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[xxMATTGxx]

And have they?

Yes.

Yes yes, that's what I'm saying. Assistant General Managers are typically "second in command" (for lack of a better phrase), so why they have to request things is beyond me.

If an AGM wants a notice, they need to see Forum Manager.
If an AGM wants to give someone rep, award or VIP, they need to see a features manager.
If David wanted to add an event to the panel, apparently he'd need to speak to Martin.

There are far too many chains of communication and I just find it silly how AGMs are constantly having to go speak to people when things would be much quicker if they just DID IT. As I've said countless times, Habbox is trying too hard to be organised and professional like a business. There are logs in place such as rep quota / VIP log to take note of what is going on, so the argument about being "easier to monitor" doesn't work.

Here's an example: when MG was sorting our features requests, I would spend so long making sure my request included all the necessary details (bold in the correct places as the code is messed up... name.. colour.. months.. how many before.. etc). I've just checked, and between me posting the request and MG posting done, it was 2 minutes. If this is the case for AGMs who will be requesting lots of prizes, then I fear for how their time is being spent.

Not everyone followed the same practice as other managers when requesting their features. Some did it the long way, some did it the short way.

The reason why AGMs have to go through other people as it stops people going on about "equal" and it also stops any confusion. I'm sure Sct wouldn't like to come on and see a bunch of new notices he has no idea why he wasn't told if one of the AGM's decided to just add them. It also makes it fair as any other department manager has to do the same thing.

It's very rare David/Dan has to do such requests but even if they do at any time; they follow the same route as Martin.

[scott]

Yes yes, that's what I'm saying. Assistant General Managers are typically "second in command" (for lack of a better phrase), so why they have to request things is beyond me.

If an AGM wants a notice, they need to see Forum Manager.
If an AGM wants to give someone rep, award or VIP, they need to see a features manager.
If David wanted to add an event to the panel, apparently he'd need to speak to Martin.

There are far too many chains of communication and I just find it silly how AGMs are constantly having to go speak to people when things would be much quicker if they just DID IT. As I've said countless times, Habbox is trying too hard to be organised and professional like a business. There are logs in place such as rep quota / VIP log to take note of what is going on, so the argument about being "easier to monitor" doesn't work.

Here's an example: when MG was sorting our features requests, I would spend so long making sure my request included all the necessary details (bold in the correct places as the code is messed up... name.. colour.. months.. how many before.. etc). I've just checked, and between me posting the request and MG posting done, it was 2 minutes. If this is the case for AGMs who will be requesting lots of prizes, then I fear for how their time is being spent.

Well Martin asks me to do notices and I do them, I'd rather be asked to do it as I know what's happening on the forum and what isn't. I had to remove 2 of the notices I was going to use just so I could put his lottery one on for him even though I said no in the first instance as the other 2 were more important at the time (considering the lottery had all month to run) so I missed out on using the notices to advertise 2 competitions just to do that. If he was able to add them on himself then I'd fear there would be a lot and it would just become a pain in the arse. In my usertitle it says 'Forum Manager' and if I don't get to manage the forum notices then I may as well give all my jobs out to him or David as well then.

His job it to sort out the community side of Habbox which means events and competitions and stuff to do with HabboxLive not adding VIP/reputation onto winners.

[Mr-Trainor]

In my usertitle it says 'Forum Manager' and if I don't get to manage the forum notices then I may as well give all my jobs out to him or David as well then.

Then you could say the job of a Forum Moderator is to Moderate the Forum, yet they also post Competitions which is the job of the Competitions Staff.

[Inseriousity.]

Yes.

It's very rare David/Dan has to do such requests but even if they do at any time; they follow the same route as Martin.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...etition+notice

It is natural to expect people who can do these things themselves to cut corners like seen in the thread above. They are human after all!

[Mathew]

Not everyone followed the same practice as other managers when requesting their features. Some did it the long way, some did it the short way.

Now you tell me..

The reason why AGMs have to go through other people as it stops people going on about "equal" and it also stops any confusion. I'm sure Sct wouldn't like to come on and see a bunch of new notices he has no idea why he wasn't told if one of the AGM's decided to just add them. It also makes it fair as any other department manager has to do the same thing.

AGMs are relying on Department Managers to make things work for them, which shouldn't be the case. They should be able to take charge because, as the name suggests, they are general and were promoted for their ability to organise. Martin's current position means he's expected to work like a machine and churn out ideas to bring new members to Habbox (just like Dilusionate's job !) yet it is being hindered by the large chain of people.

It's very rare David/Dan has to do such requests but even if they do at any time; they follow the same route as Martin.

