor we met. But Rose and especially her family got a bit annoying throughout her seasons and then we get Martha and her family. It is quite interesting to notice we have only briefly seen Amy's for the wedding near the end. I also found that Davies made Tennant into what could be classed as en emo doctor, which at first wasn't too bad until it got overused. We ended up with a doctor who'd cry or get angry and grit his teeth.
I do think Moffat went a bit overboard with the arch stuff and as you said turned it into Lost. Take a few of the stuff out and it might have not been as bad. I don't mind an Arch. I really enjoyed the crack arch from the previous season and loved the whole concept of him going back in the second part of the angel - the doctor who talks to Amy in that episode while her eyes are closed in one scene being a doctor from the future, the key thing in a lot of episodes being memory, the whole crack concept covering it.
I think maybe if Moffat is clever and listens he may tone it down. I did hear at one point the next series would all be stand alone episodes, although we know there's the question thing so I wonder if instead it will simply be one hanging arch. If he does that, and keeps the arch going, just not making it too complicated, it might be a really good series in my opinion.
Maybe its just me, but I still find it hard to believe anyone who could put up with Russell T Davies's over the top comedy, the fact he liked to try and regularly put his own sexuality into the program, the massive use of cliché endings and the over the top soap like feel, can't sit through Moffat.
The fact is that the same exact stuff has carried over into Moffat's era. The comedy at play is perfect for the Doctor, all silly and that, Tennant had his funny bits too. There was over the top comedy, yes, but that's evident here as well. Some of the gags in Closing Time were a bit irksome, some of the stuff in The Beast Below wasn't my thing and it was generally wibbly-wobbly in tone throughout Series 5 anyway. The gay agenda is still here, by the way, there's a couple in AGMGTW, the gags in Closing Time, Moffat inserted a 'beard' joke into the Davison thing and Series 5 was full of little nods.
Oh and the cliché endings? They're still here: the power of love, the big reset button, 'remembering into existence' and all manner of things. They're even more blatant with Closing Time (I keep mentioning it, I do actually like the episode) literally having the line of "I beat them with love."
The show doesn't feel like a soap but it does feel like LOST.
Believe me I don't think Moffat is perfect. But I think he's dared to try and do a bit more. He said that last series he wanted to comfort the audience, make people realise that while it was a new doctor, it still was the doctor, and the series just gone was to do the opposite, to pull the rug from under our feet. One of the big things I like, is he tries to use more SC-FI elements. The whole time can be rewritten stuff does get a bit annoying after a while, but it's nice that a show about Time Travel actually uses Time Travel and stuff around it more than it used to.
Series 5 was definitely a failed experiment, in my eyes, with only a few salvageable scraps. Series Six is definitely the better of the Moffat era so far but that philosophy is still intact and I just can't bear to witness it anymore.
Obviously everyone has their own opinion. I loved series 1 with Eccleston, the dark wounded doctor we met. But Rose and especially her family got a bit annoying throughout her seasons and then we get Martha and her family. It is quite interesting to notice we have only briefly seen Amy's for the wedding near the end. I also found that Davies made Tennant into what could be classed as en emo doctor, which at first wasn't too bad until it got overused. We ended up with a doctor who'd cry or get angry and grit his teeth.
Fact is that the best way to characterize the companions is to show their human side. To show their ties and the people they care about so that when Jackie thinks Rose's dead uncle is back from the grave or Martha's family are put into slavery by the Doctor, we don't roll our eyes and turn of the telly. It got a bit much, yes, but I found Amy's family to be utterly ridiculous. We see them once after being remembered back into existence and everything seems hunky dory.
Oh and the 'Time Lord victorious' stuff towards the end of Tennant's run was incredible. The wibbly-wobbly finale part of Series Four, however, yeah I agree.
I do think Moffat went a bit overboard with the arch stuff and as you said turned it into Lost. Take a few of the stuff out and it might have not been as bad. I don't mind an Arch. I really enjoyed the crack arch from the previous season and loved the whole concept of him going back in the second part of the angel - the doctor who talks to Amy in that episode while her eyes are closed in one scene being a doctor from the future, the key thing in a lot of episodes being memory, the whole crack concept covering it.
I loved that too. Proper clues to talk about and it's a shame it didn't happen more frequently. That kinda stuff I liked, would've been great to have a Silent show up in the background of the episodes or something.
