Habbo caught up in child sex scandal / Habbo Mute [Archive] - Page 4

FlyingJesus

13-06-2012, 06:30 PM

Online, the percentage is higher for girls.

Are there actual stats for this or is it another brilliant assumption? To my knowledge there have been what like 4 or 5 girls who've had topless/naked pictures go around, and quite literally countless of the same with young boys. I don't know if it was before your time but certain members of upper management in the past had folders dedicated to sorting the various penis photos (mostly of young DJs) that they'd either been sent directly or had passed to them as they made the rounds in the community. It's more logical, if we're sticking with assumptions, to suggest that due to the internet's general acceptance of homosexuality that young gay men are probably the most targeted as they discover a place where they can express their sexuality in relative safety

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 06:31 PM

More stuff on Channel 4 now about Habbo

DPS

13-06-2012, 06:31 PM

Paul LaFontaine!!!! WHY U NO ON TWITTA??????

Grig

13-06-2012, 06:33 PM

Paul LaFontaine!!!! WHY U NO ON TWITTA??????

busy sending his penis photos to young boys

disaster, damn it, really wanna see these reports

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 06:33 PM

http://mattgarner.net/upload/images/2012/06/13/ZxwF6.png

Was given this - Room is made by a Sulake Staff member.

DPS

13-06-2012, 06:34 PM

Dr Jo Twist sticking up for Habbo!!!! wooo

scottish

13-06-2012, 06:34 PM

dying at people protesting in the welcome lounge with there pixel torches, I don't understand why they silenced habbo though... not sure what the point of it is.

to piss off their users so they have nothing else to do but argue with the people from C4 on twitter/other social networks? :P

Smurfed-

13-06-2012, 06:35 PM

Is it just me or is the news reporter cutting into the person every time she says something positive about all of this?

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 06:36 PM

Aww at that room^. I'm glad this girl is stating it's not just Habbo.
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They did not just inform us about a self-harm report and show an image of the habbo homepage? Wow ok.

Niall!

13-06-2012, 06:36 PM

Is it just me or is the news reporter cutting into the person every time she says something positive about all of this?

Depending on the type of journalism (and certainly with the C4 team) doom and gloom or panic means ratings.

peteyt

13-06-2012, 06:37 PM

Indeed, they're completely deluded with dangerously devoted loyalty. Some of them are saying "you should go pretend you're an 11 year old elsewhere" and then going on to blame the parents. The words "duty of care" do not exist to these people! And they're forgetting that 11 year olds do join Habbo because there's no way they can determine the age of their users. It's so stupid it's laughable!

They're also saying it happens to other sites like Facebook - yet the two sites are completely different. Facebook doesn't have a "chat to anyone in real-time" system, and it is easy to moderate. Habbo cannot moderate itself with ease because they do not keep detailed logs which they can refer to either by a human or through a system which can pick up irregular behaviour. One security firm in one of the C4 articles has wondered why Habbo isn't in the 21st Century with these security tools. Plus Habbo has a record now of bad safety and security for under aged users. Two paedophiles in the space of 6 months is incredibly bad :P

EU: Improve moderation or we will shut you down
http://www.channel4.com/news/eu-improve-moderation-or-we-will-shut-you-down/?4455

It's kicking off now :P The EU has got involved.

As I keep saying Habbo is being used as an example but they are only briefly mentioning other sites. The women on the TV is actually talking sense - saying parents need to keep an eye on what children are doing - The thing is think about one of those adult sites that children could sign up to and get access to - my point there being parents need to keep an eye on young children's online activities.

Yeah Habbo is meant for children but I bet it's not the only site aimed for children that gets abused

DPS

13-06-2012, 06:37 PM

Channel 4 can **** off ;/

Michael

13-06-2012, 06:37 PM

http://mattgarner.net/upload/images/2012/06/13/ZxwF6.png

Was given this - Room is made by a Sulake Staff member.

Who owns?

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 06:37 PM

Those two females they just had one were talking a lot of sense to be honest. Shame he was being a bit rude but that's the media for you.

Red

13-06-2012, 06:38 PM

Is it just me or is the news reporter cutting into the person every time she says something positive about all of this?

Yes!! They were the only ones to talk some sense.

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 06:38 PM

Who owns?

J:Nick:C

Storking

13-06-2012, 06:38 PM

More reports regarding cyber bullying including Habbo tomorrow with a girl clearly shown to be on Habbo on her laptop and then talking about making herself ill because of the bullying.

Oh dear!!

DPS

13-06-2012, 06:38 PM

Those two females they just had one were talking a lot of sense to be honest. Shame he was being a bit rude but that's the media for you.

Yeah he was being rude, wouldnt even let them talk...

Futz

13-06-2012, 06:39 PM

Jo Twist is so cute

jasey

13-06-2012, 06:39 PM

sorry lmao but i die reading the adult-written articles on this

The busiest rooms were named "sexy stripclub", "naughty nightclub", and so forth. Rooms which were full of rows of beds with cartoon children laying down ready for people to come and have sex with them, rooms which had "kissing booths" which shook while they were being used for cyber sex.

yes, channel four, children are interested in adult things. it's part of being young. you want the unknown. smoking, drinking, driving, sex. i'm sure if there was a place where kids could go simulate a night at the pub they would go get virtual wasted as well and then you could comment on that as well in your big exposé. have they not logged on to the internet in the past fifteen years or something? everything is sex, everywhere is sex. all of it. kids sites to adult sites to news sites to chat sites to game sites to business sites. there is sex everywhere. i'm pity the woman that wrote this that thinks the valentine's kissing booth that shakes is appalling or something. if kids aren't role-playing sex on habbo, they will somewhere else. perhaps in real life. i can't get over how stupid this is.

the pedophile thing is just a little teaspoon of crazy to add to the story to make people listen to it. there are pedophiles on habboxforum, on the channel four comments, in parliament, in primary schools and nurseries, on other sites like neopets and gaiaonline, in music and film, at your local tescos and if you are unlucky one of your child's teachers will be checking out your kid thinking out sex on a daily basis. this story is the equivalent of running pictorals of britney spears smoking and showing one of the pictures of her sons holding a cigarette and blaming her for youths adopting a smoking habit. it's tabloid, it's a news story dipped in yellow dye.

Xedia

13-06-2012, 06:40 PM

http://www.channel4.com/news/high-street-shops-stop-selling-habbo-hotel-gift-cards They updated this page abit.

iBlueBox

13-06-2012, 06:40 PM

More stuff on Channel 4 now about Habbo

Thought the two sticking up for habbo where really nice, though the news reporter seem'd ignorant.

Pigperson

13-06-2012, 06:41 PM

http://www.channel4.com/news/high-street-shops-stop-selling-habbo-hotel-gift-cards They updated this page abit.

Omdz can't believe they've stopped selling credits in shops. This is serious shizzle :O Can't believe the mute is still on.

Will

Niall!

13-06-2012, 06:42 PM

sorry lmao but i die reading the adult-written articles on this

yes, channel four, children are interested in adult things. it's part of being young. you want the unknown. smoking, drinking, driving, sex. i'm sure if there was a place where kids could go simulate a night at the pub they would go get virtual wasted as well and then you could comment on that as well in your big exposé. have they not logged on to the internet in the past fifteen years or something? everything is sex, everywhere is sex. all of it. kids sites to adult sites to news sites to chat sites to game sites to business sites. there is sex everywhere. i'm pity the woman that wrote this that thinks the valentine's kissing booth that shakes is appalling or something. if kids aren't role-playing sex on habbo, they will somewhere else. perhaps in real life. i can't get over how stupid this is.

the pedophile thing is just a little teaspoon of crazy to add to the story to make people listen to it. there are pedophiles on habboxforum, on the channel four comments, in parliament, in primary schools and nurseries, on other sites like neopets and gaiaonline, in music and film, at your local tescos and if you are unlucky one of your child's teachers will be checking out your kid thinking out sex on a daily basis. this story is the equivalent of running pictorals of britney spears smoking and showing one of the pictures of her sons holding a cigarette and blaming her for youths adopting a smoking habit. it's tabloid, it's a news story dipped in yellow dye.

Uhh, we have pedos on HxF? Name and shame, we need them banned.

Storking

13-06-2012, 06:42 PM

sorry lmao but i die reading the adult-written articles on this

yes, channel four, children are interested in adult things. it's part of being young. you want the unknown. smoking, drinking, driving, sex. i'm sure if there was a place where kids could go simulate a night at the pub they would go get virtual wasted as well and then you could comment on that as well in your big exposé. have they not logged on to the internet in the past fifteen years or something? everything is sex, everywhere is sex. all of it. kids sites to adult sites to news sites to chat sites to game sites to business sites. there is sex everywhere. i'm pity the woman that wrote this that thinks the valentine's kissing booth that shakes is appalling or something. if kids aren't role-playing sex on habbo, they will somewhere else. perhaps in real life. i can't get over how stupid this is.

the pedophile thing is just a little teaspoon of crazy to add to the story to make people listen to it. there are pedophiles on habboxforum, on the channel four comments, in parliament, in primary schools and nurseries, on other sites like neopets and gaiaonline, in music and film, at your local tescos and if you are unlucky one of your child's teachers will be checking out your kid thinking out sex on a daily basis. this story is the equivalent of running pictorals of britney spears smoking and showing one of the pictures of her sons holding a cigarette and blaming her for youths adopting a smoking habit. it's tabloid, it's a news story dipped in yellow dye.

It's not about whether they're exposed to sex on other sites, they're specifically targeting Habbo because they are allowing it to happen with 13 year olds on the site, when it should not be.

GommeInc

13-06-2012, 06:45 PM

As I keep saying Habbo is being used as an example but they are only briefly mentioning other sites. The women on the TV is actually talking sense - saying parents need to keep an eye on what children are doing - The thing is think about one of those adult sites that children could sign up to and get access to - my point there being parents need to keep an eye on young children's online activities.

Yeah Habbo is meant for children but I bet it's not the only site aimed for children that gets abused
It's because this report was strictly on Habbo, hence they only briefly mention other sites because they haven't done a report on them either. This report is showing off how bad Habbo really is underneath. Habbo is directed straight at children and underaged teens and is the regarded as the largest teen hangout, so all other sites like ClubPenguin are irrelevant for the time being as they do not have as many users AND Habbo has a history of poor management and moderation - two paedophiles in half a year is pretty bad. You're trying to defend Habbo by trying to bring in other examples when those examples could well be just as bad, but for the time being Habbo has been exposed as a badly run website.

Wait until Channel 4 discover where the moderators are from and why they do not operate on Habbo as effectively as they should be - the international community will go crazy, and it's all Sulake's fault.

I believe they're also aware that it happens to other sites. The Child Safety expert seems to know his stuff - a moderator should of come in during their exposure to Habbo, because on many other sites it's what is to be expected under EU guidelines. it wouldn't surprise me if a mod didn't come in because they simply do not have a system in place that puts words into context and alerts them.

Futz

13-06-2012, 06:45 PM

http://i47.tinypic.com/wvrf28.jpg

Niall!

13-06-2012, 06:46 PM

It's because this report was strictly on Habbo, hence they only briefly mention other sites because they haven't done a report on them either. This report is showing off how bad Habbo really is underneath. Habbo is directed straight at children and underaged teens and is the regarded as the largest teen hangout, so all other sites like ClubPenguin are irrelevant for the time being as they do not have as many users AND Habbo has a history of poor management and moderation - two paedophiles in half a year is pretty bad. You're trying to defend Habbo by trying to bring in other examples when those examples could well be just as bad, but for the time being Habbo has been exposed as a badly run website.

Wait until Channel 4 discover where the moderators are from and why they do not operate on Habbo as effectively as they should be - the international community will go crazy, and it's all Sulake's fault.

I believe they're also aware that it happens to other sites. The Child Safety expert seems to know his stuff - a moderator should of come in during their exposure to Habbo, because on many other sites it's what is to be expected under EU guidelines. it wouldn't surprise me if a mod didn't come in because they simply do not have a system in place that puts words into context and alerts them.

They probably didn't jump in because THEY CAN'T SPEAK ******* ENGLISH.

FlyingJesus

13-06-2012, 06:46 PM

Uhh, we have pedos on HxF? Name and shame, we need them banned.

Could well do, it's not something most people would openly admit to. However, paedophile =/= child molester, the former is a mental state concerning the characteristics of attraction, but not all such persons (by a long shot) act on those attractions and become the latter

lawrawrrr

13-06-2012, 06:47 PM

Are there actual stats for this or is it another brilliant assumption? To my knowledge there have been what like 4 or 5 girls who've had topless/naked pictures go around, and quite literally countless of the same with young boys. I don't know if it was before your time but certain members of upper management in the past had folders dedicated to sorting the various penis photos (mostly of young DJs) that they'd either been sent directly or had passed to them as they made the rounds in the community. It's more logical, if we're sticking with assumptions, to suggest that due to the internet's general acceptance of homosexuality that young gay men are probably the most targeted as they discover a place where they can express their sexuality in relative safety

Educated estimate. I've been looking at past news reports, and of the one's I've read there's about a 40-60 split b-g.

It was before my time but I've heard about it. From what I've experienced boys (especially the older they get) are much more willing to get naked on cam, for example on chatroulette, for reasons unbeknownst to me.

Niall!

13-06-2012, 06:48 PM

Could well do, it's not something most people would openly admit to. However, paedophile =/= child molester, the former is a mental state concerning the characteristics of attraction, but not all such persons (by a long shot) act on those attractions and become the latter

I don't think the courts see it that way. Child molester is just an evolved form of a pedophile in their eyes.

