Doctor Who - Series 6.

[Fez]

Okay, mislead the Doctor and Rory to run around everywhere while Amy gets preggers. What I don't understand is the Doctor had suspicions for a long while and...

wait a minute.

The TARDIS is a time machine isn't it? Don't give me any bonkers about 'fabric of time' but... couldn't he just go back to the point where Amy was kidnapped or go back to before she popped from Preggers?

[Lost_Addict]

Can't interfere in their own timeline. Thats been the rule since the begining of NewWho

[Fez]

Can't interfere in their own timeline. Thats been the rule since the begining of NewWho

Then what was all that The Big Bang nonsense? Did the Doctor happily just go against the 'rule of NewWho' to bring himself back to life through 'the power of love'?

I'm not convinced. I wasn't as taken aback like everyone else by the Moff 'tweest' at the end of Almost People, since I know what's coming next. Or namely, who's coming next.

[dbgtz]

Then what was all that The Big Bang nonsense? Did the Doctor happily just go against the 'rule of NewWho' to bring himself back to life through 'the power of love'?

I'm not convinced. I wasn't as taken aback like everyone else by the Moff 'tweest' at the end of Almost People, since I know what's coming next. Or namely, who's coming next.

Difference was the tardis exploding so I guess time ****** up?

And whats the say amy hasnt been a ganger when she was at home with rory?

[Fez]

Difference was the tardis exploding so I guess time ****** up?

And whats the say amy hasnt been a ganger when she was at home with rory?

I'm going to guess around nine months because Rory/Amy would notice there was a babby on the way. So... there's a 3 month jump from Astronaut to Day of the Moon and it took them a while to get to the Doctor so...

She was probably kindappled just before the whole series began.

[Rashelly]

Then what was all that The Big Bang nonsense? Did the Doctor happily just go against the 'rule of NewWho' to bring himself back to life through 'the power of love'?

I'm not convinced. I wasn't as taken aback like everyone else by the Moff 'tweest' at the end of Almost People, since I know what's coming next. Or namely, who's coming next.

At that point, history was being deleted anyway, so it's not as if he had anything to lose. And I don't think it was "the power of love" that brought him back, per se, more that... Memories are never gone, they're still buried deep within you even if you forget them. There was a couple of references leading up to that in S5. Mainly Rory being deleted. Although I guess love was kind of a trigger.

To be honest, I wasn't expecting the ending... But I wasn't really shocked, like you I knew something was/is coming. That's the internet for you though... To the average viewer, who doesn't read about it/discuss theories etc, it's probably much more exciting to watch.

Wow, long boring post. I've only just discovered this thread! I'll be lurking from now on :p

[dbgtz]

At that point, history was being deleted anyway, so it's not as if he had anything to lose. And I don't think it was "the power of love" that brought him back, per se, more that... Memories are never gone, they're still buried deep within you even if you forget them. There was a couple of references leading up to that in S5. Mainly Rory being deleted. Although I guess love was kind of a trigger.

To be honest, I wasn't expecting the ending... But I wasn't really shocked, like you I knew something was/is coming. That's the internet for you though... To the average viewer, who doesn't read about it/discuss theories etc, it's probably much more exciting to watch.

Wow, long boring post. I've only just discovered this thread! I'll be lurking from now on :p

But even if it is from memories, it's still utterly shocking and it feels so dumbed down for children. I would have found it utterly ridiculous even if I never went on a forum in a life it is utterly ridiculous.

Also I hate how they wrote it as "big bang 2", that really frustrated me and I don't know why.

Oh and after watching the end of time (part 2) again, how donna gets the "defense mechanism" has really annoyed me lol.

[Fez]

At that point, history was being deleted anyway, so it's not as if he had anything to lose. And I don't think it was "the power of love" that brought him back, per se, more that... Memories are never gone, they're still buried deep within you even if you forget them. There was a couple of references leading up to that in S5. Mainly Rory being deleted. Although I guess love was kind of a trigger.

Yeah, exactly, the power of love saves the day! Running theme through Series Five actually - The Lodger has it, Amy's Choice kinda has it and (especially) Victory of the Daleks has it.

[dbgtz]

Yeah, exactly, the power of love saves the day! Running theme through Series Five actually - The Lodger has it, Amy's Choice kinda has it and (especially) Victory of the Daleks has it.

The thing which Amys choice I don't get is, why did it take the whole 40 odd minutes for the doctor to figure out they were both dreams? :/

Also don't forget in victory of the daleks, they magically made new daleks which then killed the old daleks.

[Rashelly]

The thing which Amys choice I don't get is, why did it take the whole 40 odd minutes for the doctor to figure out they were both dreams? :/

Also don't forget in victory of the daleks, they magically made new daleks which then killed the old daleks.

They killed the old daleks because they we're inferior

As for Amy's choice, I can't remember the exacts of it... but good point.

[dbgtz]

They killed the old daleks because they we're inferior

As for Amy's choice, I can't remember the exacts of it... but good point.

But then why would they not have killed Kaan in series 4 finale (the insane dalek), he was useless and Davros was the only one who wanted him and they never really listened to him. Why hasn't every supreme dalek killed all normal daleks. Why hasn't the emporer dalek killed the normal daleks? It was a really crap episode first time around, after watching it again it wasn't so bad but it wasn't exactly good.

[Fez]

Victory of the Daleks pros and cons

Pros
- Winston Churchill
- WOULD YOU LIKE SOME TEA?

Cons
- GO GO POWER RANGERS (daleks)
- THE POWER OF LURVEEEE
- Poor CGI
- Horrible acting from that robot bloke
- The Daleks not shooting the Doctor for absolutely no reason and the jammy dodger not being scanned asap.

[Lost_Addict]

Just read the sun and theres a part where Moffat sais that the Darleks wont be making a return any time soon. He said that they used to be the scariest enemy in Dr. Who but they've been defeated over 440 times now and he claims that if the Darleks saw the Dr they would be like: Well FFS this plan has gone **** up and then they wonder off.

So good news! No reused power ranger darlek storylines ;)

[Chris]

Was looking forward to tonight's ep, but I'll be watching BGT instead. :(

[AgnesIO]

Was looking forward to tonight's ep, but I'll be watching BGT instead. :(

BGT will be ****e lol

[dbgtz]

Just read the sun and theres a part where Moffat sais that the Darleks wont be making a return any time soon. He said that they used to be the scariest enemy in Dr. Who but they've been defeated over 440 times now and he claims that if the Darleks saw the Dr they would be like: Well FFS this plan has gone **** up and then they wonder off.

So good news! No reused power ranger darlek storylines ;)

He meant just this series

"steven_moffat (http://twitter.com/#%21/steven_moffat) Steven Moffat



Daleks: I was talking about THIS series. Stand down."

http://twitter.com/#!/steven_moffat

[Lost_Addict]

;( lol.

I'm stuck. What do i watch first BGT or DR Who??? lol XD

[AgnesIO]

;( lol.

I'm stuck. What do i watch first BGT or DR Who??? lol XD

I guess with BGT if you don't want it live you will find out who wins etc without wanting to.

[dbgtz]

;( lol.

I'm stuck. What do i watch first BGT or DR Who??? lol XD

Doctor who, bgt has sucked ass this year. The judges are absolutely ****e and after them putting through that britney person, I'm questioning if I'll even bother next year. These judges claim they know talent, but talent to them is like your anus, you never see it unless it's taken in a photo and shoved in your face (i.e. simon cowell intervening). PLEASE SIMON COME BACK.

[Fez]

http://twitter.com/#!/steven_moffat/status/77042037114941440

"Doctor Who, 6.40, BBC1 tonight. Opposite football and the BGT final and lovely weather. Round up people in the street. Beg. Like me...."

Ouch. Episode is going to die when it comes to ratings because football exists and people love 'reality' television. Reality in quotes there because yeah.

ALRIGHT.

Final bets on who River Song is?

I have two.

Amy's lil babby

Romana

Final bets on who the baby is?

I have two.

River Song.

Omega.

[dbgtz]

http://twitter.com/#!/steven_moffat/status/77042037114941440

"Doctor Who, 6.40, BBC1 tonight. Opposite football and the BGT final and lovely weather. Round up people in the street. Beg. Like me...."

Ouch. Episode is going to die when it comes to ratings because football exists and people love 'reality' television. Reality in quotes there because yeah.

ALRIGHT.

Final bets on who River Song is?

I have two.

Amy's lil babby

Romana

Final bets on who the baby is?

I have two.

River Song.

Omega.

Omega I think it is in it. Because of that thing on the doctor who activities where it says "the game of rassilon" or w/e makes me believe he himself will not be in it but is behind it, and someone who he was close with was Omega (I think).

I think river song will be someone who we never guessed her to be.

[Rashelly]

I've always thought River was Amy's kid... Or at least the kid in the spacesuit because of her "of course not" comment in Ep 1, but I hope it's something totally different.

[Lost_Addict]

Riversong is Captain Jack! He had a sex change so he would finally appeal and get with the Dr.


OMG i finally ******* figured it out!!!!

[sophiethenerd]

Ok,ok,ok I am not over excited. OMG WE FIND OUT WHO RIVER SONG IS.

[Accipiter]

She's his *****

Its out that the Doctor is a pimp (the fez indicates it)

Jokes, I believe the suit is empty when the doctor is shot, I also don't think its amys child in that picture, as a picture of your mother would be more well placed at the front of all your photos. So it has relation to amy, but isn't her. It may be river song as a child, demented up bringing and what not, makes her a criminal / use weapons.

[Fez]

"Doctor, it's time to find out who I am."
"River, busy, wibbly-wobbly universe gonna end and stuff and and-"
"I'm your companion"

*DOCTOR WHO THEME*
*doctor who will return in september trolololol*

[Accipiter]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDqjWHMgSU0U7Ju6dpUJpzLgLS_-8o14e1WgipMayF5JUruuitzQ&t=1

http://www.dvdactive.com/images/reviews/screenshot/2010/10/sod1_3.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/254518_233009590046409_127031120644257_1112849_545 3756_n.jpg

Is that a unit badge?

Hmmmm, I don't like the thought of that coming back, never liked their stories.

[Fez]

Right, time to be disappointed.

[dbgtz]

THEORY
MELODY
=
SONG
=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4yFWBbG_ZA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4yFWBbG_ZA

[Chippiewill]

Zomg zomg zomg, Cybermen.

Someone isn't going to be haaappppyyyyyy (About that genocide)

[Rashelly]

KICKASS RORY!

[Chippiewill]

Now that's what I call blind devotion.

[Chippiewill]

Well no one expected that one [/sarcasm]

[Moh]

Oh cmon, we knew that at the beginning of the series :/

[dbgtz]

Fantastic episode
except the reveal, lame although +1 that it wasn't cliche.

Although I don't understand why this needed to be split into later in the year?

[Accipiter]

Oh

Well,

So we do see river again? Unless the end of this series is the end of amy + rory

[sophiethenerd]

I expected it but still. THAT WAS ******* AMAZING.

[Chippiewill]

Fantastic episode
except the reveal, lame although +1 that it wasn't cliche.

Although I don't understand why this needed to be split into later in the year?

Generally the Autumn is a better time of the year for views.

[Accipiter]

But it also basically revealed that its river song who killed him, now we have no cliff hangers!?

Seeing as she's a weapon used to kill him and we already see him die.

[Rashelly]

That was a good ep!

And we didn't "know", it was just a theory... there were lots of theories :/


And yeah, you'll see River again for sure

[dbgtz]

Oh

Well,

So we do see river again? Unless the end of this series is the end of amy + rory

I think we'll see her again, just not next series.


But it also basically revealed that its river song who killed him, now we have no cliff hangers!?

Seeing as she's a weapon used to kill him and we already see him die.

No one said that girl was in the suit

anyway I just realised I preferred the mystery of river :(

also I loved how camp yet sontaren that sontaren was, although I don't see what debt he would have :P

[Accipiter]

I thought its obvious the girl in the suit was her daughter, after amy twice pointed a ******* gun at her (kind of links seeing as she has a thing for it now)

And that she broke out of the suit?

