The Offical F1 Thread #2

[StefanWolves]

im rooting for webber & hamilton

[Deak]

im rooting for webber & hamilton

I am too!

Looks like Alonso will be champion by 2 points at this moment in time... :(

[Deak]

WOW what a race!

Vettel did a great job, did what he needed.
Poor call be Ferrari in my opinion.
Hamilton & Button finished on a very good high note.
Renault's of Petrov & Kubica did brilliantly today.

Unlucky Alonso, ha take that - maybe next time!

Vettel was so emotional - but wow!

SEBASTIAN VETTEL YOU ARE WORLD CHAMPION.

[Conservative,]

At least Alonso didn't win :}

[CJW93]

Nice to see the thread is still alive and well, not a fan of Red Bull but the win was full deserved, a big well done to Red Bull and Sebastian Vettel on a faultless drive today

[Callum.]

Called Vetel to win from prior to first race, even though he lost it. Yay for Seb <3

[Deak]

First time Vettel has been leading the championship - what a time to do it!

Thanks to Renault for holding up Fernando!

[Zak]

Brilliant result, well deserved. He had something ridicolous like 10 poles this season, and if his engine had have blown up in Korea he would have won easily in my view. Awful call by Ferrari to respond to Webber, it was kind of obvious Vettel was more of a threat. Hats off to Petrov, Kubica and Rosberg for getting in the positions they did. Bet Ferrari never expected that.

23 years old. Best formula one season for along time!

[Deak]

Brilliant result, well deserved. He had something ridicolous like 10 poles this season, and if his engine had have blown up in Korea he would have won easily in my view. Awful call by Ferrari to respond to Webber, it was kind of obvious Vettel was more of a threat. Hats off to Petrov, Kubica and Rosberg for getting in the positions they did. Bet Ferrari never expected that.

23 years old. Best formula one season for along time!

Yes it was 10 poles with 5 wins over the season.

Youngest Formula 1 winner now, with Hamilton now 2nd youngest!

The rest of what you said i agree totally!

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That was good though about what they said the 2008, 2009 and 2010 champions all finishing in the top 3!

[Ajthedragon]

I would love to see Vettel partnered with Alonso, Vettel would own him! Hulkenburg likely to be moving from Williams for next season.

[Zak]

To be honest AJ I think Barrichello has out performed Hulkenburg for most of the season.

[Jam]

I would love to see Vettel partnered with Alonso, Vettel would own him! Hulkenburg likely to be moving from Williams for next season.

Where would he even go? He's doing well for himself where he is and has RB to mentor him. Williams (maybe bar Renault) are the best team outside the championship contending teams so he won't move.

[Deak]

I would love to see Vettel partnered with Alonso, Vettel would own him! Hulkenburg likely to be moving from Williams for next season.

Vettel + Alonso is a partnership that would not work well... just like when Alonso was with Hamilton @ McLaren.

Hulkenburg will probably stick with Williams in my opinion.

[Ajthedragon]

To be honest AJ I think Barrichello has out performed Hulkenburg for most of the season.

During the first half of the season - yes.


Where would he even go? He's doing well for himself where he is and has RB to mentor him. Williams (maybe bar Renault) are the best team outside the championship contending teams so he won't move.

Vettel I doubt will ever move from Red Bull, like Hamilton from Mclaren.


Vettel + Alonso is a partnership that would not work well... just like when Alonso was with Hamilton @ McLaren.

Hulkenburg will probably stick with Williams in my opinion.

Williams ousted him in favour of a pay driver.

An the fact it wouldn't work is why I want it. ;)

[Callum.]

If Kubica gets a championship contending car he'll do very well. What a driver.

[Deak]

If Kubica gets a championship contending car he'll do very well. What a driver.

Agreed :D

[Ajthedragon]

If Kubica gets a championship contending car he'll do very well. What a driver.

You could say that about almost every driver, Button being an example of that.

I can't wait to see what Mclaren and Lotus have in store! I hope Force India confirm Hulkenburg and Di Resta too, they're amazing drivers.

[Deak]

Formula 1 stakeholders have reached an agreement for grand prix cars to use a new type of 'green' engine from 2013.
The sport will switch from the current 2.4-litre V8s to 1.6-litre four-cylinder turbo engines with energy recovery systems and fuel restrictions. So another update to trying to make F1 go green... at least the cars will still have the same sort of power in the cars.

KERS is also being upgraded from 60kw to 120kw also in 2013.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9255871.stm

[Callum.]

You could say that about almost every driver, Button being an example of that.

I can't wait to see what Mclaren and Lotus have in store! I hope Force India confirm Hulkenburg and Di Resta too, they're amazing drivers.

If you look at some of the tracks which the true drivers shine at, he always puts in an amazing performance. Look at Monte Carlo a few years back etc.

[Ajthedragon]

If you look at some of the tracks which the true drivers shine at, he always puts in an amazing performance. Look at Monte Carlo a few years back etc.

I know, he did brilliant in a car which was suited to his style. An over-steering Mclaren doesn't, but in the wet conditions he shone. :)

Buttons a good driver, he just likes to have a very exact set-up. He is like Alonso in that respect. Felipe hates the set-up of Alonso-designed Ferraris.

[Deak]

Red Bull's Mark Webber was driving with a broken shoulder for the final four races of the season, it has emerged.

You would have thought that somebody noticed that he was driving with a broken shoulder....?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9260822.stm

[Ajthedragon]

Its an excuse for losing. :P I don't believe he could have been that badly injured.

[Ajthedragon]

http://www.yallaf1.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Release-side-final.jpg

Group Lotus buy the renault team. To be known as Lotus Renault GP.

Using the black and gold too! :O

http://www.yallaf1.com/2010/12/08/lotus-renault-gp-formula-1-team-is-born/

Proper Lotus is back.