I think maybe if Moffat is clever and listens he may tone it down. I did hear at one point the next series would all be stand alone episodes, although we know there's the question thing so I wonder if instead it will simply be one hanging arch. If he does that, and keeps the arch going, just not making it too complicated, it might be a really good series in my opinion.
I have no idea but I don't want to be lampooned again, Moffat is too clever for his own good. I'll be around for the fiftieth anniversary but I just don't want to watch Who anymore. It bores me with all of his 'revelations' which should revolutionize characters and be game-changers but still feel irrelevant. The 'question' stuff is more interesting as it looks like we're on the Silence's side in this respect, I doubt any of us want to know his name, and it's the Doctor anyway. As for Moffat saying next series will be more stand-alone.
Rule one:
The Doctor lies.
Chippiewill
24-10-2011, 03:38 PM
I think what grinds me with Moffat is not the arcs, the arcs and the nudges and the hints and the continuity and the mix-around is all orchaestrated perfectly, Moffat is fantastic at it, because he's prepared to play the long game, he's even been playing the River Song thing since before he was in charge, he'd even defined future plot elements and references way back then. This is what makes Moffat a great writer. Then what lets him down is his pride, he becomes so worked up in having played the long game and keeping it all hidden and all that so when he comes to the reveal he devotes the entire episode towards it, to such an end that :
a) It becomes un-enjoyable because the episode has no substance
b) We can see the plot ending from a mile away
c) The reveal is underwhelming
This recent series really suffered from it due to the two reveals in the series.
peteyt
24-10-2011, 04:07 PM
The fact is that the same exact stuff has carried over into Moffat's era. The comedy at play is perfect for the Doctor, all silly and that, Tennant had his funny bits too. There was over the top comedy, yes, but that's evident here as well. Some of the gags in Closing Time were a bit irksome, some of the stuff in The Beast Below wasn't my thing and it was generally wibbly-wobbly in tone throughout Series 5 anyway. The gay agenda is still here, by the way, there's a couple in AGMGTW, the gags in Closing Time, Moffat inserted a 'beard' joke into the Davison thing and Series 5 was full of little nods.
Oh and the cliché endings? They're still here: the power of love, the big reset button, 'remembering into existence' and all manner of things. They're even more blatant with Closing Time (I keep mentioning it, I do actually like the episode) literally having the line of "I beat them with love."
The show doesn't feel like a soap but it does feel like LOST.
Series 5 was definitely a failed experiment, in my eyes, with only a few salvageable scraps. Series Six is definitely the better of the Moffat era so far but that philosophy is still intact and I just can't bear to witness it anymore.
Fact is that the best way to characterize the companions is to show their human side. To show their ties and the people they care about so that when Jackie thinks Rose's dead uncle is back from the grave or Martha's family are put into slavery by the Doctor, we don't roll our eyes and turn of the telly. It got a bit much, yes, but I found Amy's family to be utterly ridiculous. We see them once after being remembered back into existence and everything seems hunky dory.
Oh and the 'Time Lord victorious' stuff towards the end of Tennant's run was incredible. The wibbly-wobbly finale part of Series Four, however, yeah I agree.
I loved that too. Proper clues to talk about and it's a shame it didn't happen more frequently. That kinda stuff I liked, would've been great to have a Silent show up in the background of the episodes or something.
I have no idea but I don't want to be lampooned again, Moffat is too clever for his own good. I'll be around for the fiftieth anniversary but I just don't want to watch Who anymore. It bores me with all of his 'revelations' which should revolutionize characters and be game-changers but still feel irrelevant. The 'question' stuff is more interesting as it looks like we're on the Silence's side in this respect, I doubt any of us want to know his name, and it's the Doctor anyway. As for Moffat saying next series will be more stand-alone.
Rule one:
The Doctor lies.
That is my point though. Yeah some of the endings are still cliché, comedy is still used, so if you cut put up with it for Davies, I don't see why you can't put up with it with Moffat.
To me both have their flaws. Davies could write, but seemed to fail with finales. Moffat to me is better, but still not perfect, and the wedding of river song was too compacted, it needed to be longer. I like the fact Moffat has planned the stories a while back although some of the reveals where a bit obvious eventually, River Song being one. But then again, maybe a simple reveal is just as good. I bet if it was something over the top, River Song is this or that, the Rani or something, we'd all be like eh.