So river was a timelord, so we'll probably see a lot of her seeing as the "Inbetween" stage is going to be a longgggg oneeeeee

[Rashelly]

But it also basically revealed that its river song who killed him, now we have no cliff hangers!?

Seeing as she's a weapon used to kill him and we already see him die.

Everyone knew that anyway... I mean from the first episode River was in, she basically said she was in jail for killing him.

[Accipiter]

I'm lost, so now he's off on his lone travels? So he should die at the end of this series, the clean up is going to be one huge mind ****

[dbgtz]

Woo karen rteed me, but she thought I was ******ed. I was explaining my theory of how melody/river link (couple pages back) and

#DoctorWho (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23DoctorWho) Why river really is Amys daughter. MELODY = SONG = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4yFWBbG_ZA @KarenGillanUK (http://twitter.com/KarenGillanUK)

@elmootwit (http://twitter.com/elmootwit) POND = RIVER // MELODY = SONG

i feel so cool yet ******ed at the same time.

and no one said the doctor is gonna be on his own

and finally does no one find the title "lets kill hitler" a bit iffy and wonder how that can be allowed? Surely theres gonna be people who *****.

[Fez]

I am so thankful that Moffat has saved all of Doctor Who, the show was so much worse and cheesy and camp under Davies. Honestly, I don't even want to look at my NewWho, NewNewWho is all I need. That was so amazing!

Wow. Well done Moffat.

Just well done, that was a great great episode. I take back everything I said.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll45hrHy3u1qgx57t.gif

ACTUALLY NO.

NO IT'S NOT OKAY.

NO IT'S NOT AMAZING OR WONDERFUL OR SERIES SAVING.

ACTUALLY IT'S RATHER ANNOYING, PERHAPS EVEN... DISAPPOINTING

LET'S FACE FACTS.

1) For three years we've been teased about the identity of River Song. We've seen her hint and hint and tease and hint for the "TUNE IN NEXT WEEK" sake all in the name of "It'll blow your mind!" NO IT DIDN'T BLOW MY MIND! Why? Because it's a pretty vapid explanation and it's not out of the blue. For the whole of Series 6 you've teased about pregnancy and place River Song well away from Amy and Rory. The forums exploded, everybody guessed and those 'theories' weren't 'theories' they were clever guesses, a stab in the dark, but a well aimed one. One that was based on evidence and one that said there was only one way all of this baiting nonsense could end.

2) Is it just me or does SHE'S AMY AND RORY'S DAUGHTER AND SHE'S A TIMELORD sound a bit... vapid? I'm not suggesting it isn't a 'gamechanger', it kinda is when Moffat has finally invented a new TimeLord. What bugs me is, well, the Doctor is going to go off snogging River Song now isn't he? They're gonna have kids and adventures and everything's going to be 'alright'. It's all gonna be alright. Except my classic series loving brain is now ALL ACTIONS STATIONS and not because that whole explanation was pretty much "Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey" but because the Doctor is the biggest idiot of all time. Except he isn't, except he is.

3) This was a shallow, shallow attempt to keep us all watching Doctor Who oh and it worked like a charm. It worked oh so well, it worked more than Bad Wolf and now we have 'the best Doctor Who ever'. Moffat has saved the series, saved the world and deserves to be given permission to completely and utterly disregard and maybe even insult anything that Davies accomplished. Well done everyone, including myself, for being lead along by such shallow, shallow techniques.

4) This is not the Doctor Who I know and love. This is not about fun adventures and stories and time and Midnight and Blink and Family of Blood and Doomsday and cheesy lines and farting aliens and once in a while being brought to a fit of tears. I have been led along by a goblin, a trickster and I don't think this show is what it used to be. It's a show all about hints, teases and shallow cheap writing quirks in order to get me to tune in next week.

5) This series in particular has gone against the foundations of the show and at the foundations of the character with him happily killing an entire race, laughing off their chance at possible surrender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVVQ0u--mYo) and then saying "I commit genocide now. Genocide is cool." you know there was another man who didn't like genocide. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drpnhM7rf_A) I can't remember who he was though...

This will be the last series of Doctor Who I will ever watch in my life.

And I will stand by that profusely.

[Inseriousity.]

So busy being mysterious and giving us answers that it forgot to have a strong plot. The various cameos from different people were quite good, especially danny boy cos never thought we'd see him again :P

[Technologic]

I am so thankful that Moffat has saved all of Doctor Who, the show was so much worse and cheesy and camp under Davies. Honestly, I don't even want to look at my NewWho, NewNewWho is all I need. That was so amazing!

Wow. Well done Moffat.

Just well done, that was a great great episode. I take back everything I said.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll45hrHy3u1qgx57t.gif

ACTUALLY NO.

NO IT'S NOT OKAY.

NO IT'S NOT AMAZING OR WONDERFUL OR SERIES SAVING.

ACTUALLY IT'S RATHER ANNOYING, PERHAPS EVEN... DISAPPOINTING

LET'S FACE FACTS.

1) For three years we've been teased about the identity of River Song. We've seen her hint and hint and tease and hint for the "TUNE IN NEXT WEEK" sake all in the name of "It'll blow your mind!" NO IT DIDN'T BLOW MY MIND! Why? Because it's a pretty vapid explanation and it's not out of the blue. For the whole of Series 6 you've teased about pregnancy and place River Song well away from Amy and Rory. The forums exploded, everybody guessed and those 'theories' weren't 'theories' they were clever guesses, a stab in the dark, but a well aimed one. One that was based on evidence and one that said there was only one way all of this baiting nonsense could end.

2) Is it just me or does SHE'S AMY AND RORY'S DAUGHTER AND SHE'S A TIMELORD sound a bit... vapid? I'm not suggesting it isn't a 'gamechanger', it kinda is when Moffat has finally invented a new TimeLord. What bugs me is, well, the Doctor is going to go off snogging River Song now isn't he? They're gonna have kids and adventures and everything's going to be 'alright'. It's all gonna be alright. Except my classic series loving brain is now ALL ACTIONS STATIONS and not because that whole explanation was pretty much "Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey" but because the Doctor is the biggest idiot of all time. Except he isn't, except he is.

3) This was a shallow, shallow attempt to keep us all watching Doctor Who oh and it worked like a charm. It worked oh so well, it worked more than Bad Wolf and now we have 'the best Doctor Who ever'. Moffat has saved the series, saved the world and deserves to be given permission to completely and utterly disregard and maybe even insult anything that Davies accomplished. Well done everyone, including myself, for being lead along by such shallow, shallow techniques.

4) This is not the Doctor Who I know and love. This is not about fun adventures and stories and time and Midnight and Blink and Family of Blood and Doomsday and cheesy lines and farting aliens and once in a while being brought to a fit of tears. I have been led along by a goblin, a trickster and I don't think this show is what it used to be. It's a show all about hints, teases and shallow cheap writing quirks in order to get me to tune in next week.

5) This series in particular has gone against the foundations of the show and at the foundations of the character with him happily killing an entire race, laughing off their chance at possible surrender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVVQ0u--mYo) and then saying "I commit genocide now. Genocide is cool." you know there was another man who didn't like genocide. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drpnhM7rf_A) I can't remember who he was though...

This will be the last series of Doctor Who I will ever watch in my life.

And I will stand by that profusely.

Stop being so picky and boring. You enjoyed it and you know it.

Also, Time of Angels, in the beginning they're in a museum and the Doctor mentions it's the "final resting place of the headless monks".

WOO

[dbgtz]

I am so thankful that Moffat has saved all of Doctor Who, the show was so much worse and cheesy and camp under Davies. Honestly, I don't even want to look at my NewWho, NewNewWho is all I need. That was so amazing!

Wow. Well done Moffat.

Just well done, that was a great great episode. I take back everything I said.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll45hrHy3u1qgx57t.gif

ACTUALLY NO.

NO IT'S NOT OKAY.

NO IT'S NOT AMAZING OR WONDERFUL OR SERIES SAVING.

ACTUALLY IT'S RATHER ANNOYING, PERHAPS EVEN... DISAPPOINTING

LET'S FACE FACTS.

1) For three years we've been teased about the identity of River Song. We've seen her hint and hint and tease and hint for the "TUNE IN NEXT WEEK" sake all in the name of "It'll blow your mind!" NO IT DIDN'T BLOW MY MIND! Why? Because it's a pretty vapid explanation and it's not out of the blue. For the whole of Series 6 you've teased about pregnancy and place River Song well away from Amy and Rory. The forums exploded, everybody guessed and those 'theories' weren't 'theories' they were clever guesses, a stab in the dark, but a well aimed one. One that was based on evidence and one that said there was only one way all of this baiting nonsense could end.

2) Is it just me or does SHE'S AMY AND RORY'S DAUGHTER AND SHE'S A TIMELORD sound a bit... vapid? I'm not suggesting it isn't a 'gamechanger', it kinda is when Moffat has finally invented a new TimeLord. What bugs me is, well, the Doctor is going to go off snogging River Song now isn't he? They're gonna have kids and adventures and everything's going to be 'alright'. It's all gonna be alright. Except my classic series loving brain is now ALL ACTIONS STATIONS and not because that whole explanation was pretty much "Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey" but because the Doctor is the biggest idiot of all time. Except he isn't, except he is.

3) This was a shallow, shallow attempt to keep us all watching Doctor Who oh and it worked like a charm. It worked oh so well, it worked more than Bad Wolf and now we have 'the best Doctor Who ever'. Moffat has saved the series, saved the world and deserves to be given permission to completely and utterly disregard and maybe even insult anything that Davies accomplished. Well done everyone, including myself, for being lead along by such shallow, shallow techniques.

4) This is not the Doctor Who I know and love. This is not about fun adventures and stories and time and Midnight and Blink and Family of Blood and Doomsday and cheesy lines and farting aliens and once in a while being brought to a fit of tears. I have been led along by a goblin, a trickster and I don't think this show is what it used to be. It's a show all about hints, teases and shallow cheap writing quirks in order to get me to tune in next week.

5) This series in particular has gone against the foundations of the show and at the foundations of the character with him happily killing an entire race, laughing off their chance at possible surrender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVVQ0u--mYo) and then saying "I commit genocide now. Genocide is cool." you know there was another man who didn't like genocide. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drpnhM7rf_A) I can't remember who he was though...

This will be the last series of Doctor Who I will ever watch in my life.

And I will stand by that profusely.

I don't really understand the problem considering that each doctor is different, shall I remind you of Tom Baker committing genocide...

You will watch another episode and you know you will.

[Fez]

I don't really understand the problem considering that each doctor is different, shall I remind you of Tom Baker committing genocide...

You will watch another episode and you know you will.

Each Doctor is different but they're still the Doctor. Matt Smith is one of my favourite Doctors, well above Tennant (who's still phenomenal) in my view.


Stop being so picky and boring. You enjoyed it and you know it.

Also, Time of Angels, in the beginning they're in a museum and the Doctor mentions it's the "final resting place of the headless monks".

WOO

I do enjoy it, I just enjoy it a lot less and that's my opinion. I don't think I'm picky, this is is a children's show at the end of the day.

EDIT: Let's Kill Hitler is an excellent title.

Further edit:

Red balloons seem to be a thing...

(wait for the mirror bit)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUXNtKmpOwU

Showed up in the Almost People as well

and then...

http://www.eyeofhorus.org.uk/images/photo/11smith/series-06-smith/series6-clown-balloon-496.jpg

Something wicked this way comes?

[Accipiter]

Each Doctor is different but they're still the Doctor. Matt Smith is one of my favourite Doctors, well above Tennant (who's still phenomenal) in my view.



I do enjoy it, I just enjoy it a lot less and that's my opinion. I don't think I'm picky, this is is a children's show at the end of the day.

EDIT: Let's Kill Hitler is an excellent title.