Storking

13-06-2012, 06:51 PM

You'd think after all this that moderation would have been told to improve, I just reported something unrelated to the mute and was sent a reply regarding why we're muted? Eh?

jasey

13-06-2012, 06:52 PM

That isn't the point. Habbo shouldn't have dating and strip rooms.

habbo isn't creating the rooms. habbo didn't start encouraging the whole online dating thing until way after it took off many years ago. they realised that is what kids wanted on the internet. i was cybering on habbo along with many others when the most enabling furniture in this area was a inflatable red heart for valentine's day. it really bugs me that people who have been on habbo for like three years are getting in to this acting like habbo is doing something terrible. i remember kissing booth rooms made out of red plasto and the limited valentine's line at the same time that habbo had no encouragement for the online relationship thing. kids were pole dancing then. this is the time when people said habbo had better moderation as well. the source of this is society, the environment. kids hear songs by their favourite female pop singers getting more and more blatant about how they want to be rammed and used and touched and pleased. i don't know about the uk but no news outlet was in uproar that enrique ilgesias' song "tonight (i'm ******* you)" was all over top forty radio and youth-accessible media outlets with poor censorship. everything kids buy in to is filled with sex. this is not habbo, this is about modern society. welcome to modern day, whiny parents. kids don't have to hide their normal curiousity about sex anymore. it's everywhere and they are free to explore it as they wish. i have to reiterate that the pedophile thing is so minor and not limited to habbo that it is just undeniable that they added it in to the story to make it valid and not a stupid attack piece on whomever they felt was popular enough to get ratings.

peteyt

13-06-2012, 06:52 PM

It's because this report was strictly on Habbo, hence they only briefly mention other sites because they haven't done a report on them either. This report is showing off how bad Habbo really is underneath. Habbo is directed straight at children and underaged teens and is the regarded as the largest teen hangout, so all other sites like ClubPenguin are irrelevant for the time being as they do not have as many users AND Habbo has a history of poor management and moderation - two paedophiles in half a year is pretty bad. You're trying to defend Habbo by trying to bring in other examples when those examples could well be just as bad, but for the time being Habbo has been exposed as a badly run website.

Wait until Channel 4 discover where the moderators are from and why they do not operate on Habbo as effectively as they should be - the international community will go crazy, and it's all Sulake's fault.

I believe they're also aware that it happens to other sites. The Child Safety expert seems to know his stuff - a moderator should of come in during their exposure to Habbo, because on many other sites it's what is to be expected under EU guidelines. it wouldn't surprise me if a mod didn't come in because they simply do not have a system in place that puts words into context and alerts them.

2 pedo's - think of how many more are out there.

I'm not trying to defend Habbo. I think if anything Habbo should be used as an example to create better strict rules on sites all over the internet e.g. for the club penguin site (never heard of it).

My point is instead of saying this site is bad what should we do, they should be looking at creating ways of avoiding this in the future for multiple websites.

If Habbo does close, the problem won't be gone, all the people causing the problem will just move to another site - so just focusing on Habbo alone in my opinion isn't what is needed here

VelvetClover

13-06-2012, 06:53 PM

Some of you may remember me, most of you won't.
Anyhow, I left Habbo ages ago because, well, it's crap and there's nothing to do. Plus the customer service is awful.
Frankly, I find this quite amusing and Sulake are only getting what they deserve for having such awful moderation. However many of you protest "Habbo isn't just a kids game!" Well, sorry guys but it kinda is - anyone who has ever played will know of the perverted conversations that go on all the time - this shouldn't be happening and it is disgusting. Call For Helps are either ignored or the person who called for help is told they are abusing the system... it's awful.
This is what Sulake need - EU/government/media involvement to finally force them to do something about it. If they get shut down...well, that's no less than they deserve either although I'll feel sorry for those of you who still play.

So someone bring me quickly up to speed on what's going on in the game... have you all been muted until further notice?

FlyingJesus

13-06-2012, 06:54 PM

I don't think the courts see it that way. Child molester is just an evolved form of a pedophile in their eyes.

Certainly is true since without an act there is no legal ramification :P you can't be arrested for thinking something

Storking

13-06-2012, 06:57 PM

habbo isn't creating the rooms. habbo didn't start encouraging the whole online dating thing until way after it took off many years ago. they realised that is what kids wanted on the internet. i was cybering on habbo along with many others when the most enabling furniture in this area was a inflatable red heart for valentine's day. it really bugs me that people who have been on habbo for like three years are getting in to this acting like habbo is doing something terrible. i remember kissing booth rooms made out of red plasto and the limited valentine's line at the same time that habbo had no encouragement for the online relationship thing. kids were pole dancing then. this is the time when people said habbo had better moderation as well. the source of this is society, the environment. kids hear songs by their favourite female pop singers getting more and more blatant about how they want to be rammed and used and touched and pleased. i don't know about the uk but no news outlet was in uproar that enrique ilgesias' song "tonight (i'm ******* you)" was all over top forty radio and youth-accessible media outlets with poor censorship. everything kids buy in to is filled with sex. this is not habbo, this is about modern society. welcome to modern day, whiny parents. kids don't have to hide their normal curiousity about sex anymore. it's everywhere and they are free to explore it as they wish. i have to reiterate that the pedophile thing is so minor and not limited to habbo that it is just undeniable that they added it in to the story to make it valid and not a stupid attack piece on whomever they felt was popular enough to get ratings.

You might think it's "ok" to be exposed to sexually explicit content on Habbo but the fact is children should not be exposed to this crap, they're 13 years old and they should not be allowed to have cyber sex on Habbo!

Parents let their children go on Habbo with the assumption that it's safe because Habbo has won safety awards and signed up to safety programmes, but the reality was pointed out by channel 4.

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 06:58 PM

Really can't wait till Channel 4 find out where mods are from, someone tell them please? lol x

*Sigh*, wonder how long till this all eventually dies down (never?).

jasey

13-06-2012, 06:59 PM

It's not about whether they're exposed to sex on other sites, they're specifically targeting Habbo because they are allowing it to happen with 13 year olds on the site, when it should not be.
they can't stop it from happening. they simply can't. this isn't borne out of a secret sulake agenda to get eleven year olds snapping their privates on camera and get in those terrible, immoral kissing booths (that shake!). it's just a product of society. look at the preteen abortion rates to get a clue as to how many young kids are doing this with or without habbo. it's everywhere and unless habbo voluntarily shuts down or just gives users pretyped messages to use instead of letting them actually type their own words it will continue forever and ever on any site that caters to teens. the furniture and the habbo way has nothing to do with it. as i have stated, the habbo romance and sex thing has been there since kids started getting the freedom to explore their sexuality on a site like this en masse.

Uhh, we have pedos on HxF? Name and shame, we need them banned.
i'll let you do the history on that one, i have enough drama as it is.

GommeInc

13-06-2012, 07:01 PM

2 pedo's - think of how many more are out there.

I'm not trying to defend Habbo. I think if anything Habbo should be used as an example to create better strict rules on sites all over the internet e.g. for the club penguin site (never heard of it).

My point is instead of saying this site is bad what should we do, they should be looking at creating ways of avoiding this in the future for multiple websites.

If Habbo does close, the problem won't be gone, all the people causing the problem will just move to another site - so just focusing on Habbo alone in my opinion isn't what is needed here
It sort of is being used as an example. The Commission woman has said Habbo and other social sites need to strictly follow the guidelines and that there is a wider source of the problem: parenting, teaching, Government etc.

The problem with Habbo is that, as a business model, it simply cannot work. Children are vulnerable and Habbo is too easy to access, but in order for Habbo to work there has to be easy access because it is important in its model - it's how MMORPGs work. It's probably why it is being attacked more than other sites because it just doesn't seem to be working and Habbo clearly do not have the funds to protect their users which they are required to do so under law - the outsourcing of moderators rather than in-house moderators seem like a huge hint. The MMORPG factor of Habbo, the personas/avatars is why it is under scrutiny, because you cannot identify how old someone is until you ask and it all seems rather private. Facebook obvious has its problems, but it has so many safeguards in place that it's difficult for a child to be a victim - safeguards Habbo can never have because it contradicts its very design.

Certainly is true since without an act there is no legal ramification :P you can't be arrested for thinking something
Indeed. It's only a worry when physical (or intangible) evidence arises, like photos on a HDD or notes in a diary which suggest a illegal presence, though that wouldn't get you arrested - if anything you would just get looked for any mental issues.

Storking

13-06-2012, 07:02 PM

peteyt

13-06-2012, 07:02 PM

Niall!

13-06-2012, 07:02 PM

Certainly is true since without an act there is no legal ramification :P you can't be arrested for thinking something

Not yet anyway, MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Bob1

13-06-2012, 07:06 PM

they can't stop it from happening. they simply can't.
They can limit it and they used to do so quite effectively.
http://habbobob.tumblr.com/

Well! That was a fun hour... the two women they had on as experts actually spoke some sense rather than sensationalising everything. I hope Habbo doesn't close for the users but the company did kind of ask for it. They can't control what happens on other sites or messaging service but they have allowed and in some ways actively encouraged their service to be used as a middle man for teens meeting teens and thus attracted some people with bad intentions. Another report tomorrow on cyber bullying will no doubt name Habbo again, the media smell blood and I can see more investors pulling out quickly.
This article is interesting - http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/13/patchy-response-from-sites-aimed-at-kids-in-the-wake-of-habbo-controversy/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29

jasey

13-06-2012, 07:07 PM

You might think it's "ok" to be exposed to sexually explicit content on Habbo but the fact is children should not be exposed to this crap, they're 13 years old and they should not be allowed to have cyber sex on Habbo!

Parents let their children go on Habbo with the assumption that it's safe because Habbo has won safety awards and signed up to safety programmes, but the reality was pointed out by channel 4.

you are making me laugh. thirteen year olds aren't allowed to be exposed to sex or explore it and simulate it virtually in words? the biggest habbo site by user activity is the spanish hotel. guess what the legal age of consent is in the lovely nation of spain? thirteen. you can get down and dirty trying out every single position you've seen played out in film and music video alike as soon as you turn thirteen with full legal support. you sound less like someone worldly and more like my grandmother.

as for the safety thing, well, uh ... habbo is pretty safe as far as children's communities online go. very safe, actually, compared to most other popular sites with kids in total. there is absolutely nothing unsafe about two preteens having cyber with each other. the only unsafe thing here is the element of the pedophile and habbo has never condoned that. a pedophile is free to infiltrate any website out there — no one asks for your driving license when you register for a community. if habbo knows about a pedophile then they deal with it. the sad fact is habbo is such a tiny element (the first stop) on the 'grooming train' for pedophiles that habbo doesn't really see what goes on. habbo doesn't allow you to upload your cleavage shot to go beside your avatar nor does it offer webcam chat on their site. they discourage it. kids will do what they want. kids are interested. kids are curious. it is not habbo's fault. i've used this word a lot but it can't be said enough: sensationalism. sensationalism. sensationalism. ssssennnnnnsationnnallllismmmm.

Xedia

13-06-2012, 07:11 PM

1) They need to hire a new CEO, Paul is useless.
2) They need to update the filter, and be more harsh.
3) They need to hire actual moderators who actually reply with actual answers.
4) They need to unmute the hotel.
5) They need to get rid of all dating, bed, and sex rooms. Especially the [DATE] category.
5) They need to stop releasing vibrating furniture, kissing booths, and the like.

jasey

13-06-2012, 07:13 PM

Sorry but I think you're rather deluded. It's their website and they damn well can stop the cyber sex and they will over the coming weeks.

What don't you understand that a website aimed at children as young as 13 should not be allowing sexually explicit actions? :rolleyes:

because you can legally have sex and get as dirty as you'd like in real life with real ramifications in westernised nations. you need to read up on this, seriously, if you think that thirteen year olds are taboo from the world of sex. you're kidding me, right? this is some troll?

Bob1, staff and moderation efforts pulled from the passionate community of users on habbo was a great thing. you are whining on your tumblr about bringing it back. do you think that's something channel four will agree to or what? do you think it's in association with this attack they are having to have the same pool of users who go to these 'sexy nitecloobs' take calls for help and help run the community? i thought it was a great thing but it had to be rid of for exactly this reason. habbo is too big of a company to give too much power to users who cannot be vetted. i appreciate your nostalgia but i am a bit lost with your tumblr. furthermore, i kind of laughed when you mentioned becs in closing your post. very loud.

Bob1

13-06-2012, 07:14 PM

This might be a bit out there but I'm pretty sure there's a UK government vote about monitoring of conversations online and regulation of the internet, this kind of report from channel 4 could have far wider implications if that kind of law gains public favour

Storking

13-06-2012, 07:15 PM

you are making me laugh. thirteen year olds aren't allowed to be exposed to sex or explore it and simulate it virtually in words? the biggest habbo site by user activity is the spanish hotel. guess what the legal age of consent is in the lovely nation of spain? thirteen. you can get down and dirty trying out every single position you've seen played out in film and music video alike as soon as you turn thirteen with full legal support. you sound less like someone worldly and more like my grandmother.

as for the safety thing, well, uh ... habbo is pretty safe as far as children's communities online go. very safe, actually, compared to most other popular sites with kids in total. there is absolutely nothing unsafe about two preteens having cyber with each other. the only unsafe thing here is the element of the pedophile and habbo has never condoned that. a pedophile is free to infiltrate any website out there — no one asks for your driving license when you register for a community. if habbo knows about a pedophile then they deal with it. the sad fact is habbo is such a tiny element (the first stop) on the 'grooming train' for pedophiles that habbo doesn't really see what goes on. habbo doesn't allow you to upload your cleavage shot to go beside your avatar nor does it offer webcam chat on their site. they discourage it. kids will do what they want. kids are interested. kids are curious. it is not habbo's fault. i've used this word a lot but it can't be said enough: sensationalism. sensationalism. sensationalism. ssssennnnnnsationnnallllismmmm.

You keep bringing in other websites when this is only regarding HABBO UK. In the UK, age of consent is 16, this isn't spain.

"It is not habbos fault". I am lost for words.. you have no real concept of what Habbo should and shouldn't be allowing so please stop spouting bullsh*t!

---------- Post added 13-06-2012 at 08:17 PM ----------

because you can legally have sex and get as dirty as you'd like in real life with real ramifications in westernised nations. you need to read up on this, seriously, if you think that thirteen year olds are taboo from the world of sex. you're kidding me, right? this is some troll?