I think series 5 was good, because it didn't try to throw too many arch's at us. We had the whole crack thing, that most of it, bar the Tardis Exploding, was fully revealed. It was light to me arch wise. Maybe Moffat will realise he threw too much at us in this series just gone, and tone it down.
My point is there where really bad episodes by Davies, and bad episodes by Moffat. But each had some good stuff in there. Like you mentioned in your review, the girl who waited and the god complex both looked at very human factors. Yet it was able to do it without turning it into a soap.
I enjoyed the idea of Rose leaving and coming back a few days later to discover it was a year. It showed something that the original classic who hadn't, simply how leaving with the doctor could effect others, family etc. That you simply can't just go off and no one will realise your missing. For one episode it was good, but then it was overused. Adding on top of that Mickey, we kind of got a weird love triangle developing. I don't mind a bit of drama but when its used regularly, well I simply got sick of it.
Then to give Rose the other doctor. Why did Davies give the happy ending. I mean Rose had screwed around with Mickey's mind for so long, gets with her finally, although even if partly forced due to the fact she had no choice, only for her to eventually run of with the other doctor. It just didn't make sense to me. It felt like a fairy tale ending and not doctor who.
I enjoyed Waters of Mars, to see another side of the doctor, him realising he's the last timelord and it going to his head, it was quite powerful and a bit spooky. However it then went a bit stupid. I felt the regeneration was drawn out too long, like when emotional scenes put heavy emotional music on, as if they are going you must cry. It didn't feel like a doctor who regeneration to me.
I'm not sure what the worst finale is for new who. For me its a choice between the last of the timelords, time was reversed and everyone in a sense forgotten, because it felt like a it was all just a dream ending or Journey's end with it's press this switch, if daleks take control and get too dangerous, that was conventionally on their own space craft.
Don't get me wrong Moffat isn't perfect, and has some bad episodes. I just feel Davies in the whole is much worse.
That is my point though. Yeah some of the endings are still cliché, comedy is still used, so if you cut put up with it for Davies, I don't see why you can't put up with it with Moffat.
To me both have their flaws. Davies could write, but seemed to fail with finales. Moffat to me is better, but still not perfect, and the wedding of river song was too compacted, it needed to be longer. I like the fact Moffat has planned the stories a while back although some of the reveals where a bit obvious eventually, River Song being one. But then again, maybe a simple reveal is just as good. I bet if it was something over the top, River Song is this or that, the Rani or something, we'd all be like eh.
I think series 5 was good, because it didn't try to throw too many arch's at us. We had the whole crack thing, that most of it, bar the Tardis Exploding, was fully revealed. It was light to me arch wise. Maybe Moffat will realise he threw too much at us in this series just gone, and tone it down.
My point is there where really bad episodes by Davies, and bad episodes by Moffat. But each had some good stuff in there. Like you mentioned in your review, the girl who waited and the god complex both looked at very human factors. Yet it was able to do it without turning it into a soap.
I enjoyed the idea of Rose leaving and coming back a few days later to discover it was a year. It showed something that the original classic who hadn't, simply how leaving with the doctor could effect others, family etc. That you simply can't just go off and no one will realise your missing. For one episode it was good, but then it was overused. Adding on top of that Mickey, we kind of got a weird love triangle developing. I don't mind a bit of drama but when its used regularly, well I simply got sick of it.
Then to give Rose the other doctor. Why did Davies give the happy ending. I mean Rose had screwed around with Mickey's mind for so long, gets with her finally, although even if partly forced due to the fact she had no choice, only for her to eventually run of with the other doctor. It just didn't make sense to me. It felt like a fairy tale ending and not doctor who.
I enjoyed Waters of Mars, to see another side of the doctor, him realising he's the last timelord and it going to his head, it was quite powerful and a bit spooky. However it then went a bit stupid. I felt the regeneration was drawn out too long, like when emotional scenes put heavy emotional music on, as if they are going you must cry. It didn't feel like a doctor who regeneration to me.
I'm not sure what the worst finale is for new who. For me its a choice between the last of the timelords, time was reversed and everyone in a sense forgotten, because it felt like a it was all just a dream ending or Journey's end with it's press this switch, if daleks take control and get too dangerous, that was conventionally on their own space craft.