I don't think you enjoy it less and less, you just seem to enjoy a pessimistic view on the matter. You love ripping the **** out of it, it's became your addiction LMAO

Fair do's I expected a more fabulous ending, but only homosexuals can say fabulous in a way that is impressive. (Not sure if moffat is a homosexual, even though most writers are that or inbetween)

I loved the feel of him bringing a team together, but really? No Captain jack? That other guy... who was always there for him at all the other ends of the world?

I feel its not that moffat wants to disregard davies work, its that he doesn't want to insult it so he doesn't use it. Its shameful that they don't bring back past friends atleast at the beginning of the series to give it relativity to the old series. It had its strong points, I thought that it was well worded. But as said, i'm dissapointed that the cliff hanger was what everyone expected, cliff hangers aren't suppose to do the obvious, thats why they're cliff hangers, we wouldn't enjoy them so much if they do the obvious "fall to their death" :/

[Fez]

I don't think you enjoy it less and less, you just seem to enjoy a pessimistic view on the matter. You love ripping the **** out of it, it's became your addiction LMAO

Fair do's I expected a more fabulous ending, but only homosexuals can say fabulous in a way that is impressive. (Not sure if moffat is a homosexual, even though most writers are that or inbetween)

I loved the feel of him bringing a team together, but really? No Captain jack? That other guy... who was always there for him at all the other ends of the world?

I feel its not that moffat wants to disregard davies work, its that he doesn't want to insult it so he doesn't use it. Its shameful that they don't bring back past friends atleast at the beginning of the series to give it relativity to the old series. It had its strong points, I thought that it was well worded. But as said, i'm dissapointed that the cliff hanger was what everyone expected, cliff hangers aren't suppose to do the obvious, thats why they're cliff hangers, we wouldn't enjoy them so much if they do the obvious "fall to their death" :/

Maybe I'm overly pessimistic, I'll accept that, but that's probably why we have a TV show of such high calibre. I'm going to bite the bullet and so it's fallen from grace but it's still number one except it hurts me to see it fall further hence why I have to give up and stop annoying you all about LIKING THINGS THAT I DON'T LIKE :P

Contains Swearing


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI

I think I'll take that advice ^.

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[Moh]

There's a cliffhanger at the end of every episode, which I'm beginning to hate. I don't find Moffat's writing that good either, he tends to waste air time trying to build the episodes.

He spent about 20 minutes gathering this army that didn't really play any key role in the episode? And a Sontaran that helps the doctor? fgs.

[Chippiewill]

I feel its not that moffat wants to disregard davies work, its that he doesn't want to insult it so he doesn't use it. Its shameful that they don't bring back past friends atleast at the beginning of the series to give it relativity to the old series.
I agree with this, the way the Eccelston and the Tennant doctors companions were the same group reassured people that it was the same person. Problem is they can't start bringing from that far back otherwise newer/younger viewers would get confused as too who they are and there'd also be far too many people, it was really starting to get silly by the end of season four, the whole "Lets have everyone in the Tardis and happy fun time" didn't sit too well.

[Fez]

There's a cliffhanger at the end of every episode, which I'm beginning to hate. I don't find Moffat's writing that good either, he tends to waste air time trying to build the episodes.

He spent about 20 minutes gathering this army that didn't really play any key role in the episode? And a Sontaran that helps the doctor? fgs.

He can be a very, very good writer. 'Blink' is pretty much the best episode of Doctor Who of all time ever, give it a watch, written by him and it's a template for creating proper Who. It just so happens to have 90% less Doctor and 90% more 'human'.

Same with Midnight from Series Four, excellent episode. Though not written by him, along similar lines.

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I agree with this, the way the Eccelston and the Tennant doctors companions were the same group reassured people that it was the same person. Problem is they can't start bringing from that far back otherwise newer/younger viewers would get confused as too who they are and there'd also be far too many people, it was really starting to get silly by the end of season four, the whole "Lets have everyone in the Tardis and happy fun time" didn't sit too well.

Oh don't get me started on the Series Four finale.

[Moh]

He can be a very, very good writer. 'Blink' is pretty much the best episode of Doctor Who of all time ever, give it a watch, written by him and it's a template for creating proper Who. It just so happens to have 90% less Doctor and 90% more 'human'.

Same with Midnight from Series Four, excellent episode. Though not written by him, along similar lines.

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Oh don't get me started on the Series Four finale.
I don't really think he had much of a choice in Blink as he wasn't the head writer. Ever since he's become the head writer, he's just creating cliffhangers :(

[Fez]

I don't really think he had much of a choice in Blink as he wasn't the head writer. Ever since he's become the head writer, he's just creating cliffhangers :(

Not... really.

Well, yes really, that's generally one of the problems I have.

There is some good in his tenure - The Eleventh Hour, Vincent and the Doctor and that amazing Neil Gaiman episode.

Also, just noticed, where did Captain Pugwash go after he showed up?

[Chippiewill]

Spotted a few plot flaws in this episode, such as the Tardis translating stuff after it's already left..

[Fez]

Where did Captain Pugwash go?
Why did the TARDIS translate AFTER it had left?
Why did the Doctor have River Song's name on his cot?

[Accipiter]

Spotted a few plot flaws in this episode, such as the Tardis translating stuff after it's already left..

and the fact it doesn't know its own ******* language LMAO

But the tardis translates everything from anywhere aslong as you've been aboard, so no idea why it took its time.

[simplymagic]

Thought it was a banging episode. I can't believe dr who has ended for now though :/.

[Lost_Addict]

Why is noone talking about the cliffhanger after the episode?

For those who missed it, it consisted of a skeleton arm holding the sonic screwdriver until it faded.

I believe this is to link with the cliffhanger that he will fall further than he has ever done before (Which clearly didn't happen in that episode)

I thought this episode took time to build which i wasn't in favour of but unexpectantly i enjoyed the overal outcome of the episode.

[Chippiewill]

Problem is, they built it up like a full season finale so it kind of lacked the content because a finale over several parts can be like PreviousEpisodeMystery-Mystery-CONTENT-CONTENT-CONTENT-CONTENT-CONTENT-CONTENT-CONTENT-CONTENT-Punchline-Goodbye however because they only had one episode it kinda felt like PreviousEpisodeMystery-Mystery-CONTENT-Punchline and because of that it really felt like they were hyping a punchline rather than a story.

[Nuct]

A few theories have now come into place, including my now partially backed-up theory about River being the little girl that regenerated in Day of the Moon. It is something more likely to happen, but there may be a separate story to do with that specific person.

This is either huge coincidence (i.e. being the same track) or intended, but the exact same music sample (well, slightly extended) was played during the little girl's regeneration and River's speech about her being Amy and Rory's daughter.

[Lost_Addict]

For anyone that missed it this is the S6 Part 2 teaser

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMFfd00FwVE

[Chris]

Good episode but I think everyone knew that was gonna happen.:L

[joshuar]

I keep my head down on here now but thought I'd chip in my opinion. I don't like being constantly negative about anything and tend to see the best in everything so I don't expect anybody to agree with this.

I think both Moffat and Davies are great Head Writers, both brining their own flavours of how to do things. My issue with Davies was that it didn't appear that he thought too far ahead about anything, just took it one series at a time which resulted in these "biggest ever endings" and then everything reset for the stand alone stories to start again with the occasional hint to a series arc. With Moffat, I think he's thought much further ahead and planned things to stretch across different periods of time, rather than starting at episode 1 wrapping everything up at once with one big finale. I personally prefer this style as it feels like there is always something to consider even when the series has finished. Although, Moffat can tend to have too much running at once and you forget certain plots that are on-going until they finally reappear, and you need to go back and see what they were about again.

I don't think there is any need to take it so seriously, just take it with a pinch of salt and the fact that it is, after all, sci-fi and (most importantly, just) TV. This isn't a dig at anybody as I understand you are all big fans and just want to see the series do well.

With regards to tonight's episode, I thought it was great, finally revealing some long awaited secrets (I don't read anything about it on the internet before the episodes, so I didn't know what to expect from River Song, just my own ideas) and the raw emotion of the Doctor when his companions were in danger. Matt Smith has outdone himself acting wise this series, with my favourite episode being the Doctor's Wife.

[Rashelly]

A few theories have now come into place, including my now partially backed-up theory about River being the little girl that regenerated in Day of the Moon. It is something more likely to happen, but there may be a separate story to do with that specific person.
Well, yeah... That's not really a theory now, it's pretty much confirmed that it's her. The interesting thing now is what happens next


I keep my head down on here now but thought I'd chip in my opinion. I don't like being constantly negative about anything and tend to see the best in everything so I don't expect anybody to agree with this.

I think both Moffat and Davies are great Head Writers, both brining their own flavours of how to do things. My issue with Davies was that it didn't appear that he thought too far ahead about anything, just took it one series at a time which resulted in these "biggest ever endings" and then everything reset for the stand alone stories to start again with the occasional hint to a series arc. With Moffat, I think he's thought much further ahead and planned things to stretch across different periods of time, rather than starting at episode 1 wrapping everything up at once with one big finale. I personally prefer this style as it feels like there is always something to consider even when the series has finished. Although, Moffat can tend to have too much running at once and you forget certain plots that are on-going until they finally reappear, and you need to go back and see what they were about again.

I don't think there is any need to take it so seriously, just take it with a pinch of salt and the fact that it is, after all, sci-fi and (most importantly, just) TV. This isn't a dig at anybody as I understand you are all big fans and just want to see the series do well.

With regards to tonight's episode, I thought it was great, finally revealing some long awaited secrets (I don't read anything about it on the internet before the episodes, so I didn't know what to expect from River Song, just my own ideas) and the raw emotion of the Doctor when his companions were in danger. Matt Smith has outdone himself acting wise this series, with my favourite episode being the Doctor's Wife.

Totally agree. It's easy to say "this is so obvious, we all knew it was" but to the casual viewer, it wasn't obvious (although there were several clues along the way). It's good writing, anyway (doesn't matter if you guessed the outcome or not). And now that we know who River really is... That's not the end. There's half a season left...

I can understand why people don't like the Moffat-style show... but I think a bandwagon has kind of formed in the Whovian community where it's now "cool" to hate Moffat.

Personally, I like the show now. For me, it's more interesting and enjoyable. Don't get me wrong, I pretty much love all seasons (well, apart from most episodes of season 1 which IMo are... meh)
That's the great thing about Doctor Who... Literally every season is different (IMO), if you don't like one season you can pick it up another year.

I don't even know where I'm going with the post, it seems to be long... And I can't remember what I've written, so it might not make sense. Early morning rambling!

[Fez]

I can understand why people don't like the Moffat-style show... but I think a bandwagon has kind of formed in the Whovian community where it's now "cool" to hate Moffat.

Saying that means it's "not cool" to like him? That I'm some sort of elitist given that I despise the direction the show is going in? That's fine though, I get called an elitist all the time for having a free opinion.

I have my reasons, you have mine for that but don't tell me that I'm doing this for the sake of some sort of 'higher recognition' because this is a children's show that I grew up with, cried over and fell in love with. I only dislike and critique both writers so much because I love it so much and I might be a tad too picky because it's still the greatest show known to man. Except I can't bare to watch it, in my eyes, decrease in quality and fall from grace any longer with everything I've already outlined. Hence why I'm giving it up after this series.

I'll be serious, I am part of the minority here but I don't feel empowered voicing my opinion about a show I love. It hurts, honest, and that's why I'm giving it up. What I would like, however, is to not be called an 'elitist' or that I'm doing this for another sake other than the fact I'm a Whovian and I probably always will be just not a Moffvian if you get my drift. You can enjoy the show and I can go back and finally dive into the classic series after the odd bite.

I'm trying not to sound like a complete **** but saying that people who have a different opinion, with reasons for that opinion, are doing it for the sake of "being cool" is pretty much saying that they're wrong and you're right. I'm a part of many Doctor Who messaging boards (Gallifreybase, here etc.) and I've seen people who share my opinion and a massive share who don't like it. It doesn't mean I'm a hipster for saying "I did it before anyone else did so I'm cool" it means that I have an opinion and, this being the internet, I'm welcome to share it. It also means that anyone else who happens to have the same opinion as me also has the right to share it with similar reasons. Saying that we're wrong because we just do it "because it's cool" is kind of insulting to me.