[xxMATTGxx]

So now there will be teams with the words "Lotus" in. Dam you F1 people :P

[Deak]

Now thats going to be confusing ... Lotus & Lotus Renault :/

The car does look nice tho :)

[CJW93]

This Lotus malarkey is just plain confusing

[Catzsy]

Wow nice car. My Dad had a lotus Esprit with the JPS colours {same as this but with the adverising) Shame it was a bit old and kept breaking down!

[Ajthedragon]

The thing is, lotuses are quite bad. They break down all the time according to my dad! (He works on them! ;))

Looks like both Lotuses will be battling in court to become the only Lotus.

http://www.yallaf1.com/2010/12/08/fernandes-intends-keeping-team-lotus-name/

[Zak]

http://www.yallaf1.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Release-side-final.jpg

Group Lotus buy the renault team. To be known as Lotus Renault GP

Proper Lotus is back.

That Lotus-Renault looks awful !!!

[CJW93]

The Lotus team from 2010 have a beautiful 2011 car, can't find a link to the picture

[Ajthedragon]

The new Lotus Renault grew on me, its retro.

[Zak]

I've always liked the Renaults. They always have a nicely designed car :)

[Ajthedragon]

I stand by the best looking design was williams.

[Jordy]

The new Lotus Renault is undoubtedly beautiful, can't wait to see that going round and at least it won't be easily confusable with other cars.

[CJW93]

Looks like Team Lotus sticking with the Green and Yellow, great choice

[Ajthedragon]

Looking forward to next year. :)

[Deak]

Looking forward to next year. :)

Me too :D
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So what you guys reckon about the Team Order rule now that it is allowed...?

I think it can have its good points and bad points but i suppose it is 2 drivers in the same team and they should help each other if needed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9275796.stm

[Zak]

Who do you think will be world champion next year then guys?

[Deak]

I think it will be either a McLaren driver, a Ferrari Driver, a Red Bull Driver or a Mercedes driver :P

To be fair i think it will be even closer as it was last season... again it will depend on who can create the best car and which driver can get the best out of it.

[Catzsy]

No team orders next year and more selection in tyres. Engines going down to 1.6 turbo in 2012 estimated to save 35% in fuel

[CJW93]

Lewis Hamilton, I'm biased

[Ajthedragon]

In the right car Hamilton, Vettel, Rosberg or even Schumacher.

[Zak]

I really would love to see Kubica or Sutil in a better car. I really want Kubica to be world champion next year, but it isn't going to happen is it :P

[Deak]

I really would love to see Kubica or Sutil in a better car. I really want Kubica to be world champion next year, but it isn't going to happen is it :P

I agree Kubica would be a good World Champ in the right car as he is constantly getting good results in races... but i agree it wont happen just yet

[Ajthedragon]

Nico Hulkenburg could be a champion too. :(

[Jam]

Nico Hulkenburg could be a champion too. :(

Think he'll end up anywhere or go off to some other series?

[Ajthedragon]

I reckon he'll be reserve next year. :( He'll be back though.

[Zak]

Tbh with Hulkenburg, I swear Barrichello out performed Hulkenburg most of the season.

Not a big fan!

[Ajthedragon]

If you look at the second half, Hulkenburg outperformed him! Since about Hungary he has been nothing more than outstanding. In addition when in the points he has suffered massive tyre degradation which ruined his 6th place in Korea and Petrov took him out in Suzuka, both in which he could have been Rubens.

What you also have to remember is that Rubens is the team leader and will generally have the car more suited to his driving style.

HULKENBERG TO REPLACE MASSA. KTY.

[Deak]

Belgian Jerome D'Ambrosio will partner Germany's Timo Glock in Virgin Racing's Formula 1 driving team next season.

Former GP2 driver D'Ambrosio, 25, replaces Brazilian Lucas di Grassi, who is now without a drive for 2011.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9308738.stm

[Suspective]

I've already got my tickets booked for Silverstone!

Really looking forward to next season...

[CJW93]

Could be sitting at Cospe for 2011 :D

[Deak]

I've already got my tickets booked for Silverstone!

Really looking forward to next season...

Lucky for some, how much they cost ya?

I cant wait for 2011 season too, should be a brill season again!

[Ajthedragon]

Awesome - Lucas Di Grassi didn't really have a chance to show his true potential though. :(

[CJW93]

Di Grassi could be a good fit at Lotus Renault with Kubica. find out what Petrov is doing for 2011 tomorrow

[Ajthedragon]

He'll stay at lotus-renault, he brings them so much money.

[Zak]

Have most drivers been confirmed for next season then? any still undecided?

[Deak]

Have most drivers been confirmed for next season then? any still undecided?

I think they are all just about decided now ...

[Ajthedragon]

Petrov confirmed for two years. Just Force India and Hispania now!

[Jam]

And STR.

[Zak]

You've got to be kidding with Petrov, I thought he was awful. Luizzi was terrible for force india too ! I'm sure i read some where though that he'd been confirmed by force india for next season?

[CJW93]

I hope the Hulk gets a seat at Force India.

Red Bull - Vettel and Webber
McLaren - Hamilton and button
Ferrari - Alonso and Massa
Mercedes - Schumacher and Rosberg
Lotus Renault - Kubica and Petrov
Williams - Barichello and Maldonado
Force India - Sutil and Hulkenberg?
Sauber - Kobayash and Perez
Toro Rosso - Alguersuari and Buemi
Team Lotus - Trulli and Kovalainen
Hispania - Who ever has money, but I think Senna and Giedo van der Garde who debut in Gp this year
Marussia Virgin Glock and d'Ambrosio

[Jam]

I hope that Scottish kid gets the FI seat, he seems to have been waiting a while.

[CJW93]

Di Resta? He is a good driver winnign the Dtm title too

[Jam]

Yeah, he seems a nice guy. Always talks to Five Live when he's not in the car but never complains about his lack of a race seat.

[Ajthedragon]

I'd like The Hulk and Di Resta at force india. It's a refreshing driver line-up.

[Jam]

Yeah I guess, Sutil wasn't too good this season.