Age of consent is 16 in the UK, not 13.

If a 16+ year old has sex with a minor in the UK then they can be arrested for statutory rape. Maybe you should read up on some stuff?

Bob1

13-06-2012, 07:18 PM

Bob1, staff and moderation efforts pulled from the passionate community of users on habbo was a great thing. you are whining on your tumblr about bringing it back. do you think that's something channel four will agree to or what? do you think it's in association with this attack they are having to have the same pool of users who go to these 'sexy nitecloobs' take calls for help and help run the community? i thought it was a great thing but it had to be rid of for exactly this reason. habbo is too big of a company to give too much power to users who cannot be vetted. i appreciate your nostalgia but i am a bit lost with your tumblr. furthermore, i kind of laughed when you mentioned becs in closing your post. very loud.

Re-read it, I did not suggest that Habbo bring back Hobbas, which is what you just described, I did suggest they re-look at their hiring, training and policies with regards to professional moderation. Having written those guidelines that were used world-wide on every hotel I know that what has been ALLOWED to happen by Sulake should not have happened and never would of happened to this extent in the past. Moderators were paid staff, some office based, some home based but all attended a lot of training, there were a lot of policy documents and there were several criminal and background checks so I find your suggestion that the system was insecure enough to allow that type of person to be hired slightly amusing. I'll also point out that Sulake was a far bigger company in terms of its online presense when I wrote those documents and they were more effective than whatever they're using at the moment on the fewer products they currently run. As for Becs, you might not like her personally and that's fine, I wont get into this but she successfully ran community for AOL, a HUGE company, she also successfully runs a vastly successful childrens community now, one that does not have these issues.

peteyt

13-06-2012, 07:20 PM

you are making me laugh. thirteen year olds aren't allowed to be exposed to sex or explore it and simulate it virtually in words? the biggest habbo site by user activity is the spanish hotel. guess what the legal age of consent is in the lovely nation of spain? thirteen. you can get down and dirty trying out every single position you've seen played out in film and music video alike as soon as you turn thirteen with full legal support. you sound less like someone worldly and more like my grandmother.

as for the safety thing, well, uh ... habbo is pretty safe as far as children's communities online go. very safe, actually, compared to most other popular sites with kids in total. there is absolutely nothing unsafe about two preteens having cyber with each other. the only unsafe thing here is the element of the pedophile and habbo has never condoned that. a pedophile is free to infiltrate any website out there — no one asks for your driving license when you register for a community. if habbo knows about a pedophile then they deal with it. the sad fact is habbo is such a tiny element (the first stop) on the 'grooming train' for pedophiles that habbo doesn't really see what goes on. habbo doesn't allow you to upload your cleavage shot to go beside your avatar nor does it offer webcam chat on their site. they discourage it. kids will do what they want. kids are interested. kids are curious. it is not habbo's fault. i've used this word a lot but it can't be said enough: sensationalism. sensationalism. sensationalism. ssssennnnnnsationnnallllismmmm.

Exactly what I've been saying. There are millions of online websites that are aimed for children or a general audience that have the same problems as Habbo has. Most of the cybering is basically teenagers messing around, a load of us on this forum probably hae once when we where young did it for a laugh.

As mentioned in an above post though this has been going on online and actually on Habbo for ages. So why have they just found out now. If anything it's the supposed to be good system for identifying these bad sites that needs looked into more in my opinion then Habbo.

I've mentioned this a load of times to, don't buy your young 11 year old a webcam. If you buy your child a webcam, make sure they know about the dangers and as a parent keep an eye on their online activities

iBlueBox

13-06-2012, 07:21 PM

Sorry, but am I the only one who think that Paul actually isn't a bad CEO?

Bob1

13-06-2012, 07:23 PM

Exactly what I've been saying. There are millions of online websites that are aimed for children or a general audience that have the same problems as Habbo has. Most of the cybering is basically teenagers messing around, a load of us on this forum probably hae once when we where young did it for a laugh.

As mentioned in an above post though this has been going on online and actually on Habbo for ages. So why have they just found out now. If anything it's the supposed to be good system for identifying these bad sites that needs looked into more in my opinion then Habbo.

I've mentioned this a load of times to, don't buy your young 11 year old a webcam. If you buy your child a webcam, make sure they know about the dangers and as a parent keep an eye on their online activities
100% agree parents need to be more active and educate their children on dangers. The problem with Habbo is the shear volume of this type of behaviour that has been left to happen between teens gives their very small moderation team even more work to do in identifying potentially dangerous users with predatory intentions. They need to limit this behaviour as they used to, needle in a haystack and all that.

jasey

13-06-2012, 07:23 PM

1) They need to hire a new CEO, Paul is useless.
agreed!

2) They need to update the filter, and be more harsh.
if someone wants to say something, they will find a way to say it. every time. filters are nice but making the filter more harsh wouldn't solve any of this problem except perhaps appeasing the mommies and daddies who are wetting their pants seeing these atrocities of kids being curious about sex while watching channel four.

3) They need to hire actual moderators who actually reply with actual answers.
yep, the moderators are bad. there is no moderator that can compare to a parent or guardian, however. i'd prefer if they got moderators from people better trained in this sort of thing, though. at time the moderation feels like getting a foreign call centre when you call for tech support on the phone or something. still, this would happen just as much with trigger-happy anti-sex moderators. if not on habbo, on the next site. no one is going to erase the culture of sex.

4) They need to unmute the hotel.
debatable. it's inconvenient but i am sure channel four would love to set up habbo avatars they can film saying they love how young the kids are on habbo and how easy and ripe they are for the picking. i'm behind the mute in that sense.

5) They need to get rid of all dating, bed, and sex rooms. Especially the [DATE] category.
are you a puritan or something? habbo is a teeny tiny part of youth usage of the internet. it isn't the only place dating is enouraged. perhaps you should write to radio one and tell them to stop playing the songs children memorise that describe sex acts in not-so-veiled metaphor (or often just blatantly) and get all the videos featuring dating, beds and sex rooms off of the television. on that level, we need to get rid of children dating in real life as well. i'm giggling that you think people need a bed on habbo to cyber. kids cyber in chatrooms even more prevalently than on habbo and there are no images at all. perhaps we should make acknowledgement of sex illegal for kids just like holocaust denial is so that they aren't exposed to the dangers of what we are as people.

5) They need to stop releasing vibrating furniture, kissing booths, and the like.
on the same level, should they get rid of the bullet hole and bloody corpse outline furniture? the mafia simulations where people fantasise about guns and murder, crime and killing, drug exports and cartel wars. all of that and so much more. where is the big story on this? oh, wait, there isn't one. i wonder if that's because it's something that comes to children naturally to be interested in. i think the channel four reporters should all tell us their most dirty sex story. i'd love to hear but only if they are honest.

Xedia

13-06-2012, 07:23 PM

Sorry, but am I the only one who think that Paul actually isn't a bad CEO?
Yes. :)

jasey

13-06-2012, 07:23 PM

GommeInc

13-06-2012, 07:24 PM

Sorry, but am I the only one who think that Paul actually isn't a bad CEO?
How come? Before this took off I had never heard of him. I can't stand him - he's slow to respond and doesn't appear very helpful, and that's before and after this.

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 07:26 PM

Sorry, but am I the only one who think that Paul actually isn't a bad CEO?

I don't think he's absolutely dreadful and not all the blame can be forced upon him because he's only been here for 8 months. and in all fairness to him, he did add Habbo Helpers and mentioned there were plans for them to have mute/kicking abilities eventually. He's reacted to this quite calmly on Twitter yet the global mute decision wasn't the best thing to do (Especially for such a long time) - but then again, I suppose it's stopped other news sites actually gaining evidence of the cybering lol.

If he manages to get Sulake out of this extremely rough patch, I'll be very impressed.

jasey

13-06-2012, 07:27 PM

Re-read it, I did not suggest that Habbo bring back Hobbas, which is what you just described, I did suggest they re-look at their hiring, training and policies with regards to professional moderation. Having written those guidelines that were used world-wide on every hotel I know that what has been ALLOWED to happen by Sulake should not have happened and never would of happened to this extent in the past. Moderators were paid staff, some office based, some home based but all attended a lot of training, there were a lot of policy documents and there were several criminal and background checks so I find your suggestion that the system was insecure enough to allow that type of person to be hired slightly amusing.
are you saying people have to have been convicted of a crime to be a pedophile? there is a first offense for every criminal and background checks don't read minds nor are they a crystal ball. i worked side by side with who you know as callie on a site she was major staff for after her habbo days and she had many interesting things to say. you can trump your 'secret inside knowledge' of habbo from five years ago but it just sounds self-righteous to me. well, moreso just lacking of logic.

---------- Post added 13-06-2012 at 08:29 PM ----------

Exactly what I've been saying. There are millions of online websites that are aimed for children or a general audience that have the same problems as Habbo has. Most of the cybering is basically teenagers messing around, a load of us on this forum probably hae once when we where young did it for a laugh.

As mentioned in an above post though this has been going on online and actually on Habbo for ages. So why have they just found out now. If anything it's the supposed to be good system for identifying these bad sites that needs looked into more in my opinion then Habbo.

I've mentioned this a load of times to, don't buy your young 11 year old a webcam. If you buy your child a webcam, make sure they know about the dangers and as a parent keep an eye on their online activities
i don't want to sound like i am big upping you just because we are on the same page but i literally am. solid post, solid mind, solid logic. agreed. so much agreed.

iBlueBox

13-06-2012, 07:31 PM

How come? Before this took off I had never heard of him. I can't stand him - he's slow to respond and doesn't appear very helpful, and that's before and after this.

Because before hand, he did seem to have habbo on track of user enjoyment and was listening a lot more to habbos a lot more and did respond to them by twitter. Though through this rough patch he hasn't engaged much but to be honest he's probably been extremely busy then normal.

I don't think he's absolutely dreadful and not all the blame can be forced upon him because he's only been here for 8 months. and in all fairness to him, he did add Habbo Helpers and mentioned there were plans for them to have mute/kicking abilities eventually. He's reacted to this quite calmly on Twitter yet the global mute decision wasn't the best thing to do (Especially for such a long time) - but then again, I suppose it's stopped other news sites actually gaining evidence of the cybering lol.

If he manages to get Sulake out of this extremely rough patch, I'll be very impressed.

This is basically a lot of the main reasons, I do agree the mutes did seem pointless, But it's probably only till they have stricter moderation and guidance. I hope he does manage to get sulake through this patch.

I probably do think Sulake inside the organisation that moderators are probably being shouted at.

Bob1

13-06-2012, 07:34 PM

are you saying people have to have been convicted of a crime to be a pedophile? there is a first offense for every criminal and background checks don't read minds nor are they a crystal ball. i worked side by side with who you know as callie on a site she was major staff for after her habbo days and she had many interesting things to say. you can trump your 'secret inside knowledge' of habbo from five years ago but it just sounds self-righteous to me. well, moreso just lacking of logic.

So you're suggesting that the criminal checks carried out on teachers or people who work with children are pointless? Because every one of them is a potential pervet? Your outlook on life baffles me. I know of Impetuous, I trained her when she was a Hobba, I'm not here to wobble on about inside knowledge but I am pointing out from my experience that particular time was a much better moderated time, whatever happened after that I know nothing of in terms of inside workings so can't comment.

jasey

13-06-2012, 07:34 PM

You keep bringing in other websites when this is only regarding HABBO UK. In the UK, age of consent is 16, this isn't spain.

"It is not habbos fault". I am lost for words.. you have no real concept of what Habbo should and shouldn't be allowing so please stop spouting bullsh*t!

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Age of consent is 16 in the UK, not 13.

If a 16+ year old has sex with a minor in the UK then they can be arrested for statutory rape. Maybe you should read up on some stuff?
err, my dear, there is no such thing as habbo uk. channel four is attacking the company right from the top, right at sulake who run habbo .com and .es alike. spanish habbo is way more popular and no one seems to have a problem there. if you want to bring the united kingdom in to this in specific then i will point you to the rape rates in the united kingdom versus those in spain.

united kingdom — 24 per 100 000 people
spain — 5.5 per 100 000 people

i guess their evil idea to let thirteen year olds explore sex isn't so bad, is it? cheers though. i'm going to stop making new posts on this thread soon because i've gotten my point out there and i know you can all read. i respect disagreement but i don't feel like arguing about this for another hour, ehe!

Xedia

13-06-2012, 07:36 PM

if someone wants to say something, they will find a way to say it. every time. filters are nice but making the filter more harsh wouldn't solve any of this problem except perhaps appeasing the mommies and daddies who are wetting their pants seeing these atrocities of kids being curious about sex while watching channel four.

By harsh, I mean use an alphanumeric filter. Rather than just banning the word "sex", ban "S3X" and so on.

are you a puritan or something? habbo is a teeny tiny part of youth usage of the internet. it isn't the only place dating is enouraged. perhaps you should write to radio one and tell them to stop playing the songs children memorise that describe sex acts in not-so-veiled metaphor (or often just blatantly) and get all the videos featuring dating, beds and sex rooms off of the television. on that level, we need to get rid of children dating in real life as well. i'm giggling that you think people need a bed on habbo to cyber. kids cyber in chatrooms even more prevalently than on habbo and there are no images at all. perhaps we should make acknowledgement of sex illegal for kids just like holocaust denial is so that they aren't exposed to the dangers of what we are as people. Who said anything about radio and television? I wish you would stop comparing this issue to other things, this is about Habbo and how it contains disgusting language and sexual acts, and the fact that it's "225 moderators" don't actually moderate, despite the fact their target audience is as young as 13.

on the same level, should they get rid of the bullet hole and bloody corpse outline furniture? the mafia simulations where people fantasise about guns and murder, crime and killing, drug exports and cartel wars. all of that and so much more. where is the big story on this? oh, wait, there isn't one. i wonder if that's because it's something that comes to children naturally to be interested in. i think the channel four reporters should all tell us their most dirty sex story. i'd love to hear but only if they are honest. All that is debateable. But Habbo isn't a place for showing your flesh and giving someone something to play with them self over. There's other sites for that.

jasey

13-06-2012, 07:36 PM

err, i must add that there is a big difference between stat rape and rape. stat rape is often between two consensual parties, one of whom is simply legally not 'allowed' to give consent. that doesn't mean that both parties weren't totally in to it. plain rape is different.

