LOST *contains spoilers*

[ecstasy]

Read the 'major spoiler' and it made no sense to me what so ever :D

[Seatherny]

Read the 'major spoiler' and it made no sense to me what so ever :D

SPOILER WARNING. DO NOT READ BELOW IF YOU DID NOT READ MY PREVIOUS POST. CONTAINS A MAJOR SPOILER.

Edit: Just realised spoiler tags are back :D

The island is a cork. Its trapping MiB (man in black) inside the island (the bottle).

[Charles]

I've promised myself not to read spoilers for the next few episodes, I just don't want to ruin it. However I've stumbled across certain things that I just wish I could un-know.

I therefore appreciate the use of spoiler tags there Gupta!

[Seatherny]

I've promised myself not to read spoilers for the next few episodes, I just don't want to ruin it. However I've stumbled across certain things that I just wish I could un-know.

I therefore appreciate the use of spoiler tags there Gupta!

The spoiler I posted I know because a idiot on lostpedia posted it in the wrong forum and put it in the thread title. I refuse to go on any lost forums till the finale.

[Simmzay]

I wouldn't even classify that as a spoiler, just a metaphor. Everyone knows MIB is trapped as he says so himself.

[[Jay]]

I wouldn't even classify that as a spoiler, just a metaphor. Everyone knows MIB is trapped as he says so himself.
Agree not really a spoiler

[Seatherny]

;6351075']Agree not really a spoiler

Considering its from a future ep which hasnt aired yet and Jacob's definition, it kind of is :P.

[ecstasy]

Considering its from a future ep which hasnt aired yet and Jacob's definition, it kind of is :P.

Yeah it is a spoiler but not a major one, just a metaphor. It doesn't actually say how it traps the MiB

[Simmzay]

I loved that episode, probably my favourite of the season.

I guess now that Jacob is dead Widmore can return but I don't know why he'd want to. Which reminds me, he still wants to kill Ben. Next episode will probably be pretty intense.

[Seatherny]

It was more of a Ben's personality episode than anything else. Wonder if Widmore will join MiB?

[[Jay]]

Very good episode nice to see the other side of Ben.
Also i forget now but what happend to Desmond? Is he coming back.

[Charles]

;6353061']Very good episode nice to see the other side of Ben.
Also i forget now but what happend to Desmond? Is he coming back.

Yeah he's got a centric episode coming up.

Really enjoyed this one, Ben is an excellent character. Also seeing Alex in the alt-timeline, and Roger- Work Man was cool.

[Simmzay]

Was kind of hoping to see Rousseau in the alternate timeline.

[Charles]

Was kind of hoping to see Rousseau in the alternate timeline.

I have no doubt that one of her jobs will be a place where one of the other characters will visit in the alt-timeline sooner or later.

[crazed]

Whoa, ending was... odd. + The good side of Ben was nice :) Also him crying on the island was nice, nice to see even he has feelings.

[ecstasy]

Great episode.
One thing I cant remember, where is Jin? Was he in the temple when the MiB attacked it?

[crazed]

Great episode.
One thing I cant remember, where is Jin? Was he in the temple when the MiB attacked it?


No, he is/ was with Claire, she didn't let him go..

I'm starting to feel that it's too late to bring Charles into this. It better not end on a cliff hanger..

[ecstasy]

No, he is/ was with Claire, she didn't let him go..

I'm starting to feel that it's too late to bring Charles into this. It better not end on a cliff hanger..


oh yeah, completely forgot about that. cheers

[Simmzay]

Can Widmore be a candidate? Or do we already know every possible candidate there is?

[Charles]

Can Widmore be a candidate? Or do we already know every possible candidate there is?

I wouldn't like to think that he is as he has actively used his cash to find the island whereas other Candidates have been pushed to the Island by Jacob. Maybe he was before he got exiled, maybe.

I enjoyed E08, it was better than I had expected despite things and ratings I had heard about it. Pretty decent situation in the alt-timeline, even though Sawyer's long-term aims are still there. It was also nice to learn a bit more about MiB/smokey/whatever and his mothers sanity.

Alas. It was just another prod into the right direction regarding the story which I hope gets cracking next episode. After all, it's a Richard-centric episode and that can only be brilliant.

[Simmzay]

This season has been really inconsistent as far as quality goes. Only episodes I've enjoyed were the premiere, last week's and the Locke-flash episode. It makes you wonder what the alt timeline can possibly lead to, even the best case scenario won't involve the Island since it's underwater. Maybe the big reveal will be Jacob existing in this alt timeline.

Next week's will definitely be great though. According to the actor that plays Richard it will have some major reveals. But I'll be happy enough seeing the Island through Richard's perspective in the past.

[Seatherny]

This season has been really inconsistent as far as quality goes. Only episodes I've enjoyed were the premiere, last week's and the Locke-flash episode. It makes you wonder what the alt timeline can possibly lead to, even the best case scenario won't involve the Island since it's underwater. Maybe the big reveal will be Jacob existing in this alt timeline.

Next week's will definitely be great though. According to the actor that plays Richard it will have some major reveals. But I'll be happy enough seeing the Island through Richard's perspective in the past.


the major spoil is supposed to be jacob telling people what the island is.


Can Widmore be a candidate? Or do we already know every possible candidate there is?

theres 6 candidates i think
widmore isnt any of them
we know who they are

[Lost_Addict]

Ok the thign that has me confed is, is kate a candidate or not? becase jacob touched her, yet her name was not on the wall with one of the numbers.

[Yonder]

Ok the thign that has me confed is, is kate a candidate or not? becase jacob touched her, yet her name was not on the wall with one of the numbers.

Kate isn't.

[Seatherny]

I hope the flashsideways play some sort of significance, if not, its just there to take up time "/ which is useless

[ecstasy]

I hope the flashsideways play some sort of significance, if not, its just there to take up time "/ which is useless

I think there will be some significance. Pretty sure the writers would know that nobody would want to know about what happens in the flash sideways if there wasn't any. Plus the fact that they're all bumping into each other kinda hints that there is something bringing them together.

[Charles]

Ab Aeterno was a slight anticlimax, I guess I was expecting much better. But saying that, I still really enjoyed to have an entire episode dedicated to Richard and his origins and to see Jacob/MiB playing puppetmasters with him.

Also I've been reading theories on the flash-sideways which after this episode make them seem much more likely, I won't taint anyones own theories so i'll refrain from posting.

[Simmzay]

Do you think it's likely MIB was released into the world in the alternate timeline? Considering the Island is underwater.

[[Jay]]

Do you think it's likely MIB was released into the world in the alternate timeline? Considering the Island is underwater.

Yeh that could be likely, that was the way off the island for jacob to be dead and the island to be destroyed but then again if the island was destroyed before the plane crashed then MIB would of not been able to take over John Lock and convience Ben to kill Jacob.

[Simmzay]

I'm having a hard time establishing what exactly MIB's powers are in terms of shape shifting. It seems he can take the form of people's loved ones and when he does so he scans their memories (apparently) and takes their form. For the likes of Yemi, Isabella etc, only the person who knew them actually sees them. Which makes me wonder, is Christian Shepard actually MIB, MIB taking his form, or someone else? People that never actually knew Christian saw him on the Island and if I remember correctly Sun meets him when MIB is actually trapped in Locke's body. So if MIB can't be Christian then I can only assume Christian is either "claimed"or a different being altogether.

Really confuses me.

[Dragorn]

Dont look if you dont want to know wha happens in the finale etcPretty good episode, bit of a suprize Desmond is back, apparently 'the island hasnt finish with him yet'. Also, according to http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/, zoe is after someone on the island, something big according to her interview. I also wonder how they are going to bring back the dead in the finale :S

[Simmzay]

How does that spoil the finale?

[[Jay]]

Good to see Desmond back. Also Whitmore is not there to stop the Mib I think he wants to replace him just like someone is going to replace Jacob.

[Tintinnabulate]

;6387759']Good to see Desmond back. Also Whitmore is not there to stop the Mib I think he wants to replace him just like someone is going to replace Jacob.

I doubt you can "replace" MiB. Jacob's role is to ensure MiB never leaves the island. That is also the job of the person who replaces Jacob. Think of Jacob as the guard who can be replaced and MiB as the single prisoner.

[Simmzay]

Am I right in thinking Sun doesn't know English in the alt timeline? Maybe the two timelines have crossed paths hence her sudden loss of English speaking on the Island.

[crazed]

Am I right in thinking Sun doesn't know English in the alt timeline? Maybe the two timelines have crossed paths hence her sudden loss of English speaking on the Island.


No, didn't she know English before the flight? I'm sure landing in L.A doesn't make you forget a language :P

Episode was alright, quite boring at points :/ Nice to see Desmond back though :)

[Lost_Addict]

Ya desmond was the high point fo the episode, quite meh TBH

[Simmzay]

No, didn't she know English before the flight? I'm sure landing in L.A doesn't make you forget a language :P

Episode was alright, quite boring at points :/ Nice to see Desmond back though :)
She learned it from the guy she was cheating with on Jin and in the alt timeline the two aren't married. In any case she shows no sign of knowing English really.

[Tintinnabulate]

I think we can guess part of the ending now. MiB dies?
Candidates were chosen, not by Jacob, but were pre-selected somehow. They were all brought to the Island to see who can survive.