[CJW93]

Got an email from McLaren advertising their 2011 team wear. Interestingly enough all of the 2011 shirts are black. Everyone knows they will be leaving Mercedes in a few years time, is this the first sign of McLaren setting themselves away from Mercedes

[Deak]

Got an email from McLaren advertising their 2011 team wear. Interestingly enough all of the 2011 shirts are black. Everyone knows they will be leaving Mercedes in a few years time, is this the first sign of McLaren setting themselves away from Mercedes

Could be... be surely they would wait until it was confirmed before changing things drastically.

[CJW93]

Will be interesting if Mercedes run a more chrome livery this year. Their car looked more white than silver. Here is a picture of the 2011 team wear https://www.mclarenshop.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10551_-1_45676_VMM264

[Ajthedragon]

The car would look awesome in black. :)

[Suspective]

I might get one of those shirts.

I could see Mercedes breaking away from McLaren if the Mercedes team gets more success. Do Mercedes still own shares in McLaren?

[Ajthedragon]

They have less than 10% I believe. I reckon McLaren will sell it and form another partnership with another company in the future. Possibly even BMW, given a history of Le Mans. Although it would be years before that happens.

Black and Red are McLaren's colours as you'd like, the same as red is Ferraris.

[Suspective]

I've been doing some more 'research' and it looks like McLaren may start making their own engines.

[Deak]

Has a pic of the 2011 McLaren car been released or something ^^ ?

[Suspective]

Nope. I really hope they ditch the chromium style. It was exciting when it was first released but it is getting a bit boring now and its being put to shame by other constructors. Hopefully, they'll have a black car :)

[Deak]

Hmm, would be interesting McLaren having a black car for a change.

[CJW93]

It's pretty much all speculation, McLaren tend to always launch their 2011 challenger a day after Ferrari which is in January. Not too long to wait :)

[Jam]

No black to two black, both with a hint of red from sponsors.

[Ajthedragon]

Only problem is, they'll look like Virgins.

They might just be using black for merchandise.

[Jam]

Forgot about Virgin. Maybe some Marussia blue will get put on those.

[Ajthedragon]

The cars would look pretty silly though! Maybe they'll change the colours slightly to suit all the sponsorship. Lotus-Renault are rumoured to be revealing their 2011 challenger at the Autosport Show on the 15th.

[Jam]

Has any more been said about a buyer for HRT? It would be nice to see some funding for them come through, don't want to see a team fold midway through a championship, or any time infact.

[CJW93]

HRT apparently have a big sponsor apparently to be announced soon, according to Kolles it is one on Spain's biggest companies. However they may not even have a new chasis for 2011 and may have to run their 2010 challenger with small upgrades

[Suspective]

That would really put HRT at the back of the field. Its a shame they fell out with Toyota, it could of given them a small boost if they started a partnership with them.

[CJW93]

All they have going for them is a Williams gearbox and a dog of a 2010 car

[Jam]

Wasn't it Stefan GP that was going to use Toyota chassis? Absolute rubbish they haven't been allowed in yet again.

[Ajthedragon]

Yeah, but they didn't think they needed any more new teams. :P

Otherwise Ajthedragon GP ftw. ;)

[Jam]

If they didn't 'think' they needed more teams why did they open applications for a 14th team?

[Ajthedragon]

Because they had an extra space on the grid due to US GP pulling out, and they considered the new teams this year an embarrasment. What they really want is manufactures that can just create a team and be fighting for the tops 10 places. Rather than racing teams which will build themselves up, like Manor (Virgin), Lotus and HRT.

[Suspective]

Its as there isn't many reliable large car producing companies involved these days. So you aren't really going to get any decent teams coming in.

The only large manufacturers really involved these days are Ferrari and Mercedes.

[Ajthedragon]

BMW and VW (Although under the Porche brand) may be considering returns to Formula 1 possibly for the arrival of the new engines in 2013. Renault will continue it's engine development in Formula 1 as well.

[Jam]

US GP pulled out of the 2010 season, they rejected Stefan GP's applications for the 2010 and 2011 seasons.

[Ajthedragon]

They were another team which would have to be built up though!

[Jam]

He has an infrastructure, millions of pounds, Toyota chassis ready to use, the staff from Toyota F1, the backing of the Serbian government and was pushing for a Serbian Grand Prix. They were perfect but the selection process is corrupt. Prodrive has teams in many competitions and had the use of the Aston Martin name but they were rejected.

[Ajthedragon]

Ahh the thread is beginning to die!

http://www.yallaf1.com/2011/01/10/patrick-head-weve-built-an-adventurous-car/

I'd love to see Williams back on top! :D

[Deak]

I agree this thread is beginning to die but come the time when the cars are released and the 1st race is upon us i reckon it may get more active... hopefully

[Ajthedragon]

Guess so, ahh the excitement! :) Red Bull's car will be a beast.

[Jam]

Sauber and Williams will challenge Lotus Renault this season, I hope.

[Ajthedragon]

I wish all could challenge each other.

[CJW93]

Great that F1 will be in full Hd next season :D

[Jam]

Yup, just need to save for a DVB-T2 tuner card now.

[Deak]

F1 in HD... OMG i have no HD TV :(

[Jam]

Even the end of last year with upscaled HD meaning the overscan edges were gone was great.

[Ajthedragon]

I have no HD input! AHHH! :(

[Ajthedragon]

Williams will be ready for the first test!

http://www.yallaf1.com/2011/01/18/williams-to-run-new-car-at-first-valencia-test/

[CJW93]

51 days to go! :D

[Deak]

51 days to go! :D

Cant wait... this season will be the best so far i reckon :D

Hopefully the title race will be as close or closer as it was in last year championships

[Ajthedragon]

I hope the pace of the cars is similar. Qualifying was quite boring last year. :( Red Bull were too damn quick! :D

[CJW93]

Looking for McLaren to have the Qualy performance of Red Bull in 2011 :D

[Ajthedragon]

I hope Mclaren, Mercedes and Ferrari do. Preferably Mclaren ofc. ;)

[Deak]

I hope Mclaren, Mercedes and Ferrari do. Preferably Mclaren ofc. ;)

I agree i would like qualifying and the race pace between McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes, Red Bull is similar but with McLaren slightly better and faster :D

[Ajthedragon]

I want Nico Hulkenburg on McLaren as the third driver.