Red

13-06-2012, 07:40 PM

What were the women's names who featured on tonights news? Seriously cannot get over how rude that reporter was.

I never really agreed with Paul's vision for the hotel. I know me, Rubbish; @Richie (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=51359); @Kyle (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=30795); etc have all tweeted him about poor moderation but he just ignored the feedback and deemed everyone who sent similar tweets as trolls. Skimping on moderation doesn't seem like such a good idea now.

Bob1

13-06-2012, 07:41 PM

i guess their evil idea to let thirteen year olds explore sex isn't so bad, is it?
There's a time and a place, you wouldn't send your child to a prison to do sex-ed and unfortunately Habbo isn't a safe place for kids to be dealing with those issues, there are people out there who will take advantage.

Smurfed-

13-06-2012, 07:45 PM

What were the women's names who featured on tonights news? Seriously cannot get over how rude that reporter was.

I never really agreed with Paul's vision for the hotel. I know me, @Rubbish (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=59974); @Richie (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=51359); @Kyle (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=30795); etc have all tweeted him about poor moderation but he just ignored the feedback and deemed everyone who sent similar tweets as trolls. Skimping on moderation doesn't seem like such a good idea now.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who though he was rude. It was like every time those two people went to say something about it not just being Habbo he interrupted them. I also found he was doing the same when they tried to say anything positive about the Hotel.

AgnesIO

13-06-2012, 07:46 PM

they can't stop it from happening. they simply can't. this isn't borne out of a secret sulake agenda to get eleven year olds snapping their privates on camera and get in those terrible, immoral kissing booths (that shake!). it's just a product of society. look at the preteen abortion rates to get a clue as to how many young kids are doing this with or without habbo. it's everywhere and unless habbo voluntarily shuts down or just gives users pretyped messages to use instead of letting them actually type their own words it will continue forever and ever on any site that caters to teens. the furniture and the habbo way has nothing to do with it. as i have stated, the habbo romance and sex thing has been there since kids started getting the freedom to explore their sexuality on a site like this en masse.

i'll let you do the history on that one, i have enough drama as it is.

Of course they cannot stop it. They can seriously reduce it, and actively discourage it - rather than telling people to flirt, and have all this ridiculous stuff.

err, my dear, there is no such thing as habbo uk. channel four is attacking the company right from the top, right at sulake who run habbo .com and .es alike. spanish habbo is way more popular and no one seems to have a problem there. if you want to bring the united kingdom in to this in specific then i will point you to the rape rates in the united kingdom versus those in spain.

united kingdom — 24 per 100 000 people
spain — 5.5 per 100 000 people

i guess their evil idea to let thirteen year olds explore sex isn't so bad, is it? cheers though. i'm going to stop making new posts on this thread soon because i've gotten my point out there and i know you can all read. i respect disagreement but i don't feel like arguing about this for another hour, ehe!

Are you completely deluded?!

Suylake should be trying to prevent this sort of thing - Channel Four pointed out it was 11 YEAR OLDS. So are you trying to tell me that it is cool for 11 year olds too?

Also, yeah Spain has a lower rape rate.. but ermm.. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/02/10-year-old-gives-birth-spain - Spain also has a much lower rate of immigrants - coincidence? I think not.

Red

13-06-2012, 07:47 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one who though he was rude. It was like every time those two people went to say something about it not just being Habbo he interrupted them. I also found he was doing the same when they tried to say anything positive about the Hotel.
I know! They have received hundreds of comments in defence of the hotel as well and they didn't air any of those views. Made me so mad.

jasey

13-06-2012, 07:51 PM

just closing with a few replies to people i have quoted!

By harsh, I mean use an alphanumeric filter. Rather than just banning the word "sex", ban "S3X" and so on.
that isn't a new idea and has been on the internet for forever. they can ban every variation of the word sex but that doesn't ban any child from thinking about it. in fact, as i will get to, they are constantly bombarded with it in every source of media. ifif they can't find a way to type it as 'sex' or a variation thereof, they will find another way or another site. do you suggest we start using hypnosis and mind control to keep kids from thinking about or even lightly acting on it?

Who said anything about radio and television? I wish you would stop comparing this issue to other things, this is about Habbo and how it contains disgusting language and sexual acts, and the fact that it's "225 moderators" don't actually moderate.
uh, i did. where do you think youth get the concepts and ideas that they act out on habbo? their environment. like i have said many times in this thread and like has been said in this thread by others besides me, this has been around before habbo (because of mass media), in the early days of habbo (because of mass media) and now during channel four's super special report. i think that the moderation on habbo is inept and that palafo is useless as well but i don't think either is to blame for sexual things on habbo. i know neither are.

i actually hope than channel four starts caring for our precious children and keeping them from sex like they want habbo to do so strongly. i suggest they stop airing programmes like 'family guy' in timeslots easily accessible to thirteen year olds. how about embarrassing bodies, the show that gets people to go live on webcam and drop their clothing to talk about how they are sad that their breasts are small? kids watch that all of the time. what about glee? a thirteen year old high school student under the age of consent is shown on a bed with a 'bad boy' male over eighteen dressed only in tight underwear while she tells him how hot he is. that was just last month, actually. channel four's '**** week' was pretty interesting. i'm also interested in their special that showed long periods of full frontal male nudity and the presenter naked on camera while he stimulated his erect penis. i remember the skins controversy as well. we all know who the main demographic watching that show was. no need to even say it.

please open your eyes, my child.

Niall!

13-06-2012, 07:51 PM

are you saying people have to have been convicted of a crime to be a pedophile? there is a first offense for every criminal and background checks don't read minds nor are they a crystal ball.

Ok smartass, short of inventing a mind reading machine, explain to me how on earth you're supposed to discover someone is a pedophile if they haven't committed any crimes?

jasey

13-06-2012, 07:52 PM

Also, yeah Spain has a lower rape rate.. but ermm.. Spain also has a much lower rate of immigrants - coincidence? I think not.
immigrants are responsible for rape? alright, there goes your credibility. check out the current affairs section on here. i think it's sufficiently xenophobic for your tastes.

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 07:54 PM

http://www.channel4.com/news/high-street-shops-stop-selling-habbo-hotel-gift-cards

Video at the top was the main part of tonight stuff about Habbo. The interview with two females (one from CEOP) is at the bottom of the page.

Grig

13-06-2012, 07:54 PM

http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/130612/clipid/130612_HABBOEU_13

http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/130612/clipid/130612_HABBODEBATE_13

couple of segments from tonight's newscast for those who missed.

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 07:56 PM

AgnesIO

13-06-2012, 07:57 PM

There's a time and a place, you wouldn't send your child to a prison to do sex-ed and unfortunately Habbo isn't a safe place for kids to be dealing with those issues, there are people out there who will take advantage.

In fairness, I see nothing wrong with children having sex education in prison.

Just warn them to not pick up the soap.

immigrants are responsible for rape? alright, there goes your credibility. check out the current affairs section on here. i think it's sufficiently xenophobic for your tastes.

Hate to say it but rape nowadays along with many other gang related crimes has gone up due to immigration. And don't go branding me a racist like I suspect you plan on doing, as I know the majority of people who move to the UK are perfectly decent (more so than the natives..) people.

Furthermore, I am fully aware that UK citizens also take part in rape.

When referring to modern rape, I am not making reference to where a husband forces his wife to have sex - a relatively common occurrence in the past.

Bob1

13-06-2012, 07:57 PM

Ok smartass, short of inventing a mind reading machine, explain to me how on earth you're supposed to discover someone is a pedophile if they haven't committed any crimes?

Apparently you can't, we should all abandon civilised society and start raping everyone before they rape us!...... :rolleyes:

jasey

13-06-2012, 07:59 PM

Ok smartass, short of inventing a mind reading machine, explain to me how on earth you're supposed to discover someone is a pedophile if they haven't committed any crimes?
you can't, my sweet, and that is the essence of sex in our modern society. you never know who likes what, who wants to do what to you nor who is sexually criminal. this has nothing to do with habbo and everything to do with the human community. habbo is a tiny little scapegoat that i suppose makes an entertaining exposé. they aren't saving any children from anything with this, though. stop it on habbo and the kids will go elsewhere. changes need to be made a bit higher up than a chat community for kids based in finland that has been around for a lot shorter of a time than the sexualisation of children has.

http://static.thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2008/11/2827376480_4db0294b1d_o.jpg

that was a nationally run ad in america from forty years ago. no one batted an eyelid at it. that should answer your question.

peteyt

13-06-2012, 08:01 PM

Of course they cannot stop it. They can seriously reduce it, and actively discourage it - rather than telling people to flirt, and have all this ridiculous stuff.

Are you completely deluded?!

Suylake should be trying to prevent this sort of thing - Channel Four pointed out it was 11 YEAR OLDS. So are you trying to tell me that it is cool for 11 year olds too?

Also, yeah Spain has a lower rape rate.. but ermm.. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/02/10-year-old-gives-birth-spain - Spain also has a much lower rate of immigrants - coincidence? I think not.

Facebook has 11 year old's and younger. I bet there are plenty of porn sites with under age and there are loads of dating sites, adult ones face this and so on, basically sex sites, I wonder how many under age use them - The important thing is where was channel 4 when I used Habbo years back when all this still happened.

i don't want to sound like i am big upping you just because we are on the same page but i literally am. solid post, solid mind, solid logic. agreed. so much agreed.

Good to meet someone who shares some sense.

AgnesIO

13-06-2012, 08:01 PM

you can't, my sweet, and that is the essence of sex in our modern society. you never know who likes what, who wants to do what to you nor who is sexually criminal. this has nothing to do with habbo and everything to do with the human community. habbo is a tiny little scapegoat that i suppose makes an entertaining exposé. they aren't saving any children from anything with this, though. stop it on habbo and the kids will go elsewhere. changes need to be made a bit higher up than a chat community for kids based in finland that has been around for a lot shorter of a time than the sexualisation of children has.

http://static.thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2008/11/2827376480_4db0294b1d_o.jpg

that was a nationally run ad in america from forty years ago. no one batted an eyelid at it. that should answer your question.

No one batted an eyelid when children were caned.

That doesn't make it right.

Xedia

13-06-2012, 08:01 PM

This is my last reply to you because quite frankly, I don't think your actually listening to what people are saying to you, and all your doing is repeating yourself.

that isn't a new idea and has been on the internet for forever. they can ban every variation of the word sex but that doesn't ban any child from thinking about it. in fact, as i will get to, they are constantly bombarded with it in every source of media. ifif they can't find a way to type it as 'sex' or a variation thereof, they will find another way or another site. do you suggest we start using hypnosis and mind control to keep kids from thinking about or even lightly acting on it? Habbo hasn't done it before. That is my point. Of course they are going to think about sex, it's part of growing up. That doesn't mean everybody else should have to listen to people's fantasies and how they want to rub their pixel crotch on some other pixels crotch. I know I certainly don't want to see a conversation between a 2 horny teenagers.

uh, i did. where do you think youth get the concepts and ideas that they act out on habbo? their environment. like i have said many times in this thread and like has been said in this thread by others besides me, this has been around before habbo (because of mass media), in the early days of habbo (because of mass media) and now during channel four's super special report. i think that the moderation on habbo is inept and that palafo is useless as well but i don't think either is to blame for sexual things on habbo. i know neither are.

i actually hope than channel four starts caring for our precious children and keeping them from sex like they want habbo to do so strongly. i suggest they stop airing programmes like 'family guy' in timeslots easily accessible to thirteen year olds. how about embarrassing bodies, the show that gets people to go live on webcam and drop their clothing to talk about how they are sad that their breasts are small? kids watch that all of the time. what about glee? a thirteen year old high school student under the age of consent is shown on a bed with a 'bad boy' male over eighteen dressed only in tight underwear while she tells him how hot he is. that was just last month, actually. channel four's '**** week' was pretty interesting. i'm also interested in their special that showed long periods of full frontal male nudity and the presenter naked on camera while he stimulated his erect penis. i remember the skins controversy as well. we all know who the main demographic watching that show was. no need to even say it.

What a kid watches at home is up to them and their parents. Some kids might wan't to have cyber sex with somebody, the majority of kids don't go on Habbo for that, and therefore don't want to see rooms with "Strip club" and "Free sex" as the titles.

jasey

13-06-2012, 08:04 PM

Of course they cannot stop it. They can seriously reduce it, and actively discourage it - rather than telling people to flirt, and have all this ridiculous stuff.
alright, i have gotten my main point across and now i am just having a laugh at things like this. kids shouldn't flirt? flirting is ridiculous stuff? yeah, alright then. i think this will be my last post. have a good night, everyone, and thank you for sharing your ideas with me. whether i agree or not, it is always interesting to hear an opinion.

AgnesIO

13-06-2012, 08:05 PM

Facebook has 11 year old's and younger. I bet there are plenty of porn sites with under age and there are loads of dating sites, adult ones face this and so on, basically sex sites, I wonder how many under age use them - The important thing is where was channel 4 when I used Habbo years back when all this still happened.

Good to meet someone who shares some sense.

Yeah Facebook has 11 year olds. It would also step in when there are problems with content with children being targeted by perverts. Habbo, on the other hand, simply alerts its users, that actually, they are simply wasting the moderators time! Furthermore, the issue has grown dramatically. When I played Habbo, the entire page of popular rooms is full of dating, sex and strip club rooms!

Although, shall we be fair? Channel 4 is a media company. They like a big story, that is their job. It won't be a fair report in that it will skip out that actually many users do like a nice conversation, buying their pixels. But many, do not.