What is interesting, and no one has brought this point up, is that MiB said to Jacob "I will kill them too (candidates)". However that kid told MiB that he cannot kill them.

[LoveToStack]

I think we can guess part of the ending now. MiB dies?


Alt timeline or 'real' timeline? If have my suspicions that in the alt timeline, MiB escapes the island and that's why it's underwater (just a theory though). However in the real timeline it'd be logical to assume that he dies since he is the 'villain', well that's the light he is portrayed in anyway.

[Dragorn]

Really good episode, my theory is that Desmond will get all of the survivors together and they will start having loads of flashes and they just come back and remember each other, BUT, will they actually remember everything that happened, will they still have their minds of the other world aswell as on the island (what about if Jack forgets about his son?). Going to be an interesting last 9 episodes. Also i forgot, maybe Jin and Sun will be re-united in the parallel world.

[Tintinnabulate]

Alt timeline or 'real' timeline? If have my suspicions that in the alt timeline, MiB escapes the island and that's why it's underwater (just a theory though). However in the real timeline it'd be logical to assume that he dies since he is the 'villain', well that's the light he is portrayed in anyway.

Yeah I was thinking the same last night. When the bomb went off, he must have been able to escape.

But wow, todays episode was brilliant. Great to see the alt timeline is not useless afterall.

[Charles]

Lovely Desmond episode, I really enjoyed it. I liked how his driver was the guy on the freighter who died due to not finding his constant.

[Simmzay]

I don't think Desmond is capable of having bad episodes.

[Tash.]

What an amazing episode, i'm confused as usual yet it's such a good confused! I can't cope with the idea that there is only 6 episodes left :(

[LoveToStack]

Desmond episode was my favourite by far this series. Enthralling the whole way through. You can understand why everyone loves Des.

[Lost_Addict]

An episode about Desmon, charlie and faraday how could of it possibly be bad XD

Also next episode to my understanding is the episode where libby will return, this is because on the sneak peak on the official lost website, it shows the episode is about hurley finding the right women

[ecstasy]

great episode. very confusing but thats why i love it. seemed at one point that desmond was both on and off the island at the same time, just slipping in and out of consciousness in each. seems like they are remembering what happened on the island. With the alt. timeline however, I still cant guess when in time it is/how it is linked to the normal timeline

[[Jay]]

lol that was a funny episode, Desmond is like the man these days.

[[Chris]]

I refuse to watch this any more.

[Simmzay]

This is a bad way for Lost to end. Not digging this season at all except a select few eps (Desmond, Ben, premiere), I can't wait for it to end.

[Tintinnabulate]

This is a bad way for Lost to end. Not digging this season at all except a select few eps (Desmond, Ben, premiere), I can't wait for it to end.

What is "This way"?

[Simmzay]

Poorly written episodes, zombie characters (Sayid, Claire), lack of any plot consistency, alternate universe no one cares about and some of the worst special effects known to mankind. The list goes on and on.

[Lost_Addict]

I agree with the zombie characers, theyre slightly pissing me off.
Episodes vary in quality.
But i like the alt timeline.
So i'm guessing it's a very contriversal series :P

[LoveToStack]

There's obviously going to be mixed opinions in the end because it's impossible to answer every question and fulfil every desire people have. Each episode can't be as good as the next or the last because whether an ep is good or bad is purely opinion.
As for everybody loves Hugo, was ok in my opinion but nothing special. I agree that the zombie characters are annoying, especially Sayid because it just seems like an easy way to write a strong-willed character out of the story so he doesn't cause trouble. Is the general consensus that Desmond slammed Locke in the alt reality because he pushed him down the well in the 'real' timeline? Are we to assume that people living in both timelines who have had the revelation because of desmond can remember their time on the island and also see what's happening in real time on the island? Or do you think they can just remember what happened until the bomb went off?

[Tintinnabulate]

I agree about the zombie characters. They have ruined Sayid.

[ecstasy]

There's obviously going to be mixed opinions in the end because it's impossible to answer every question and fulfil every desire people have. Each episode can't be as good as the next or the last because whether an ep is good or bad is purely opinion.
As for everybody loves Hugo, was ok in my opinion but nothing special. I agree that the zombie characters are annoying, especially Sayid because it just seems like an easy way to write a strong-willed character out of the story so he doesn't cause trouble. Is the general consensus that Desmond slammed Locke in the alt reality because he pushed him down the well in the 'real' timeline? Are we to assume that people living in both timelines who have had the revelation because of desmond can remember their time on the island and also see what's happening in real time on the island? Or do you think they can just remember what happened until the bomb went off?
One thought I had is that Desmond has taken it upon himself to see that everyone who was on the island remembers their time there - his meetings with Hurley and Locke weren't coincidental. I don't think the bomb going off would be the end of what they can remember seeing as they are still on the island after it, so the bomb didnt work in that sense so there is no reason why it would stop them from remembering their time after the explosion (However Julliet did say that the bomb worked but I think she meant that they got off the island but it led to them being on and off the island at the same time).

[Lost_Addict]

Ya i thought he ran over Locke because both him and charlie only saw the original timeline from near death expiriences or romance. i guess Locke is a near death person hehe XD

[Simmzay]

Actually confused about Desmond's motivations for running over Locke. As far as he knows, the person who pushed him down the well was John Locke and he might've jhust been looking for retribution. I'd like to hope though that it's to "open his eyes"to the other universe and lead him to Jack who will ultimately fix his condition.

[[Jay]]

I'd like to hope though that it's to "open his eyes"to the other universe and lead him to Jack who will ultimately fix his condition.
Yeh thats what I think as well.

[jackass]

To be honest, as much as I love Lost (well, actually obsessed with it), i'm finding this series to be somewhat disapointing so far. It doesn't have the same feel as the other series. :(

[superalex929]

I havent watched it

[jackass]

I havent watched it

Great input to the thread!

[Tintinnabulate]

To be honest, as much as I love Lost (well, actually obsessed with it), i'm finding this series to be somewhat disapointing so far. It doesn't have the same feel as the other series. :(

Before we only got questions. Now its answers :P Thats probably why :).

[Charles]

Ok episode. Hilarity ensued when Jack jumped off the boat, just look at the way he does it.

[Simmzay]

Having a hard time believing MIB was Christian the entire time.

[ecstasy]

Ok episode. Hilarity ensued when Jack jumped off the boat, just look at the way he does it.

The way he tucked is arms in and made his body perfectly straight was the bomb.

[Tintinnabulate]

Omg no Lost today "/

[JamesM115]

is it not on today? well last night?

[-Charityy]

yeah it wasn't on last night and i didn't know that. I stayed up just to watch it, and it's not coming on again till next week :/

[JamesM115]

ah right cheers :)

[[Jay]]

Oh no only think I was looking foward to this week. Oh well ill just take a few more antidepressants.

[jackass]

Having a hard time believing MIB was Christian the entire time.

That was my theory from the start anyway, seemed obvious to me. :P

[Simmzay]

A lot of death in the latest episode.

[22andy2231]

omg lost 2nyt woot woot cant wait lol

[Tintinnabulate]

stupid sawyer
wish he listened to jack :(

[Charles]

stupid sawyer
wish he listened to jack :(

After what happened to Juliet I think its safe to assume that MiB knew that Sawyer would be all "no" to Jack, resulting in the events.

[[Jay]]

I kinda saw that coming and kinda didnt
Why did so many die??? Sayid was the best even when he was bad he was good lol shame :(.

[Tintinnabulate]

I really wish they didn't kill Jin and Sayid. Those 2 were great. Even the pilot was funny. Should have just killed them in the finale if they really wanted to kill them.

[Lost_Addict]

After watching this episode my new facebook status is:

*** \Wrist

[Simmzay]

Been a while since I posted a sneak peak but the latest ones seem worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu9s6NfYrCk&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwh1rvU85Ig&feature=player_embedded

[jackass]

I really wish they didn't kill Jin and Sayid. Those 2 were great. Even the pilot was funny. Should have just killed them in the finale if they really wanted to kill them.

I know, I was literally crying, they were all amazing characters. :'(


After watching this episode my new facebook status is:

*** \Wrist

Mine was something similar. :(

[ecstasy]

whaaaaaat, why kill them? :(
the alternate timeline is getting better
oh and btw wheres ben?
edit: nvm hes with miles + richard apparently planning to blow up the plane but they seem to have gone walkabout

[jackass]

whaaaaaat, why kill them? :(
the alternate timeline is getting better
oh and btw wheres ben?

He went off with Richard somewhere as far as i'm aware. :P

[LoveToStack]

I don't see why it couldn't have been Richard and co. who placed the C4 on the plane. After all they did set off to "blow up the plane".

[Simmzay]

I don't see why it couldn't have been Richard and co. who placed the C4 on the plane. After all they did set off to "blow up the plane".
It probably was.

[Tintinnabulate]

I don't see why it couldn't have been Richard and co. who placed the C4 on the plane. After all they did set off to "blow up the plane".

Interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if you are correct. But does that mean who guards came to protect the plane after?

[ecstasy]

I thought it might've been Richard and co. who put the C4 there but where would they have got it from? They coulda got it from Widmore but 1. i dont think he'd just let them stroll in and take it and 2. they probs wouldnt have been able to sneak in cause of the guards looking out for the MiB and co.

[Tintinnabulate]

Tonight is the episode all about Jacob and MiB with no regular cast in the episode.
Time for some answers!

