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05-01-2007, 10:08 PM
Baving

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Originally Posted by KaseR

I didn't say anything about the mod logs, but I know other people did.

I remember when they updated to 3.6, because I was a mod then right when the redid it all, never applied again.

I know that they wont care about a little infraction lol

I was reply to the thread as a whole including others replies.
05-01-2007, 10:15 PM
zak-x

A quick opinion i only think heavy swearing should be filterd because i doubt it anyone on this forum does not swer i know everyone does so do be fair whats the point of filtering it... YEH i know so they can't insult others so yeh you can argue broth both sides.
05-01-2007, 10:38 PM
Barkseh2131
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Originally Posted by Baving

I laughed at this thread.. If you have a problem contact an admin posting in this forum gets you no were.

1) I agree 'some' infractions are getting out of hand, especially the ones given out for saying the word 'stupid'. If it is used in the correct context it is a perfectly fine word. I feel it is better to use that word than some others people could easily use. I myself have some infractions, but most expire after a certain amount of time. I'm not really bothered about them.

2) To become a Super Moderator, it is isn't generally just done on Moderator Logs. When I was Forum Manager, I looked at every moderator currently working for HabboxForum and then consulted Sierk who also checked. I looked at the following: -

Moderator Logs
Activness
How helpful they are around the forum
Edits
Awarness of the rules
Trust

As you can see it is not just purley on the amount of logs a user has gathered. I don't really know how things run at the moment but I suspect it is pretty similar.

3) Sierk - Sierk is an alright guy. Once you get to know him for a long period of time and talk to him he is very caring and will assist you with anything. I don't think people realise how much work Sierk puts into Habbox behind the scenes. He comes on messenger every night and goes through the future plans and sorts out any staff problems within the site. You must realise that due to the size it is a very busy site to run. Ontop of that he is at university studying a degree so he has a very big work load.

4) Some of the forum rules may be a bit old dated, but order must still be retained on the forum as it is a public enviroment.

5) When DJ-3000 was around, infractions and other things didn't exist it was only when vBulletin 3.6 was introduced that this feature became avaliable. But I can assure you that every instance of rule breaking was logged in your user notes, just not to your awarness.

I have worked on the site for more than a year in a high posistion until I left to move on and give someone else ago. Being high at the top meant I saw basically the whole running of Habbox in each department. Its not easy work being a manager with all the behind the scenes stuff people have to work on.

I use to login to 40 unread PM's a night, after clearing them I had to sort out moderation problems, VIP stuff, site management problems. Then ontop of that talk on messenger about things Habbox related. It is not easy.

With people complaining about a silly little infraction, I suggest to personal message an administrator directly instead of making pointless threads like these which cause arguments and just cause no problems. If it is a moderator you have a problem with then contact the forum manager (---MAD---) and it will probably be sorted quicker.
Life story pls

Also, i was talking about now about the smods. not when you were manager.
05-01-2007, 10:59 PM
madmanmcclinton

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Originally Posted by Redmoon Evil

Notice how some like to rape the shift button? "Posting Private Messages Content"

u will probally get banned for sayin tht word yes the 1 beginning with R
05-01-2007, 11:04 PM
Barkseh2131

Sorry, i just read thru the whole of this thread and think it's shocking the staff are trating Owen after all the work he did for Habbox.
05-01-2007, 11:06 PM
A4AOwen

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Originally Posted by ---MAD---

Its funny you would say that, you started that rule and the moderator reports but I ended it. Moderator reports now tell you how to improve and how you are doing instead of saying "GET MORE MOD LOGS!!!". There is no set number of mod logs you need to get or you get fired.

Yes but the reason we dont want people to call each other stupid is it creates arguements between members which we try to control as much as possible.

You idiot, I didn't start Moderator logs, I hated them but wasn't allowed to stop them. Get your facts right.
05-01-2007, 11:08 PM
brandon

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Originally Posted by ---MAD---

Its funny you would say that, you started that rule and the moderator reports but I ended it. Moderator reports now tell you how to improve and how you are doing instead of saying "GET MORE MOD LOGS!!!". There is no set number of mod logs you need to get or you get fired.