Frisky

13-06-2012, 08:05 PM

New report by Channel 4 posted today

http://www.channel4.com/news/eu-improve-moderation-or-we-will-shut-you-down

AgnesIO

13-06-2012, 08:06 PM

alright, i have gotten my main point across and now i am just having a laugh at things like this. kids shouldn't flirt? flirting is ridiculous stuff? yeah, alright then. i think this will be my last post. have a good night, everyone, and thank you for sharing your ideas with me. whether i agree or not, it is always interesting to hear an opinion.

To be quite honest, flirting in the way we are talking between an 11 year old and some other random person who could be some 40 year old creep claiming to be the same age should not be encouraged.

FlyingJesus

13-06-2012, 08:07 PM

In fairness, I see nothing wrong with children having sex education in prison.

Just warn them to not pick up the soap.

Wow, a prison rape joke. That's totally hilarious considering the estimated 300,000 prison rapes per annum in America, right?

Hate to say it but rape nowadays along with many other gang related crimes has gone up due to immigration.

No dear, the two may have gone up but they are not connected. The main reason for the increase in rape levels is actually just a matter of it being reported more as sex education improves (albeit very slowly) and people have more confidence to do so. Also, a gang-related rape would suggest that it's a case of stranger rape (ie: perpetrated by someone the victim doesn't know), which is the least common scenario of all. That brings us nicely to your next blunder -

When referring to modern rape, I am not making reference to where a husband forces his wife to have sex - a relatively common occurrence in the past.

Rape of a partner (be it male or female, the disparity is nowhere near as wide as people tend to believe) is still by a long long way the most common form of rape. It's nice that you're trying, but please do not get into discussions where you don't know the actual facts, especially when it's something this serious

Bob1

13-06-2012, 08:09 PM

i think this will be my last post. have a good night, everyone, and thank you for sharing your ideas with me. whether i agree or not, it is always interesting to hear an opinion.

I'm disappointed, I was looking forward to further enlightenment on why we should all be nudists, hand condoms to our 5 year olds but treat everyone like a suspect.
Habbo isn't the place for the attitude you're suggesting, no service online or offline is. I very almost hope one day maybe you get to deal with problems relating to these issues first hand, might open your eyes.

Frisky

13-06-2012, 08:10 PM

and another:

http://www.channel4.com/news/high-street-shops-stop-selling-habbo-hotel-gift-cards

jasey

13-06-2012, 08:12 PM

couldn't resist.

This is my last reply to you because quite frankly, I don't think your actually listening to what people are saying to you, and all your doing is repeating yourself.
Habbo hasn't done it before. That is my point. Of course they are going to think about sex, it's part of growing up. That doesn't mean everybody else should have to listen to people's fantasies and how they want to rub their pixel crotch on some other pixels crotch. I know I certainly don't want to see a conversation between a 2 horny teenagers.

What a kid watches at home is up to them and their parents. Some kids might wan't to have cyber sex with somebody, the majority of kids don't go on Habbo for that, and therefore don't want to see rooms with "Strip club" and "Free sex" as the titles.
oh dear, did you start on habbo recently or something? check the older filters and see how much stricter they were. none of this means anything, though, since you can turn the filter off completely with the click of your mouse. why did habbo allow that? because they realise filters are useless and only there to give a false sense of security to tech-imparied parents.

the majority of kids don't go on habbo for sexual content? alright, i'm leaving now but you can feel free to explain why channel four has pointed out that the most popular and full areas, consistently, are the strip clubs and kissing booths and sexy nightclubs and free sex rooms. you figure that one out while i go have something to drink and eat.

bye bye, all! if you quoted me and i haven't read it yet i regret that i have to go eat. i'm diabetic and all, you know. have to keep that glucose level.

AgnesIO

13-06-2012, 08:14 PM

Wow, a prison rape joke. That's totally hilarious considering the estimated 300,000 prison rapes per annum in America, right?

No dear, the two may have gone up but they are not connected. The main reason for the increase in rape levels is actually just a matter of it being reported more as sex education improves (albeit very slowly) and people have more confidence to do so. Also, a gang-related rape would suggest that it's a case of stranger rape (ie: perpetrated by someone the victim doesn't know), which is the least common scenario of all. That brings us nicely to your next blunder -

Rape of a partner (be it male or female, the disparity is nowhere near as wide as people tend to believe) is still by a long long way the most common form of rape. It's nice that you're trying, but please do not get into discussions where you don't know the actual facts, especially when it's something this serious

1) Common little joke, in the words of Sickipedia; "Just because I find something funny, does not mean I subscribe to its rhetoric".

2) The fact education is improving is certainly one argument - is there actually any evidence that this is why more people are being raped? I swear it was a report in the Commons just two (maybe one) day(s) ago. They referred to (I believe it was) Asians. Obviously on this basis the report there was also uneducated.

3) The fact it still exists and is common could be the case. Of course, this would also include when partners are 'raped' over simply a horrible divorce. A friend of mine when I was younger was going out with a girl (both underage, no, I am not condoning that) - who then claimed (and then dropped) that he had raped her. After having the chance to read the texts between them, this was clearly not the case.

4) I am not claiming to be an expert on the matter. But if you want people to only post when they are experts, I suggest that you find a different forum to post on - as a forum like this is simply not for you x

---------- Post added 13-06-2012 at 09:16 PM ----------

couldn't resist.

oh dear, did you start on habbo recently or something? check the older filters and see how much stricter they were. none of this means anything, though, since you can turn the filter off completely with the click of your mouse. why did habbo allow that? because they realise filters are useless and only there to give a false sense of security to tech-imparied parents.

the majority of kids don't go on habbo for sexual content? alright, i'm leaving now but you can feel free to explain why channel four has pointed out that the most popular and full areas, consistently, are the strip clubs and kissing booths and sexy nightclubs and free sex rooms. you figure that one out while i go have something to drink and eat.

bye bye, all! if you quoted me and i haven't read it yet i regret that i have to go eat. i'm diabetic and all, you know. have to keep that glucose level.

Er nice of you to jump to the conclusion on why Habbo removed the filter. I believe (what was said at the time) was that it was at recognition of an older userbase - as they (at one stage) seemed to be moving towards older teenagers.

Also, Habbo (it certainly wasn't when I joined) did not appeal to me because of these rooms - do users even know they exist before signing up?

Bob1

13-06-2012, 08:21 PM

couldn't resist.

oh dear, did you start on habbo recently or something? check the older filters and see how much stricter they were. none of this means anything, though, since you can turn the filter off completely with the click of your mouse. why did habbo allow that? because they realise filters are useless and only there to give a false sense of security to tech-imparied parents.

Sorry I can't resist either, the reason they gave the users the option to self-moderate content is due to cut costs, they cut the amount of staff and moderators it was the easiest way to maintain a pretence of moderation by "giving power back to the user", it was a window-dressing response to an internal shift the same as the ignore button and more user room rights taking slack off an under pressure slim line moderation team as the company watched its profits increase. That's an unfortunate fact. Self moderation is fine with rules that are enforced and as a supliment to over all moderation not as a replacement.

peteyt

13-06-2012, 08:29 PM

Yeah Facebook has 11 year olds. It would also step in when there are problems with content with children being targeted by perverts. Habbo, on the other hand, simply alerts its users, that actually, they are simply wasting the moderators time! Furthermore, the issue has grown dramatically. When I played Habbo, the entire page of popular rooms is full of dating, sex and strip club rooms!

Although, shall we be fair? Channel 4 is a media company. They like a big story, that is their job. It won't be a fair report in that it will skip out that actually many users do like a nice conversation, buying their pixels. But many, do not.

See I've heard of bullying on Facebook and I wonder how much is actually solved you hear about people taking their own life. So there obviously could be more safe guards in place.

But that isn't my main point right now, my main point is yeah channel 4 and every other news agency loves to report the big story. What they are failing to tell the parents is this site has been going on like it has since probably it originally opened and yet won safety awards apparently.

Forgetting if Habbo is good or bad or what not, surely someone should be investigating the current services in place to look at these sites as they seem to be very poor considering it took them this long to work out what habbo was like.

Michael

13-06-2012, 08:47 PM

Saw this on twitter

'I'm not sure I like Channel 4's approach to the Habbo Hotel story. If a paedo approaches children in a park, you don't blame the park.'

lawrawrrr

13-06-2012, 08:51 PM

Saw this on twitter

But in a park there's not meant to be staff moderating all the conversation that goes on?

Andii

13-06-2012, 08:54 PM

OMG JUST REALISED MY "PEETA IN CAVE LOOK" IS IN CHANNEL 4 PIC :O i was sleeping at bottom right corner :(

http://www.channel4.com/media/images/Channel4/c4-news/2012/June/12/12_habboscreengrab2_620_A11.jpg

Mathew

13-06-2012, 08:57 PM

Well I've been busy all day so I've just spent the past few hours reading through the posts in this thread (although I got bored with jasey's debate, sorry!) :P

channel 4 are taking everyone that engages in 'cyber' with that person (or their own fake accounts for the news report) are pedos, when in 99.99999999999999999999999999% of cases the person on the other end will be another 11-13 year old as well... (at least I ******* hope so judging by their spelling).
I've been thinking this too. Pretty huge generalisation and completely inappropriate.

I was talking to a 20 year old yesterday, I was wary of him and after a while he ended up asking for naked pictures.
I think you're making the same mistake as the Channel 4 producer, Laura!! You visit the most dodgy of places! :P

In fairness, I always liked this and made a profit in real cash in the end.
HI DOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!

ludus:

"As a former Sulake employee, great talent spent years building the Habbo brand. Absolute morons destroying it in days! So appalled."

"the response inc. muting all chat is just sheer lunacy. Absolute insane. I can't think of a person inside who would sanction that."

"There should be no mute. Whoever sanctioned that needs to put down the bottle of vodka. It's outrageous, not the Sulake way."
Where did Ludus say this? :O

Kind of shows you the power the media have these days.
This is the thing that I'm most fascinated abount. MG posted a random website yesterday, reporting the story, and it's amazing to see how it's grown so much.

I just read an article saying they was going to remain committed, looks like they changed their mind.
Mmmm. It's a shame that their investors aren't standing by them in times of need, but I suppose they don't really want to be associated with it.

Sign up to tvcatchup.com - that is what I am watching on :)
I WATCHED IT ON HERE TOO.

God, either the site'll be flooded or again or even more news of this will spread about online rapidly lmfao.

From what I've heard though, the news isn't in America xD. Also, I presume we're all still muted (cba to check)?
+rep to first person to find this reported in an American newspaper / news site.

http://i47.tinypic.com/f50kf4.jpg
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THESE ARE FANTASTIC.

http://mattgarner.net/upload/images/2012/06/13/ZxwF6.png

Was given this - Room is made by a Sulake Staff member.
This is soooooo cute!

*snip*
Hi Natalie!! :D

lawrawrrr

13-06-2012, 09:02 PM

I think you're making the same mistake as the Channel 4 producer, Laura!! You visit the most dodgy of places! :P

facebook.

I WANT AN EXPOSE NOW PLZ loljk i just ignored it

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 09:13 PM

Is it just me, or can't you change your motto now lol? I've tried changing it on the .de hotel and it doesn't work at all (it replaces it with the old one when you reload) so idk how it is on .com

Mathew

13-06-2012, 09:21 PM

Some images from the video... woooo!!

http://i.imgur.com/ufZIh.png

http://i.imgur.com/JxEZ6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LYBeW.jpg

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 09:22 PM

Is it just me, or can't you change your motto now lol? I've tried changing it on the .de hotel and it doesn't work at all (it replaces it with the old one when you reload) so idk how it is on .com

Could you check .com and see if that's the case for me? :P

Amberr

13-06-2012, 09:23 PM

Xedia

13-06-2012, 09:24 PM

Could you check .com and see if that's the case for me? :P

.com is the same :)

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 09:24 PM

Could you check .com and see if that's the case for me? :P

Dear God, it is the same case ffs. You can type a new one, press enter and it'll remain like that until you click off your avatar (so that the little infobox in the bottom right vanishes), after that it simply reverts back to the old motto.

Well this is extreme.

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 09:25 PM

.com is the same :)

Dear God, it is the same case ffs. You can type a new one, press enter and it'll remain like that until you click off your avatar (so that the little infobox in the bottom right vanishes), after that it simply reverts back to the old motto.

Well this is extreme.

So that is why we have been getting emails saying people can't sign up to Habbox.com then. Now it makes sense! Thanks :P

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 09:28 PM

Ooer, we still have the ability to write on stickies it's all good. Wonder how long 'till that gets disabled lmfao.

Samantha

13-06-2012, 09:30 PM

Although I think Habbo are taking it too far at least it's made the forum look popular ;).

Mathew

13-06-2012, 09:32 PM

er... is this Jon Snow's leg or what? Green socks?

http://i.imgur.com/sM5Bk.png

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 09:33 PM

Paul just tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/PaulLaFo/status/213021052282998784

His first tweet in many hours as he's been quiet all day!

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 09:36 PM

er... is this Jon Snow's leg or what? Green socks?

http://i.imgur.com/sM5Bk.png

LOL WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT THIS FOR? I'm sure he had blue on either today or yesterday.

Also, lol at Paul LaFontaine subtly getting "revenge". In all fairness, she did say "a large team of moderation" before the moderation team got cut, but nevertheless it makes her seem like a complete hypocrite.

IS IT WEIRD THAT I PRONOUNCE IT "HAR-BO" ? :l

Red

13-06-2012, 09:39 PM

Paul just tweeted the video of becs. LMAO loves it.

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 09:40 PM

https://twitter.com/PaulLaFo/status/213022844962091010

@CrispThinking weighs in saying their software is superior. Perfect! http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-habb … I love a volunteer! Lets all have a look!