[Charles]

I actually really enjoyed that episode. That is all.

[Simmzay]

Worst episode in the worst season of an otherwise great show.

Nothing can ever beat the cheesiness of the cave of light

[Richie]

When is the next episode of lost on?

[Tintinnabulate]

When is the next episode of lost on?

Tuesdays in America. Friday in UK.


Worst episode in the worst season of an otherwise great show.

Nothing can ever beat the cheesiness of the cave of light

Apart from the light, it was a pretty good show...

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[[Jay]]

I thought it was a good episode but in a way all it done is open up more questions then it answerd.

[Tintinnabulate]

;6458760']I thought it was a good episode but in a way all it done is open up more questions then it answerd.

Indeed it has. I hope they explain how he slowly developed all his powers and came to know about all the things about the island. How he also managed to get off the Island and come back.

[Simmzay]

Only two episodes left in which to answer it though.

[[Jay]]

Just wondering, how did that woman kill all them people and destroy the well???
Could she transform into the black smoke as well...hmmmm

[Lost_Addict]

;6460173']Just wondering, how did that woman kill all them people and destroy the well???
Could she transform into the black smoke as well...hmmmm

Me thinks yes, because she knows what happens when you "go into the light" wow that was cheesy rofl.

[jackass]

I think you guys have got it all wrong? By watching that episode it seemed to me that Jacob killed his brother (not currently the black smoke), and as he fell into the Source (the cave of light), it released the black smoke, and then later on, the black smoke merely took the form of Jacob's dead brother.

Also, didn't Jack say that the Adam & Eve skeletons were only about 40/50 years old or something? :S

[Lost_Addict]

Nah i thought he said a couple of hndred years old lol.

[Charles]

I think you guys have got it all wrong? By watching that episode it seemed to me that Jacob killed his brother (not currently the black smoke), and as he fell into the Source (the cave of light), it released the black smoke, and then later on, the black smoke merely took the form of Jacob's dead brother.

Also, didn't Jack say that the Adam & Eve skeletons were only about 40/50 years old or something? :S

Yeah Jack said that it takes that long for the clothes to decompose.

Jacob killed his brother physically, but his soul became the black smoke. It can be backed up in Ab Aeterno where MiB tells Richard that the "Devil" took his body, and also when Locke and Jack were talking in the sideways timeline about Jacks father being gone, but not his soul or w/e.

[LoveToStack]

I'm not any clearer on what's what and who's who. As has been mentioned, the whole light in the water thing was crap. It didn't explain anything further than "this is the reason we are here, we don't know what it is. Why do we protect it? Just because blablabla, more ambiguous answers".
I accept that they're not going to be able to give a justifiable scientific explanation but I wouldn't even mind some pseudo-science if it shone some light, see what I did there, on some of the questions. Especially the black smoke thing. Obviously it would be good to get some further clarification as to whether the black smoke was created when MiB was sucked into the island's glory hole or whether he actually becomes the black smoke, spiritually speaking. But on top of that I really hope they give some explanation as to why he became black smoke.
However that seems highly unlikely since any character with the slightest possibility of knowing the answers to these questions is dead, with the exception of the MiB himself and even then, he get's his information because "he's special" (also a total load).

[jackass]

Yeah Jack said that it takes that long for the clothes to decompose.

Yeah, but a bit of a difference between 50 years and 2000 years. :P


Jacob killed his brother physically, but his soul became the black smoke. It can be backed up in Ab Aeterno where MiB tells Richard that the "Devil" took his body, and also when Locke and Jack were talking in the sideways timeline about Jacks father being gone, but not his soul or w/e.

Yeah, that's true actually, because I also remember MiB telling Kate about how his mother was crazy.

[Lost_Addict]

Yeah, but a bit of a difference between 50 years and 2000 years. :P



Yeah, that's true actually, because I also remember MiB telling Kate about how his mother was crazy.

It was 200 yeas? must of missed that.

Oh and also it explains why MiB still wants to get of the island pretty well.

Also do we know who built the egyptian statue becasue im pretty shore that hasn't been resolved yet

[jackass]

It was 200 yeas? must of missed that.

"About 2,000 years before the crash of Oceanic Flight 815" ~ Lostpedia. ;)

[Simmzay]

Jack said something like 40-50 years and the producers said Jack isn't a carbon dater soecialist. Doesn't take a professional to know that those clothes wouldn't of lasted that long.

[Lost_Addict]

"About 2,000 years before the crash of Oceanic Flight 815" ~ Lostpedia. ;)

Tyvm XD

[Charles]

It was 200 yeas? must of missed that.

Oh and also it explains why MiB still wants to get of the island pretty well.

Also do we know who built the egyptian statue becasue im pretty shore that hasn't been resolved yet

We saw a hieroglyph that showed what seemed to be the smoke monster 'battling' or commanding the Anubis figure. But this won't be shown in the show I guess so they have just left it to our imaginations. So I believe that between Across the Sea and present day, there were some egyptian settlers who MiB terrorised and they could have built it either for his appeasement or just a prayer to the gods.

for reference;

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qzvy_dSNOYs/SgwwfehpF8I/AAAAAAAAASU/DcQyU4OACbg/s400/anubis+vs+smoke+monster.jpg

Anyway. What they died for was a pretty good episode, I can't actually believe the show is ending and I'm going to get emotional. It's airing in America this Sunday so it'll be over on Monday for me, aww maaan.

[[Jay]]

Intresting^ but im sure they will explain that in the finale.
Good episode
Although I think that Desmond is gathering evryone so they can go back to the island in the alternative timline to stop the island from getting destryoed

[Tintinnabulate]

LOST FINALE IS ON MONDAY AT 5AM. THEY ARE AIRING IT THEN AFTER AMERICA.

[LoveToStack]

Everyone staying up to watch it and discuss? Yes. Then we are agreed.

[Tintinnabulate]

Everyone staying up to watch it and discuss? Yes. Then we are agreed.

When I watch it, I like to watch it in peace with no disturance.

[Lost_Addict]

I'm watching it at 5am, but i shoul be carfull 'cause i have an AS exam at 8:30 haha XD

[Tintinnabulate]

I'm watching it at 5am, but i shoul be carfull 'cause i have an AS exam at 8:30 haha XD

Look at it two ways:

If you dont watch it, you will be wondering about it during the exam and someone might ruin it for you!
OR
If you watch it, you will be too shocked at how amazing or crap it was and will forget everything to do with the exam.

Er lose lose. I would just watch it considering its a lose lose situation.

[Lost_Addict]

ya, and im guessing i'm going to fail Maths anyway haha XD might aswell have an excuse :D

[ecstasy]

I'm watching it at 5am, but i shoul be carfull 'cause i have an AS exam at 8:30 haha XD
you are crazy

[Simmzay]

This is it.... the end.

Season has disappointed at times but I have a feeling this episode will redeem it. I expect emotionally engaging and absorbing character driven moments with a few w-t-f moments and one or two answer reveals. I care more about it being satisfactory on a character level much more than the mythos side of things although the way they've handled some of the answers has been lazy. My favourite episode to this day would have to be the S3 finale followed closely by 'Walkabout' and 'Flashes before your eyes'.

[LoveToStack]

This is it.... the end.

Season has disappointed at times but I have a feeling this episode will redeem it. I expect emotionally engaging and absorbing character driven moments with a few w-t-f moments and one or two answer reveals. I care more about it being satisfactory on a character level much more than the mythos side of things although the way they've handled some of the answers has been lazy. My favourite episode to this day would have to be the S3 finale followed closely by 'Walkabout' and 'Flashes before your eyes'.

I'd bet it's going to be primarily character based as well. Don't really mind to be honest, it'll just be good to see a satisfying ending either way. Favourite ep is probably The Constant. Loves me some Desmond.

[[Jay]]

Yeh cant believe its coming to an end :(. Looking forward to the last episode, really want some answers, also would be nice to see what happens to evryone and it better not be one of those endings where they leave it up to your imagination, hate that.

[ben]

That was sad :(

[Lost_Addict]

Finished opposite how it started *super sad face*

The very ending was done insanley well.

For those who can't remember Lost started with Jacks eye opening, Vincent running through the forest and Fuesalage dropping out of the sky

[Tintinnabulate]

Character ending great, island story, ****. Simples.

[Tintinnabulate]

I posted this on lostpedia but it went instantly to second page cos that forum is crazy atm. Hoping someone will reply to my thread on this there:


I was hoping someone could please explain a few things. I understand the character development ending and that was great, but a few things confused me.

What was the life they lived in the ALT? If the Island life was the reality and they made the church to meet up, how did they ALT and life where they lived existed?

When and how did they create this church if they didnt know about its importance when they lived in real and when they were in ALT?

So basically the writers could have done anything with the Island, temple etc and not had to worry as they didnt explain those parts?

Why did they have to return to the island? To finally pick a leader and destroy MiB?

Also if the leader (back then Jacob and now Hurley) can bring people to the island, just dont bring anyone? That way the Island is safe from people and doesn't.

Thanks.

http://forum.lostpedia.com/could-someone-please-help-me-t58492.html?p=2533698&posted=1#post2533698

[Simmzay]

So apparently in Heaven/after life Jack has a son and marries Juliette. Yeah that's just weird.

