Dress as a Muslim for mosque trip - or you will be branded a truant

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A Catholic schoolgirl has been branded a 'truant' by her teachers after she refused to dress as a Muslim for a school field trip to a mosque.

Staff had ordered 14-year-old Amy Owen and her classmates to dress in headscarf, wear trousers or leggings and keep her arms covered for the compulsory visit to the mosque after it was arranged to promote 'community cohesion.'

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Wow. I wonder what would happen if it was the other way round? As somebody commented...

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It's true, I'd love to hear how the parents of Muslim girls would react if they were told they had to dress as Catholic School Girls in order to visit a Christian Church

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No doubt they'd be allowed to go in Islamic clothing... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Hitman

Wow. I wonder what would happen if it was the other way round? As somebody commented...



No doubt they'd be allowed to go in Islamic clothing... :rolleyes:

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I think you will find that it is common for catholic girls/ladies to wear headscarves to church.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

I think you will find that it is common for catholic girls/ladies to wear headscarves to church.

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Phew, I was expecting a huge rant! :P And you never replied to my visitor message :'(

I'm not (very) religious so I don't know what they all wear exactly, but I was thinking of a burka or those huge black sheets their wear... still, nobody should be forced or have to go and visit any other religious buildings, especially when that person is religious themselves. I don't think they do visits to Christian churches much anymore anyway, I never went to one and my brothers haven't... mind you we didn't go to mosques either because where I lived there were none. There'll probably be one there in 10 - 15 years though... maybe a few.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

I think you will find that it is common for catholic girls/ladies to wear headscarves to church.

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Regardless, what he's trying to say is that if this was a complete role reversal where Muslims had to dress alternatively. I'm sure it'd be all over the headlines... Gotta love the political correctness of this country, they say racism is bad yet they create groups & organisations for ethnic minorities. equality much, you cant join ours you gottah ave your own lol

The mum is kicking up a fuss over nothing. They're asking her to dress appropriately for a mosque, lots of places have mandatory dress codes, almost all religious buildings expect you to dress modestly.

Its their religion and if she wants to visit a mosque, she should respect that and wear appropriate clothing.

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Originally Posted by ifuseekamy

The mum is kicking up a fuss over nothing. They're asking her to dress appropriately for a mosque, lots of places have mandatory dress codes, almost all religious buildings expect you to dress modestly.

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The other point, though, is that the trip was compulsory - she shouldn't have to go. :S I remember some Jehovah Witnesses not having to do hymes in assembly time in primary school, they could leave. Same happened in some RE lessons.

We gotta follow there ****** religious ways but they dont have to follow ours. Like some other religions find the jesus christ necklace offensive -.- ****

Errr, right... that was pointless. To enter a Mosque and have to wear the full attire only makes sense if the mosque also allows just "anyone" to enter. I'm sure it's contradictory to have a Catholic girl go to a mosque and pretend to be a Muslim. Infact, it could be considered an insult for both religions by whoever thought it up in the first place.

It's fascinating they even do trips to a Mosque :/ And how can this girl be called a truant for going on a school trip? A school trip kinda abolishes any angle you can be called a truant, the two cannot go together :P

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

I think you will find that it is common for catholic girls/ladies to wear headscarves to church.

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Depends on the event. They don't tend to care though, provided it's smart clothes rather than casual. At baptisms (or christenings, I forget :P) you can just wear a suit as a man, and a nice dress as a woman. Headscarfs are not compulsary, but I'd imagine Catholics won't be happy with full headscarfs or hijabs and burkhas, as you are entering a "sacred" place.

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Originally Posted by Richie

Its their religion and if she wants to visit a mosque, she should respect that and wear appropriate clothing.

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This. ^^

I'm sure the majority of Muslims would wear appropriate clothing (if there were rules) to Catholic churches. It's only the extreme minority who kick a fuss over staff wearing crucifixes, England flags being waved from windows etc and the media pounce on that when the majority of them couldn't really give a toss tbh.