And guess who works there... Emma Monks aka RedTiz (Old Sulake Staff) - CrispThinking that is.

mrwoooooooo

13-06-2012, 09:42 PM

https://twitter.com/PaulLaFo/status/213022844962091010

And guess who works there... Emma Monks aka RedTiz (Old Sulake Staff) - CrispThinking that is.
none of the links work? :S

iBlueBox

13-06-2012, 09:42 PM

Paul just tweeted the video of becs. LMAO loves it.

I DM'd Paul that video after it was posted on this thread last night LMAO.

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 09:42 PM

none of the links work? :S

It seems he has just deleted them. Maybe he has realised he was in the wrong or something :S

mrwoooooooo

13-06-2012, 09:43 PM

It seems he has just deleted them. Maybe he has realised he was in the wrong or something :S

From what I've seen of him so far, he's a blundering fool. Won't last long as CEO

Mathew

13-06-2012, 09:44 PM

Paul just tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/PaulLaFo/status/213021052282998784

His first tweet in many hours as he's been quiet all day!
It's been taken down now? He's playing it dirty! I guess he's hoping the media will pick up on that... but perhaps they'd just say how it's changed over time and put the blame on Paul himself.. :P

LOL WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT THIS FOR? I'm sure he had blue on either today or yesterday.

Also, lol at Paul LaFontaine subtly getting "revenge". In all fairness, she did say "a large team of moderation" before the moderation team got cut, but nevertheless it makes her seem like a complete hypocrite.

IS IT WEIRD THAT I PRONOUNCE IT "HAR-BO" ? :l
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I just watched the Channel 4 News video from last night and thought... WHAT ARE THEY?!?!

Aaron

13-06-2012, 09:44 PM

It seems he has just deleted them. Maybe he has realised he was in the wrong or something :S

Was just going to say that, thought I clicked off something. Wonder what he's doing? :S

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 09:45 PM

It's been taken down now? He's playing it dirty! I guess he's hoping the media will pick up on that... but perhaps they'd just say how it's changed over time and put the blame on Paul himself.. :P

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I just watched the Channel 4 News video from last night and thought... WHAT ARE THEY?!?!

The first one was a video of Becs a few years ago saying Habbo is safe and talked about the moderation of the Hotels. It's been posted in this thread before and the tweet was like "The internet doesn't forget Rebecca" or something.

Xedia

13-06-2012, 09:46 PM

I hope he gets fired. Hopefully he'll be replaced with someone that knows what they are doing.

Mathew

13-06-2012, 09:46 PM

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 09:46 PM

Paul, try get more revenge plz. This is great. Shame I didn't see the links in time :(
Mathew; at least the match the colour of his tie LOL.

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 09:47 PM

@CrispThinking weighs in saying their software is superior. Perfect! http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-habb … I love a volunteer! Lets all have a look!

That MarketWatch link doesn't work either. Is he making fun that she's only a volunteer rather than in a paid position at Sulake? I don't get it? :P

There you go:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-habbo-hotel-proves-that-human-moderators-cannot-stop-online-sex-predators-2012-06-13

Mathew

13-06-2012, 09:48 PM

Paul, try get more revenge plz. This is great. Shame I didn't see the links in time :(
@Mathew (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=31230); at least the match the colour of his tie LOL.
Hahahaha, he's funny! :P Good point... I'm just gonna HAVE to see if his socks and tie matched today... *finds video*.

INTERSOCIAL YOU SHOULD BE MAKING NEWS REPORTS ON THESE TWEETS!! OMG HOP TO!!

There you go:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-habbo-hotel-proves-that-human-moderators-cannot-stop-online-sex-predators-2012-06-13
Thank you!! :D

Red

13-06-2012, 09:51 PM

I DM'd Paul that video after it was posted on this thread last night LMAO.

Ahh thats great! Even though it was 2 years ago, she is still a hypocrite imo. Paul should really be tweeting now about the measures they are planning to introduce and take some responsibility.

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 09:51 PM

Habbos, the staff worked all day today on very specific solutions to improve user safety. Good ideas. More news soon. Thanks for patience!

https://twitter.com/PaulLaFo/status/213025861178363905

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 09:52 PM

Hahahaha, he's funny! :P Good point... I'm just gonna HAVE to see if his socks and tie matched today... *finds video*.

INTERSOCIAL YOU SHOULD BE MAKING NEWS REPORTS ON THESE TWEETS!! OMG HOP TO!!

Thank you!! :D

No, I'll get told off again :(. (I'm kidding before one of the people comes and starts complaining :llllllllllll). LMAO, obsession with Jon Snow much Mathew? ;). + ye ty for the new link Matt x

I might make a news article if I can think 'bout stuff to write? ok. x

Xedia

13-06-2012, 09:54 PM

"Habbos, the staff worked all day today on very specific solutions to improve user safety. Good ideas. More news soon. Thanks for patience!"

I wonder what he done today.

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 09:55 PM

"Habbos, the staff worked all day today on very specific solutions to improve user safety. Good ideas. More news soon. Thanks for patience!"

I wonder what he done today.

I would assume a lot of meetings, gather the staff in and talk about what they can do to improve safety and solve this mess.

Xedia

13-06-2012, 09:56 PM

I would assume a lot of meetings, gather the staff in and talk about what they can do to improve safety and solve this mess.

A lot of meetings with share holders, saying they are pulling out. :rolleyes:

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 09:58 PM

A lot of meetings with share holders, saying they are pulling out. :rolleyes:

Only two so far! :P - Well one today to fair.

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 09:58 PM

This mute is doing wonders for the forum lmfao:

The most members online in one day was 451, Today.

Gina

13-06-2012, 10:01 PM

okay well I saw this on the news n stuff so came on but like they'll deffo lose money and since they stopped selling those gift things as well in shops today, it isnt exactly very good..
i don't think it will shut just alot of money will be lost and the like amount of players with decrease no doubt.
I think c4 went abit OTT though like saying its a paedo heaven? but eh

October

13-06-2012, 10:01 PM

Just about 10 minutes ago he posted a tweet that many Habbos were talking about beforehand.

In the C4 interivew with Becs, she said how appalled she was at how Habbo's moderation was now. But two years ago, she said Habbo is safe. Paul tweeted a link to that video and said something like "Rebecca says here what is safe and isn't, the internet never forgets!" and posted the video.

Firstly, the interview in that video was over two years ago, before the merge when we still had local moderators (and SG ones). Secondly, how dare you blame HER for mistakes made AFTER she left? After two moderation changes. How is it her fault, and how can he blame her for Habbo's present condition?

I tweeted him that and he blocked me for calling him out on his unprofessionalism. I told him he needs to take responsibility for what is happening now, not try to pass it off on someone who left the company years ago.

Seriously, though - one of the investors said they were informed about this *last* week, and asked Sulake about it and they were extremely slow to answer. How can he fault anyone else?

Here's the video he tweeted, btw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXMaj-Ex6I8

Threads merged by Jordan (Forum Super Moderator): As both on same topic

OhLiam

13-06-2012, 10:02 PM

Only two so far! :P - Well one today to fair.
Who pulled out today?

Mathew

13-06-2012, 10:03 PM

No, I'll get told off again :(. (I'm kidding before one of the people comes and starts complaining :llllllllllll). LMAO, obsession with Jon Snow much Mathew? ;). + ye ty for the new link Matt x

I might make a news article if I can think 'bout stuff to write? ok. x
Hahahahaha, something I noticed ok!! ;l

http://www.channel4.com/news/high-street-shops-stop-selling-habbo-hotel-gift-cards
I've watched both those videos now... are those the only things that were aired?

Tomorrow though... the Habbo homepage was on that blurred screen. I feel sorry for Habbo! :(

This mute is doing wonders for the forum lmfao:

WOOOO!! :D:D

Anyway... just watched those videos and that reporter is terrible at interviewing. He was trying to go for the Jeremy Paxman style and it just came across as rude and ignorant rather than pressing for further debate.

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 10:05 PM

Who pulled out today?

3i or i3 (i forgot which way around xD).

Xedia

13-06-2012, 10:05 PM

Who pulled out today?

3i, Sulake's main investor.

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 10:05 PM

Who pulled out today?

http://www.3i.com/

OhLiam

13-06-2012, 10:09 PM

http://www.3i.com/
What percentage did they have?

Nd this paullafo guy is so unprofessional, isn't he supposed to be CEO.

Mathew

13-06-2012, 10:11 PM

Intersocial; HERE'S YOUR BIG STORY!!!! ;)

Yepppp, it was a pretty dirty move tbh - I wonder if the media will pick up on it! :P

Kieran

13-06-2012, 10:12 PM

Intersocial; HERE'S YOUR BIG STORY!!!! ;)

Yepppp, it was a pretty dirty move tbh - I wonder if the media will pick up on it! :P

He's deleted it now.

Xedia

13-06-2012, 10:12 PM

What percentage did they have?

Nd this paullafo guy is so unprofessional, isn't he supposed to be CEO.

16%

And that's a catchy name, Paullafo, Puffufalo, Plufalo. And yeah, he is awful.

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 10:20 PM

He's deleted it now.

If you mean Paul LaFo's deleted it, then he'll wish he'd never put it up in the first place ;).

What was her exact role someone?

Mathew

13-06-2012, 10:20 PM

He's deleted it now.
Yeah but I'm sure someone will have noticed it and sent it in! :P

October

13-06-2012, 10:20 PM

@Intersocial (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=86637); HERE'S YOUR BIG STORY!!!! ;)

Yepppp, it was a pretty dirty move tbh - I wonder if the media will pick up on it! :P
He DELETED it LOL. But only after I called him out on it, and he blocked me for it.

That tweet made me lose any and all respect I ever held for him.

Kieran

13-06-2012, 10:22 PM

She was the head of community moderation wasn't she? She used to be Head Hobba :P

Red

13-06-2012, 10:22 PM

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 10:23 PM

If you mean Paul LaFo's deleted it, then he'll wish he'd never put it up in the first place ;).

What was her exact role someone?

Community Operations Manager - July 2002 to January 2006

Director, Community - July 2002 - October 2007

http://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccanewton

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 10:25 PM

Community Operations Manager - July 2002 to January 2006

Director, Community - July 2002 - October 2007

http://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccanewton

Thanks babe x and Ty Kieran :)

Go on, someone quote that post with my tag in once more, I dare you :l <3.

October

13-06-2012, 10:28 PM

It was a dirty move but c4 haven't been playing dirty? The report made it seem like she had never even entered habbo before. Fair enough if she had of been upfront and mentioned her previous role on the site and her original views and why they changed but she never. I don't see how he is blaming her for their mistakes but I do agree that Paul needs to take some responsbility and should be admitting that moderation has declined in standards since the merge and the measures he plans to take.C4 was only investigating the safety side of Habbo, though, and I don't think most people are understanding that. They're interpreting it all as an attack to Habbo itself, and it isn't.

"The purpose of our report was to bring this issue of moderation to light and highlight the potential dangers to young children."

And now Habbos are sticking up for Paul when just last week they were making the same complaints, the same ones tehy've been making since the merge! I don't understand it one bit.

A4R0N

13-06-2012, 10:28 PM

tbh habbo are getting 90% of the blame for this when they should only really be getting 10% the rest should fall to the parents of children

OhLiam

13-06-2012, 10:31 PM

October

13-06-2012, 10:31 PM

tbh habbo are getting 90% of the blame for this when they should only really be getting 10% the rest should fall to the parents of childrenNot always. For the under-aged people, yeah, but then the moderators don't do enough to close the cybering rooms, firstly, or to stop the graphic, violent, pornographic talk.

---------- Post added 13-06-2012 at 04:32 PM ----------

I was annoyed that becs said what she did, but actually thinking about it. The whole thing about sulake outsourcing its moderation team is kind of the reason why moderation deteriorated the way it did. PaulLaFo needs a good smack in the puss, don't even know him and I dislike him lol
Becs worked there til 07, though, and even when the interview (10) was there, it was with old UK mods still there, too, and Emma Monks lol.

But then they outsourced to SG.
and then in 2012 they outsourced to a call center.

of course she'd be shocked.

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 10:33 PM

I think what Rebecca said in that video was fantastic (about Moshi Monsters) - how moderators are casually browsing the site constantly for bad behaviour, even without a report being in made. It's a shame that there a) aren't enough mods for that on Habbo b) the community is far too big c) moderators don't even use the game :l.

I don't think it's fair C4 compared Moshi Monsters to Habbo, but that moderation technique mentioned if something Sulake really need to bring back :P.

scottish

13-06-2012, 10:35 PM

Hotel merged in 2009

Mods would have been changed to SG at the same time iirc.

Kieran

13-06-2012, 10:35 PM

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 10:35 PM

It's in NZ also, lol: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10812917.
+ The Philippines: http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/lifestyle/06/13/12/popular-online-kids-game-shuts-chat-after-sex-scandal

OhLiam

13-06-2012, 10:35 PM

Becs worked there til 07, though, and even when the interview (10) was there, it was with old UK mods still there, too, and Emma Monks lol.

But then they outsourced to SG.
and then in 2012 they outsourced to a call center.

of course she'd be shocked.
Yeah I know, I said actually thinking about it I don't grudge her. What she said was true.

Pigperson

13-06-2012, 10:36 PM

Never knew she actually worked at Habbo before but I do agree that this is an old interview so isn't really related :S

Will

A4R0N

13-06-2012, 10:39 PM

[QUOTE=J-Raviv;7566208]Not always. For the under-aged people, yeah, but then the moderators don't do enough to close the cybering rooms, firstly, or to stop the graphic, violent, pornographic talk.

---------- Post added 13-06-2012 at 04:32 PM ---------
i get what your saying and yes mods need to get to work on doing their job efficiently but again parents should always be watching what their child is doing if they don't want them going on webcam to strangers etc set up a password for it so they have to come to you to use it etc

MissAlice

13-06-2012, 10:39 PM

Sulake lost their way, when they relaxed the rules.

I never understood why dating rooms and rooms with names that entice the loneliest and possibly the most vulnerable of players was acceptable. There needs to be far better education on using sites like Habbo, but what good is educating, if the morals of the site are poor?