[Deak]

Scot Paul di Resta is poised to seal a deal to race for Force India and become the third British driver in Formula 1.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9368179.stm

Glad to see another british driver coming through!

Grr why cant the season just start now... please :/

[Ajthedragon]

I want Hulkenburg. :(

[Deak]

I'm sure most of you will already know about most drivers who will be in F1 next year, but if you didnt here's the current line up of teams and confirmed drivers & the number which will be allocated to them and their cars :)

1) Sebastian Vettel – Red Bull
2) Mark Webber – Red Bull
3) Lewis Hamilton - McLaren
4) Jenson Button - McLaren
5) Fernando Alonso - Ferrari
6) Felipe Massa - Ferrari
7) Michael Schumacher – Mercedes GP
8) Nico Rosberg – Mercedes GP
9) Robert Kubica - Renault
10) Vitaly Petrov - Renault
11) Rubens Barichello - Williams
12) Pastor Maldonado - Williams
14) TBC – Force India
15) TBC – Force India
16) Kamui Kobayashi - Sauber
17) Sergio Perez - Sauber
18) Sebastien Buemi – Toro Rosso
19) Jaime Alguersuari – Toro Rosso
20) Jarno Trulli - Lotus
21) Heikki Kovalainen - Lotus
22) Narain Karthieyan - HRT
23) TBC - HRT
24) Timo Glock - Virgin
25) Jerome d’Ambrosio - Virgin

[Ajthedragon]

If I were Nico Rosberg I would slam Michael Schumacher for not racing should he race with an even number.

[Deak]

If I were Nico Rosberg I would slam Michael Schumacher for not racing should he race with an even number.

I know its not going to make a difference if you have an odd or an even number... the only difference will be how good you drive in the car & the input you give as the driver

[CJW93]

Force India have one hell of a team if they can get The Hulk as reserve. Sutil, Di Resta and Hulkenberg is some team

[Ajthedragon]

Force India have one hell of a team if they can get The Hulk as reserve. Sutil, Di Resta and Hulkenberg is some team

Irony how a team like them have better drivers than Red Bull.

[Ajthedragon]

Paul Di Resta will be confirmed tomorrow I believe. No Nico Hulkenburg. :(

[Ajthedragon]

It's official.

Nico Hulkenburg is Force India reserve, while Paul Di Resta is driver no.2.

http://www.yallaf1.com/2011/01/26/it%E2%80%99s-official-di-resta-is-2011-force-india-driver/

[Deak]

1) Sebastian Vettel – Red Bull
2) Mark Webber – Red Bull
3) Lewis Hamilton - McLaren
4) Jenson Button - McLaren
5) Fernando Alonso - Ferrari
6) Felipe Massa - Ferrari
7) Michael Schumacher – Mercedes GP
8) Nico Rosberg – Mercedes GP
9) Robert Kubica - Renault
10) Vitaly Petrov - Renault
11) Rubens Barichello - Williams
12) Pastor Maldonado - Williams
14) Adrian Sutil – Force India
15) Paul Di Resta – Force India
16) Kamui Kobayashi - Sauber
17) Sergio Perez - Sauber
18) Sebastien Buemi – Toro Rosso
19) Jaime Alguersuari – Toro Rosso
20) Jarno Trulli - Lotus
21) Heikki Kovalainen - Lotus
22) Narain Karthieyan - HRT
23) TBC - HRT
24) Timo Glock - Virgin
25) Jerome d’Ambrosio - Virgin

So just the one driver from HRT to be confirmed for the 2011 season...

43 days to go!

[Ajthedragon]

Couldn't care less who gets that one. :P

[Deak]

Couldn't care less who gets that one. :P

lol me neither... at least the rest of the line up is sorted and there are no big changes

[Ajthedragon]

Frankly I feel sorry for whoever gets it.

[Deak]

FRIDAY = FERRARI 2011 CAR UNVEILED

So Ferrari will be the first to show what their car looks like...

BBC Sport Article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9378005.stm)

[Ajthedragon]

I hope they have competitive pace, rather than out-right pace like Red Bull had. :P

[Deak]

I hope they have competitive pace, rather than out-right pace like Red Bull had. :P

We'll find out after the first 3-4 races what quali / race pace the teams have ... but i agree hopefully we get a really competitive season like the end of last year

[Ajthedragon]

The only trully brilliant qualifying sessions of last year were Bahrain, China, Canada, Turkey, Spa, Monza, Brazil (simply due to the oddness of it!) and Abu Dhabi. That's under half, which is pretty bad really.

[Ajthedragon]

http://www.yallaf1.com/2011/01/28/ferrari-f150-first-2011-f1-car-to-break-cover/

What a beautiful car, the best Ferrari I think I've ever seen. I love the way it curves and stuff. Beauty.

[Deak]

It looks really nice actually... hopefully it will perform well but just not as good as the McLarens carrying Jenson & Lewis :P :)

[Ajthedragon]

haha, I don't like Ferrari's cockiness.

[Deak]

haha, I don't like Ferrari's cockiness.

I dont like Ferrari at all because they are McLarens rivals and i also hate Fernando Alonso i think he's just too big headed and think he's the best F1 driver in the world.

I do like Massa and i want him to be faster and better than Alonso this year too :D

[Ajthedragon]

Alonso is not a nice person. Massa seems like a nice, kind chap though. He just needs a car for him with tyres that he likes.

[Deak]

Alonso is not a nice person. Massa seems like a nice, kind chap though. He just needs a car for him with tyres that he likes.

I agree with what you are saying ... but... most of the drivers would do well with a good car and set(s) of tyres

[Ajthedragon]

Some drivers just adapt though, Lewis in that dog of a McLaren in 2009, he had essentially a third place in Australia. Alonso got his 2009 Renault third place in Singapore also. Some drivers just have a niche.