Habbox Petition.

If he was able to add them on himself then I'd fear there would be a lot and it would just become a pain in the arse. In my usertitle it says 'Forum Manager' and if I don't get to manage the forum notices then I may as well give all my jobs out to him or David as well then.

lol, I don't really think it's fair to suggest Martin is clueless about adding notices.. he was the AFM for a period of time so it's not like he's going to add them left, right and centre; is it? Where's the communication in that too?

Whilst I do respect your position Scott, they are Assistant General Managers and therefore responsible for organising things too.

His job it to sort out the community side of Habbox which means events and competitions and stuff to do with HabboxLive not adding VIP/reputation onto winners.

As I said above: his job is very similar to that of Department Managers. Yet again, they are Assistant General Managers so why are they being restricted? Logs are in place to see who has done what..!

[xxMATTGxx]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...etition+notice

It is natural to expect people who can do these things themselves to cut corners like seen in the thread above. They are human after all!

I wasn't GM then and all AGM's are aware of what they need to do if they want a notice added onto the forum. They go and talk to Sct about the matter.

[scott]

Then you could say the job of a Forum Moderator is to Moderate the Forum, yet they also post Competitions which is the job of the Competitions Staff.

It's also part of my job to help promote the forum and have forum events/competitions. If the competitions department want to get involved and post specific forum competitions then the management can contact me that's not a problem with me, I can find other things to do. It's not forced upon them, if they wish to host a competition then that's great I'm not going to fire someone for not doing a competition, that's the difference. If we're going to go down that route is it upto HxHD staff to host events? :S

[HotelUser]

This is a really interesting discussion and I think there's quite a lot of confusion here.

If AGMs could hold two roles at once I probably wouldn't have resigned as HxHD Manager when I did, and Roxy wouldn't have stepped down from managing events either. Martin's role within Habbox is community oriented and it was decided months ago that members of general management should focus on their sector of Habbox and not another. If Martin began managing features (and that can take hours some days especially when problems need ironed out) then community aspects of Habbox would then be overlooked. Fortunately we are lucky enough to have Brandon (who I will again point out has been here for years and deserves every point of that 20 reputation) and Cosmic who was a forum moderator as of recently, and previously one of Habbox's best super moderators. I'll even go as far as to say if he didn't resign as SMOD when he did he would likely be some other variation of forum management already. We also didn't give the position to someone already on general management because we thought it would be more fair to give someone else a shot at a new role.

Is there only me who thinks Martin could just do the jobs of the features manager?

1) Martin is community and therefore responsible for prizes; he'd be able to take care of rep, VIP and awards better than anyone.
2) Martin would benefit from admin on the forum for reasons stated aboved.
3) He would be equal to those around him in General Management who all have admin.
3) Management seem unwilling to give out admin permissions to Martin who has been in management postions for months, yet appear to give them to Cosmic who is new to it (no offence to you on a personal level here, Davey! )

Seems a little obscure.

Oh, and on the topic of the thread... I disagree with admins getting the 20 rep power because they all pretty much have higher and it's therefore no help to anyone. It's just pointless..

Martin is a member of general management just as much as any other one of us. Nowhere does it say all members of General Management automatically get access to ACP. If this was the case there would have been atleast 2 occasions I could name off the top of my head where we would have experienced serious meltdowns.

We have features roles because they are necessary roles to have, there are enough amounts of things to do that we even need two features managers. Even if Martin had ACP he wouldn't be doing feature requests and distributing reputation via ACP. Not even I or Dan do that, we request it. So there really isn't any reason he needs it. Also, I am not going to start justifying the levels of administrator access anyone has because quite frankly that isn't any of your business and if anyone has any problems with that they're more than welcome to PM us.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...etition+notice

It is natural to expect people who can do these things themselves to cut corners like seen in the thread above. They are human after all!

I would post the private message Oli sent me for doing that in this thread but because of how he phrased it it would violate about three different forum rules. Needless to say, I didn't know I wasn't supposed to do that when I did, I wont make notices anymore, and I even did that one wrong which just goes to show that we really should keep things organized and leave one person in charge of managing notices. Firstly, to make sure they're done correctly and secondly to assure that we don't have 50 at once.

[Mathew]

See what trouble this is causing? Wouldn't it all work so much better if everyone could work as a team; whether that's promoting the forum, posting competitions or adding prizes? The same applies!

[Inseriousity.]

I wasn't GM then and all AGM's are aware of what they need to do if they want a notice added onto the forum. They go and talk to Sct about the matter.

Well tbf you were GM before that example and it was you who promoted martin with no admin then too. surely you'd have made them aware of it then too