We may all speak English, but it may as well be Swahili. Moderation should be carried out by staff from the countries that the majority of Habbos register from. So if 50% of players are UK based, the same should apply to moderation. Moderators need to be able to clearly understand the language used. I’m all for improving the unemployed situation here in the UK, providing they pass the necessary checks.

Employ the right staff to ensure that the Hotel is a safe and friendly environment, for people of every age, and not just 13+. I always felt Hobbas did a great job, so I never understood why they were removed, and if was for security reasons it didn’t work.

As for the muting, I imagine they have no other immediate tool to use, while they work on changing the filters and any further modifications. They obviously have a fear of losing income and players whilst they sort themselves out, when what they should be doing is closing the Hotel posting a message claiming they are doing necessary maintenance work, and try to rescue what is now tarnished. Unfortunately the media have blown this out of proportion, but I don’t think Sulake have done enough to prevent it from happening. They simply weren’t guarding the Hotel.

Red

13-06-2012, 10:41 PM

C4 was only investigating the safety side of Habbo, though, and I don't think most people are understanding that. They're interpreting it all as an attack to Habbo itself, and it isn't.

"The purpose of our report was to bring this issue of moderation to light and highlight the potential dangers to young children."

And now Habbos are sticking up for Paul when just last week they were making the same complaints, the same ones tehy've been making since the merge! I don't understand it one bit.

Yea I have complained about moderation in the past, even tweeted him about it but the report angered me and was an unfair attack on them. It was completely exaggerated and they were making it seem like this type of activity was all that went on. It is confined to a select number of rooms and you know fine rightly there are thousands of perfectly acceptable rooms. The reporter removed the filter and went to those rooms. Where was it mentioned that habbo run safety campaigns and work alongside other organisations? Habbo are guilty of skimping on moderation and encouraging dating but it is not as bad as they portrayed.

October

13-06-2012, 10:41 PM

Hotel merged in 2009

Mods would have been changed to SG at the same time iirc.
We merged in 2010. Before the merge, we had original, local mods, and we were getting SG mods. Then after merge it was just SG.

Kyle

13-06-2012, 10:43 PM

come on paradice, it isn't like you do be AGAINST a habbo staff member, least of all the big boss??? I take it you don't like the taste of his butt hole as much as some of the others?

at least he has started tweeting again attempting to reassure his community and, to give him some credit, he did remove the posts about crisp moderation and becs after he realised what an idiot he was
http://i49.tinypic.com/qbc.png

lets hope this mute is sorted within the next few days or people will start moving to other sites like secondlife and IMVU.... now those are paedophile havens.

Special

13-06-2012, 10:44 PM

if habbo don't improve moderation asap they will be shut down

October

13-06-2012, 10:47 PM

Yea I have complained about moderation in the past, even tweeted him about it but the report angered me and was an unfair attack on them. It was completely exaggerated and they were making it seem like this type of activity was all that went on. It is confined to a select number of rooms and you know fine rightly there are thousands of perfectly acceptable rooms. The reporter removed the filter and went to those rooms. Where was it mentioned that habbo run safety campaigns and work alongside other organisations? Habbo are guilty of skimping on moderation and encouraging dating but it is not as bad as they portrayed.
I've been in rooms outside dating rooms to see others being verbally abusive for quite some time, and moderators don't intervene. I've seen people being sexual in non-dating rooms, as well. People tried to cyber in Plah's and my Habbo school.

When was the last time Habbo ran a safety campaign? During Habboween, but it was hardly a safety promotion lol... :\ They did IPOS and some other group, engen or something... Unrelated to Habbo. only one was staying safe online and that was exclusive to Singaporeans.

It is as bad as they portrayed it. Maybe not to you, but to many others definitely. Especially parents that should be concerned, thinking Habbo is safe and their kids aren't exposed to these dangers.

Even safety experts have agreed with this, after they have even witnessed and investigated it for themselves!

---------- Post added 13-06-2012 at 04:48 PM ----------

come on paradice, it isn't like you do be AGAINST a habbo staff member, least of all the big boss??? I take it you don't like the taste of his butt hole as much as some of the others?

at least he has started tweeting again attempting to reassure his community and, to give him some credit, he did remove the posts about crisp moderation and becs after he realised what an idiot he was
http://i49.tinypic.com/qbc.png

lets hope this mute is sorted within the next few days or people will start moving to other sites like secondlife and IMVU.... now those are paedophile havens.
i've never agreed with anything paul said. he's ruined habbo for me and many others, and he won't accept responsibility for his actions lol.

mrwoooooooo

13-06-2012, 10:50 PM

tbh habbo are getting 90% of the blame for this when they should only really be getting 10% the rest should fall to the parents of children
bollocks.

How are they supposed to know what their children are doing 24/7?

Habbo shouldn't be allowing it end of.

Jordy

13-06-2012, 10:51 PM

Sorry, but am I the only one who think that Paul actually isn't a bad CEO?Of course you are. What sort of a good CEO would have his company as headline news two days in a row, trending on Twitter, have two multi-national investors pull out totalling 28% of Sulake and threatened with closure?

Let's also not forget that he's declined interviews, failed to address the issues quickly (hence why the investors have jumped ship) and his Twitter account is just full of bitterness towards the news rather than understanding and apologetic.

As CEO he's responsible for it all, the cost cutting measures and changes in filter, advertising etc which led to the mess in the first place. It's foolish to think he is anything other than a "bad CEO" right now.

Frisky

13-06-2012, 10:53 PM

Paul needs to stop ******** on Twitter to ex-Habbo staff (who were around when Habbo was actually moderated properly - they did their job) and sort out the problem at hand.

I see Ludus (ex-hotel manger) was on twitter to give his comment:
http://i.imgur.com/0BVGu.png

even Lily Allen is talking about Habbo. She was one who visited Habbo UK aswell lol...
http://i.imgur.com/rjcDR.png

October

13-06-2012, 10:54 PM

bollocks.

How are they supposed to know what their children are doing 24/7?

Habbo shouldn't be allowing it end of.they should be doing more to prevent it.

g-d if channel 4 showed what happens on the group forums then LOOL sulake would be so ******.

MKR&*42

13-06-2012, 10:55 PM

Lol wow, celebs are even tweeting about it now?

FlyingJesus

13-06-2012, 10:56 PM

Well they do live in the same world with the same news as us

October

13-06-2012, 10:58 PM

Lol wow, celebs are even tweeting about it now?what celebs?

October

13-06-2012, 10:59 PM

will still open on time? LOL.

it's gonna open to be on global mute wow.

Thread merged by Jordan (Forum Super Moderator): As same topic!

LoveToStack

13-06-2012, 11:01 PM

I don't see what they can possibly do as a long-term solution to this. Sure they can add more filters but people always have and always will find ways around word filters. Yeah they could get moderators to clamp down on rooms which promote online dating within the client. Just like they clamped down on all those horrific casinos which promoted online gambling a few months back. Good thing that stamped out that problem for good and arcades don't exist. Oh... wait... they do.

The point is that Habbo has always been one of the largest sites where young teens congregate and large numbers make it harder to moderate and that in turn attracts people intending to exploit kids. This kind of thing has always happened on the hotel. Always. I'm going on 10 years playing the game and haven't seen any dramatic increase in exploitation which corresponds to outsourced moderation. It's just a part of the game and something you learn to live with.

I'm firmly of the belief that it's not Habbo's responsibility. As a parent you shouldn't be relying on the websites your kid uses to instill morals and common sense into them. This whole mute thing is a ridiculous knee-jerk reaction because as I've said numerous times now: this sort of thing isn't new at all.

Frisky

13-06-2012, 11:01 PM

what celebs?

Lily Allen, obviously? Read up ^^

Jordy

13-06-2012, 11:03 PM

Just for nostalgia I specifically remember meeting Lily Allen on Habbo just days after her break-through hit Smile went #1 and she became massive over night. Good times.

Special

13-06-2012, 11:04 PM

what celebs?

the term 'has been' is more appropriate than 'celeb' when lily allen is involved

Frisky

13-06-2012, 11:06 PM

Only thing I'm pissed off at is the fact websites/games like Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, World of Warcraft, Runescape, etc etc etc have these problems also and they've targeted 1 social website which will now most likely cost people their jobs and a great deal of money.

Red

13-06-2012, 11:08 PM

GommeInc

13-06-2012, 11:09 PM

https://twitter.com/PaulLaFo/status/213025861178363905
He talks too much like Lady Gaga. She starts off some sentences directed at her fans with "Monsters, we're..." It scares and distresses me :(

October

13-06-2012, 11:12 PM

Well I received a minimal quite recently on the dangers of sharing your pictures? There are plenty of people I know who are forever getting banned for sexually explicitness and feel habbo can be quite tough regarding it. Like Kyle said there are worse sites than habbo. Tonight they also had experts from CEOP and UKIE. Did you listen to their views? Krishnan Guru-Murthy didn't even let them speak.... Said it all really.They JUST sent that out this week after one of their Investors contacted them about this whole situation.

and no i dind't watch tonight's broadcast, i'm not brit, where can i see the video

Frisky

13-06-2012, 11:17 PM

the term 'has been' is more appropriate than 'celeb' when lily allen is involved

"A celebrity, also referred to as a celeb in popular culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_culture), is a person who has a prominent profile and commands a great degree of public fascination and influence in day-to-day media (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_media)"

Just saying.

Special

13-06-2012, 11:20 PM

"A celebrity, also referred to as a celeb in popular culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_culture), is a person who has a prominent profile and commands a great degree of public fascination and influence in day-to-day media (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_media)"

Just saying.

she doesn't 'command a great degree of public fascination and influence in day-to-day media' though

GommeInc

13-06-2012, 11:20 PM

And now Habbos are sticking up for Paul when just last week they were making the same complaints, the same ones tehy've been making since the merge! I don't understand it one bit.
Two words: Blind loyalty.

tbh habbo are getting 90% of the blame for this when they should only really be getting 10% the rest should fall to the parents of children
Don't fall for the Habbo loyalists rhetoric! Although the parents should tell their children of these risks, the parents themselves do not really know of them either - parents were out of school for decades when these concerns became a reality. Quite a lot of blame is on Habbo for not providing a duty of care for their users. Legally speaking, they're the ones at fault because they're the ones offering a service directed at underaged teens and children, and not protecting them. Parents cannot be expected to look after children 24/7, and the argument that they should only really works when the child breaks the law and not a business that should be protecting them where the parents can not.

scottish

13-06-2012, 11:21 PM

why the **** do people constantly make new threads with useless **** that fits in with the ******* massive HABBO MUTE AND ALL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ******* CHANNEL 4 NEWS INVESTIGATION thread.

and it's not due to open until july afaik so I fail to see how it would change anything.

Red

13-06-2012, 11:21 PM

October

13-06-2012, 11:24 PM

Um no it wasn't sent out this week. It was long before that. Minimail is down but shall check the date that when it comes back.

http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/130612/clipid/130612_HABBODEBATE_13
http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/130612/clipid/130612_HABBOEU_13
Not sure if you can see those but I'm sure it will be uploaded to youtube soon.
it was sent last friday, same time the blog was published.
still, sulake didn't answer their owners about the allegations, and it took an expose to showcase this.

if channel4 showed the forum messages, sulake would be screwed, what with all of the child pornography...

Bob1

13-06-2012, 11:24 PM

At the end of the day the site she works on hasn't been threatened with closure by the European Union so I guess he can point fingers or try to shift attention as much as he wants, a very unprofessional tactic, he seems unwilling to take any responsibility and is clinging to this idea his company has been vicimised by the media with him knowing best (just my opinion from watching these tweets today). The facts are that the situation has changed since she made that comment I don't see any hypocrisy here on her part. Even after the merge Emma, Doreen, Bex, Johno and others all still worked within the community, experienced Habbo users and ex-MODs. Timo only stepped down as CEO in 2011 and in that year I'd say there was a heavy decline and coincidentally all of these names abandoned ship. I worked with Becs for years, she is a consummate professional and very passionate about what she does so I might be a little bias.

Kyle

13-06-2012, 11:32 PM

doubt they have any space left in the budget now for another hotel. i expect they will be merging all non-english speaking hotels with the english speakings ones to scrimp on staffing costs soon enough!

lawrawrrr

13-06-2012, 11:33 PM

Wow, I can't believe even 'celebrities' are tweeting about it too... although it looks like at least ONE ex sulake staff isn't knocking and gossiping about Habbo...

lawrawrrr

13-06-2012, 11:34 PM

Probably will wait till the mute is lifted, no point opening to silence...

sex

13-06-2012, 11:34 PM

I was annoyed that becs said what she did, but actually thinking about it. The whole thing about sulake outsourcing its moderation team is kind of the reason why moderation deteriorated the way it did. PaulLaFo needs a good smack in the puss, don't even know him and I dislike him lol

Exactly, two years ago Habbo still had the UK based mods who interacted with the community and knew how to correctly deal with things, now they don't. It's silly how people can't think a persons opinion can change in two years, a lot on habbo has changed.

October

13-06-2012, 11:35 PM

https://twitter.com/RebeccaNewton/status/213051944837726208

@xprdc (https://twitter.com/xprdc) thanks very much for the comment. I don't know why anyone was using a 2+ year old vid to address 2012 issues, very odd, but oh well

and then this one

https://twitter.com/SussedYa/status/213025879188717568

Rottentroll

13-06-2012, 11:37 PM

He should stop tweeting and do his job.

lawrawrrr

13-06-2012, 11:38 PM

Just watched todays update.... oh GOD I HATE CHANNEL 4.

He wouldn't even let the poor women speak to defend themselves! As soon as the UKIE woman started talking about parental responsibility he started talking over her...

scottish

13-06-2012, 11:39 PM

He should stop tweeting and do his job.

It takes maybe 5 seconds to type a tweet?

If he doesn't tweet then you'll cry that they're not giving the users any information on whats going on...