Yes but the reason we dont want people to call each other stupid is it creates arguements between members which we try to control as much as possible.

No need to put it across so harshly. Mod reports with Owen were good and he encouraged us to keep our socks up.

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Originally Posted by zak-x

Lol owen got ownd, i think he just trying to become a mod..

AND YEHHHHH HABBOX FORUM IS RUBBISH LOOOL i just come on to laugh at the stupid people when im bored xD

Yeah the guy that quit his position then wants a mod job, or not?
You owned yourself mate.
05-01-2007, 11:08 PM
Barkseh2131

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Originally Posted by A4AOwen

You freaking idiot, I didn't start Moderator logs, I hated them but wasn't allowed to stop them. Get your facts right.

I can back you up on that actually.

MOD Logs were Sierks idea, That's why Eckuii got made Assistant Forum Manager to run them.
05-01-2007, 11:09 PM
A4AOwen

And I remember Baving telling me to write them when I was Assistant. So mad sthu and joahuar, you clearly have no idea what your talking about.
05-01-2007, 11:10 PM
Zac

habbox are getting way too many mods
05-01-2007, 11:13 PM
Samster

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Originally Posted by A4AOwen

You idiot, I didn't start Moderator logs, I hated them but wasn't allowed to stop them. Get your facts right.

You go Gary,you go:8

It was so much better when Baving and A4AOwen were there (Oh and barkseh lol) MAD Really is corrupt,further up this thread he wrote "Sierk can actually be nice (kinda)" And then 5 minutes later it was gone
05-01-2007, 11:13 PM
Baving

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Originally Posted by paulz♥

I can back you up on that actually.

MOD Logs were Sierks idea, That's why Eckuii got made Assistant Forum Manager to run them.

Sierk did actually hire Eckuii for this purpose
05-01-2007, 11:18 PM
Zac

I Saw *Removed* scam in an rs trade room

Edited by Dan (Super Moderator): Please do not accuse people of scamming, Thanks :]
05-01-2007, 11:19 PM
Barkseh2131

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Originally Posted by Zac

I Saw *Removed* scam in an rs trade room

no pic, no proof soz.
05-01-2007, 11:21 PM
Zac

I think i have proofeyz lemme lookie on pc
05-01-2007, 11:22 PM
Samster

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Originally Posted by Zac

I Saw *Removed* scam in an rs trade room

yeah,and you're perfectly innocent (sarcasm)
05-01-2007, 11:22 PM
Zac

Sam hushie brownie
05-01-2007, 11:33 PM
GommeInc

I agree to some extent. Most of the when I call someone stupid I was actually referring to their post or just posting the obvious, which isn't a rule. Stupid isn't offensive, neither is twit but I guess idiot maybe, but hardly something to cry about. I think Habbox Forum is trying to become over protected so they can see if they can become Official myself, it never used to be a mother and baby forum before?
05-01-2007, 11:35 PM
YoManGo!

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

I agree to some extent. Most of the when I call someone stupid I was actually referring to their post or just posting the obvious, which isn't a rule. Stupid isn't offensive, neither is twit but I guess idiot maybe, but hardly something to cry about. I think Habbox Forum is trying to become over protected so they can see if they can become Official myself, it never used to be a mother and baby forum before?

I wouldn't consider idiot to be offensive if used correctly.
Idiotic is a perfectly legitamate English word, if someone is being idiotic they are an idiot.
06-01-2007, 12:44 AM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by Spuddee_x

I wouldn't consider idiot to be offensive if used correctly.
Idiotic is a perfectly legitamate English word, if someone is being idiotic they are an idiot.

That's why I said "maybe," depends if the "baby in question" who is being "offended" decides to cry over it.

Some Forum Moderators/Super Mods whatever does them, should read through a thread before making an Infraction, they may learn why the fool is being called an idiot. Rather than blindly doing it because there happens to be a negative word.

