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Before I start, I know some people will hate this idea - as it will mean they can't cause arguements on the forum,
However I think if a user has had there account Permanently Banned they should not be able to register for two weeks within this time. As you could ban me right this second, then I could sign up and do the same thing, over, and over, and over again.
Just a thought.
Thoughts?
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I like that idea :)
I agree. Its the same as Habbo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demala
For example, a person comes into a room, floods their phisher, gets permed, makes another account then does the exact same thing.
Maybe habbox should adopt IP bans, like Habbo, if they dont already have them
Yeh. Even if they don't do that, it would normally be obvious if a user who has been perm banned is using a different account :D And if the user who has been banned, is secretly using a different account, if they are not causing any trouble, whos to care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Special
Atleast it might try and stop people causing too much trouble.
I think that IP Bans are too risky as you could end up banning more than one person (not sure about that but I remember hearing it ages ago). But the idea isn't a bad one although most people that are stupid enough to get banned in the first place probably have another account or can probably get around it somehow. Also, isn't this the point of having to approve the first 15 posts (not sure if it's gone down)? To stop spammers and offensive people from posting?
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Originally Posted by CHA!NGANG
It's 5 now.
And I could post 5 sensible posts in about 1 and a half minutes :P
On the MOD panel they can check IP's though, so if they just search an IP they could check about that :)
Ohright 5. Yeah that's not that much then. IP bans are tricky though as what if you have a brother and a sister that use Habbox. The brother gets banned but the sister does nothing and she ends up being punished. (I have no real clue about IP's, only the basics so if that isn't a problem then my bad). Stopping people from registering for a few weeks is a good idea but it won't stop everyone obviously, only the 40% or so that don't know how to get around it, but the people that do or have other accounts at the moment won't really notice it. It's worth trying for a bit though I guess to see what happens, that's if it is actually possible to do in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demala
In a sense, if you are that much of trouble causer you would find yourself on the Autoban list very quickly. It may be worth it but depends on the user.
We have an autoban list? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Yoshimitsui
I think if you have done enough to be banned, then a few weeks PROPER ban that disables there access is fair.
I mean I am known to get infractions, but I have NEVER been even temporarily banned. So if you are that much of an idiot to get banned, that's your problem :)
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Originally Posted by CHA!NGANG
The brother and sister thing is unlikely I think. However you could scan IP address's in the MOD/Super MOD panel to see what accounts are made under that IP.
If they already have an account if there IP was on auto ban, then as soon as they log on, even with there already made account, it should ban them :)
I don't like this idea, unfortunately. I feel it is far too harsh and discourages members to return. A permanent ban is more than enough punishment - people lose their favoured account after all. If you do this two week thing it will encourage members to rebel and will ultimately deter people from rejoining. If members come back after a permanent ban and continue to cause trouble, they will find themselves banned soon enough anyway. If they continue to cause trouble after that they will simply be put on the autoban list. There are policies in place which prevent this from happening and I feel our current banning system is just fun (after a few tweaks I intend to implement soon).
He basically said what I was going to post to be honest. If the user wants to play smart and still break rules while his other account is permed banned over and over again. Then I'm sure they will be added to either the temporary or permanent auto banned list. So the idea of this wouldn't really be that good and I'm not a big fan of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshimitsui
You have to clear your cookies etc when u get banned anyways to get back to the login pagee and a user doesnt always no how to do thatttt
I too am not a fan of this idea as suggested by Garion. We need to enforce rules to ensure that our users know when they have over stepped the line but still try and make the forum usable. When we do have a problematic user we will just place them on the autoban, it becomes very tiresome for a user to constantly register accounts especially if they are being banned regardless of any rule breaking or not.
Tell you what. If some of the idiots get discouraged from re-joining thats great news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garion
Infact I just wish it would happen with some ex-banned users ;)
Many problematic users I know of are always let back. It's like everywhere else now. 'HumanHabbo User Rights'
I am fine if you do not think this is a good idea and Garion it will be nice to see what yours tweaks are :)
IP bans
Some problematic users are indeed let back as we feel everyone deserves a second, third, fourth etc chance. However if there only real intention in joining IS to cause trouble they won't be around for long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demala
IP Bans are difficult to implement and rarely needed so we don't use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibs960
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Originally Posted by Garion
No offence, but I think 6 infraction points (or 7?) is a chance.