I keep my head down on here now but thought I'd chip in my opinion. I don't like being constantly negative about anything and tend to see the best in everything so I don't expect anybody to agree with this.

Neither do I.


I think both Moffat and Davies are great Head Writers, both brining their own flavours of how to do things. My issue with Davies was that it didn't appear that he thought too far ahead about anything, just took it one series at a time which resulted in these "biggest ever endings" and then everything reset for the stand alone stories to start again with the occasional hint to a series arc.

Occasional? I'm no Whovian historian, well yes I am, but I am pretty sure mentioning Bad Wolf, Torchwood, Saxon in every single episode/two-parter isn't exactly ''occasional''. The bees disappearing in Series Four was a lot more tricky to pick up on but there wasn't that many hints towards what was going to happen. See, kids love it when they get rewarded for following something for a long, long time and that's why you see so many 'flashbacks' going back to all the mentions of Bad Wolf or Torchwood so it all slots together nicely in their little heads. We also get the satisfaction of knowing what it all meant given there was zero to go on, we weren't ever teased with 'clues' or 'cliffhangers'.

In regards to "biggest ever endings", I'll come out and say I don't see Moffat as a finale man. As we've already seen the best he can come up with is ending the entire universe and then bringing the Doctor back with the power of love. Then here he's pretty much ended the series with a big revelation which was Guess 234 so we kind of already knew who she was. He was playing us with intrigue for three whole years. Am I the only one who feels so cheated out of all that time? Davies wasn't much of a finale man either with all due respect, Series One and Two ended on the biggest of notes ever but Series Three stuttered with FLYING ANGEL DOCTOR and then.... don't even get me started on Series Four's finale.


With Moffat, I think he's thought much further ahead and planned things to stretch across different periods of time, rather than starting at episode 1 wrapping everything up at once with one big finale. I personally prefer this style as it feels like there is always something to consider even when the series has finished. Although, Moffat can tend to have too much running at once and you forget certain plots that are on-going until they finally reappear, and you need to go back and see what they were about again.

The problem, the big problem, I have with Moffat is while Davies has "bad wolf" he has "River Song, pregnancy, silence, the red balloon, little girl in a spacesuit, the Doctor dies!" all of which makes me think of one specific TV show that got a bit 'lost' in its giant 'writing itself into a corner'. Consider 'Utopia' in Series Three and how Davies managed to pull one of the best cliffhangers in Who history with a simple little filler story ending with a giant revelation. That entire story was planned from the very beginning whereas I get the feeling the vast majority of 'A Good Man Goes to War' was to simply get us to the point where the Doctor finds out who River Song is and... it all felt rather cheap. "My friend you have never risen higher." - What? He's saved the entire universe, he's saved all of time and space and him just letting a little wee army walk away makes him take the giant moral high ground?


I don't think there is any need to take it so seriously, just take it with a pinch of salt and the fact that it is, after all, sci-fi and (most importantly, just) TV. This isn't a dig at anybody as I understand you are all big fans and just want to see the series do well.

I don't take it with a pinch of salt, I do take children's TV seriously given I love it so much.


With regards to tonight's episode, I thought it was great, finally revealing some long awaited secrets (I don't read anything about it on the internet before the episodes, so I didn't know what to expect from River Song, just my own ideas) and the raw emotion of the Doctor when his companions were in danger. Matt Smith has outdone himself acting wise this series, with my favourite episode being the Doctor's Wife.

What 'secrets' did we get revealed to this week? What new questions did we get?

Secrets revealed:
- River Song is Melody Pond

Questions
- Is she the little girl in the space suit?
- Where has Eyepatch Lady taken the babby?
- Is the writing on the cot the Doctor's name?
- What does the Silence have to do with all of this?
- Why did we have a pointless scene with that guy from that one ICT Crowd come in and get his head chopped off?
- Why is the Doctor so keen to let his TARDIS get trapped or destroyed, honestly he just leaves it as far as possible like he doesn't give a damn.
- Why is Neil Gaiman's episode the only great thing about this series?

[Nuct]

Well, yeah... That's not really a theory now, it's pretty much confirmed that it's her. The interesting thing now is what happens next

It hasn't necessarily been confirmed, it is very likely, however there's still the theory that the little girl in Day of The Moon is the Doctor and River's child, hence the Doctor's actions towards River. But yes, it will be interesting to see how the next episode goes.

[Rashelly]

Saying that means it's "not cool" to like him? That I'm some sort of elitist given that I despise the direction the show is going in? That's fine though, I get called an elitist all the time for having a free opinion.

I have my reasons, you have mine for that but don't tell me that I'm doing this for the sake of some sort of 'higher recognition' because this is a children's show that I grew up with, cried over and fell in love with. I only dislike and critique both writers so much because I love it so much and I might be a tad too picky because it's still the greatest show known to man. Except I can't bare to watch it, in my eyes, decrease in quality and fall from grace any longer with everything I've already outlined. Hence why I'm giving it up after this series.

I'll be serious, I am part of the minority here but I don't feel empowered voicing my opinion about a show I love. It hurts, honest, and that's why I'm giving it up. What I would like, however, is to not be called an 'elitist' or that I'm doing this for another sake other than the fact I'm a Whovian and I probably always will be just not a Moffvian if you get my drift. You can enjoy the show and I can go back and finally dive into the classic series after the odd bite.

I'm trying not to sound like a complete **** but saying that people who have a different opinion, with reasons for that opinion, are doing it for the sake of "being cool" is pretty much saying that they're wrong and you're right. I'm a part of many Doctor Who messaging boards (Gallifreybase, here etc.) and I've seen people who share my opinion and a massive share who don't like it. It doesn't mean I'm a hipster for saying "I did it before anyone else did so I'm cool" it means that I have an opinion and, this being the internet, I'm welcome to share it. It also means that anyone else who happens to have the same opinion as me also has the right to share it with similar reasons. Saying that we're wrong because we just do it "because it's cool" is kind of insulting to me.


I think you took that a little too personally there. I didn't specify you, it's just my experience with some of the Who community.

Like I said, I can understand why people don't like the direction it's going in and if people can actually specify why (not just... "it sux RTD was better and everything Moffat does is stupid"... which ISN'T a valid argument unless it's backed up by something). This obviously doesn't apply to you because, in the few pages I've read of this thread, you have expressed why.

Unlike you, however there are people on the internet, probably younger people who haven't been into Doctor Who for years like a lot of us have (I too grew up watching it, thanks to my grandad and mothers love for the old episodes) who just seem to regurgitate information without really knowing what they're saying... Just because they saw someone else say it.

I'm all for having different opinions, it makes for good discussion. and I love a good discussion.

If what I said insulted you, then I apologise, I certainly didn't have you in mind when I wrote that.

[Fez]

I think you took that a little too personally there. I didn't specify you, it's just my experience with some of the Who community.

Like I said, I can understand why people don't like the direction it's going in and if people can actually specify why (not just... "it sux RTD was better and everything Moffat does is stupid"... which ISN'T a valid argument unless it's backed up by something). This obviously doesn't apply to you because, in the few pages I've read of this thread, you have expressed why.

Unlike you, however there are people on the internet, probably younger people who haven't been into Doctor Who for years like a lot of us have (I too grew up watching it, thanks to my grandad and mothers love for the old episodes) who just seem to regurgitate information without really knowing what they're saying... Just because they saw someone else say it.

I'm all for having different opinions, it makes for good discussion. and I love a good discussion.

If what I said insulted you, then I apologise, I certainly didn't have you in mind when I wrote that.

That's fair enough, just I seem to be posting a lot lately and I thought it was directed at me. No need to apologise if it wasn't personally directed towards me.

I think there are people who dislike NewNewWho for the sake of 'hating it' but they're generally doing it because they don't want to admit to loving it. I'm open about still loving it but wanting to love it like I did with Davies' Days, but I am more than sure there are a damn lot of people who dislike NewNewWho for similar reasons.

[Lost_Addict]

I'm very split on NewNewWho the blatent in your face "lost" moments are annoying and the general standard of episodes is low. However i find with NewNewWho they're are more examples of truley amazing single episodes (2/3 a season). So even though the overal product is sub standard i still watch for those gems of an episode.

[joshuar]

This post is mainly a reply to Fez, didn't want to stick your whole quote in this post as it was a long one, but i've replied in order of the points you made in that post.

Was it every episode? They're a bit hazy now, and I probably didn't catch them all. The flashbacks were definitely helpful (for kids, and those who just can't remember/didn't see them all) and I wish some of those were back, i'm having a hard time remembering where fat blue man came from.

Moffat's finales aren't as big as Davies' by a long shot, but I thought by series 4 (like you) they just got stupid. You probably would feel disappointed by River's revelation as i'm sure you'd read fan theories. When alot of people put their minds together they can figure pretty much anything out, as I didn't look at any of these theories it came as more of a bigger reveal for me, I felt more satisfied with it than you probably did, as with other big reveals of the past.

I don't know which TV show got itself in the big writing knot (to be honest, I don't watch any TV apart from Dr Who and Top Gear, anything else is old TV or none at all), but yes Moffat needs to be careful with all these plots running around the place. If he keeps them all in line it can be good, but if they get too knotty then it will spell disaster. With these plot lines running all over the place and being revealed at different times, it means the "big reveals" of old just won't happen any more. Davies avoided that by keeping all plots within a series, which is good, but I love a bit of change and fair play to Moffat for going for the change to make it feel fresh. And i'm in total agreement about the risen higher thing, how is that rising high? Nothing really happened, he just assembled old "friends" and they killed a few headless monks? No, I don't think that's the highest he's been but we'll have to wait for the next episode to see if it's elaborated on.

From the last episode it felt like we'd learned a bit about eye patch lady, where Amy was, the child is part time lord because it was conceived in the TARDIS etc. It wasn't just the big reveal and secrets was probably the wrong word to use, it was too late to be typing! The pinch of salt line was mainly how I feel about it, I understand that others won't (and will rightly so, defend it and feel disappointed if you feel it's declining) as you love it so. At least you're not hating it for the sake of hating it, nothing worse than crowd mentality ruining the program for some of the hardcore fans.

I do hope that you are able to enjoy it again one day, as i'm sure there is nothing more frustrating than disliking your favourite show, and thanks for some intelligent conversation on Dr Who :) (none of my friends watch it, so I never get to talk about it).

[Fez]

I'm very split on NewNewWho the blatent in your face "lost" moments are annoying and the general standard of episodes is low. However i find with NewNewWho they're are more examples of truley amazing single episodes (2/3 a season). So even though the overal product is sub standard i still watch for those gems of an episode.

I agree here, but not a 'higher ratio of quality episodes'. It depends which season you compare it to.

In all seriousness only three episodes these past two series have really, really stuck out for me - Eleventh Hour, Vincent and the Doctor, Doctor's Wife.

Whereas with Davies' series there's a higher ratio of quality stuff from series one and three, series two and four sort of jump off board the richter scale of ratio but the specials season is mostly darn good.


This post is mainly a reply to Fez, didn't want to stick your whole quote in this post as it was a long one, but i've replied in order of the points you made in that post.

Was it every episode? They're a bit hazy now, and I probably didn't catch them all. The flashbacks were definitely helpful (for kids, and those who just can't remember/didn't see them all) and I wish some of those were back, i'm having a hard time remembering where fat blue man came from.

Moffat's finales aren't as big as Davies' by a long shot, but I thought by series 4 (like you) they just got stupid. You probably would feel disappointed by River's revelation as i'm sure you'd read fan theories. When alot of people put their minds together they can figure pretty much anything out, as I didn't look at any of these theories it came as more of a bigger reveal for me, I felt more satisfied with it than you probably did, as with other big reveals of the past.