[Tintinnabulate]

So apparently in Heaven/after life Jack has a son and marries Juliette. Yeah that's just weird.

The ALT is what the souls of the Losties created so they could find each other before moving on.

Hey lets give Miles the power to speak to the dead, create temples, create a huge statue, and get them to protect a light. ha cos we wont explain any of it.

[Lost_Addict]

So apparently in Heaven/after life Jack has a son and marries Juliette. Yeah that's just weird.

Thats what my fmaily were thinking. and why is aaron a baby again in the afterlife if he grew up?

Secondly i was peeved at no Michael and Walt. I know they couldn't of included them in the ALT timeline because Walt has adged to much and it would look odd having everyone 3//4 years younger and Walt looking 3/4 years older XD

My list sofar of things unknown:

Middle of island: *** is it?
Egyptian era... what happend?
Not ageing What? Why?
Not being able to kill eachother. Once again What? Why?
Walts Powers How? What? Why? and When?
ALT timeline in total. I don't understand lots of plot holes ??!?!?!?!?
Why did they have to protect the heart of the island if all it does is sink the island?
Hurley Bird!!!
Many Many Many anaswerd visions, such as walt dripping water and talking backward and so on.
Finally not really an unanswerd question but i'd love to know what happens after they elave on a plane / hurley and Ben lead the island and Rose, Bernard, Vincent are the new rouseau.

These are all from my personal memory so if you think of more please add to the list XD

[Lost_Addict]

Sorry for double posting but i have a few more:

Jacobs "cabin" What was that about and who was the resident we could see in slow mo?
Ash circles, Why did they stop the smoke monster crossing them?
How the hell does The Lighthouse work
How did the mother of MiB and Jacob come to be on the island / be chose / know what the ehart of the island is.
Healing propeties. Just How?
What is the MiB's Name?

If you look past the mysteries the episode was an amazing final. But i can see that they could easily do a mini series entitled Lost: The answers

[Tintinnabulate]

Sorry for double posting but i have a few more:

Jacobs "cabin" What was that about and who was the resident we could see in slow mo?
Ash circles, Why did they stop the smoke monster crossing them?
How the hell does The Lighthouse work
How did the mother of MiB and Jacob come to be on the island / be chose / know what the ehart of the island is.
Healing propeties. Just How?
What is the MiB's Name?

If you look past the mysteries the episode was an amazing final. But i can see that they could easily do a mini series entitled Lost: The answers

Character ending, awesome. Everything else sucks. They gave us millions of questions but failed to answer them. Not even giving us MiB's name is just urgh.

[Lost_Addict]

Some more:
How does the whell move the island through time?
Why did MiB unlease the smoke monster but when Jack and Desmond went down nothing happend?
What is the smoke monster! They still havn't even explained that!
Why on Earth doe the heart of the island need protecting if the worst that happens is it sinks the island rofl?

And i'm going to keep the ALT timeline as an ALT timeline to what happend if the hydrogen bomb went off. Because then everything but the very end scene makes sense. Theres to many plot hole for it to have been the afterlife the whole time. For instance how did claire give birth to Aaron again? How did Jck have a child? Why on earth would Johns afterlife be crashing a plane putting himself into a wheel chair and his father comatose. So ya the afterlife story dosn't make sence so i'm happy keeping it purley as the ALT timeline cast remembering what heppend on the island.

[Hecktix]

Not quite sure what to make really, part of me feels it was a cop out part of me feels it was amazing.

So, what actually was the Island?

[LoveToStack]

Not quite sure what to make really, part of me feels it was a cop out part of me feels it was amazing.

So, what actually was the Island?

From what I gathered...

The island was a real island. They were all on the island up to the point where Juliet detonated the hydrogen bomb. At that point they all died. At which point, the alternate timeline was created, but it wasn't actually an alt timeline, it was a purgatory (I know right, they told us that's not what it was) where they could come together, or something..., before going to heaven, or somewhere...
That weak theory put forward by myself leaves millions of blanks, such as what was everything that happened on the island after the bomb went off.
Even the bit about the alt timeline doesn't account for Frank and co. escaping the island.
I was happy to see some character justification, and in that sense it was a good ending, but apart from that I had no clue what happened.

Right as I scour through forums and the infinite butthurt folks on /tv/, I'm beginning to make more sense of it.
From what I gather, after the Hbomb went off, they ALL DIED, everyone died. However life carried on, on the island while in the alt timeline they begun to make contact with eachother. The idea being that they needed eachother to go to heaven (:() in the alt reality and the island storyline was just something in between, while they found each other. Still doesn't make any more sense but whatever.

[samsaBEAR]

I never kept up with Lost, was the black smokey monster in the first series ever explained?

[LoveToStack]

I never kept up with Lost, was the black smokey monster in the first series ever explained?

I'll save you 6 years. Nothing was explained. They were all dead, or something.

[Simmzay]

Can someone explain to me the very last scene where Jack sees the plane fly over him? Is it some sort of warp back to 2004? A full timeloop? A different plane?

[Tintinnabulate]

From what I gathered...

The island was a real island. They were all on the island up to the point where Juliet detonated the hydrogen bomb. At that point they all died. At which point, the alternate timeline was created, but it wasn't actually an alt timeline, it was a purgatory (I know right, they told us that's not what it was) where they could come together, or something..., before going to heaven, or somewhere...
That weak theory put forward by myself leaves millions of blanks, such as what was everything that happened on the island after the bomb went off.
Even the bit about the alt timeline doesn't account for Frank and co. escaping the island.
I was happy to see some character justification, and in that sense it was a good ending, but apart from that I had no clue what happened.

Right as I scour through forums and the infinite butthurt folks on /tv/, I'm beginning to make more sense of it.
From what I gather, after the Hbomb went off, they ALL DIED, everyone died. However life carried on, on the island while in the alt timeline they begun to make contact with eachother. The idea being that they needed eachother to go to heaven (:() in the alt reality and the island storyline was just something in between, while they found each other. Still doesn't make any more sense but whatever.

Wrong. Island was real yes. They all went back to the "real time" just before the bomb exploded. The bomb is what sent them back to the real world. They were all still alive.

The bomb did not create the ALT. Its more of a flash forward, an afterlife. What Christian told Jack is very important. People died before you and after you. We presume Kate went and lived off the Island for quite some time. This is because she says to Jack she has missed him in the ALT.

[Lost_Addict]

Can someone explain to me the very last scene where Jack sees the plane fly over him? Is it some sort of warp back to 2004? A full timeloop? A different plane?

It's the plane lepidz was Piloting off the island with: Kate, Sawyer, Claire, Miles and Richard on it

Basically it was showing theopposite of the original openign scene of Lost:

Instead of Jack opening his eyes, Plane in wreckage (debrie) and vincent running away.
Jack saw the plane with his freinds on leave the island, Vincent came and lay next to him and he closed his eyes to end the fantastic show.

IMO that was the second sadest moment of the show with first being Charlis death.

[Simmzay]

I really should've pieced that together.

[Misawa]

I've watched three or four episodes of Lost in my entire life and worked out the conclusion in a passing joke yesterday. Shows how intelligent that show was.

[LoveToStack]

Its more of a flash forward, an afterlife. What Christian told Jack is very important. People died before you and after you. We presume Kate went and lived off the Island for quite some time. This is because she says to Jack she has missed him in the ALT.

That makes a bit more sense. I understand now why Hugo said to Ben, you were a great number two because when he said it in the show it was confusing seeing as how he literally just appointed him as his number 2 on the island.

So following that idea, and the whole people died before and after Jack, are we to assume that in the 'afterlife', everyone is always there but only when they become aware and have there yellow-hue flashback moment, do they become ready to move on? I assume that's the case because how could Kate have been there before Jack, since she was on the plane to safety while he died on the island below.

If you go back and watch the earlier episodes, they are worlds apart from the later season episodes. It started to go downhill after season 2 imo but I still watched it because we were promised answers. In the end they did not deliver and you can argue that it's about the characters but that is not why people were attracted to the show. It was about the mythology and none of that was explained.

[Tintinnabulate]

I've watched three or four episodes of Lost in my entire life and worked out the conclusion in a passing joke yesterday. Shows how intelligent that show was.

Millions of viewers didnt manage to do it, and its impossible you did it in 3-4 episodes. Yes the ending was crap but the show was amazing. Stop constantly boasting in this section of the site, half of what you say no one believes anyway, shows how intelligent your posts are.

Maybe because you think of yourself as some big movie director (yet I have never heard of any films you seem to make ... so it shows how intelligent those films are that no one watches them), you think all shows are awful. The fact its was listed as the most watched TV programme of recent times shows how good the show was. You may think the storyline was crap, but majority disagree with you.

[samsaBEAR]

I'm surprised Misawa even watched it, I don't remember sharks being a part of the Lost plot

[Misawa]

I don't direct...

I worked on an Oscar-winning film that made $320 million worldwide - obviously no one saw it and it's unintelligent...

I "hate all shows"? I've probably seen 10x as many shows as you have in your entire life and liked a lot more than you. What a stupid thing to say.

Nice unintelligent post just because I worked out the answer to Lost after a couple of episodes? Obviously it isn't impossible.

To the above: I didn't watch the last episode. I watched some of the first season and thought it was horrendously written. I read about the outcome today and was surprised to see that I was correct.

[Kyle]

The story wasn't crap but the ending most certainly was a little disappointing for the amount of time the show was actually aired.