Don't get me wrong Moffat isn't perfect, and has some bad episodes. I just feel Davies in the whole is much worse.
Perhaps I'm being unfair in comparison but with the Davies series we usually got a handful of mediocre episodes, one to three bad ones and then the rest were excellent. With Moffat it's just mediocre ep after mediocre ep for me and for it all to just hang on the 'silly string' looseness of the plot arcs then that just doesn't feel right. The ratio of 'excellent' episodes, the only reason I join in this show, is much less in the Moff era. There was only The God Complex, Girl Who Waited and Doctor's Wife that really stood out to me. The rest were either shallow, medicore, barely good or something else entirely. Let's Kill Hitler teeters on the edges of good, as does Night Terrors and Closing Time, but it has this irrelevant insertion of a plot arc and then power of love (which was done right in LKH, others not so much) everywhere.
Rose shouldn't have come back after series two. The Series Four finale is much worse than the Third one, which is horrible anyway with Jesus Doctor, because it just destroys all characterization for the 'epicly' epic'.
Davies did write good finales, already got two up on Moffat (Series One and Two, End of Time doesn't count) so I don't see your point there. Yeah, he got carried away, but Moffat seemed carried away from The Eleventh Hour.
Series Five < Series Six because Series 5 contains more flaws: Amy is a terribly inconsistent character/otherwise plot device, the finale is one giant explosion of amazingness then sudden and absolute disappointment, Van Gogh's episode is the only good one of the entire series apart from Eleventh Hour and a lot of River teasing and cracks and LOST structure blossoming.
I prefer Davies because I feel more... into his era's episodes more than I have with Moffat's. There's diamonds in the rough, certainly, but the comparison to Davies just shoots Moffat into 'plot-guy' status and Davies into 'character-guy' status. They're a world apart now, a shame, but Doctor Who (to me) will always be a character driven show. It's why I will probably always prefer Davies. For every World War Three/Aliens in London we got a Satan Pit/Impossible Planet, for every Lazarus Experiment we got a Midnight, for every Planet of the Ood we got a Blink so on and so forth. With NewNewWho it seems for every Van Gogh episode we have Cold Blood, Vampires in Venice, The Hungry Earth, Victory of the Daleks, The Beast Below, The Big Bang, The Pandorica Opens. The ratio has increased with Series Six, thank god, but I think it's impossible to take it anymore.
I don't want to watch whatever this NewNewWho is. If it's better than Davies' era, to you, then fine. Maybe I've grown too accustomed and picky and otherwise protective of what Who is but I.. didn't expect such massive tone shifts. I can't get behind such philosophy because it doesn't really energize me. River Song's identity really never caught on to me, I speculated yet, but not heavily. The cracks seemed just a hint to me and the Doctor's death was the only real good hook and that was rubbished away in a five minute conclusion. What I can get behind is the Doctor being the Time lord victorious, of dealing with a depressed artist, making his companions lose his faith in him, becoming utterly powerless, rendering himself human, being trapped back in time and having to wibbly-wobbly his way back, having to leave behind an older version of his companion and rewrite time. All that stuff. Human stuff.
peteyt
25-10-2011, 09:16 PM
Perhaps I'm being unfair in comparison but with the Davies series we usually got a handful of mediocre episodes, one to three bad ones and then the rest were excellent. With Moffat it's just mediocre ep after mediocre ep for me and for it all to just hang on the 'silly string' looseness of the plot arcs then that just doesn't feel right. The ratio of 'excellent' episodes, the only reason I join in this show, is much less in the Moff era. There was only The God Complex, Girl Who Waited and Doctor's Wife that really stood out to me. The rest were either shallow, medicore, barely good or something else entirely. Let's Kill Hitler teeters on the edges of good, as does Night Terrors and Closing Time, but it has this irrelevant insertion of a plot arc and then power of love (which was done right in LKH, others not so much) everywhere.
Rose shouldn't have come back after series two. The Series Four finale is much worse than the Third one, which is horrible anyway with Jesus Doctor, because it just destroys all characterization for the 'epicly' epic'.
Davies did write good finales, already got two up on Moffat (Series One and Two, End of Time doesn't count) so I don't see your point there. Yeah, he got carried away, but Moffat seemed carried away from The Eleventh Hour.