If they wanted to get rid of negative comments, they should delete anything that can cause a debate now, while they still have the chance! That would leave us with about 5 forums.
06-01-2007, 05:34 AM
nvrspk4

Right, I'm not going to get involved with the arguments running within here as there's so much I can't reply to it all. The one thing I really agree with was Baving's long post. But here's my views.

Firstly scamming. The scamming issue is that it is incredibly incredibly incredibly easy to fake it. I could go out and explain this all, but the lovely Jin has already done it, so why not refer to this post: http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost....80&postcount=4

Secondly, about the rules. You guys complain that we treat you like two year olds. All things considered, you must admit that the majority of the forum is on that majority level. If we were a community of adults, the restrictions could be loosened and the interaction would also be more mature. However we aren't so they can't and its not. You all know that there are a lot of people on this forum who can't take an insult, get into petty arguments, and are at others' throats. Additionally some people are just plain immature, rude, or argumentative. These rules are necessary because of the target audience, around 13-18 probably, though there are people older and younger. Basically, if the maturity level of the forum were to rise, maybe its possible, but I don't see that happening too soon.

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Originally Posted by KaseR

For people that didnt know, DJ3000 was an administrator, he was with the habbox forum for many years. A very good administrator, and he was banned for swearing once. Sierk temp banned him but after a week he permanetly banned him. I have information from a mod saying that that happened because he didn't believe in some of the ways that sierk dealt with things so he banned him.

Can you please explain to me how a mod would be able to tell you the reason for a ban when they can't view them? Because there are other reasons which I can't disclose, so your mod source was evidently wrong ;)
06-01-2007, 09:03 AM
e5

But most of the time when someone says someone scams is actually true like I said an ex mod scammed me which he did (no names mentioned) and coz he got such a good rep on here none of you beleived me and ba repped me, sad really
06-01-2007, 11:08 AM
8Freak8

You're very naive to think Sierk is to blame for this.
06-01-2007, 11:10 AM
DannyyTBH.

I agree with above ^^
06-01-2007, 01:04 PM
348GTS

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Originally Posted by nvrspk4

Right, I'm not going to get involved with the arguments running within here as there's so much I can't reply to it all. The one thing I really agree with was Baving's long post. But here's my views.

Firstly scamming. The scamming issue is that it is incredibly incredibly incredibly easy to fake it. I could go out and explain this all, but the lovely Jin has already done it, so why not refer to this post: http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost....80&postcount=4

Secondly, about the rules. You guys complain that we treat you like two year olds. All things considered, you must admit that the majority of the forum is on that majority level. If we were a community of adults, the restrictions could be loosened and the interaction would also be more mature. However we aren't so they can't and its not. You all know that there are a lot of people on this forum who can't take an insult, get into petty arguments, and are at others' throats. Additionally some people are just plain immature, rude, or argumentative. These rules are necessary because of the target audience, around 13-18 probably, though there are people older and younger. Basically, if the maturity level of the forum were to rise, maybe its possible, but I don't see that happening too soon.

Can you please explain to me how a mod would be able to tell you the reason for a ban when they can't view them? Because there are other reasons which I can't disclose, so your mod source was evidently wrong ;)

He was a mod, and he had friends higher up, hes quit this forum now and I talk to him on MSN. I believe him more than I believe you, sorry.

edit' then Freak, who the hell do I blame? He fired DJ, who was the best administrator on this forum, now its goin downhill and you know it
06-01-2007, 01:15 PM
Uwe

Sierk acctually does NOTHING ont he forum or the site, PM him with a question his answer is "Ask 8freak8"
we also have a crap forum manager. uhmm ya.
06-01-2007, 01:18 PM
Adzeh

Well to be honest, your opinion is your own and you are welcome to think what you like.

However I must point out that when Dave was around, the infraction scheme had not even been invented for VB forums, and there was less than 3000 members on HabboxForum, therefore there would have been no need for lots of moderators. Since we now have over 20, 000 members, we need lots more moderators to ensure that the forum is kept clean.

Of course there will always be a problem with corruption from some moderators, but the new scheme that is being implemented to hire more super mods and less normal mods, should sort that out to a degree where the problem is neglegable.