[Tintinnabulate]

I don't direct...

I worked on an Oscar-winning film that made $320 million worldwide - obviously no one saw it and it's unintelligent...

I "hate all shows"? I've probably seen 10x as many shows as you have in your entire life and liked a lot more than you. What a stupid thing to say.

Nice unintelligent post just because I worked out the answer to Lost after a couple of episodes? Obviously it isn't impossible.

To the above: I didn't watch the last episode. I watched some of the first season and thought it was horrendously written. I read about the outcome today and was surprised to see that I was correct.

If you mean Jack killing Locke (technically he didn't but yeah), even a 10 year old figured that out.
Yes it is impossible to have figured out the ending by just watching a few season 1 episodes as we weren't even aware of the ALT time line then. Next time you try and look all clever, actually think about what you are writing first.

And whats the film called and what was your role?

[Misawa]

Act all clever? I guessed the conclusion correctly yesterday. Fact.

I worked in production on Inglourious *******s.

[Tintinnabulate]

Act all clever? I guessed the conclusion correctly yesterday. Fact.

I worked in production on Inglourious *******s.

Like I said, guessing the ending of LOST (as in the Alt time line part) by watching only a few season 1 episodes is impossible. It doesnt matter if you guessed it yesterday, its the fact you guessed it based on a few season 1 episodes.

Say what you want, I certainly don't believe you and I know most other members don't either.

[Misawa]

Actually, all members who have ever discussed my involvement believed me the minute they were shown proof. I'm not bothered by someone not believing my proven role in that movie, it's insignificant.

[Tintinnabulate]

Actually, all members who have ever discussed my involvement believed me the minute they were shown proof. I'm not bothered by someone not believing my proven role in that movie, it's insignificant.

I am on about Lost ...

[Misawa]

Haha, why would that bother me either? I know I did it, I don't give a flying one who doesn't think I did! Watching three or four episodes and hearing about events throughout the seasons was more than enough for me to guess and I did. You shouldn't attempt to mock people for being born with a brain.

[Lost_Addict]

Both of you stop ******** -.-

[Fez]

I remember thinking to myself on the first episode of LOST, where Locke finds out he can walk.

"They're either in purgatory, they're dreaming or we'll never know."

[Simmzay]

I guess you two were under the impression that they were always in purgatory and the Island itself was a form of it, which is completely untrue. The notion of purgatory was only introduced in S6 via an entirely different alternate dimension which is not parallel with the events of the Island over the six seasons. They did not all die at once and they weren't dead when they met each other. Purgatory was used to reunite people who actually all lived together at one point and it is impossible to guess this conclusion from watching season one.

[Tash.]

I thought the ending was done spectacularly. Attention to detail was fantastic and the way they sort of cut away everything else right at the end to focus on the people I thought was quite brave. I'm sure they will recieve a large amount of criticism for leaving so many unanswered questions but I personally thought the ending was fitting to the series. It was really sad, the viewers are saying goodbye to the show and the characters are saying goodbye to one another, just brilliant. I don't mind admitting it made me cry, no sob actually, though that may have had something to do with my tiredness but still, amazing. Very sad to see it go, and although I wanted the answers to the questions as much as anyone, I don't feel cheated or badly done to, to not recieve them.

[Charles]

I've watched three or four episodes of Lost in my entire life and worked out the conclusion in a passing joke yesterday. Shows how intelligent that show was.

Are you a moron? I'm sorry but you seriously can't be saying that if you intend to be answered reasonably.

For me, the Finale was brilliant. Emotionally exhausting through each turn, especially the reunited parts (Charlie/Claire importantly, and then Sawyer/Jules). I loved how it ended, I don't care about answers, I watched the show for 6-odd years to be entertained and damn right I was.

I found a nice summary of 'LOLPURGATORY':

The Source is supposed to be the source of all life.

When they detonated Jughead, it caused two worlds:
1) the ORIGINAL world where The Source still exists and Jughead didn't change anything, and
2) an ALTERNATE world, just like the original, except where Jughead destroyed The Source, sinking the Island.

Because there is no Source in the alternate world, there is no LIFE, effectively making it an AFTER-life.
However this is an afterlife ONLY to people that had significant ties to both the Island AND each other.


Because this afterlife was created by the survivors' act of detonating Jughead, that is why Christian Shephard refers to this afterlife as "the place THEY created."

[-Danube-]

At first i was a little bit disappointed by the ending. I was really annoyed that they hadn't answered most things like pregnancy issues, hurley bird, walts powers etc so i came straight online and did a little bit of searching and found this theory by someone on another forum. I think it sums it up really, makes sense. I think i was thinking about the show too logical, that everything would be answered, but it wasn't, the whole show was just like a metaphor for life.

Here's what the person put.
I think it is wrong to call the alt-timeline "purgatory".

It seems more accurate to call it rebirth? I may be wrong in this account, but after all the Buddhist imagery (as well as other religious imagery): dharma, namaste, hurley (buddha) etc., it seems that when you die, you move on to your reborn life. You don't necessarily start this life at birth, you just inhabit it. And there are always clues as to your previous life (appendix removed, bleeding neck). But unless you are able to MOVE ON or LET GO and realize that all of these things in life (mysteries of creation, afterlife, happiness, etc.) are simply THINGS holding you back from enlightenment, then you will simply repeat the cycle.

This cyclical viewpoint is throughout the show: eye opening, eye closing. Mother is the protector. Passes and dies. Jacob is the protecter. Passes and dies. Jack is the protecter. Passes and dies. Hurley is the protecter. Passes (to Ben, the reason, along with Alex not yet letting go, he remains in his reborn life, he realizes his past life but is still not ready to move on, perhaps he is still alive as the protector of the island, immortal and unable to move on) and dies.

The "mysteries" of the island seem to simply (for the most part) be red herrings, pointless things to detract our attention from the one truth: enlightenment. Just as we as viewers LOST ourselves in the endless mysteries of the island, the characters were LOST in the mysteries of life, just as most of us are. What is the smoke monster? Where did the island come from? Why is everything egyptian? What is the light? These are very similar to, What is God and Satan? Where did I come from? Does my life have a purpose? Where do I go when I die? But, the point is, in the end, none of these mysteries matter because there is no answer. Just like in the LOST show, we were never given an answer to our mysteries. Why? Because there is no answer. Same for the big questions about life. The point is not to find out the answers to our grand questions about life and death and the mysteries surrounding them, but to realize that, in the end, they are of no worth and we simply have to let go and allow enlightenment to happen.

But the church stained glass indicated this enlightenment is not unique to just christianity. Perhaps, since we are (for the most part) raised as christians in America, Jack's father (Christian Shephard) acted as the Shephard for those with a Christian background, shaping the symbols and imagery for those understanding christianity. That's why everyone calls it purgatory, because that is a christian concept. But, in reality, the enlightenment is for any all religions. It is simply truth, light, beauty, eternity. All religions are attempting to tap into this, but disagree on the earthly principles. Much like the island. On the island, everyone disagreed about what the island was and how to protect, destroy, sell it. In life, all the people of the world disagree about the afterlife, and we fight endless wars with each other (like the wars on the island) to prove ourselves and gain an upper hand on the truth. But in the end, all the fighting and war (on the island and on earth) are simply distractions, lies that separate us from one other and convince us that we are different, that we are all trying to reach something different, when in fact we are all just searching for the enlightenment, the light, to move on.

I dunno. Maybe.

Also i was really happy to see Juliet back, she was my favorite character and they hadn't used her all the way through season 6, so i was glad to see her :)...

Also there is one thing i myself would have changed in the story line.... Adam and Eve. I think there was a much better story here that could have been used. Rose and Bernard, they took themselves away from the losties and thus i think they should have become 'LOST' in the timeline. And they could have done a reveal that actually Rose and Bernard had gone back 100's of years and decided to live in the caves, died their together in peace. This would have made it look like they actually knew where they were going with the story line, it kinda did look like this had made this bit up as they had gone along. The only thing that wouldn't fit into the Rose and Bernard story line is the White and Black stones, unless they used this as their ancestostry, Rose being of African origin and Bernard being caucasian, although this seems to having nothing to do with the storyline and could come across as being raceist with the colour black being seen as evil in lost.

Plus in an episode an anagram was found:

Only fools are enslaved by time and space (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Room_23)

Which can be changed around to say

Bones of Nadlers (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Nadler) may lay deep in lost cave

Nadlers meaning Bernard and Rose Nadler.

[LoveToStack]

Are you a moron? I'm sorry but you seriously can't be saying that if you intend to be answered reasonably.

For me, the Finale was brilliant. Emotionally exhausting through each turn, especially the reunited parts (Charlie/Claire importantly, and then Sawyer/Jules). I loved how it ended, I don't care about answers, I watched the show for 6-odd years to be entertained and damn right I was.

I found a nice summary of 'LOLPURGATORY':

The Source is supposed to be the source of all life.

When they detonated Jughead, it caused two worlds:
1) the ORIGINAL world where The Source still exists and Jughead didn't change anything, and
2) an ALTERNATE world, just like the original, except where Jughead destroyed The Source, sinking the Island.

Because there is no Source in the alternate world, there is no LIFE, effectively making it an AFTER-life.
However this is an afterlife ONLY to people that had significant ties to both the Island AND each other.