There are two ways to look at this;
A) you can't force somebody to carry out the traditions of a different religion, or;
B) the head scarves etc aren't actually religious requirements.

So basically the Muslims are shooting themselves in the foot.

They are merely asking her to respect their views whilst she is in the mosque, for instance when you visit a synagogue men must cover their heads with the skullcap.

If you are going to visit a religious place of worship you should cover yourself up, they aren't asking her to "pretend to be a muslim" or "dress as a muslim", just to cover up to respect their views.

As far as I am aware Islam requires a certain dress code when attending Mosques but this is not the case for Catholic so it's kind of a moot point to say it wouldn't happen the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Garion

As far as I am aware Islam requires a certain dress code when attending Mosques but this is not the case for Catholic so it's kind of a moot point to say it wouldn't happen the other way around.

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Yeah but if it was a Catholic requirement, they would make an issue about it.

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Originally Posted by Black_Apalachi

Yeah but if it was a Catholic requirement, they would make an issue about it.

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How can you possibly make that assumption when it hasn't happened?

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Originally Posted by Garion

How can you possibly make that assumption when it hasn't happened?

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Well it's the same as how we let them dress how they like in this country but if we go to their's, our women will be forced to cover themselves by law.

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Originally Posted by Black_Apalachi

Well it's the same as how we let them dress how they like in this country but if we go to their's, our women will be forced to cover themselves by law.

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That's what makes us better than them.

As I said, they are only asking for people to respect their views and cover up a bit, wear a long sleeved top, trousers. Not asking them to wear a bloody burqa.

If you go to a Church on a school trip i'm pretty sure a teacher would tell you off for wearing a satanic symbol.

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Originally Posted by Oli

As I said, they are only asking for people to respect their views and cover up a bit, wear a long sleeved top, trousers. Not asking them to wear a bloody burqa.

If you go to a Church on a school trip i'm pretty sure a teacher would tell you off for wearing a satanic symbol.

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Normal/school clothes compared to a satanic symbol... yeah sounds about the same. :rolleyes:

Nobody should be made to go to somewhere they don't want to.

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Originally Posted by Hitman

Normal/school clothes compared to a satanic symbol... yeah sounds about the same. :rolleyes:

Nobody should be made to go to somewhere they don't want to.

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A lot of children don't want to go to school, you sayin we should let them have the choice??

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Originally Posted by Oli

A lot of children don't want to go to school, you sayin we should let them have the choice??

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No, I am not saying that exactly. But children to have a choice. If they really don't want to go to school they can be home schooled.

it's just a pathetic mother. ive never heard of a compulsory field trip.

afaik, theres a thing called a permission slip, whyd she give that in?

Wow a typical example of how Britain works today, lets put it in a simple order of whos treated above others.
(a general statement of political correctness in modern Britain)

Muslims, gays and other minority groups first and foremost always.
Our European 'friends' who so love us are put second.
Scottish, Irish and Welsh put third.
English last.. and we pay for ourselves to be treated like this!

I dont know the ideals of the case but I couldnt see it working like this the other way around, if they visited a church with a muslim on the trip, I wonder if a muslim woman would remove her veil out of respect for the church? - somehow I dont think so. To add to my list, yes I am referring to political correctness which has stemmed mainly from Harriett Harpersons legislation which puts minorities first always - even though most of the time minorities are sick of being treated in that way.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Wow a typical example of how Britain works today, lets put it in a simple order of whos treated above others.
(a general statement of political correctness in modern Britain)

Muslims, gays and other minority groups first and foremost always.
Our European 'friends' who so love us are put second.
Scottish, Irish and Welsh put third.
English last.. and we pay for ourselves to be treated like this!

I dont know the ideals of the case but I couldnt see it working like this the other way around, if they visited a church with a muslim on the trip, I wonder if a muslim woman would remove her veil out of respect for the church? - somehow I dont think so.

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Probably would if wearing it would offend the people within the church, but it wouldn't offend them so a bit of a null point really...