I don't know which TV show got itself in the big writing knot (to be honest, I don't watch any TV apart from Dr Who and Top Gear, anything else is old TV or none at all), but yes Moffat needs to be careful with all these plots running around the place. If he keeps them all in line it can be good, but if they get too knotty then it will spell disaster. With these plot lines running all over the place and being revealed at different times, it means the "big reveals" of old just won't happen any more. Davies avoided that by keeping all plots within a series, which is good, but I love a bit of change and fair play to Moffat for going for the change to make it feel fresh. And i'm in total agreement about the risen higher thing, how is that rising high? Nothing really happened, he just assembled old "friends" and they killed a few headless monks? No, I don't think that's the highest he's been but we'll have to wait for the next episode to see if it's elaborated on.

From the last episode it felt like we'd learned a bit about eye patch lady, where Amy was, the child is part time lord because it was conceived in the TARDIS etc. It wasn't just the big reveal and secrets was probably the wrong word to use, it was too late to be typing! The pinch of salt line was mainly how I feel about it, I understand that others won't (and will rightly so, defend it and feel disappointed if you feel it's declining) as you love it so. At least you're not hating it for the sake of hating it, nothing worse than crowd mentality ruining the program for some of the hardcore fans.

I do hope that you are able to enjoy it again one day, as i'm sure there is nothing more frustrating than disliking your favourite show, and thanks for some intelligent conversation on Dr Who :) (none of my friends watch it, so I never get to talk about it).

Fair enough, I guess we agree to disagree.

[Lost_Addict]

See i thought The Eleventh Hour was Sub-Par at best. I thought the intro was tacky the storyline was meh and the enemies were crap. I only liked the kudos to previous Dr's.

For me I loved the angel 2 parter, Amy's Choice, The first 2 of this season, The Dr's Wife and Vincent of the DR.

[peteyt]

I liked a good man goes to war. Yeah some people had guessed it correctly, but they weren't 100 percent sure. He could have made a twist, and had it as some random person and then we'd be like why. I think it shows that simple writing at times can work - you don't need to make something too over complicated.

To me the problem with new who is that the Doctor now is like a celebrity and seems to just make everyone run at the sound of his name. I'd like to see the doctor having to solve some stuff instead of going I'm the doctor run a bit more.

But I prefer Moffat to RTD - RTD to me made doctor who into a soap with Rose's family then Martha's family. Notice how we don't see much of Amy or Rory's family? Someone mentioned earlier we should see more friends of the doctor from RTD's era but I found it got too overcrowded and just ruined it. RTD also used comedy too much at times and couldn't always end his finales that well. Moffat isn't perfect and the big bang 2 ending did make me think of RTD but I don't think it was as bad.

[iBlueBox]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xkQkPo7KRU&feature=feedu

OMG AT WHEN RORY PUNCHS HITLER!

[Chris]

Oh my days. That trailer confused me even more. LOL

Edit: Apparently it returns on Saturday August 27th, although I'm not sure if thats true or not.

[iBlueBox]

Oh my days. That trailer confused me even more. LOL

Edit: Apparently it returns on Saturday August 27th, although I'm not sure if thats true or not.


27th was said at Comic Con!

Heres a clip from the god complex

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-4M0wXCkg8&feature=channel_video_title

[dbgtz]

0:09 - is that churchill again?
0:19 - trolol
0:27 - river in the eye patch? I always found river and eye patch lady looked similar so I am actually asking someone :D

I hope the cybermen have a much larger role (as in one episode) this time, and not just "here i amz, oh no u blew up ma ship, ok herz wht u want". Infact thinking about it, it could be their revenge. I am also guessing we see the silence in the final episode, assuming the series ends where it begins.

Also I'm guessing the 27th does apply to us aswell as Americans?

[iBlueBox]

0:09 - is that churchill again?
0:19 - trolol
0:27 - river in the eye patch? I always found river and eye patch lady looked similar so I am actually asking someone :D

I hope the cybermen have a much larger role (as in one episode) this time, and not just "here i amz, oh no u blew up ma ship, ok herz wht u want". Infact thinking about it, it could be their revenge. I am also guessing we see the silence in the final episode, assuming the series ends where it begins.

Also I'm guessing the 27th does apply to us aswell as Americans?

Yeye, thats churchill!

If it's 27th for Americans, They got it a day after us didn't they? So we'd get it on the 26th?

[dbgtz]

Yeye, thats churchill!

If it's 27th for Americans, They got it a day after us didn't they? So we'd get it on the 26th?

I think part one was the same date, but obviously time zone differences and that. I'm not sure though.

[peteyt]

Time is damaged

I wonder if that could = tardis exploding.

Because we still haven't had a proper explanation and I'm waiting ha

[Fez]

"here i amz, oh no u blew up ma ship, ok herz wht u want"

Sounds like an RPG from the 90s.

[Rashelly]

I think I just wet my pants.

[james,]

Oh my days. That trailer confused me even more. LOL

Edit: Apparently it returns on Saturday August 27th, although I'm not sure if thats true or not.

It confused me as well, looking forward to it though!

[xxMATTGxx]

I can't wait for it to start again :D

[Inseriousity.]

Hooray end of august, earlier than I thought it'd be. :D

[iBlueBox]

Can't remember if I posted though,

Karen Gillan will be returning for Series 7 of Doctor Who,

that would make her the longest companion in New Who.

[Chris]

Can't remember if I posted though,

Karen Gillan will be returning for Series 7 of Doctor Who,

that would make her the longest companion in New Who.

Ah yes I read that too. I'm glad shes staying, I love her character. :D

[iBlueBox]

Ah yes I read that too. I'm glad shes staying, I love her character. :D

I love her as Amy ;D

My only worry is that Matt's Doctor will only be knowing for having her as a companion and no other.

[dbgtz]

I love her as Amy ;D

My only worry is that Matt's Doctor will only be knowing for having her as a companion and no other.

Rory? :L I guess it's not quite the same.

As much as I love her and Matt, I hope one of them (assuming Matt has been signed on for the next series) does get replace next series otherwise it will feel a bit dry. Or at least some sort of break at least in Karens role. Such as the end of one series she leaves the TARDIS with Rory to have a family or something. Then she gets bored and in the next series or two she accidentally starts an alien invasion by trying to get the doctor's help. Infact it would be much more comic if the doctor regenerated by then and she's just like "who are you"... Then at the end of the episode, the dr, amy and maybe rory go for another series. Tbh I would quite like another donna-like character.

[iBlueBox]

Rory? :L I guess it's not quite the same.

As much as I love her and Matt, I hope one of them (assuming Matt has been signed on for the next series) does get replace next series otherwise it will feel a bit dry. Or at least some sort of break at least in Karens role. Such as the end of one series she leaves the TARDIS with Rory to have a family or something. Then she gets bored and in the next series or two she accidentally starts an alien invasion by trying to get the doctor's help. Infact it would be much more comic if the doctor regenerated by then and she's just like "who are you"... Then at the end of the episode, the dr, amy and maybe rory go for another series. Tbh I would quite like another donna-like character.

There was an article posted a few days , forgot where it was but, Steven Moffat wanted Miranda Hart as an companion, which I would of thought would of been brilliant choice, But the head of the BBC said no, as Miranda needed to stay focussed on her comedy.

[dbgtz]

There was an article posted a few days , forgot where it was but, Steven Moffat wanted Miranda Hart as an companion, which I would of thought would of been brilliant choice, But the head of the BBC said no, as Miranda needed to stay focussed on her comedy.

Damn that sucks, hopefully a christmas special or in the future. Thinking about it now she would be brilliant :D

[Fez]

It looks interesting, sad to hear that Karen has another 'big tweest!' hidden though, I can't wait to be teased endlessly weeks on end to be disappointed again!

I think I'll live without the show after this series.

[peteyt]

If any assistant had to go out of Amy and Rory I'd have to say Amy. I love Amy, but if Rory left we'd have series 5 again and it would be about her feelings for the doctor and her not too sure about which one was the one for her.

[Accipiter]

If amy left rory pretty much has to aswell

He's a tad under the thumb

[iBlueBox]

You know What would be amazing!

Christmas Special by the end of series 6,

Amy & Rory get took to normal earth with young River Song as a baby, have a happy christmas.

WHILE, The Doctor goes of one of his christmas adventures, with older River Song,

then, Series 7, Rory and Amy come back with a young River, old River goes of somewhere.

[Accipiter]

In the new trailer isn't river song wearing an eye patch like the ***** that kidnapped her? :S

[DPS]

In the new trailer isn't river song wearing an eye patch like the ***** that kidnapped her? :S

Yup your correct, thats her with the eye patch on.

[iBlueBox]

The crazy viking also has an eye patch on.

[DPS]

Didnt the lady that took river as a baby, have an eye patch too? Maybe river has one on because she grew up with that lady?

[Accipiter]

Could just be a kind of dress up so she can enter a base or something, I'm wondering if that woman is actually river song herself tbf, riversong does kill the doctor and that woman did seem pretty determined too

[peteyt]

Could just be a kind of dress up so she can enter a base or something, I'm wondering if that woman is actually river song herself tbf, riversong does kill the doctor and that woman did seem pretty determined too

We don't know if she kills the doctor yet

[=Lizzy]

looking forward to when it starts again

[Accipiter]

They went for the obvious story line mid season so im guessing it'll finish obvious too :P

[Lost_Addict]

She said she killed the best man she ever new.... Rory? Her Dad... possibly :P

[dbgtz]

It could well be Rory considering it hasn't been said if he's back for another series, I think.

[Accipiter]

hmm could be right, because Amy did the same

[peteyt]

rory keeps dying so it would be stupid.

I kind of think maybe they have made part of the season obvious so we also think the next part is.

[DPS]

Well we all know the doctor isnt going to die anytime soon, Matt hasnt been in the job that long compared to other doctors, so i think its a good bet that its rory

[Accipiter]

We've seen the Dr die

But there'll probably be some twist too that

[iBlueBox]

Well, David had 3 series's of Doctor Who and the specials,


Matt's doing his third series's of Doctor Who next year, He's nearly had the same amount of time as David not including the specials.

[Accipiter]

christ doesn't feel like matts been here that long

Im sure david tennant will have had more episodes?

[dbgtz]

christ doesn't feel like matts been here that long

Im sure david tennant will have had more episodes?

Wasn't series 2 15 episodes? So if Matt left next series David would have had 2 more episodes, minus the specials.

[iBlueBox]

Wasn't series 2 15 episodes? So if Matt left next series David would have had 2 more episodes, minus the specials.

Series 2 had 13 episodes, not including the christmas specials.

[dbgtz]

Series 2 had 13 episodes, not including the christmas specials.

huh, I wonder why I always thought it had 15 episodes. I think I included the christmas invasion, not sure where the other one came from LOL.

[DPS]

Hate when they change doctors.

[dbgtz]

Hate when they change doctors.

It's what keeps the series fresh though, and in theory never ending.

[Accipiter]

In all honesty, I think Matt has a lot of series ahead of him still, but I still feel some of it is a bit too soft, more child like atm

[DPS]

It's what keeps the series fresh though, and in theory never ending.

I know but soon as i get used to a new one, they change :(

[Chris]

New promo pic for part 2

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8ayiCFBXc9w/Tjcwr4FduEI/AAAAAAAAN8o/pCrK0MrCXBQ/s1600/series6part2_portrait.jpg

I love the doctors new coat. :D

[Accipiter]

hope the coats not permanent, far to military style / captain jack style

Looks like it'll be part of the thing

Looks like amy & rory are dragging the doctor away from something :S possibly the crack behind them?

[iBlueBox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szw0dyFtJqk&feature=feedu

[dbgtz]

New promo pic for part 2

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8ayiCFBXc9w/Tjcwr4FduEI/AAAAAAAAN8o/pCrK0MrCXBQ/s1600/series6part2_portrait.jpg

I love the doctors new coat. :D

I'm liking amys... everything ;) I'm guessing the coat is from the WWII episode so maybe that's the 2nd last episode and just doesn't take it off for the finale? It kind of looks like the picture is purely the finale.

[DPS]

Amy in SKIRT! omg im in heaven.