Series Five < Series Six because Series 5 contains more flaws: Amy is a terribly inconsistent character/otherwise plot device, the finale is one giant explosion of amazingness then sudden and absolute disappointment, Van Gogh's episode is the only good one of the entire series apart from Eleventh Hour and a lot of River teasing and cracks and LOST structure blossoming.
I prefer Davies because I feel more... into his era's episodes more than I have with Moffat's. There's diamonds in the rough, certainly, but the comparison to Davies just shoots Moffat into 'plot-guy' status and Davies into 'character-guy' status. They're a world apart now, a shame, but Doctor Who (to me) will always be a character driven show. It's why I will probably always prefer Davies. For every World War Three/Aliens in London we got a Satan Pit/Impossible Planet, for every Lazarus Experiment we got a Midnight, for every Planet of the Ood we got a Blink so on and so forth. With NewNewWho it seems for every Van Gogh episode we have Cold Blood, Vampires in Venice, The Hungry Earth, Victory of the Daleks, The Beast Below, The Big Bang, The Pandorica Opens. The ratio has increased with Series Six, thank god, but I think it's impossible to take it anymore.
I don't want to watch whatever this NewNewWho is. If it's better than Davies' era, to you, then fine. Maybe I've grown too accustomed and picky and otherwise protective of what Who is but I.. didn't expect such massive tone shifts. I can't get behind such philosophy because it doesn't really energize me. River Song's identity really never caught on to me, I speculated yet, but not heavily. The cracks seemed just a hint to me and the Doctor's death was the only real good hook and that was rubbished away in a five minute conclusion. What I can get behind is the Doctor being the Time lord victorious, of dealing with a depressed artist, making his companions lose his faith in him, becoming utterly powerless, rendering himself human, being trapped back in time and having to wibbly-wobbly his way back, having to leave behind an older version of his companion and rewrite time. All that stuff. Human stuff.
I found series 5 to be just right at times. Yeah there are bad stories, but its nothing new. I liked the fact that we got little hints of the cracks, but it didn't try to throw too many plot points at us and as I mentioned in my last post, I liked the hidden stuff, the fact that memory played an important part.
Series 6 to me was good, it just relied too much on the plot stuff. For example the Silluian episode wasn't the best, but it was okay, and it had the cracks near the end, but it wasn't the main part of the story. Also I liked the episode because it looked at something quite human, the whole concept of conflict.
Amy did annoy me originally but looking back, I think it may have been a good thing. She was getting married and stuff, and tried to get off with the doctor, but isn't that real. How many people have been going out with people and fancied their girlfriends best mates and you hear about people all the time ending up having sex with someone else just before their wedding. The whole thing that happened in that episode, the nearly dying and Rory not there to help and then the doctor being there, someone who's played an important role in his life in a sense from early on, it just all lead to one thing, a moment of confusion for her.
What then happened is slowly Amy and Rory became close, Rory was able to accept there would always be something between them, but knew he had her and the doctor didn't want Amy and this led to a married couple on the Tardis. I liked the dynamic, I liked the fact there was someone else so it wasn't just a girl and the doctor, girl fancies Doctor, Rose/Martha thing.
Davies might have brought human stuff into the series, but sometimes a SC-FI series needs a little bit of SC-FI and at times I found we got a drama, romantic kind of thing, with some characters feeling similar to past characters. It's one thing I actually liked about Donna, the fact she was just a friend, it was a nice change. I also liked the change's we saw in her, which made the ending quite powerful when she forgot about the doctor and was back as her old self. This however was deeply let down by the whole pressing the button and destroying the Daleks thing.
With Amy and Rory Moffat could have easily went for the Rose Mickey scenario, but that got so tiresome and so annoying at least for me. I felt sorry for Mickey, and even when travelling with the doctor he felt like a spare part, the two ignoring him. While as while Rory might not be as big as Amy he does seem to have a purpose, and the three seem to get along like a team or even a family. So to me that kind of is human like.
I hope with the next series, we'll get a bit more adventure, the doctor having to get clever to get out of situations. He won't be able to simply tell people who he is - something that Moffat has done, but I kind of feel like Davies began.
I definitely will keep watching.
iBlueBox
31-10-2011, 09:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=giaMRyn47Xg
made my day.
Chippiewill
31-10-2011, 09:37 PM
John Barrowman's epic fake piano playing really made the whole thing awesome.
That is the greatest thing ever made.
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