Because this afterlife was created by the survivors' act of detonating Jughead, that is why Christian Shephard refers to this afterlife as "the place THEY created."

I think that this is now the general consensus. I'm beginning to warm to the whole final episode. At first I was right annoyed at how they left everything unanswered but the character redemption makes up for it. It's easy to forget all the character struggles that went on throughout the show but the finale wrapped them all up nicely.
I admit I cried during the episode. Cried when Kate said goodbye to Jack, cried when Hurley didn't want Jack to "commit suicide", cried when Jack died and I cried hard when they showed Jack's stupid happy-smile in the church at the end. MANLY TEARS.

[Dan2nd]

When they detonated Jughead, it caused two worlds:
1) the ORIGINAL world where The Source still exists and Jughead didn't change anything, and
2) an ALTERNATE world, just like the original, except where Jughead destroyed The Source, sinking the Island.



I disagree I personally think the Jughead did nothing more than send them back to their time.

The whole Alternate world thing was a plot device used to trick the audience into guessing the wrong things.

in my opinion Yes this fake world was created by them but not to stay forever in an after life, it was created so they could reunited in sort of a 'limbo land' and move on together into the after life (hence the bright light when the church doors opened) The island was underwater in this limbo land as it was not needed, as it was a limbo land for the dead

Christian Shepard lived up to his name and helped Shepard the Losties into heaven or what ever else you think the after life may be (although I'm going with the christian theme becuase of his name)

[LoveToStack]

Anyone else feel like everything that went on during seasons 1-5 on or off the island is essentially made void by this ending though. It was all pointless as far as I can see in terms of the story.

[Charles]

I disagree I personally think the Jughead did nothing more than send them back to their time.

The whole Alternate world thing was a plot device used to trick the audience into guessing the wrong things.

in my opinion Yes this fake world was created by them but not to stay forever in an after life, it was created so they could reunited in sort of a 'limbo land' and move on together into the after life (hence the bright light when the church doors opened) The island was underwater in this limbo land as it was not needed, as it was a limbo land for the dead

Christian Shepard lived up to his name and helped Shepard the Losties into heaven or what ever else you think the after life may be (although I'm going with the christian theme becuase of his name)

Yeah, I've pretty much moved away from the Jughead theory now. I was caught up in the excitement of the finale and was eager to find some kind of 'reasonable' explanation.

Get reading some finale recaps, I've found quite a lot to be very interesting.

[Tintinnabulate]

When they detonated Jughead, it caused two worlds:
1) the ORIGINAL world where The Source still exists and Jughead didn't change anything, and
2) an ALTERNATE world, just like the original, except where Jughead destroyed The Source, sinking the Island.

No... that is incorrect.
All the jughead did was send them back to real time. THE ALT IS PURGATORY. Its afterlife. People seem to fail to understand this simple thing.


I thought the ending was done spectacularly. Attention to detail was fantastic and the way they sort of cut away everything else right at the end to focus on the people I thought was quite brave. I'm sure they will recieve a large amount of criticism for leaving so many unanswered questions but I personally thought the ending was fitting to the series. It was really sad, the viewers are saying goodbye to the show and the characters are saying goodbye to one another, just brilliant. I don't mind admitting it made me cry, no sob actually, though that may have had something to do with my tiredness but still, amazing. Very sad to see it go, and although I wanted the answers to the questions as much as anyone, I don't feel cheated or badly done to, to not recieve them.

I thought you cried cos I called you an idiot for liking such a crap ending? The island was a bloody character itself. They realised they cant answer it so they moved us on to the characters and people fell for it.
LOST writers need to watch 24 on how to do a real series and show finale.

[Simmzay]

Personally I would of rather they left every question unanswered than answer them lazily. The answers to the whispers and Adam and Eve for example did nothing for me. I stopped caring about what was what in season four when it came clear that there'd be no pay-off on a personal level. As far as characters go I honstly feel that everyone except Ben, Locke and Desmond have stopped being interesting a long time ago (still like Hurley, Frank etc, but their stories are well and truly over or never truly began).

[Rozi]

Yo well I only watched like the first 5 episodes of lost so I'm not in a position to comment on it but I thought you may find this video interesting blahblahblah.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HWECQa23Cs

[Lost_Addict]

I'm also glad that they left the answers unanswerd instead of inventing a lame crap explanation, because if they did that it would of lowerd my respect for the writers of Lost alot.

[samsaBEAR]

Yo well I only watched like the first 5 episodes of lost so I'm not in a position to comment on it but I thought you may find this video interesting blahblahblah.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HWECQa23Cs
That makes sense to me, obviously it's abrigded but I can't see how they made 6 series out of it aha

[LoveToStack]

Can someone confirm this for me:

The plane crashes on the island
Everyone survives
Things happen on the island, hatch, others, dharma, Jacob + MiB struggle - All this stuff happened in real life, as it were
Then, after having died, those who had the island play a major role in their life meet up in the afterlife to 'move on'.

A simple yes or no will suffice, fill in blanks if you must.

[ecstasy]

WHAT?!?!
I have no idea what actually happened, what was a dream, what was purgatory/heaven/whatever. Why did penny die. When did they all die

WHAT HAPPENED

[[Jay]]

I might be missing something here but what is the island?

Also the ending was not bad at all evrything what that happend on the island was what happend to them during the most important stage of thier life. So season 1-5 are bassically us getting to know the characters and what they went through.

I think the ending is effective because theres answers and more questions.

Great series, sad that its ended :(.

[Tintinnabulate]

Yo well I only watched like the first 5 episodes of lost so I'm not in a position to comment on it but I thought you may find this video interesting blahblahblah.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HWECQa23Cs

That video is quite good.

[LoveToStack]

;6488652']I might be missing something here but what is the island?


There was no explanation of what the island was or for the majority of the mysteries of the island... no matter what the taglines may have told you.
Far as I'm concered, the final was a cop-out in the sense that the mysteries were all sidelined in favour of a "they all got togther in the end, even if they did die" ending. So you leave knowing that:

People formed relationships on an island where crazy **** happened
They died and were happy + went to heaven or 'a better place'.

None of the mysteries were explained. It annoys me because that's why so many people were wrapped up in the show and as Simmzay said, no one cared about the majority of the characters because they had already been wrapped up. I would have preferred someone saying "and they all lived happily after" then 2 hours of psuedo science explanations about the nature of the island.

[ecstasy]

was the flash sideway even a flash sideway? it would make more sense if it was a flash forward. then they dont all necessarily have to have died at the same time. like christian said 'people died before you and long after you' or something along those lines. the flashsideways/forward may have just been some point in the future in which all the main characters were dead, cause everyone dies eventually

i think that makes sense

[Black_Apalachi]

That video is genius.


I'm also glad that they left the answers unanswerd instead of inventing a lame crap explanation, because if they did that it would of lowerd my respect for the writers of Lost alot.

Having a go at some sort of explanation would have been better than dreaming up the most slapdash bunch of nonsense without any intention of explaining it or indeed even planning it, like they did for a good four years. I'm pleased I bailed out after two seasons rather than sticking around for the six-season ride of hope which eventually lead to utter disappointment.

[Art]

I thought the ending was perfect :D I wasn't expecting them to answer all of our questions anyway.

[Tintinnabulate]

I thought the ending was perfect :D I wasn't expecting them to answer all of our questions anyway.

No one was but they didnt answer any main ones. Instead they realised they cant come up with answers for the stuff they just made up along the way to keep us in suspense and just made it about the characters.

What annoys me is they have just been going along with the idea in their head that they wont have to answer anything and they can make up anything because they had it pre-determined that they wont answer anything. All the ending was all of them meeting up. Could have easily done that in two series.

[Lost_Addict]

I believe another series was deffinatley needed to explain the answers. They needed a diffrent ending here like it ends with Jack killing The MiB but then another season of Jack leading the island. and then after the answers were explained they could end it like they did.

Imagine you knew allthe answers and then watched that series finale again. It would of been perfect! But alas they didn't make a 7th series.

[22andy2231]

the final shows are on 2moz nite :O:O cant wait lol. . its so confusing atm like jacks been chosen now but what happens to the rest of them lol im so excited to find out what happens lol

[Tintinnabulate]

the final shows are on 2moz nite :O:O cant wait lol. . its so confusing atm like jacks been chosen now but what happens to the rest of them lol im so excited to find out what happens lol

Finale was on Sunday :P Tomorrow is probably just a repeat :).

[22andy2231]

WOT !!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL i dont have sky tho lol i only have RTE
aghhh i cant wait lol. . .

[Simmzay]

Looking for answers became irrelevant when I no longer cared about the questions. I went into the finale not being interested in any revelations regarding Lost mythos and I believe this was 100% down to the writers and their hatchet job they'd already done on the show. Lost's poor writing all throughout S6 ensured that I wouldn't have to be angry about the finale because by that point I had become so apathetic towards the show. It also means I barely miss it now that it's gone.

[[Jay]]

Well they did kinda answer most questions
The island is the source of life, if the light goes out the island is destroyed and so is the world.
Someone needs to protect that light from people who come to the island.
The statue was a warning to others that the island is bad.
If you think about it you could probably find the answer to the questions.

[Tintinnabulate]

;6489503']Well they did kinda answer most questions
The island is the source of life, if the light goes out the island is destroyed and so is the world.
Someone needs to protect that light from people who come to the island.
The statue was a warning to others that the island is bad.
If you think about it you could probably find the answer to the questions.