[Ajthedragon]

http://www.mercedes-gp.com/en/#/category/race/- They unveiled their digital image of the car on twitter.

[Deak]

http://www.mercedes-gp.com/en/#/category/race/- They unveiled their digital image of the car on twitter.

Looks decent... but cant wait to see it in real and not in a 3D image

[Ajthedragon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9381786.stm

No fins! Yay! The Sauber looks awful, I like the Team Lotus car!

[Banana Pancakes]

I really like that Renault colour scheme, looking good!

[Deak]

Looking good... bring on Friday and the release of the new McLaren 2011 car :D

[Jam]

Yeah the Sauber doesn't look too good but if it brings in the money then so be it.

[Ajthedragon]

I hope McLaren so something a little different to their lively, all the others team seem to have had some sort of change, even Ferrari!

[Ajthedragon]

http://www.formula1.com/gallery/testing/2011/560.html

The Red Bull from the side looks hideous. They should ditch the fin.

[Ajthedragon]

http://www.yallaf1.com/2011/02/03/kubica-ends-valencia-testing-on-high-note/ - Kubica fastest.

McLaren unveils at 11am GMT! :)

[Ajthedragon]

http://mclaren.com/home.

New Mclaren -

http://www.yallaf1.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/dne1104fe04-500x331.jpg

Look at all the air ducts on it. Hope it drives as well as it looks. :P

[Deak]

http://mclaren.com/home.

New Mclaren -

http://www.yallaf1.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/dne1104fe04-500x331.jpg

Look at all the air ducts on it. Hope it drives as well as it looks. :P

That looks absolutely brill... hopefully it will be really quick for Lewis & Jenson :D

[Ajthedragon]

McLaren usually he a really curvy car, so something must be radical on this.

[Deak]

Formula 1 star Robert Kubica suffered fractures to his right arm, leg and hand and is undergoing surgery after a rally crash in Italy on Sunday morning.
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So hes now going to miss the first few races of the season so either Bruno Senna or Roman Grosjean will take his place...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9388940.stm

[Catzsy]

Just heard this on the news myself. Bad news for Lotus. He could have done really well this season.

[Deak]

He still can do but obviously with just less races then everyone else

[Jam]

Bugger. Really hoped he could push for the WDC this year, nice guy.

[Ajthedragon]

This is so sad, it's likely that Bruno Senna will be promoted to a race seat.

[Deak]

This is so sad, it's likely that Bruno Senna will be promoted to a race seat.

I do think he will be the most likely out of him & Grosjean to start in Bahrain
---
Just seen the breaking news on Kubica... he's undergone 7 hours of surgery and may need a year to regain full use of his right hand...

So, no Kubica for 2011 then if thats true

[Ajthedragon]

There is also a chance they might buy out Hulkenburg from his long-term contract at force india. I think that given Kubica was their no.1 driver, they wouldn't want to replace him with someone they know little knowledge of in terms of their capability in faster cars.

On a sadder note, Kubica is currently in an induced coma.

[Ajthedragon]

It's been announced he won't be back for several months. www.lotusrenaultgp.com

[Callum.]

Ah such a sad situation. Was really hoping he'd be a contender this year as it's obvious what he can do. Hopefully he makes a solid return, and that this isn't the end.

[Deak]

Ah such a sad situation. Was really hoping he'd be a contender this year as it's obvious what he can do. Hopefully he makes a solid return, and that this isn't the end.

Agreed thought he would have been one of the title contenders or just behind the top teams.... I hope he does make a return at the end of 2011 or in the 2012 season as he's a great driver

[Ajthedragon]

He might do a Massa though, and it could affect his long-term ability to drive fast! Massa hasn't been the same since.

[Deak]

He might do a Massa though, and it could affect his long-term ability to drive fast! Massa hasn't been the same since.

True... i like Massa even tho he is a Ferrari driver & would like him to do well :)

[Ajthedragon]

Like I say, Massa should of won in '08, and Lewis in '07.

[Catzsy]

I wonder whether he will actually be able to come back from this. Apparently he has already had major surgery on his arm and pins in it. Massa came back but this is multiple injuries. I really hope so.

[Ajthedragon]

The serious drivers in contention are Heidfeld, Hulkenburg, Senna and Liuzzi.

Personly, I would go with Hulkenburg, knowing he could actually win the championship. Liuzzi and Senna I think are too risky, and the old dog Heidfeld has had his day. The only problem being Hulkenburg still lacks experience himself, however this was never a problem when Lewis led Mclaren from 2008-present.

[Ajthedragon]

It's between Senna & Heidfeld.

http://lotusrenaultgp.com/spip.php?article3997


Lotus Renault GP has revised its driver line-up for this week’s test session in Jerez de la Frontera, Spain.

Vitaly will drive the R31 on Thursday and Friday, as originally scheduled. For Saturday and Sunday, the team will give mileage to Bruno Senna and will also evaluate Nick Heidfeld, who is a potential replacement for Robert Kubica as a race driver. The exact running order for the weekend will be confirmed on Friday evening.

[Ajthedragon]

http://www.yallaf1.com/2011/02/12/jerez-day-3-heidfeld-fastest-makes-a-point/

I think Heidfeld has it!

[Jam]

Hope he impresses and they have Heidfeld & Kubica in 2012, not a fan of Petrov.

[Ajthedragon]

In addition, the Williams and Barrichello was fastest today! The fastest time of the whole weekend.

I hope Heidfeld and Kubica and reunited in 2012. I think Schumacher, Sutil and Glock should make way for Hulkenburg.

[craig1709]

Taken from www.bbc.co.uk/sport:

'Nick Heidfeld will drive for Renault for the foreseeable future after it was announced that the German is to replace the injured Robert Kubica.

Pole Kubica suffered multiple fractures and a partially severed right hand in a rally crash earlier this month.

Heidfeld said: "I'm motivated and can't wait for the season to begin."

The announcement comes as no great surprise after the 33-year-old impressed in a test at Jerez in Spain, setting the fastest time on Saturday.