October

13-06-2012, 11:39 PM

He should stop tweeting and do his job.
LOL THIS SO MUCH.
shame we have to talk on twitter instead of habbo.

---------- Post added 13-06-2012 at 05:40 PM ----------

It takes maybe 5 seconds to type a tweet?

If he doesn't tweet then you'll cry that they're not giving the users any information on whats going on...
all he does is tweet, instead of fixing whatever problem is to why we can't talk, anywhere, for g-d knows how much longer.

lawrawrrr

13-06-2012, 11:40 PM

I'm glad channel 4 has provoked Sulake and brought this to their attention (so they can sort out decent mods soon), but i think it's VERY unlikely the hotel will shut.

scottish

13-06-2012, 11:42 PM

He's been silent all day until tonight?

Fail to see how all he does is tweet...

Special

13-06-2012, 11:43 PM

why did becs leave habbo anyway? did she resign, get sacked or get made redundant? she sounds incredibly sour about the whole thing

Rottentroll

13-06-2012, 11:43 PM

It takes maybe 5 seconds to type a tweet?

If he doesn't tweet then you'll cry that they're not giving the users any information on whats going on...

I'm sure I'll be fine. I don't use twitter.

xxMATTGxx

13-06-2012, 11:43 PM

LOL THIS SO MUCH.
shame we have to talk on twitter instead of habbo.

---------- Post added 13-06-2012 at 05:40 PM ----------

all he does is tweet, instead of fixing whatever problem is to why we can't talk, anywhere, for g-d knows how much longer.

Well he didn't tweet most of the day until this evening....

scottish

13-06-2012, 11:45 PM

I'm sure I'll be fine. I don't use twitter.

Then instead of one person crying that he should 'do his job' instead of tweeting, we'll have a few hundred complaining that he should 'do his job' and update the community as to whats happening.

GommeInc

13-06-2012, 11:45 PM

scottish has a point, he has been in meetings today seeing the backs of investors as they leave Sulake for the last time and we can only assume he is doing something useful like changing the way the service is provided. His Tweets maybe useless and mostly there to attack ex-employees and the media, but these tweets aren't exactly going to take hours off his day.

I still think they should kick him out, he's a bit useless as CEOs go, trying to fob off blame on people who aren't there. he should also just turn off the client, keeping it up is a stupid idea. A quick message saying why and a twitter feed should suffice. He's only got it up still because he wants to squeeze more money out of a rock.

October

13-06-2012, 11:46 PM

Well he didn't tweet most of the day until this evening....and still no real updates.

Red

13-06-2012, 11:48 PM

Just for nostalgia I specifically remember meeting Lily Allen on Habbo just days after her break-through hit Smile went #1 and she became massive over night. Good times.

Ahh me too. Still have the screenies lmao. Don't know what she is talking about. Kid's can see her tweets without even signing up to twitter.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/_pobodys_nerfect_/LILY1.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/_pobodys_nerfect_/lily5.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/_pobodys_nerfect_/lily3.png

scottish

13-06-2012, 11:49 PM

and still no real updates.

which implies they're still discussing whats happening

I'd prefer not telling us 'ok the hotel will resume as normal at x time' then complications arise causing it to be pushed back.

When they know i'm sure they'll let the community know.

Special

13-06-2012, 11:49 PM

I'm glad channel 4 has provoked Sulake and brought this to their attention (so they can sort out decent mods soon), but i think it's VERY unlikely the hotel will shut.

are you joking? this is possibly the worst thing that could have happened to Habbo

October

13-06-2012, 11:50 PM

Yeah, the badges that were given got took back as soon as it ended. Same with me, the lack of communication put me off too.
Not to mention how overly-controlling some others were.

@Samanfa

lawrawrrr

13-06-2012, 11:50 PM

are you joking? this is possibly the worst thing that could have happened to Habbo

Exposing paedos isn't a good thing? are YOU joking? Despite the bad media, they probably won't shut down, and will have to sort out proper moderation.

Special

13-06-2012, 11:58 PM

Exposing paedos isn't a good thing? are YOU joking? Despite the bad media, they probably won't shut down, and will have to sort out proper moderation.

I fail to see how dozens of major national and international news stations calling Habbo a 'pedophile haven' is a good thing, not to mention the 3 major high-street stores removing Habbo gift card (and counting) & major companies withdrawing their shares in the company

It should be in Sulakes intention, as a million pound business (with a quarter of a billion registered users), to ALREADY have flawless moderation - it shouldn't take Channel 4, The Mail, The Guardian, Telegraph etc etc to get Sulakes ass into gear

GommeInc

13-06-2012, 11:59 PM

Do not forget that the European Commission is now involved, if Habbo doesn't sort itself out it could be closed down or severely hampered.

lawrawrrr

14-06-2012, 12:02 AM

I fail to see how dozens of major national and international news stations calling Habbo a 'pedophile haven' is a good thing, not to mention the 3 major high-street stores removing Habbo gift card (and counting) & major companies withdrawing their shares in the company

It should be in Sulakes intention, as a million pound business (with a quarter of a billion registered users), to ALREADY have flawless moderation - it shouldn't take Channel 4, The Mail, The Guardian, Telegraph etc etc to get Sulakes ass into gear

Of course in an ideal world it would already be flawless, but it's not. And nothing was ever going to happen unless something like this news report was published. It's obviously going to give it a bad reputation and put a huge dent in the profits for now, but they weren't just going to miraculously improve things just out of the goodness of their own hearts (as much as they should have done, of course).

Mathew

14-06-2012, 12:09 AM

I think they'll probably ditch the whole idea? :P

Zak

14-06-2012, 12:21 AM

This Paul guys seems to know **** all about Habbo, he should take his information from the users who have played Habbo for a long time.. like most people on this forum. If he blocked you J-Raviv; it shows how unprofessional the guy really is.

Mathew

14-06-2012, 12:22 AM

Good post by Intersocial; up on Habbox.com!! Someone should send a link to Becs on Twitter - I bet she RTs!! :P
http://habbox.com/#!/News/article/1307

Mathew

14-06-2012, 12:26 AM

It's not letting me create an event now - looks like they've blocked that aswell! Stickies can still be edited, though!

PriceTags

14-06-2012, 12:34 AM

I've not been on Habbo or on here for a while, but I'm really appalled, but not particularly surprised, about what's gone on. I heard that it was on the news last night and saw it trending on Twitter and I felt quite mournful. It would be a shame if Habbo ended up closing down, but when I compare the safety measures when I last regularly used it, where you couldn't get a moderator for love nor money to those when I first joined (I remember wondering why my chat came up as saying "this room needs a bobba of paint") and there being mods and Hobbas left, right and centre, and I was forever getting two hour bans, I completely get it.

It's been obvious since the merge that they've been trying to cut costs and increase margins - but moderation is an area that should not be touched. Although there is now only, for example, one English speaking hotel, there is still (in theory) the same number of users and therefore there should be the same number of moderators. Even if it would have been costly, it wouldn't have been as costly as this mess.

I'm wondering if this is the beginning of the end.

Velma.

14-06-2012, 12:47 AM

Wow, I can't believe even 'celebrities' are tweeting about it too... although it looks like at least ONE ex sulake staff isn't knocking and gossiping about Habbo...
WHICH CELEBS?

Jordy

14-06-2012, 12:59 AM

Good post by @Intersocial (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=86637); up on Habbox.com!! Someone should send a link to Becs on Twitter - I bet she RTs!! :P
http://habbox.com/#!/News/article/1307And people complain about the quality of Channel 4's journalism...

sex

14-06-2012, 01:03 AM

does anyone have info on this? like an article or something like a open date? i never even knew about this :P

scottish

14-06-2012, 01:09 AM

https://twitter.com/PaulLaFo/status/209015007369887744

April 2012, it was announced that Habbo Turkey would take registrations in June 2012, before a live opening in July 2012

DPS

14-06-2012, 01:27 AM

So i made a room that spells "**** CH4" and yeah this is what happens lol

http://oi50.tinypic.com/2v7vs52.jpg

Samantha

14-06-2012, 01:40 AM

I remember attempting to go on to url and other day it said forbidden then it said not found or whatever. I think it might still go ahead? Not sure though.

Shockwave.2CC

14-06-2012, 02:07 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsp22NZN0RY&feature=youtu.be

Shockwave.2CC

14-06-2012, 02:33 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsp22NZN0RY&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsp22NZN0RY&feature=plcp <<< Correct

DeapMeaning

14-06-2012, 02:37 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsp22NZN0RY&feature=youtu.be (http://t.co/4mZK6mrC) <-- please watch this video and comment on it i want to make sure Channel 4 sees this video spread it everywhere please

Threads merged by Jordan (Forum Super Moderator): As same topic

Odette

14-06-2012, 02:54 AM

I seriously hope Channel 4 see this. The way they victimised Habbo instead of focusing on an important issue is wrong, and they should be issuing an apology regarding how they have portrayed their report.

Ladiesman13

14-06-2012, 03:04 AM

Bringing Hobbas back would be a fantastic idea. ;)

Shockwave.2CC

14-06-2012, 03:09 AM

I don't think it would because of the mute

But I bet it will

Odette

14-06-2012, 03:13 AM

October

14-06-2012, 03:25 AM

That's quite unprofessional for a CEO to do. However, I don't like how Channel 4 made Rebecca out to be an expert with no links to Habbo. I also don't like how Rebecca made out she was shocked by what she saw, when it was only two years ago she was praising Habbo's moderation - when let's be honest, it wasn't that different in terms of how cyber sex was dealt with.

I personally think she was probably trying to save her reputation and any credibility she may have by talking to Channel 4, in the hope of what she said two years ago would be forgotten.

https://twitter.com/RebeccaNewton/status/213059416038191104

https://twitter.com/RebeccaNewton/status/213058179217620992

https://twitter.com/RebeccaNewton/status/213052455901069312

https://twitter.com/RebeccaNewton/status/213056704357740544

https://twitter.com/RebeccaNewton/status/213057700068724737

https://twitter.com/RebeccaNewton/status/213062326226653184

I think Rebecca was geniunely shocked. She's been doing community safety for decades now, and to look back at Habbo and see the moderation performing so poorly from when she left would be disturbing. Imagine you kept a beautiful mansion all nice and pretty, left it to someone else for the weekend, came back and it was trashed. That's probably how she felt lol.

Odette

14-06-2012, 03:31 AM

https://twitter.com/RebeccaNewton/status/213059416038191104

https://twitter.com/RebeccaNewton/status/213058179217620992

https://twitter.com/RebeccaNewton/status/213052455901069312

https://twitter.com/RebeccaNewton/status/213056704357740544

https://twitter.com/RebeccaNewton/status/213057700068724737

https://twitter.com/RebeccaNewton/status/213062326226653184

I think Rebecca was geniunely shocked. She's been doing community safety for decades now, and to look back at Habbo and see the moderation performing so poorly from when she left would be disturbing. Imagine you kept a beautiful mansion all nice and pretty, left it to someone else for the weekend, came back and it was trashed. That's probably how she felt lol.
Yeah I see your point. Although, I don't think she was genuinely that shocked at all tbh. There has been "brothels" on habbo since I can remember joining and she just acted like it was all new to her, which I found quite strange.

Richie

14-06-2012, 03:47 AM

Channel 4 are making this out as if all of these rooms are full of paedophiles. I don't believe that for a second.

Am I honestly the only one who went around the hotel at a young age trying to see some boobs? When I was 14 I would only go on the hotel to gain furni or to chat up older girls in hope to see their boobs (As I didn't know how to clear my history :(!) it never worked. What I am trying to say is, I think that's just how most boys are at that age. With that said, the rooms themselves are totally unnecessary and shouldn't have been allowed on the hotel to begin with and I disagree with habbo using 'flirting' as a marketing scheme.

Even if it is kids doing stuff like this, it's wrong and always has been but telling thousands of parents that the game is full of paedophiles isn't true. I agree with @Red (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=81989); they're making out that the only thing users do in game is talk about sex.

October

14-06-2012, 03:54 AM

Yeah I see your point. Although, I don't think she was genuinely that shocked at all tbh. There has been "brothels" on habbo since I can remember joining and she just acted like it was all new to her, which I found quite strange.I interpreted it as that she was shocked it took so long for a moderator to do something, and nothing happened.

@Richie it's about more than just sex, but sex sells more than violence so that's what they're pushing I guess. idk, but hopefully a change comes from it and the problems are addressed and sorted properly and efficiently for once.

Richie

14-06-2012, 04:00 AM

I interpreted it as that she was shocked it took so long for a moderator to do something, and nothing happened.

@Richie it's about more than just sex, but sex sells more than violence so that's what they're pushing I guess. idk, but hopefully a change comes from it and the problems are addressed and sorted properly and efficiently for once.

I totally agree that changes are needed and have been needed for a long time but I don't think a full on news report was necessary. Sulake should of been told they need to increase moderation before having their company name slandered. If these news reporters were really concerned they would of acted faster, they wouldn't have sat alongside 'paedophiles' for two months watching them chat up young girls / boys. Even after this dies down, habbo will still have the arrow in the knee. If my child asked me could they go on an online game, the first thing I would do would be google the company, if i did that now it'd be just news article after news article about paedophiles. I don't see how the company could recover, hopefully they do though.

SorryDude

14-06-2012, 04:08 AM

I think it's fair to say that the media aren't over reacting, I do believe what they are reporting is fact.

Now, I'm sure that everyone on here that still plays the game is thinking that the media are over reacting, and that you never see such behaviour in-game - and you probably don't. But you guys are what, 14-18? You're all smart enough to avoid these sorts of people and enjoy Habbo for what it's meant to be used for.

The fact is, none of you guys, including myself, are 10 or 11 years old. I know when I first joined Habbo, I was 11, and I was epically clueless and didn't comprehend the fact that *anyone* could talk to me. The fact is, these people do exist online and the fact is they can easily talk to young children online via Habbo instantly.

Being a Habbo player since I was 7. I did not take that into consideration. Hit it on the nail.