So the Island randomly gave Hurley and Miles the power to talk to the dead?
Island randomly did it so you cant give birth there?

There is so much they didn't answer that rewatching it makes it useless as if a main question comes up, we know that we will never know.

[[Jay]]

So the Island randomly gave Hurley and Miles the power to talk to the dead?
Island randomly did it so you cant give birth there?

There is so much they didn't answer that rewatching it makes it useless as if a main question comes up, we know that we will never know.
Miles could talk to the dead before he went to the island.
Not sure on hurley but he must of been affected some how, probably in one of the season you could find an answer.
Also you could give birth on the island remembering that jacob and mib were born there but the bomb which they set of must have made it so they cant have babies.

[ecstasy]

We were never going to get all the answers, or any at all tbh. They came up with so many questions so I dont see why people are disappointed that they didnt get answers for them all - they'd need another season for it

[LoveToStack]

They came up with so many questions so I dont see why people are disappointed that they didnt get answers for them all - they'd need another season for it

They could have answered them in season six. They took the direction of flash sideways, which of course posed more questions, namely what is the flash sideways bla bla bla. And they ended the whole show, only answering that question. It was as if it was being treated as a season finale, ignoring the fact that they all died obviously, in the sense that it only answered the big question of that season. Didn't wrap anything up as a whole.

[ecstasy]

They could have answered them in season six. They took the direction of flash sideways, which of course posed more questions, namely what is the flash sideways bla bla bla. And they ended the whole show, only answering that question. It was as if it was being treated as a season finale, ignoring the fact that they all died obviously, in the sense that it only answered the big question of that season. Didn't wrap anything up as a whole.
Yeah sorry I meant I dont see why people are annoyed that they didnt get any answers in the finale, as if they were expecting everything to be answered at the very end which was never going to happen. They could have answered them during the season but it became pretty obvious that they weren't going to

[LoveToStack]

They could have answered them during the season but it became pretty obvious that they weren't going to

That's what's annoying though. No one watched the show for crappy Kate episodes. It's about the island. It was a cop-out.

[Lost_Addict]

That's what's annoying though. No one watched the show for crappy Kate episodes. It's about the island. It was a cop-out.

Believe me any episode withkate in is not crappy XD lmao infact any scene with her in. :D

[Jord]

RIP Lost. Was a good show! Im gonna miss lost :( Hurleys a legend

[Special]

ive never watched lost so im going to watch all the seasons back to back

im currently on season 1 episode 18 lol

[Black_Apalachi]

ive never watched lost so im going to watch all the seasons back to back

im currently on season 1 episode 18 lol

You've pretty much seen the best of it then.

[[Jay]]

You've pretty much seen the best of it then.

Lol yeh starts going downhill from there.

[jackass]

I was somewhat disappointed with the final episode, due to the lack of answers that were provided.

Walt & Michael? Where were they?!
Walt's powers, never really explained at ALL?
Rules? Who can kill who? Why?
Pregnancy issues? Why do women die that get pregnant on island?
The lighthouse?! What's that all about? Jack?
Who built the four-toed statue? Why?
Why did the smoke monster come out of the source originally, but the light didn't go out?
What IS the smoke monster EXACTLY?
How come Sayid came back to life?
What's the temple all about? Healing properties?
How come there is still a supply drop? Where is it coming from?
Who was in the outrigger chase?
Sayid's victims, who EXACTLY were they? why?
Why did Walt tell John not to "Open it Mr. Locke" in the first series?
Why did Walt keep appearing on the island, EVEN when he was no where near it? (MiB couldn't of took his form, as he wasn't dead)
If MiB couldn't turn into the black smoke over water, or something, how did he appear as Christian on the freighter before Michael died?
And so many more questions left unanswered! Why, Lost, why?!

But i've gotta say, I was pleased with the last minute or so, when it ends with Jack, exactly how it started, as this is what I actually said would be great if this happens (I predicted it!) ;D!

[[Jay]]

I was somewhat disappointed with the final episode, due to the lack of answers that were provided.

Walt & Michael? Where were they?!
Walt's powers, never really explained at ALL?
Rules? Who can kill who? Why?
Pregnancy issues? Why do women die that get pregnant on island?
The lighthouse?! What's that all about? Jack?
Who built the four-toed statue? Why?
The Egypatians as a warning for people not to come to the island "sign of the devil"
Why did the smoke monster come out of the source originally, but the light didn't go out?
What IS the smoke monster EXACTLY?
How come Sayid came back to life?
What's the temple all about? Healing properties?
How come there is still a supply drop? Where is it coming from?
Who was in the outrigger chase?
Sayid's victims, who EXACTLY were they? why?
Why did Walt tell John not to "Open it Mr. Locke" in the first series?
Why did Walt keep appearing on the island, EVEN when he was no where near it? (MiB couldn't of took his form, as he wasn't dead)
If MiB couldn't turn into the black smoke over water, or something, how did he appear as Christian on the freighter before Michael died?
And so many more questions left unanswered! Why, Lost, why?!

But i've gotta say, I was pleased with the last minute or so, when it ends with Jack, exactly how it started, as this is what I actually said would be great if this happens (I predicted it!) ;D!
1 answer best i could do.

[Hecktix]

You know I remember reading the Lost producers saying that half those things would be answered. Anyway I guess this thread can get unstuck soon :(

[[Jay]]

You know I remember reading the Lost producers saying that half those things would be answered. Anyway I guess this thread can get unstuck soon :(
Noooooooooooo :'(
I suppose it is time to let go lol.

[jackass]

;6508782']1 answer best i could do.

Ah okay, at least that's one semi-answered question! :P

But I thought Taweret was a Goddess of childbirth and fertility?!


You know I remember reading the Lost producers saying that half those things would be answered. Anyway I guess this thread can get unstuck soon :(

They lied! And NOOOOOOOO, I can't let go. I refuse. :'(

[LoveToStack]

Thing is, the episodes concerning all things mythological were written by people who weren't Damon Lindelof and Carlton whatshisface. So basically these other writers wrote those episodes by themselves, they only got the go-ahead from the two head writers to put them in the show. So when it came down to the final episode, it was the two head trolls writers who wrote it. Truth be told many of the mythological aspects of the show weren't the ideas of the two people who took most of the credit for them. So in the end where they didn't explain anything it was most likely because the aspects that kept people interested were just put in to do just that - keep people watching. I get the impression now that they never had any intention of explaining things, simply because they didn't care. It wasn't the head writers' material. People can say that explaining everything wouldn't have gone down well with 'the fans', but it would have gone down a whole sight more than not explaining anything and "lol heaven, the end"

tl;dr it was a huge cash cow beyond season three, and they milked it dry and gave no answers.

[Tintinnabulate]

Walt & Michael? Where were they?!

Michael died. Walt's life wasnt affected a great deal by the Island so he wasn't in the purgatory.

Did Desmond see a glimpse of it then when he was put in that room by Widmore and electromagnetism?

[Lost_Addict]

I was somewhat disappointed with the final episode, due to the lack of answers that were provided.

Walt & Michael? Where were they?!
Walt's powers, never really explained at ALL?
Rules? Who can kill who? Why?
Pregnancy issues? Why do women die that get pregnant on island?
The lighthouse?! What's that all about? Jack?
Who built the four-toed statue? Why?
Why did the smoke monster come out of the source originally, but the light didn't go out?
What IS the smoke monster EXACTLY?
How come Sayid came back to life?
What's the temple all about? Healing properties?
How come there is still a supply drop? Where is it coming from?
Who was in the outrigger chase?
Sayid's victims, who EXACTLY were they? why?
Why did Walt tell John not to "Open it Mr. Locke" in the first series?
Why did Walt keep appearing on the island, EVEN when he was no where near it? (MiB couldn't of took his form, as he wasn't dead)
If MiB couldn't turn into the black smoke over water, or something, how did he appear as Christian on the freighter before Michael died?
And so many more questions left unanswered! Why, Lost, why?!

But i've gotta say, I was pleased with the last minute or so, when it ends with Jack, exactly how it started, as this is what I actually said would be great if this happens (I predicted it!) ;D!

Rofl all these are from Lostpedia XD

Also lets ry and get to 4000 posts before its unstuck XD

[Tintinnabulate]

Rofl all these are from Lostpedia XD

Also lets ry and get to 4000 posts before its unstuck XD

There are so many more unanswered ones. I don't / didnt want answers to all as its impossible, but giving us mysteries to keep us in the show is a sly way of keeping us watching. They completely misled us. I only watched the show for its mysteries yet they knew they were never going to answer it. "We will give you all the answers" was just a lie to keep us watching. Morons.

3949.

[Lost_Addict]

I still stick by my, it would of been a great finale ever episode if they had another series in between that actually explained the mysterys.

This season seemed very sqaused trying to get as much back history of the island in one series.

3950

[Tintinnabulate]

I still stick by my, it would of been a great finale ever episode if they had another series in between that actually explained the mysterys.

This season seemed very sqaused trying to get as much back history of the island in one series.

3950

Indeed. But unfortunately there wont be another season :(.

3951

[Black_Apalachi]

God it's so ******* annoying talking about this in real life with proper fan-boys/girls. They just won't accept the fact that IT'S **** BECAUSE OF THE VAST AMOUNT OF RANDOM EVENTS THAT REQUIRE EXPLANATION BUT NEVER GOT ANY.