[Fez]

Amy in SKIRT! omg im in heaven.

inorite

If it wasn't for general Karen Gillianess I would've given up on Series 5. Glad she's not a problem anymore with Roranicus Pondicus around.

[Accipiter]

When is it when this series starts again I was under the impression it was this weekend o_o

Next weekend?

[Chris]

When is it when this series starts again I was under the impression it was this weekend o_o

Next weekend?

Saturday the 20th I think.

[DPS]

Saturday the 20th I think.

IMDB says

Season 6, Episode 8: Let's Kill Hitler (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1795142/)Original Air Date—27 August 2011"

[Chris]

IMDB says

Season 6, Episode 8: Let's Kill Hitler (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1795142/)Original Air Date—27 August 2011"

Oh yeah, 27th is the air date for America. No confirmed date for the UK but it is probably the same.

[the.games]

AARGH. It's so frustrating on a cliff hangar until autumn.
Can't wait to see it, though!

[iBlueBox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5xJeZyp8nQ&feature=share

The Prequel.

[iBlueBox]

Sorry for double post.

Steven Moffat CONFIRMS A New Companion for next year. I do still think Amy and Rory will be in the show next year just not as full time companions.

[Fez]

Sorry for double post.

Steven Moffat CONFIRMS A New Companion for next year. I do still think Amy and Rory will be in the show next year just not as full time companions.

I'm not entirely sure on this BUT John Barrowman recently said he has some 'sci-fi work' next year. I can't remember the interview (would appreciate if someone found it) but judging from how Miracle Day is probably going to end all wibbly wobbly it would be nice to see Jack move into the TARDIS crew.

[Rashelly]

I'm not entirely sure on this BUT John Barrowman recently said he has some 'sci-fi work' next year. I can't remember the interview (would appreciate if someone found it) but judging from how Miracle Day is probably going to end all wibbly wobbly it would be nice to see Jack move into the TARDIS crew.
oh god, i hope not

[Accipiter]

I want to see matt, really, really, really angry, like pure angry.

I kind of want to see an episode of him truly hopeless to, crying at the fact he's stuck in such a rut, I WANT SOMETHING EMOTIONAL, SEEING MATT CRY WOULD BE DEVASTATING.

[Fez]

I want to see matt, really, really, really angry, like pure angry.

I kind of want to see an episode of him truly hopeless to, crying at the fact he's stuck in such a rut, I WANT SOMETHING EMOTIONAL, SEEING MATT CRY WOULD BE DEVASTATING.

He did cry in The Doctor's Wife. I almost did too ;_;

[Accipiter]

I just watched that the other day!?

I can't recall him crying!

[Fez]

I just watched that the other day!?

I can't recall him crying!

Re-watch, it's when she's saying goodbye.

[iBlueBox]

it's been said that in Lets Kill H1tler, Rose,Martha,Donna make a small cameo, Don't know if its 100% true though.

[dbgtz]

it's been said that in Lets Kill H1tler, Rose,Martha,Donna make a small cameo, Don't know if its 100% true though.

I personally doubt, unless it's a flashback. Even then it is rocky ground.

[iBlueBox]

I personally doubt, unless it's a flashback. Even then it is rocky ground.

They could appear as a hologram, in The TARDIS swell

[Tom]

They could appear as a hologram, in The TARDIS swell

I think that would be amazing tbh...

[Accipiter]

How can Donna? Her head would blow up!?

I do want to see the doctors daughter back though...

[iBlueBox]

Well, If it's a hologram, It could of been a pre-recorded message? No idea might not even happen, It might just be like the images of them, or just a flashback.

Jenny, was great, But i'ld rather have The Doctors Granddaughter back Susan xD

[Tom]

How can Donna? Her head would blow up!?

Well tbh, the producer could've just made up when he 'rebooted time and space' that Donna remembers everything, and is now trying to find the doctor again? Dun dun dunnnn

[iBlueBox]

Well tbh, the producer could've just made up when he 'rebooted time and space' that Donna remembers everything, and is now trying to find the doctor again? Dun dun dunnnn

Well, wasn't the events of the Dalek invasion in Parting of Ways, can't remember the episode, but Series 4 Episode 13, Where Donna lost her memory of The Doctor, wasn't that wiped clean by the cracks of time, ( hence, Amy can't remember) So maybe she never lost her memory? Time would have still gone on and , The Doctor and Donna would of separated, but maybe she could of been left behind.

[Tom]

Well, wasn't the events of the Dalek invasion in Parting of Ways, can't remember the episode, but Series 4 Episode 13, Where Donna lost her memory of The Doctor, wasn't that wiped clean by the cracks of time, ( hence, Amy can't remember) So maybe she never lost her memory? Time would have still gone on and , The Doctor and Donna would of separated, but maybe she could of been left behind.

I like your theory, but I don't think it was actually wiped clean by the cracks in time, he doesn't really explain how he wiped it? I'll have to re watch the end of the episode. But her memory was burning out because a human can't be timelord blah blah blah, and. Well I can't really remember! I'll watch it and come back to you ;)

[iBlueBox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU95A3v156c&feature=channel_video_title


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB1meNCLGsY&feature=channel_video_title


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_7Kh_axu8&feature=channel_video_title

[Fez]

"Okay I am trapped inside a giant robot replica of my wife."

NEW FANTASY ACQUIRED.

[Tom]

"Okay I am trapped inside a giant robot replica of my wife."

NEW FANTASY ACQUIRED.

LOL, love it.

Really can't wait for it now! :(

[Chippiewill]

it's been said that in Lets Kill H1tler, Rose,Martha,Donna make a small cameo, Don't know if its 100% true though.

I really doubt it, the Matt Smith era is trying it's best not to be tangled up by the loose ends of the previous era (They even redesigned daleks!)

[Chris]

27th August @ 19:10 on BBC one for the UK. :D

[iBlueBox]

I really doubt it, the Matt Smith era is trying it's best not to be tangled up by the loose ends of the previous era (They even redesigned daleks!)

Like, I've said before, It might just even be a photo of them,

[Tom]

I really doubt it, the Matt Smith era is trying it's best not to be tangled up by the loose ends of the previous era (They even redesigned daleks!)

The daleks have been around since... the beginning of Doctor Who and I think they needed a re-design if I'm honest. I got bored of seeing the same design over and over ;[ nearly in EVERY final episode of a series they were there with the same design.

[Chippiewill]

Like, I've said before, It might just even be a photo of them,

Well, I guess they have done that before. (Eleventh hour)

[DPS]

Just been told i've gotta go to scotland from the 26th till the 28th for a removal job ;/ grrr :( means i cant watch till monday after its out ;/

[Accipiter]

Its possible it will happen, the new series has shown past doctors so no doubt it will have to face the truth soon and talk about past companions, i'm sure river song will bring them up

[iBlueBox]

Its possible it will happen, the new series has shown past doctors so no doubt it will have to face the truth soon and talk about past companions, i'm sure river song will bring them up

It was already been brought up, lol.

There was an extra scene though filmed for the box sets of Series 5, What explains past companions, Set after Flesh and Stone where she tried to kiss him,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM_WpGtDZAE

[Accipiter]

I laughed at miss out the metal dog why don't you LMAO

Good scene don't see why it needed cutting!

[iBlueBox]

I laughed at miss out the metal dog why don't you LMAO

Good scene don't see why it needed cutting!

It wasn't cut xD It was made just for the box sets,

[Accipiter]

Oh :(

I haven't gotten any of the box sets since series 3

[iBlueBox]

5 Days To Go! Too excited now! :D

[Accipiter]

The lets kill hitler episode looks like it might be a good opening episode, just like the 1st of the series

I have to say i've enjoyed the main plot of this series, I thought the flesh episodes where weak though!

[iBlueBox]

The lets kill hitler episode looks like it might be a good opening episode, just like the 1st of the series

I have to say i've enjoyed the main plot of this series, I thought the flesh episodes where weak though!

I found, Curse of the blackspot & the flesh episodes where very week,

The problem I had with part 1, was there was two two parters what where to close together,

I do think I'll enjoy Part 2 of Series 6 a lot more.

---------- Post added 22-08-2011 at 01:19 PM ----------


The lets kill hitler episode looks like it might be a good opening episode, just like the 1st of the series

I have to say i've enjoyed the main plot of this series, I thought the flesh episodes where weak though!

I found, Curse of the blackspot & the flesh episodes where very week,

The problem I had with part 1, was there was two two parters what where to close together,

I do think I'll enjoy Part 2 of Series 6 a lot more.

[Accipiter]

I don't really like two parters, I always feel robbed by them!

The only things I enjoyed about those episodes where the closeness in the tardis, playing darts etc, telling amy to get to bed, made the tardis look more like a home, has never been shown that way before and I enjoy it!

[iBlueBox]

Episode 13, will be called

' The Wedding of River Song '

[Accipiter]

can't wait to have purpose in life again!

Jokes but I can't wait till it starts!

[Tom]

The days are coming nearer, I really can't wait. It's like Christmas :S How sad!

I saw a trailer earlier today but it involved River Song looking like that weird women in 'Demons Run' if you know what I mean - with the eye patch and stuff? It looks too good!! I just can't wait.

[Chippiewill]

If there's anybody who needs reminding of the plot of the first episode for continuity reasons then here's an entirely accurate abridged version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3cNec6G75s

[Fez]

If there's anybody who needs reminding of the plot of the first episode for continuity reasons then here's an entirely accurate abridged version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3cNec6G75s

"Space."
"Yeah cus it's not like we've ever been there before."

Brilliant.

[Accipiter]

Swear to god theres a single frame of David Tennant in one of the trailers.

[Tom]

LMAO! I love the 'abridged' version!

2 DAYS WOO

[DPS]

Woooooop not long now

[Chris]

Not sure if this has been seen, but here is an image of the new cybermats

http://slothradio.com/images/cybermat/photo%201.jpeg

Anyway, looking forward to tomorrows episode, I'm hoping its as good as the first ep of the series.

[dbgtz]

Swear to god theres a single frame of David Tennant in one of the trailers.

I think it's him too, but it's probs just rory.

[Accipiter]

http://www.iaza.com/work/110827C/iaza19296945779900.png

as soon as I saw it I thought :S thats the christopher eccleston / david tennant regeneration scene

are rorys side burns really that big

[iBlueBox]

http://www.iaza.com/work/110827C/iaza19296945779900.png

as soon as I saw it I thought :S thats the christopher eccleston / david tennant regeneration scene

are rorys side burns really that big

It's One of those little people who control the like robot replicas

[Chippiewill]

I finally worked out that whole genocide of the silence thing:

Righty-ho so we all remember that bit where the Doctor causes mass genocide of The Silence (About 2.30):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVVQ0u--mYo

And that bit in "The Doctor's Daughter" where he says "Over my dead body" for genocide:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drpnhM7rf_A

Well...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-L-spiYhHIqY/TbXBVKQI60I/AAAAAAAAAqM/4Q_C_gUOo_Y/s1600/17+%2522CREYS%2522.png

Steven Moffat being a very clever man:
http://media.rhizome.org/blog/3637/01.jpg


Anyway, I can't wait for them to kill hitler in an hour.

[DPS]

ITS ON!!!!!!!

[Accipiter]

Just realised he says on my life riversong will be safe to!

What if river song has to kill the doctor to keep herself safe!

[DPS]

You got a time machine, i got a gun. What the hell! lets kill hitler.

[Chippiewill]

lol at bullying rory.

[dbgtz]

****e reason why the series had to be split, but i loved the flashback

[Chippiewill]

That's kinda interesting.
He (Moffat) did a quite good job there for a moment. Sneaky Doctor covering his.. privates.

[dbgtz]

well that regeneration rules out the doctor having to be white.

omg i ******* loled at the part where shes trying to kill the doctor but he knows whats being attempted :P

[DPS]

I did not see that coming! but wait shes mixraced? ;s that doesnt fit ;s

[Chippiewill]

Ok, well Moffat has already revealed everything, great.