I might also point out that if you are so against sierk and HabboxForum's regime and rules, why invest money into the site by buying vip? :s.
06-01-2007, 02:04 PM
Neversoft

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Originally Posted by KaseR

Seriously. The forum used to be good. Like a year ago. There wasnt 20000 mods all over the forum, having an org'asm whenever you say "stupid" or tell someone to shut up. You act like we're all 8 year olds. I mean come on! I bet you like 90% of this forum is over 13. You get called stupid when you're like 6? WOW! Its pathetic.

Ever since DJ left these forums, thanks to you, it sucks. It completely blows. Everyone needs to follow stupid little rules. For example, I said that I would rep you back, because I'm trying to be nice. Oh no, that might teach some little 6 year old something stupid, so lets give out an infraction for that. I mean come on? Its a friggin online forum. You don't go out and give infractions to someone for called someone stupid. DJ3000 wasn't that stupid, and he didn't give out pointless infractions, but obviously, your word goes, as shown by DJ. Banned for avoiding the filter? Pssh, Jrh2002 was better than you, and trust me, thats an insult.

ps: Ill bet anyone my habbo account that ill get like -200 rep from all of the stupid sierk lovers and I'll be banned, LOL.

It is not the staffs fault entirely. I must admit that some of the staff are abit ott... and do need to be sacked. But what happens? The users decide that they do not like a certain member, then they start complaining and moaning etc... Just like you're doing now. Then it happens all over and over again with other people on this forum. Without these arguements it would be better, don't you think? It is the majority of users that ruin this forum. Although some of the staff do ruin it aswell, but not as much as the users. You do know that without moderators there wouldn't be a forum. Yes, it was better like a year ago, but thats because half of the good users have left and been replaced with others. Guess what? We don't all have the same personality. It can't stay the same forever. There were less users on the forum a year ago anyway. Less users = less arguements. I know my post probably made no sense at all but this thread is stupid.
06-01-2007, 02:05 PM
348GTS

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Originally Posted by Neversoft

You're an idiot.
It is not the staffs fault at all. I must admit that some of the mods are about ott, but they try their best. Then what happens? They end up getting hated by 50% of the forum, then the 'haters' start complaining and moaning etc... It is the majority of users that ruin this forum. Not the staff. Without staff there wouldn't be a forum.

How is it the forum users fault that we get such stupid infractions?
06-01-2007, 02:07 PM
---MAD---

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Originally Posted by Ant

Sierk acctually does NOTHING ont he forum or the site, PM him with a question his answer is "Ask 8freak8"
we also have a crap forum manager. uhmm ya.

Thanks, however can I ask why?
06-01-2007, 02:08 PM
joshuar

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Originally Posted by Adzeh

However I must point out that when Dave was around, the infraction scheme had not even been invented for VB forums, and there was less than 3000 members on HabboxForum, therefore there would have been no need for lots of moderators. Since we now have over 20, 000 members, we need lots more moderators to ensure that the forum is kept clean.

I worked for Dave as a Forum Moderator and my member ID is over 3000.

You can't really compare DJ-3000's managing to now as it has completley changed since his day. Also DJ-3000 resigned by himself, he wasn't fired by Site Management, so you can't blame sierk for that.
06-01-2007, 02:09 PM
Pixel

I don't really enjoy this forum much more, compared to previous years.. That's why I hardly post
Also i kinda agree that the rules seem really strict now, you can't get away with anything no matter how small the offense is

Like neversoft, you will probably get an infraction for calling him an idiot lol.. it's stupid, it never used to be so strict
06-01-2007, 02:11 PM
Wizzdom

Why is this all being put on Sierk? :s

Sorry if this been said but im not reading through 8 pages :)
06-01-2007, 02:12 PM
Herman

Tbh if you don't like the forum then you should leave? I'm sure there are alot of other forums out there where there are no filters or infractions.

I do agree that certain mods are giving out harsh infractions over silly things like calling someone stupid, etc. I have an infraction and I believe it's unfair, I've tried to appeal but they said it was fair.