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Originally Posted by Oli

Probably would if wearing it would offend the people within the church, but it wouldn't offend them so a bit of a null point really...

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How do you know it wouldn't offend people? Are you just assuming that we're very laid back and will let people trample over us without speaking out, as we have done? It has come to a point where people don't even openly talk about their dislike of mass immigration for fear of being called a racist, when it's not racist at all.

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Originally Posted by Hitman

Nobody should be made to go to somewhere they don't want to.

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That is why a permission slip exists. It is required even at college for Biology coursework field trip - without which you have a slim chance of getting a good grade.

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Originally Posted by Hitman

How do you know it wouldn't offend people? Are you just assuming that we're very laid back and will let people trample over us without speaking out, as we have done? It has come to a point where people don't even openly talk about their dislike of mass immigration for fear of being called a racist, when it's not racist at all.

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I know it wouldn't offend people in a church because I study Religious Studies and know quite a lot about the Roman Catholic and Anglican churches.

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Originally Posted by Oli

As I said, they are only asking for people to respect their views and cover up a bit, wear a long sleeved top, trousers. Not asking them to wear a bloody burqa.

If you go to a Church on a school trip i'm pretty sure a teacher would tell you off for wearing a satanic symbol.

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Nobody would claim that a satanic symbol was a requirement of their religion though, so that's a null point itself.

I've thought of a more valid example; in a Roman Catholic church you are expected to genuflect whenever you pass the tabernacle as a sign of respect. I wonder how people of other religions would react to being forced to acknowledge a different deity in this way.

if she doesn't want to wear it thus conforming to a culture she might not wish to conform to, she shouldn't have to.

Having said that if it's a requirement to visit where she's going then she shouldn't be forced to go, and the field trip shouldn't be compulsory.

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Originally Posted by Oli

I know it wouldn't offend people in a church because I study Religious Studies and know quite a lot about the Roman Catholic and Anglican churches.

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Just because you study that you do not know how the people would feel. I'm not very religious, although I believe in God and Jesus and if I saw a woman in a burka or niqab in a Church I would be annoyed and find it disrespectful. I'm sure regular Church goers wouldn't like it at all.

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Originally Posted by Hitman

Just because you study that you do not know how the people would feel. I'm not very religious, although I believe in God and Jesus and if I saw a woman in a burka or niqab in a Church I would be annoyed and find it disrespectful. I'm sure regular Church goers wouldn't like it at all.

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So you have answered your own question. It works both ways.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

So you have answered your own question. It works both ways.

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I'm just guessing that churchgoers wouldn't like it, not saying it for fact... whereas Oli said he KNOWS it wouldn't offend people... you can guess how people would feel but not full out know.

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Originally Posted by Hitman

I'm just guessing that churchgoers wouldn't like it, not saying it for fact... whereas Oli said he KNOWS it wouldn't offend people... you can guess how people would feel but not full out know.

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Well I think the answer is in some religions there is more tradition than others. Because Western Religions don't have so many traditions it doesn't follow that we should disrepect theirs. If we did I am sure they would and quite honestly this is a Daily Fail story that I am sure the woman got paid for handsomely. A big fuss over nothing. Mothers will be stopping their children wearing tea towels on their heads for Christmas nativity plays soon. :P

She's defiantly not a truant - it SHOULD be her choice if she wants to go to a Mosque or not, but unfortunately it's not.
She might not have wanted to go to a Mosque anyway, that school is foolish for making a Mosque visit compulsory.
I can see why the Muslims want her to wear a headscarf and that though, i go to church every now and then and i would be offended if a Muslim walked into a church with a Burqa on.
It's about respecting where you are, however i don't think visiting religious buildings of other faiths should be compulsory - i would refuse to go to a Mosque aswell.
And before somebody asks me questions with the crucifix sign on your body with your hands thing, im Protestant not Catholic so i don't know about that.

Well it's slightly different because it was in Italy but when my mum and dad went to the Sistine Chapel (which is a Christian place of Worship) they had to cover their arms and legs to get inside..