Heidfeld was Kubica's team-mate at BMW Sauber for three-and-a-half years from 2006 to 2009 and is a highly experienced driver, having started 172 Formula 1 races over the last 11 seasons.

"I would have liked to come back to Formula 1 in different circumstances, but I'm proud to have been given this chance," added Heidfeld.'

I personally had the gut feeling that Heidfeld would get the job when he topped the practice session at Jerez last week. Would be good to see Kubica make a return with Heidfeld, I always liked the partnership down at BMW Sauber.

Thoughts?

P.S Yeah, I spelt Heidfeld wrong. D:

[Jam]

I think the Lada Motors deal is done due to Lotus so Petrov will be out of a drive come 2012. Doubt a smaller team can afford him smashing chassis left, right and center.

[Deak]

I've always thought Heidfeld is a good driver and thought he would have got a drive for this season - yes i know he has now... but originally before Kubica did the crash...

Hope Kubica comes back at the end of 2011 and even stronger in 2012 :)

[Ajthedragon]

The problem is he's german, and there are too many good german drivers. I'm glad he's racing, although at the cost of another great driver.

[Deak]

Thoughts on the Bahrain situation ... do you reckon that the race will still be going on or not?

I think that it wont go ahead but they may do the race at a later stage of the season...

[Ajthedragon]

Bahrain was boring anyway. Rosberg fastest in testing today, and fastest so far throughtout the weekend.

[Suspective]

Testing in Bahrain is [set to be] called off.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9402871.stm

:(

[Jordy]

Yeah Reuters and AP now reporting that the organisers have called it off. I'm kinda sad it delays the F1 season, however I'm by no means a fan of the Bahrain Grand Prix, it's so boring that the season always seems to kick off on a downer. Definitely one of the better Grand Prixs to postpone (or cancel for all I care).

Here's to hoping there's also civil unrest in Valencia and Singapore in the future ;)

[Suspective]

I agree with you, the only reason they are out there is because of the money. It has no legacy nor history, and it is pretty bland.

Is the season going to start one week or two weeks later? :P

[xxMATTGxx]

I agree with you, the only reason they are out there is because of the money. It has no legacy nor history, and it is pretty bland.

Is the season going to start one week or two weeks later? :P

First race was suppose to be on 13th March I believe and now it's been pushed back to the 27th so that's two weeks?

[Deak]

So now we gotta wait longer for the season to start :(

Ahh well.. roll on 25th - 27th March in Australia then :D

[Suspective]

Australlia is a brilliant race and a great place to start the season. So bring it on! :P

[Deak]

Roll on 25-27th March :D

[Ajthedragon]

This is a life line for teams like McLaren and Mercedes, struggling to make their cars work.

[Deak]

This is a life line for teams like McLaren and Mercedes, struggling to make their cars work.

But it also gives the other teams to strengthen their cars too ...

[Ajthedragon]

Granted. But do they stand to gain as much? :)

[Deak]

Granted. But do they stand to gain as much? :)

Depends really what they try to change / better within the extra couple of weeks really

[Ajthedragon]

Testing kicks off again, webber fastest.

[Deak]

Really excited now for the new season to begin :D

[Ajthedragon]

McLaren are so slow though. :(

I hope Ferrari can challenge red bull for the win!

[Deak]

So we are getting closer to the return of formula one...
From what ive heard and seen looks like the title race will be between Ferrari and Red Bull... Hopefully McLaren will have a late upgrade which will make it a title contender

[Ajthedragon]

And Renault and Mercedes. Hoping Nico will do well. :)

[Deak]

And Renault and Mercedes. Hoping Nico will do well. :)

True, it would make it more interesting if a few cars / drivers can win the championships... but being a McLaren fan i want McLaren to win :D

[Ajthedragon]

I want good, close racing. Be boring if just McLaren won. ;)

[Deak]

I want good, close racing. Be boring if just McLaren won. ;)

Yeah i want close races too ... As long as McLaren win more points / races :)

[Deak]

This time next week the first race of 2011 will have been complete and we will know who has set off well...

Woo getting excited now!

[Ajthedragon]

I hope Lewis signs for Red Bull next year. :(

[Deak]

I hope Lewis signs for Red Bull next year. :(

That will never happen! He is McLaren all the way! Only time i reckon he'd leave is if McLaren went rubbish or he had a fall out

[Suspective]

I hope Lewis signs for Red Bull next year. :(

I do to! :P

You never know, if McLaren have another season not winning much or any major silverware - they could easily tempt him with some cash and more opportunities. I doubt however, if he would want to be made No. 2 to Vettel.

[Ajthedragon]

I do to! :P

You never know, if McLaren have another season not winning much or any major silverware - they could easily tempt him with some cash and more opportunities. I doubt however, if he would want to be made No. 2 to Vettel.

He could easily prove himself against Vettel.

[Deak]

So we are underway!

Practice 1: Webber set the fastest time
Practice 2: Button set the fastest time

Obviously we dont fully know what fuel load, etc. were being used...

Roll on qualifying tommorow and lets see can get the first pole of the season!

Prediction: Vettel 1 - Alonso 2 - Webber 3

[Suspective]

I've got my alarm set for tomorrow morning.

Also looks like Hamilton has pledged his support for the team and said he isn't looking at moving at this moment in time.

[Ajthedragon]

Brilliant qualifying result! Hamilton ftw tomorrow!

[Deak]

Glad hamilton has come out and said hes commited to McLaren :)

So, first qualifying is over and suprise suprise Vettel came out on top...
Glad to see Lewis & Jenson 2nd & 4th with Webber placed in 3rd.

Hopefully it will be a good tight race to kick start the season!

[Ajthedragon]

Predictable result but fantastic drives from Vitaly and Perez! Sauber did brilliant to clinch 7th and 8th. I worry Lewis might be penalised because of his broken floor though. :(

[Deak]

Predictable result but fantastic drives from Vitaly and Perez! Sauber did brilliant to clinch 7th and 8th. I worry Lewis might be penalised because of his broken floor though. :(

Not seen the race (yet) but what a result that was for Petrov & Perez... Couldnt have asked for a better start than that!