Never mind being allowed to come back twice :P
Are there IP bans? Yes.
Do we use them? Yup.
Do we use them sparingly? Absolutely, an IP ban should mean you really screwed up.
As far as this idea, I do sort of like it, however definitely not with the two week idea. I think a 24hr-48hr cooling-off period would be beneficial for all involved - often pissed off recently banned members shoot their mouths off and get themselves in more trouble. 24-48 hours is not a ridiculous amount of time to wait, and we can allow them to browse on a new account just not post for that time. It lets them mull it over and calm down a little, if they're still festering 48 hours then we'll tackle it then. Also it gives time for their appeal to be reviewed.
But just my opinion not necessarily that of management :eusa_danc
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Originally Posted by nvrspk4
Now that is a good idea :)
I think every member on this forum, bar one, could provide a name of one person that does exactly what you have just said :P
I'd love to know the one person you're basing this whole thread around, because its all you seem to mention. Also what did he say? All i saw was really screwed up? and unless you know the person you hardly know what the ban reason for them is so you can really judge by that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demala
Never gonna happen. It was tried two-three years ago and they just used to make accounts non stop and it used to cause more trouble as there used to be hate threads and everything.
IP bans arent effective either as changing your IP is pretty easy.
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Originally Posted by Graham,
It's not you don't worry.
And the 'whole' thread is not based around him. But his case has come up a lot recently.
And I thionk every member on the forum knows the ban reason, due to him shouting about it all the time x
Do you count a ban as a chance? So 10 infractions or whatever it is, is still only their first chance? :S How many of these chances are you willing to give before a member is put on the auto-ban list? It's far to lenient in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garion
I can't understand why you would want problematic members to return anyway, it's not like Habbox struggles to gain frequent members and they just create a lot of stress for both regular members and the members of staff who have to constantly deal with them.
I like the idea. However if the management don't like it, what if it was applied after the second ban? Then you can't argue that they didn't get a second chance.
Hit the thread on the head there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio
As far as I see problematic users, actually CAUSE more users to get banned etc. I mean I know sometimes telling someone to 'go away' on this forum does nothing. You end up saying 'GO AWAY YOU ******* ***** I DON'T LIKE YOU' and you get infracted?
It would mak moderators jobs EASIER if we just got rid of people after the second ban. (For two weeks!). And as I said earlier, how many chances should someone get?
A caution, temp and even permanent ban can be considered a chance yes. Whether users are put on the autoban list is done at the discretion of Forum Management. For example, there are some members who I know have been banned countless times but their intention is never really to cause trouble or annoy members. Only where people break rules repeatedly and intentionally for the sole reason of annoying people will we consider putting them on the autoban list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio
Maximum of three chances depending on what they are doing and what rules they have broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demala
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Originally Posted by MattGarner
Some users on this forum have had much more than 3 ;)
I know and I have very good idea of who you are talking about as well. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Demala
No way! xDQuote:
Originally Posted by MattGarner
I still wanted a mention >:{
Well I can't help but think of a particular member that springs to mind who is currently on their third account that I know of. If they continued their old ways and got the third account banned, would they become a possible contender for auto-ban?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garion
What's your answer to that then?Quote:
Originally Posted by MattGarner
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Originally Posted by Sergio
Sir. You and I are on the exact same wave length LOL
IP bans are used a lot on forums now, because some people cause arguements, but I think IP bans should be used more often.
Glad to know it! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Demala
I don't think they are very effective for reasons stated previously in the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibs960
if its three chances im on my last lol
Ip bans are alright but means you can't go on again so, but they should be used
IP bans are nothing, most people do not have a static ip, so everytime they connect to the internet they get assigned a new one, myself included, and even if they have a static IP they can just use one a million of proxys you can get through a google search.
On hffm I got perm IP banned for multiple arguments :P pretty annoyin but yeah!
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