[DPS]

They said hes always going to die in Utah... ;s does that mean the worlds on repeat lol

[Chippiewill]

Reckons fish fingers and custard links him back to his regeneration and such.

[DPS]

This episode is just total weird ;s

[DPS]

Wooo! she might have killed him, but now shes saved him? ;s does this mean she doesnt kill him in the future? they never said she would save him ;s only that she kills him, and there she killed him, spose they got it right? lol

[Chippiewill]

I'm now fairly slightly certain that she's the impossible astronaut.

[DPS]

I'm now fairly slightly certain that she's the impossible astronaut.

Wouldnt work? she was there and watched the astronaut do it? and wasnt the little girl in there?

[dbgtz]

That episode was a decent start to the half I'd say, but the episode shouldn't have been "Let's kill Hitler" as it had almost nothing to do with him.

[Accipiter]

I loved that episode, I don't care that he pushed things forward, you'd complain if he hung onto this forever.

Absolutely loved it all, laughed when he was like "I accidentally saved your life..."


---------- Post added 27-08-2011 at 08:03 PM ----------


That episode was a decent start to the half I'd say, but the episode shouldn't have been "Let's kill Hitler" as it had almost nothing to do with him.

It was kind of the punchline to why it all happens though, without that line not much would have happened!

---------- Post added 27-08-2011 at 08:05 PM ----------

Laughed at confidential

the "Lets not make this episode corney"

[Niall!]

Ok, well Moffat has already revealed everything, great.

You honestly think that? We still don't know what the silence want.

[Chippiewill]

You honestly think that? We still don't know what the silence want.

I was referring to RS, I thought it would be really good for a series climax but I guess they just want to get the entire RS arc over and done with.

[luce]

watched it for the first time in AGES today and didn't really get it that river person seems to be about 5 different people! So confusing i was just excited Bille got some air time ;-)

[Pigperson]

Loving the new series although this is starting to get pretty confusing. It's all these time lines and people meeting at the wrong times that confuses me.

Just a few quick questions:
1) Am I right in thinking that this is the 3rd series with Matt Smith and Karen Gillan because I swear christopher eccleston did 1 series, and david tennant did 4 so I'm confused lol.
2) When did the Doctor and Amy meet River Song because I forgot that episode.

Will

[Chris]

Loving the new series although this is starting to get pretty confusing. It's all these time lines and people meeting at the wrong times that confuses me.

Just a few quick questions:
1) Am I right in thinking that this is the 3rd series with Matt Smith and Karen Gillan because I swear christopher eccleston did 1 series, and david tennant did 4 so I'm confused lol.
2) When did the Doctor and Amy meet River Song because I forgot that episode.

Will

1) This is Matt and Karen's second series. Chris did 1 and David did 3.
2) It was in the episode "Silence in the Library" in series 4 when he met River. :)

[dbgtz]

Loving the new series although this is starting to get pretty confusing. It's all these time lines and people meeting at the wrong times that confuses me.

Just a few quick questions:
1) Am I right in thinking that this is the 3rd series with Matt Smith and Karen Gillan because I swear christopher eccleston did 1 series, and david tennant did 4 so I'm confused lol.
2) When did the Doctor and Amy meet River Song because I forgot that episode.

Will

Amy met her in the weeping angels episode of last series I think, "The Time of Angels" and "Flesh and Stone". The rest of what Infectious said was right as the specials don't actually count as a series :P

[Fez]

Okay so I've been digesting this episode all day and I still don't know what to think of it. Is it bad? Absolutely not, I thoroughly enjoyed Matt's Doctor being the centerpiece and the Rory/Amy chemistry that I liked in Part 1 is now a whole delicious side-story. It's like the meat and potatoes of Doctor Who now with Matt being the meat (nohomo) from the dancey dancey time to the Amelia Pond begging along with fish custard and general "I knew that you'd know that I'd do that." bits with River Song, I feel this is his best acting performance since The Doctor's Wife. In my books he's more memorable than David Tennant's Doctor and not because of the writing.

Speaking of the writing it's feels so... convenient. The whole episode was built around the Doctor dying, which is a great way to start a series... wait what, and the drama we went through didn't... pay off. If anything I'm not sure if this was trying to act as plot hole tissue for the Forest Of The Dead episode with Song having no regenerations, though she herself said "It'll fry both of your hearts."

The Amy/Rory flashback was cute when Karen Gillan literally called Rory, the man who would punch Hitler in the face and tell him to "Shut up.", gay. I was quite a bit peeved off with how they made us assume the giant best friends forever and ever thing with Mel/Rory/Amy given her character literally came out of nowhere but I guess it was a cover story for her to get to the Doctor.

Hitler in the closet was a nice touch. Moffat said this was an episode making fun of Hitler and they hit it right on the noggin.

The 'Meet Dave' enemy was a little flimsy, the antibodies weren't really frightening nor was anything really. The constant reminder that "The Doctor is gunna die sumday omg hows he gunna git out of this one!" rather punishes casual viewers who probably don't know what the **** is going on half the time and annoys viewers like us who watch every episode. Speaking of 'Meet Dave' enemy, it was nice seeing double Pond again though shame about the lack of sexual tension.

So, did I like it? Maybe. I still feel like the show is trying to hammer a LOST like structure into my brain but now that River Song has (disappointingly) being resolved and we can finally get on with proper character moments between her and the Doctor, well, maybe the show will warm up to me. This series started off with genocide, a really flimsy 'clone' story, a Neil Gaiman episode that was actually damn bloody good and then the most tiresome "RIVER SONG, MORE LIKE RIVER POND AMIRITE?" 45 minute 'Part 1 Finale'.

'Let's Kill Hitler' is... fun and rewarding to some degree. I don't hate Doctor Who, never have with Karen Gillan's legs, Matt Smith's charms and Rory being a badass but I have gone off it awhile. It's a shame then that Moffat then throws some stuff like 'the question' and the mystery of the Silents origins and stuff, when we just got done with River Song, I mean give us a break pls kthx.

I'm probably ranting, but to summarise.

- I thought Matt Smith's performance is his best ever.
- Is it just me or does Karen Gillan get increasingly more attractive every episode?
- Rory punching Hitler and telling him to shut up.
- Meet Dave
- I was cheated out of a proper ending, that because River Song is a timehuman or whatever she's able to throw her regenerations at the Doctor. There's no real razzle dazzle or proper realization, if it came from the Doctor it would be even less of a pay-off really, but this would have been a nice chance to show off some great writing bits. Having River Song explain that she's going to literally give her life to save the Doctor would be a great pay-off, not just "I AM BECOME MAGIC."
- Still more LOST like stuff
- Character of Mel still felt a little misplaced, felt like a video-game in which I played a guy on a revenge story and just had to assume years of history between me and my dead wife to give one ounce of care about the story. Same with Mel, having to assume years of history and a 3 minute flashback can't help that kinda thing.
- Probably wrote too much.
- IF Moffat doesn't stray away from this type of episode, I may be inclined to watch next series.

[Pigperson]

1) This is Matt and Karen's second series. Chris did 1 and David did 3.
2) It was in the episode "Silence in the Library" in series 4 when he met River. :)


Amy met her in the weeping angels episode of last series I think, "The Time of Angels" and "Flesh and Stone". The rest of what Infectious said was right as the specials don't actually count as a series :P

Thanks :D I'm getting confused by which sections of doctor who counts as a series lol. Because Billie Piper did 2 years, Freema Agyeman did 2 years, Catherine Tate did 1 year and Karen Gillan is on her 2nd year but I swear there have been 3 series ends (The wedding, the pandorica and demon's run :S) I would really appreciate it if someone could clear this up lol :D

Will

[Accipiter]

Demons Run was a mid season end, we're still in a season because it became americanised and americans like large toilet breaks because they eat a lot.

[Tom]

It's already been said she regenerated into a toddler? So maybe:
She saves the doctor, but they kinda re-wrote time? So that's probably the fact she has to kill him again or something?

[Accipiter]

The suit was manufactured to fit a child, so I was confused in that sense that she'd have already succeeded in killing the doctor?

And Fez, it's been shown before that regeneration can be transferred (Donna) and that it's kinda magic for 24 hours after (Sycorax) So when given the time energy (think thats its name) his body would regenerate again.

[dbgtz]

Thanks :D I'm getting confused by which sections of doctor who counts as a series lol. Because Billie Piper did 2 years, Freema Agyeman did 2 years, Catherine Tate did 1 year and Karen Gillan is on her 2nd year but I swear there have been 3 series ends (The wedding, the pandorica and demon's run :S) I would really appreciate it if someone could clear this up lol :D

Will

The wedding and the pandorica? The wedding was just a little bit added to the end of series 5, and as said demons run mid series. Also Freema done 1 year then guest starred in a few eps :P (Sontaren strategem, Journey's end (and whatever the other part was called) etc.) and also the brief cameo in the final special episode.

Also @fez I agree with the enemy being a bit urg and "meet dave" like and also jellyfish killers were as crap too, and I also agree with the Karen Gillan part ;) One thing that also annoyed me was how she seemed to be able to control the sonic so easily. I mean, with Rory you see him toughen up as a character so him punching the german person (who turned out to be the bot) seemed to make sense, along with him being strong against Hitler, but with Amy it just seems to come out of the blue.

[Fez]

The suit was manufactured to fit a child, so I was confused in that sense that she'd have already succeeded in killing the doctor?

And Fez, it's been shown before that regeneration can be transferred (Donna) and that it's kinda magic for 24 hours after (Sycorax) So when given the time energy (think thats its name) his body would regenerate again.

Did Donna use her regenerations to save the Doctor or anyone else? She got timelord essence but not the regenerations, and the whole 'kinda magic' thing I have no problem with. River did that when she got shot up by the Nazifolk.

Just seems way too convenient that a Time Human has a certain biological twist that could let them shove their regens on to somebody else. Unless I seriously missed something in The Stolen Earth.

[Pigperson]

The wedding and the pandorica? The wedding was just a little bit added to the end of series 5, and as said demons run mid series. Also Freema done 1 year then guest starred in a few eps :P (Sontaren strategem, Journey's end (and whatever the other part was called) etc.) and also the brief cameo in the final special episode.

Ty for clearing it up. I thought Freema did 2 series, I remember 2 series endings I think. Can someone please just put a timeline up of each series and who was in it because I'm still unsure LOL.

Will

[peteyt]

A few things I didn't like.

Hitler wasn't in it much, but the main issue was that they where in Berlin, at the heart of the second world war. I'm sure Hitler would have had regular check ups, and being in the Capital someone should have noticed the none Germans running around.

I also now am partly confused. If the doctor's death we saw at the beginning of this episode is a fixed point in time, isn't it going to happen? The doctor tried to change a fixed point in time in the Waters of Mars and didn't really succeed (although maybe it was still possible, if she hadn't shot herself, I'm not to sure). But if it is fixed and cannot be changed then I wonder how they will get themselves out of it, remembering that Matt Smith is back for the next season.

Now one thing I've wondered to. The River who comes to see the Doctor just before his death, seems shocked when he is killed and wants to work out what is going on - yet from what we are made to believe it is her who kills the doctor in the space suit - surely she'd remember.

Not to mention the fact that when the Tardis exploded and we hear just before "Silence Will Fall" her future self doesn't seem to have a clue what the silence/silents are even though being her future self she should.

[dbgtz]

A few things I didn't like.

Hitler wasn't in it much, but the main issue was that they where in Berlin, at the heart of the second world war. I'm sure Hitler would have had regular check ups, and being in the Capital someone should have noticed the none Germans running around.

I also now am partly confused. If the doctor's death we saw at the beginning of this episode is a fixed point in time, isn't it going to happen? The doctor tried to change a fixed point in time in the Waters of Mars and didn't really succeed (although maybe it was still possible, if she hadn't shot herself, I'm not to sure). But if it is fixed and cannot be changed then I wonder how they will get themselves out of it, remembering that Matt Smith is back for the next season.

Now one thing I've wondered to. The River who comes to see the Doctor just before his death, seems shocked when he is killed and wants to work out what is going on - yet from what we are made to believe it is her who kills the doctor in the space suit - surely she'd remember.