But at the end of the day it's just an infraction, live with it I suppose. The worst you can get is being banned. Then go out and play or something instead of just sitting there all day.

Edit: And yeah, I don't think Sierk is to blame.
06-01-2007, 02:13 PM
F32

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Originally Posted by Pixel

Like neversoft, you will probably get an infraction for calling him an idiot lol.. it's stupid, it never used to be so strict

You'll get an infraction for calling "it" stupid.
06-01-2007, 02:14 PM
Middlesbrough

Actually i believe mad is a good forum manager true sierk only owns the website he dosent do anything (not meaning to offend him) but dj3000 has obviously been warned for swearing before sure dave was nice but when it comes down to breaking the forum rules he will be banned any of us will be,
We need more forum mods because the community is growing in our forum ,
calling someone stupid wont get you an infraction anyway, how old are you? please act your age
06-01-2007, 02:15 PM
jackass

I agree, partially. You get infractions for telling someone to shut up, even though its not rude typicaly? And once you get infractions, you can't get to become a Mod or whatever, once you get even MORE infractions, you get banned. And so on and so forth. :rolleyes:
06-01-2007, 02:15 PM
---MAD---

I would just like to say that we are looking into how we can sort out the "offending users" thing.
06-01-2007, 02:17 PM
Neversoft

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Originally Posted by KaseR

How is it the forum users fault that we get such stupid infractions?

I edited the post to make more sense. Please read it again as I did not once mention the word 'infraction'. :rolleyes:
If the infraction is unfair you can just simply ask for it to be reversed anyway. All of my unfair ones have been reversed. Simple. As MAD said, they're 'looking into how they can sort out the "offending users" thing' The management are always changeing rules and other stuff to make it better for us and all they get in return is people like you complaining.
06-01-2007, 02:26 PM
Mentor

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Originally Posted by Milto:

KaseR this forum isnt just for 16 yr old the rules state you must be over 13 or something to join so if you dont liek it leave? :S and sierk is very ncie when he wants to be (Kinda)

he said over 13, not 16.

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Originally Posted by A4AOwen

If you don't like it leave.

If your only going to say somthing stupid? why bother saying it. The absoulte stupidty of this statment has been pointed out time and time again.

If they wanted to leave, they would. But they dont want to, they like the forum. hence they create these threads to try and IMPROVE the forum and FIX the problems.

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The main reason in my opion that they are unfair is because they are all competing for Moderator Logs because if you don't get a certain anmount you are fired so maybe there should be no Moderator Reports just a check every 2 weeks to see if they are doing ok.

If that is the case, it does exsplain the problem as those rules are encorageing Bad moding. Good mods would control there forums, and not have to give many infractions, since people behave. If you need to give so many, youd have to be a very bad mod, fail to do the job a mod is supposed to, and give out complty unfair infractions when no problems existed "/

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

I agree to some extent. Most of the when I call someone stupid I was actually referring to their post or just posting the obvious, which isn't a rule. Stupid isn't offensive, neither is twit but I guess idiot maybe, but hardly something to cry about. I think Habbox Forum is trying to become over protected so they can see if they can become Official myself, it never used to be a mother and baby forum before?

Habbox arnt going to becomeing offical again, under the management they are now.

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Originally Posted by Wizzdom

Why is this all being put on Sierk? :s

Sorry if this been said but im not reading through 8 pages :)

Well he does own the site? The guy at the top is responcable for all those below them, that is what the job at the top is. Thats like saying you cant blame blair for the war in iraq. No he didnt go out there and start shooting himself, He didnt come up with the evdiance used to go to war, but hes the guy at the top and hence responcable for all decisions made under him "/

Same with sirek. he may not have banned someone himself, but hes the one that hired who ever banned the person, or maybe even hireing the person that hired them. He is at the top, hence responcable. Many keep going on about all the work he does behind the scenes, problems he fixes etc. Managieng the site and being responcablke for it IS that job.

Plus whys everyone so up on DJ300?

jrh2002 got banned, he founded the forum
mizki got banned. She founded the website

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