All my friend keeps bangin on about is that I can't comment because I haven't watched it. The fact is I happily watched the first two seasons when they were first released but since then I have seen, read and heard enough to categorically guarantee that I *will* be disappointed if I waste half my life watching 4 more series of the ****. Basically her logic is that I think it's crap therefore I have to watch it to back up that claim. I'm sorry but it's not up to me to make the effort to make a show have a lasting impression on me - that's up to the show.

At the end of the day, I've yet to hear anybody say; 'Lost was amazing from season one through to season six. There is nothing [or at least not much] I can criticise about it'. So yeah.

/rant soz.

[[Jay]]

The show is still good even thought we didnt get many answers its still worth a watch.
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[Lost_Addict]

God it's so ******* annoying talking about this in real life with proper fan-boys/girls. They just won't accept the fact that IT'S **** BECAUSE OF THE VAST AMOUNT OF RANDOM EVENTS THAT REQUIRE EXPLANATION BUT NEVER GOT ANY.

All my friend keeps bangin on about is that I can't comment because I haven't watched it. The fact is I happily watched the first two seasons when they were first released but since then I have seen, read and heard enough to categorically guarantee that I *will* be disappointed if I waste half my life watching 4 more series of the ****. Basically her logic is that I think it's crap therefore I have to watch it to back up that claim. I'm sorry but it's not up to me to make the effort to make a show have a lasting impression on me - that's up to the show.

At the end of the day, I've yet to hear anybody say; 'Lost was amazing from season one through to season six. There is nothing [or at least not much] I can criticise about it'. So yeah.

/rant soz.

I can see where your freinds come from TBH if one of my freinds came up to me and said i won't like the end of lost 'cause ive seen the first two seasons and have read about it. I would probably reply with: Yes but thats not the true expirience.

But i can understand why its frustrating.

[xtabithax]

No more Lost. -Insert epic sad face- D:

[[Jay]]

No more Lost. -Insert epic sad face- D:
My days thats an epic sad face
Thought on lost the movie where Hurley is running the island but some of the other characters can be involved coz hurley sees dead people.

[Lost_Addict]

;6512378']My days thats an epic sad face
Thought on lost the movie where Hurley is running the island but some of the other characters can be involved coz hurley sees dead people.

That would be nice. and it could actually solve some of the mysteries. Obviously main characters would be Hurley, Ben and desmond as theyre still on the island. But cameos from the other survivors and the "dead" woudl be welcombe

[[Jay]]

That would be nice. and it could actually solve some of the mysteries. Obviously main characters would be Hurley, Ben and desmond as theyre still on the island. But cameos from the other survivors and the "dead" woudl be welcombe

Yeh I think it would be a good movie and yeh we can find out the answers to our questions.

[ecstasy]

Y'never know, they might do a movie to squeeze the last drops of money out of lost, but probably not. I dont think they can answer the questions we want while following an actual storyline at the same time.

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[[Jay]]

Well the storyline could be about the mysteries of the island, Hurley finds out everything and changes the rules :P

[ecstasy]

You'd need more than a movie to answer all the questions though, otherwise it would be like hurley finds out this, then he finds out this, then he discovers something, so that it fits into a movie, which wouldnt work. I think a movie is out of the question anyway :P

[Lost_Addict]

I don't believe so. I believe there could be a flashback system so instead of jsut showing hurleys timeline it also shows the gaps missing from the islands timeline so th story shows two timelines running at the same time, true to the Lost way of storytelling.

[jackass]

Michael died. Walt's life wasnt affected a great deal by the Island so he wasn't in the purgatory.

Did Desmond see a glimpse of it then when he was put in that room by Widmore and electromagnetism?

I know Michael died, I meant in the alt timeline. And Walt was very mysterious, so he SHOULD of been in it, and it wasn't purgatory really, it was just a place THEY made to see each other before they moved on.

And yeah, Desmond gained knowledge of the alt timeline when he was put in that room.


Rofl all these are from Lostpedia XD

Also lets ry and get to 4000 posts before its unstuck XD

I actually wrote those out myself lol...

[Lost_Addict]

I actually wrote those out myself lol...

You might of, i just found it funny that there the exact and only questions unaswered on the Lostwiki, i just thought it's weird how you remember all, and didn't think of any extra.

[jackass]

You might of, i just found it funny that there the exact and only questions unaswered on the Lostwiki, i just thought it's weird how you remember all, and didn't think of any extra.

But there are way more than that? I can see loads. :P

And also, possibly one of the biggest mysteries of all... the numbers. I know it was a part of the Valenzetti Equation, but what was the significance with Hurley, bad luck, and looped/played on several radio/broadcast things even AFTER the tape was changed?!

[[Jay]]

Im sured they answerd the numders?
It was just random numbers.

[jackass]

;6525158']Im sured they answerd the numders?
It was just random numbers.

Nope, the numbers were the core numbers in the Valenzetti Equation (which is the prediction of the end of the world, created by Valenzetti on the island, hired by Hanso for the Dharma Initiative), and they were looped on the radio tower so someone could find away to change them, and therefore change the end of humanity. This is actually canon, yet wasn't described (much) in the episodes themselves.

But it was never explained the relevance to them and everything else to do with Hurley etc. and why they kept appearing everywhere.

[Tintinnabulate]

Nope, the numbers were the core numbers in the Valenzetti Equation (which is the prediction of the end of the world, created by Valenzetti on the island, hired by Hanso for the Dharma Initiative), and they were looped on the radio tower so someone could find away to change them, and therefore change the end of humanity. This is actually canon, yet wasn't described (much) in the episodes themselves.

But it was never explained the relevance to them and everything else to do with Hurley etc. and why they kept appearing everywhere.

The answer to all questions is that it was just there to ensure people keep watching. Unfortunately they lied to us about the fact that we will get lots of answers.

[Verrou]

I think this thread should be closed and moved to the trash :(

[jackass]

I think this thread should be closed and moved to the trash :(

Why, exactly? :P

[Lost_Addict]

I think this thread should be closed and moved to the trash :(

Pontless post much?

I want to close it after 29 more posts so we hit 4000 :D

[ecstasy]

Nope, the numbers were the core numbers in the Valenzetti Equation (which is the prediction of the end of the world, created by Valenzetti on the island, hired by Hanso for the Dharma Initiative), and they were looped on the radio tower so someone could find away to change them, and therefore change the end of humanity. This is actually canon, yet wasn't described (much) in the episodes themselves.

But it was never explained the relevance to them and everything else to do with Hurley etc. and why they kept appearing everywhere.
From Lostpedia
These Numbers correspond somehow to various human and environmental factors, likely meaning that they are somehow embedded in the structure of the universemakes sense

I didnt realise that the aim of the DHARMA Initiative was to alter the numbers - why did they go to the island to attempt to? I always thought that they were on the island for the electromagnetism

[Lost_Addict]

From Lostpedia makes sense

I didnt realise that the aim of the DHARMA Initiative was to alter the numbers - why did they go to the island to attempt to? I always thought that they were on the island for the electromagnetism

Theywere on the sland for it's "unique scientific aspects" or somthing liek that. Well thats what i know rofl XD

[ecstasy]

Oh another unanswered question. Surprising

[Lost_Addict]

lol at ^^

[jackass]

I didnt realise that the aim of the DHARMA Initiative was to alter the numbers - why did they go to the island to attempt to? I always thought that they were on the island for the electromagnetism

They were there for lots of reasons and experiments, and altering the numbers was just one of them. ;)

[ecstasy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrcF7dYADsw

[jackass]

Guys, I think you should all read this stuff, especially quite far down the page, I found it VERY interesting...

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Time_on_the_island_(theory)

[Lost_Addict]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrcF7dYADsw

I lol'd Alot :D



Guys, I think you should all read this stuff, especially quite far down the page, I found it VERY interesting...

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Time_on_the_island_(theory)

Page doesn't work.

[jackass]

Page doesn't work.

It wasn't really hard to just work out to add a bracket to the end of the url. :P

Fixed link: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Time_on_the_island_(theory)

[Lost_Addict]

It wasn't really hard to just work out to add a bracket to the end of the url. :P

Fixed link: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Time_on_the_island_(theory)

TY, Very confusing yet for the most part it would make sence I.e Walt and the supply drops.

[jackass]

Can't believe this thread died! It actually makes me sad. :(

Edited by HotelUser (Forum Moderator): Thread closed, please don't pointlessly bump old threads.

[Deak]

Can't believe this thread died! It actually makes me sad. :(

Because Lost has finished maybe... ?

If anything there should be a "The Event" thread for people who watch it (like me :))

[jackass]

Because Lost has finished maybe... ?

You don't say!

[Deak]

Thats why this thread is dead then and you say its sad... but why would people want to talk about a show which isn't going to be on no more?

Anyway, this thread will now probably be locked because of the bump :P

[jackass]

Thats why this thread is dead then and you say its sad... but why would people want to talk about a show which isn't going to be on no more?

Anyway, this thread will now probably be locked because of the bump :P

Obviously that's why it's dead. It's sad because there is still lots to discuss, even after it has finished!

And probably, yes. ;)

[Fez]

This thread, for all of the things I hate about LOST, should go to 400 pages at least.

[crazed]

I miss lost :(