Why would Lewis get a penalty if something was broken on his car, he still finished the race and i would guess that it didnt harm any other driver...

[xxMATTGxx]

Not seen the race (yet) but what a result that was for Petrov & Perez... Couldnt have asked for a better start than that!

Why would Lewis get a penalty if something was broken on his car, he still finished the race and i would guess that it didnt harm any other driver...

There's some rules on the floor with that wooden plank they have or something, forgot what they name it.

In regards of Sauber;

Sergio Perez and Kamui Kobayashi disqualified from the Australian GP

The FIA says the Sauber breach was to do with the uppermost rear wing element, but no more details at the moment

[Deak]

There's some rules on the floor with that wooden plank they have or something, forgot what they name it.

In regards of Sauber;

Sergio Perez and Kamui Kobayashi disqualified from the Australian GP

The FIA says the Sauber breach was to do with the uppermost rear wing element, but no more details at the moment

Just watching the highlights now, i didnt know there was a rule about the bottom plank - i do now though!

[Suspective]

Really disappointing to hear that the Sauber drivers have been disqualified, they had a brilliant race.


"This is a very surprising and disappointing result,"

"It appears that there is a question over the top surface of the uppermost rear wing element; this area is not the working surface of the component and therefore relatively unimportant to its function.

"Certainly this has not lead to any performance advantage. We are checking the design of the parts now to better.''

Sounds a bit unfair to me especially since Perez performed brilliantly today, and it has really put the team down. It isn't even the drivers fault, they would of been better just taking off the constructors points and/or issuing a fine and ordering them to fix it.

[Deak]

I thought the FIA checked all of the cars to make sure they meet the regulations before a season starts... Which means the problem would have been picked up :/

[Ajthedragon]

You'd of thought it. I guess it's one of those things. Nobody realised Red Bull weren't using KERS either.

[Ajthedragon]

What a qualifying spectacular! Lewis could've had it!

[Deak]

Not seen qualifying, but glad to see Lewis 2nd :)

[Suspective]

He was so close to pole and Vettel only just pipped it. :P

Hopefully he'll have a good race though, and manage to overtake and grab the win.

[Deak]

He was so close to pole and Vettel only just pipped it. :P

Hopefully he'll have a good race though, and manage to overtake and grab the win.

Oh yes, Hamilton leading after the first corner would be very nice! I might just have to get up early & watch the race :)

[Deak]

Good race today, Heidfeld overtaking Lewis into 1st corner and finishing 3rd at the end - well done to him.
Vettel did what he needed to do and he was helped when Lewis slowed down.
Glad to see JB finishing 2nd too!

[Deak]

Alonso & Hamilton given 20 sec penalties... That means no change in position for Alonso, but Hamilton has been demoted from 7th to 8th place.

I didnt even think it was Hamiltons fault, but suppose its down to what the stewards think.

[Suspective]

It wasn't really, and the only reason he got a penalty was because he allegedly 'changed direction.' No doubt Ferrari had a whine and knew the punishment - so weren't to bothered (as Fernando didn't even lose a place)

I thought it was a good race today, and it was good to see Jenson pulling off a second and proving his worth. He is four points clear of Lewis now, so that has got to be something to be proud of even if its race 2. I'm really hoping that Lewis or Jenson can knock him off his perch next weekend in China, as they deserve a win. Mercedes are still doing rubbish though and putting on a pretty disappointing show. I was watching the F1 Forum, and they seemed to think that Hamilton was waiting for a call from Red Bull and ready to start negations. It would be good to see Hammy at Red Bull, as surely he can't stay at McLaren forever?

All in all a good day. Roll on China next week! :D

[Ajthedragon]

Pirelli has made F1 artificial. It should be about racing imo.

[Suspective]

I agree. Its Bernie most of the time, he wants artificial rain and sprinklers now. Anyway, I'm looking forward to China :D

Hopefully Jenson can win.

[Suspective]

Watched Second Practice earlier today on the BBC site, and Vettel's Red Bull is still blowing everybody else away. I didn't realize qualifying was on at 6am tomorrow, not sure whether or not to wake up in time for it (I usually end up doing so!)

Lewis has also dismissed claims that he'll only be staying at McLaren during his whole career, quite rightly. They seem to think they own him and that he'll stay even if they stop being competitive. All Lewis wants to do is win championships and if there is a better offer on the table - I'm sure he'll jump at the chance as EJ said last week.

It looks like it'll be a fun weekend.

[Ajthedragon]

Mark Webber out - Q1!

[Deak]

Not seen highlights yet... but seen positions they are starting from...

I'm guessing Webber had a problem with traffic or his car or had an accident (obviously i'll see once i watch the highlights)

Glad to see JB & LH in 2nd & 3rd.... Obviously Vettel came 1st again ( boring, lol :P )

I'm predicting this for the run to the first corner:

Vettel will be covering Button and Hamilton will sneak past into 1st place :)

[Suspective]

I think Webber just had a bad session, there was nothing obvious to suggest he had any problems and traffic was non-existent.

Its going to be a good race though and hopefully Jenson or Lewis will be able to fight for a win as McLaren deserve to win a race after all the hard work they've put in. Its all about the start though, so hopefully Button can slip past Vettel. :P

[xxMATTGxx]

What a fantastic race this weekend, Lewis did amazing and congratulations to him and McLaren for P1. Also a very well done to Mark Webber considering he started 18th and got to 3rd.

[Deak]

lol ive just woke up and read the commentary & it read like a great race!(will be watching full race later)
Well done to Lewis & to Webber too who must have had a brilliant drive as i never thought he would get a podium finish after qualifying yesterday!

[Ajthedragon]

A fantastic race! The best since Canada last year!