Not to mention the fact that when the Tardis exploded and we hear just before "Silence Will Fall" her future self doesn't seem to have a clue what the silence/silents are even though being her future self she should.

At the first point, wasn't it 1938, a year before the war started?

[Fez]

A few things I didn't like.

Hitler wasn't in it much, but the main issue was that they where in Berlin, at the heart of the second world war. I'm sure Hitler would have had regular check ups, and being in the Capital someone should have noticed the none Germans running around.

I also now am partly confused. If the doctor's death we saw at the beginning of this episode is a fixed point in time, isn't it going to happen? The doctor tried to change a fixed point in time in the Waters of Mars and didn't really succeed (although maybe it was still possible, if she hadn't shot herself, I'm not to sure). But if it is fixed and cannot be changed then I wonder how they will get themselves out of it, remembering that Matt Smith is back for the next season.

Now one thing I've wondered to. The River who comes to see the Doctor just before his death, seems shocked when he is killed and wants to work out what is going on - yet from what we are made to believe it is her who kills the doctor in the space suit - surely she'd remember.

Not to mention the fact that when the Tardis exploded and we hear just before "Silence Will Fall" her future self doesn't seem to have a clue what the silence/silents are even though being her future self she should.

I am also partly confused actually, I worry if Moffat stumbled around the writer's table or maybe just some clumsy work on his part. I'm sure she isn't the one in the space suit, I think it's the Doctor.

As dbgtz said, it was set in 1938, a year before the war.

[Chippiewill]

Fairly certain that the doctor who dies is a Flesh Doctor (Locked onto the Matt Smith regeneration rather than the current one of the time, age 1300), and that he's either shot by the real older doctor, real younger doctor (Number 1 on the card and wasn't at his death, lolwut) or River Song (Forced by remaining programming).

[Inseriousity.]

I quite liked the episode. knew hitler was just used for publicity so it didn't really bother me that he wasn't in it. Mels was annoying. we didnt know enough bout her so it just felt kinda off. thought it was cool that melody put her parents together cos you can guess rory wouldnt have said anything about it otherwise! a lot of talk bout programming and conditioning, I hope they mean nurture in the nature vs nurture bit cos if its anything sci-fi i am gonna be annoyed!

[Fez]

If River Song is Mels, who was with Amy/Rory for like forever... why was she shocked in The Big Bang when she went through Amy's house?

[dbgtz]

If River Song is Mels, who was with Amy/Rory for like forever... why was she shocked in The Big Bang when she went through Amy's house?

what was she shocked about? I can't quite remember :P

[Fez]

what was she shocked about? I can't quite remember :P

Something to the effect of "omg shes who obsessed".

[dbgtz]

Something to the effect of "omg shes who obsessed".

Oh yeah I remember now, but tbh that was probably the shock of realising that the romans and all of that was ficticious.

[Wig44.]

Oh god it just gets worse. Doctor Who is terrible now, complete drivel.

[iBlueBox]

Oh god it just gets worse. Doctor Who is terrible now, complete drivel.

To be honest, the shows doing better then it ever has.

[Wig44.]

To be honest, the shows doing better then it ever has.

I have no doubt the ratings are higher now. I don't have a problem with people who like the new series of Doctor Who but still don't see what all the fuss is about. For the record, I liked the older series and I'm in to sci-fi - so it's nothing to do with an aversion to sci-fi. Some of my problems would be the boring storylines, plot holes and crap characters. The acting is generally so-so.

[Pigperson]

Could someone do me a favour and post which doctor and which assistant was in each series and how that series ended because I'm confused :S Thanks ;)

Will

[Chris]

Series 1 - Christopher eccleston (9th Doctor) & Billie Piper (Rose Tyler) ~ Doctor regenerated
Series 2 - David tennant (10th Doctor) & Billie Piper (Rose Tyler) ~ Rose gets trapped in the parallel universe and the doctor is left on his own
Series 3 - David Tennant (10th Doctor) & Freema agyeman (Martha Jones) ~ Martha decides to stay at home after the master is killed
Series 4 - David Tennant (10th Doctor) & Catherine Tate (Donna Noble) ~ Donna becomes part human part timelord and has her memory wiped
Series 4 specials - David Tennant (10th Doctor) ~ 10th docs story ends and he regenerates
Series 5 - Matt Smith (11th Doctor) & Karen Gillan (Amy Pond) & Arthur Darvill (Rory Williams) ~ We're left knowing pretty much nothing, just lots of clues
Seires 6 - Matt Smith (11th Doctor) & Karen Gillan (Amy Pond) & Arthur Darvill (Rory Williams) ~ So far we now know who River is and that the Doctor is going to die.

Hope that helpsss ^^ :)

[Fez]

To be honest, the shows doing better then it ever has.

I couldn't disagree more, but I don't think it's 'complete drivel'. It's still Doctor Who at the end of the day.

[iBlueBox]

I couldn't disagree more, but I don't think it's 'complete drivel'. It's still Doctor Who at the end of the day.

To be honest, Yes the shows been a bit confusing in Series 6 with the big River drive, Moff has said it'll go back to single based stories in Series 7.

Also, the shows starting to get a bit big in America now, They've really driven it over there, this year.

[Stephen]

i used to like it more when they had little adventures for each episode then one big finale at the end which didn't get properly involved in the series til the actual end :( But next weeks looks good

[Pigperson]

Series 1 - Christopher eccleston (9th Doctor) & Billie Piper (Rose Tyler) ~ Doctor regenerated
Series 2 - David tennant (10th Doctor) & Billie Piper (Rose Tyler) ~ Rose gets trapped in the parallel universe and the doctor is left on his own
Series 3 - David Tennant (10th Doctor) & Freema agyeman (Martha Jones) ~ Martha decides to stay at home after the master is killed
Series 4 - David Tennant (10th Doctor) & Catherine Tate (Donna Noble) ~ Donna becomes part human part timelord and has her memory wiped
Series 4 specials - David Tennant (10th Doctor) ~ 10th docs story ends and he regenerates
Series 5 - Matt Smith (11th Doctor) & Karen Gillan (Amy Pond) & Arthur Darvill (Rory Williams) ~ We're left knowing pretty much nothing, just lots of clues
Seires 6 - Matt Smith (11th Doctor) & Karen Gillan (Amy Pond) & Arthur Darvill (Rory Williams) ~ So far we now know who River is and that the Doctor is going to die.

Hope that helpsss ^^ :)

Ty, I just forget these things lol ;D

Will

[dbgtz]

i used to like it more when they had little adventures for each episode then one big finale at the end which didn't get properly involved in the series til the actual end :( But next weeks looks good

I don't really mind either way, I do like all the episodes to somewhat tie in together though.
I hope Moffat doesn't do another series though, I think he completely killed River not by what she was but by how her big reveal was shown and how bloody obvious it was. I really don't think she should have had the ability to regenerate and should have just been a relatively normal human being. If I had it my way, I would have preferred it never actually revealed fully and just hinted at slightly rather then a big fat "I'M UR DORTA". Moffat isn't one of subtly which can ruin moments. He's great for the odd episode but when he keeps a story going it generally ends up dissapointing to the majority. Though, that being said, I can imagine a lot of kids being shocked at river being her daughter and I guess he does need to cater to the younger audience as well and they wouldn't understand if a reveal of Rivers identity was subtle, and not in your face.

[Fez]

To be honest, Yes the shows been a bit confusing in Series 6 with the big River drive, Moff has said it'll go back to single based stories in Series 7.

Also, the shows starting to get a bit big in America now, They've really driven it over there, this year.

I doubt we'll get let off so easily with Series 7, now we have the 'Academy of the Question' seeds planted.

I'm glad America is catching on though.

[peteyt]

Now habbox is back what did people think of Night Terrors. It wasn't the best but it was quite good and a nice standalone episode. I can imagine a lot of kids being scared of the dolls

[Accipiter]

I thought Night Terrors was average, wasn't exceedingly good and it wasn't terrible either.

I found more pleasure from watching the confidential afterwards, that was a great episode of confidential and showed a lot of good things in the show!

I do feel that Matt Smith does a brilliant job of making the show fun to watch, if it was another doctor in that episode it just would have been quite boring with Matts energy!

[dbgtz]

I hated the most recent episode, I thought it was badly put together in how it all panned out and the ending was awful. I mean if that kid is scared of the lift, then why is the lift even there? And how did him saying "save me from the monsters" get to the doctor, and then there not actually being any evil alien of some kind just what appeared to be animated dolls (were those actually aliens or is it because it was the kids imagination). And then I was confused on the kid's situation and how he existed etc. There's many more things that annoyed me but I've forgotten it quite a lot now so... yeah. In my opinion, it's worse than victory of the daleks.

[peteyt]

I hated the most recent episode, I thought it was badly put together in how it all panned out and the ending was awful. I mean if that kid is scared of the lift, then why is the lift even there? And how did him saying "save me from the monsters" get to the doctor, and then there not actually being any evil alien of some kind just what appeared to be animated dolls (were those actually aliens or is it because it was the kids imagination). And then I was confused on the kid's situation and how he existed etc. There's many more things that annoyed me but I've forgotten it quite a lot now so... yeah. In my opinion, it's worse than victory of the daleks.


The kid is physic, or has some kind of physic ability. Thus he is able to somehow send a message without even realising to the physic paper, and his power is able to animate the things. I think what he fears happens, so fearing the dolls are alive they come alive. I don't fully know how he exists but it seems that the race are able to home in on peoples needs.

But there not being any evil, was actually good. It wasn't the best episode and could have been a little better, but it was different.

[Accipiter]

And the parents told him to put "all your fears into the cupboard"

so when rory / amy scared him / The Doctor scared him, he put them in the cupboard.

I think the casting for the child & parent was good, bit ****** on the wife not being there, but wifes are boring... ;]

[Lost_Addict]

The only bit i really liked for that episode was the very ending where the dolls sung about the dr's death, that actually souded eerie.

[Ardemax]

I too didn't think that it wasn't the best, but yeah, you're always gonna get the "dodgy" episodes.

For me, in the previous section of the series, the pirate one wasn't convincing for me.

I truly believe however, this series is going to have an epic finale :)

[Fez]

That was good.

[Stephen]

I thought it was crap

[Accipiter]

I felt it was weaker than the last episode, but I think its down to taste.

It'd have probably made a better read than a watch in my eyes, as the script was the only thing that complimented it for me.

[=Lizzy]

I thought it was rubbish in my opinion.

next weeks I don't think I'll watch maybe it's cause those angels scare me so much. childish I know but I just hate them

[Accipiter]

Next weeks might have something in it, but i'd think more of a novelty than a good effective story!

We finally see that bull alien put to proper use, I forgot the last time we saw it, Martha series with David Tennant, totally forgot which episode though, might have been the martha introduction, hospital on the moon thing. But it looked like a good monster :o

[Tom]

Next weeks might have something in it, but i'd think more of a novelty than a good effective story!

We finally see that bull alien put to proper use, I forgot the last time we saw it, Martha series with David Tennant, totally forgot which episode though, might have been the martha introduction, hospital on the moon thing. But it looked like a good monster :o

I thought it was the one with Peter Kay in right? With the absorbaloff...

[Accipiter]

Oh yeah it might have been!

Who was the companion at that time :S or was he a loner

[Stephen]

it was rose at that time wasnt it

[Chris]

Really enjoyed tonights ep, the ending was sad though.

[Circadia]

In this episode the doctor said he had never broke through a time window (i think) But i swear that's what happened in an episode a few years back when there was them clockwork men who had got different time windows of madam de pompadours life.
Anyway that episode was good but I think its one of the weaker episodes of this series

[Accipiter]

In this episode the doctor said he had never broke through a time window (i think) But i swear that's what happened in an episode a few years back when there was them clockwork men who had got different time windows of madam de pompadours life.
Anyway that episode was good but I think its one of the weaker episodes of this series

He didn't build them time windows, the clock work people did! So technically he just used them rather than created one