[Zak]

I think artificial rain could bring so much to F1. I really like the idea, I remember Silverstone one year not too long ago in the rain, that race was amazing - also it sets the true racing drivers and amateurs apart :P

[N!ck]

I think artificial rain could bring so much to F1. I really like the idea, I remember Silverstone one year not too long ago in the rain, that race was amazing - also it sets the true racing drivers and amateurs apart :P

But it would most definitely be seen as "fixing" the outcome.

Depending on when the button is pressed to turn it on it could ruin the front runner's race and selectively give advantage to pretty much any driver.

[Deak]

Great race again today, with a lot of over taking!

Its a shame that Hamilton had the problem in the pit stop & Button with the tyre strategy, but 4th & 6th is still a good points place finish.

Vettel - what can other teams do to catch up with him?!

[Ajthedragon]

Vettel and Red Bull ruining F1 by being so good. :(

I didn't really enjoy the race, the overtaking was too artificial.

[Deak]

Vettel and Red Bull ruining F1 by being so good. :(

I didn't really enjoy the race, the overtaking was too artificial.

I agree the introduction of the DRS system makes it easy to overtake & something should be done where its not as easy to overtake.

I think the Kers should stay as then it would be who can develop it the best / fastest as it is fair as both drivers will have the same technology to use.

[Ajthedragon]

KERs should stay because it can help hybrid technology. F1 is all about new technology's after all.

[Ajthedragon]

What a race....!

McLaren are really showing speed through those lower speed high curb sections...!

Will they be good in Monaco? Only time will tell!

[Deak]

What a race....!

McLaren are really showing speed through those lower speed high curb sections...!

Will they be good in Monaco? Only time will tell!

Yep, it was a brill race today & i really though Lewis would get past Vettel during those final 10 laps or so...

Jenson did well after going back to 10th after the first corner to finish 3rd.

Regarding Monaco next week, as you say, only time will tell what will happen!

[Catzsy]

Hope the boys don't get penalised for not slowing down for a yellow flag though. :(

[Deak]

Hope the boys don't get penalised for not slowing down for a yellow flag though. :(

Oh yeah, i forgot about that!

I hope they dont get penalised either!

[Catzsy]

Oh yeah, i forgot about that!

I hope they dont get penalised either!

Hopefully it will be a 10 second penalty or something like that so it will not make a difference.

[Ajthedragon]

No penalties, just a slap on the wrist for Webber and the McLaren drivers. What we may also have to look out for in Monaco is Vitaly Petrov in the Renault, Fernando in the Ferrari or Rosberg in the Merc. They all have natural talent which makes a massive difference around Monaco.

And typically this isn't Vettel's favourite circuit, so mark should have an edge here.

[Deak]

Glad to see that no penalties have been given!

After todays race i cantreally predict what will happen, but it would be nice to see a renault or some others up nearer the front instead of always being Vettel

[Catzsy]

No penalties, just a slap on the wrist for Webber and the McLaren drivers. What we may also have to look out for in Monaco is Vitaly Petrov in the Renault, Fernando in the Ferrari or Rosberg in the Merc. They all have natural talent which makes a massive difference around Monaco.

And typically this isn't Vettel's favourite circuit, so mark should have an edge here.


Glad to see that no penalties have been given!

After todays race i cantreally predict what will happen, but it would be nice to see a renault or some others up nearer the front instead of always being Vettel

Yes. Excellent news. Yes Monaco is a very different track to all the others - power and speed are not so important. Could be interesting result.

[Ajthedragon]

Well what a disastrous qualifying that was. Poor Sergio, that was a massive impact; glad he's ok.

On the racing side of things, I'm utterly disappointed Lewis won't be able to compete for the win. Lets hope he does some good overtaking, he'll need to.

[rld]

Monaco Qualifying: Schumacher gets 5th but spends most time on track.

[Deak]

Glad to hear the news that Perez is recovering well from his crash...
Vettel or Button will win the race & i also predict at least 1 safety car...

[Ajthedragon]

Button will get him off the line - he usually does. I reckon he has a good chance tomorrow.

[Deak]

If Vettels KERS fails to work then Button will win!

[Deak]

Wow! That was a great race to say its normally a boring race!

Lots of incidents too! Hope hamilton gets no penalty but then again even if he gets a 20-30 second penalty it wont make no difference to his finishing place.

Vettel was lucky at the end when the race got red flagged meaning he could sort his tyres out...

[Deak]

20 second penalty given to Hamilton which means he still finished in 6th place...

[Ajthedragon]

What a stupid unfair result. If it hadn't been for the safety car and further red flag the race was Button's. They need to change the regulation about working on cars when on the track: that result was so unfair.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD8T8_JR4Mw&feature=player_embedded

And frankly after Lewis's weekend I'm not judging him on what he said (I thought it rather funny). At the end if the day I get furious sometimes and he has had the worst luck in the past two days. I thought Pastor was in the wrong for that incident, but then again Lewis needs to be able to admit when he does wrong. He has to stop blaming everyone else. Canada should see a change in fortunes... I just hope Lewis has the right frame of mind going into the next race.

And Massa and Hamilton are officially at war.

[Deak]

What a stupid unfair result. If it hadn't been for the safety car and further red flag the race was Button's. They need to change the regulation about working on cars when on the track: that result was so unfair.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD8T8_JR4Mw&feature=player_embedded

And frankly after Lewis's weekend I'm not judging him on what he said (I thought it rather funny). At the end if the day I get furious sometimes and he has had the worst luck in the past two days. I thought Pastor was in the wrong for that incident, but then again Lewis needs to be able to admit when he does wrong. He has to stop blaming everyone else. Canada should see a change in fortunes... I just hope Lewis has the right frame of mind going into the next race.

And Massa and Hamilton are officially at war.

I agree that they shouldnt be able to do changes during a red flag situation & should only be done at pit stops.

Martin Whitmarsh will have or will speak to Lewis to sort him out.

Massa v Hamilton = bring it on :P

[Ajthedragon]

Massa's rubbish anyway.

[Waaaak]

Messy race at Monaco thats for sure. Not happy with the result either but eh, good for Vettel, I guess.