Habbo caught up in child sex scandal / Habbo Mute

[October]

I totally agree that changes are needed and have been needed for a long time but I don't think a full on news report was necessary. Sulake should of been told they need to increase moderation before having their company name slandered. If these news reporters were really concerned they would of acted faster, they wouldn't have sat alongside 'paedophiles' for two months watching them chat up young girls / boys. Even after this dies down, habbo will still have the arrow in the knee. If my child asked me could they go on an online game, the first thing I would do would be google the company, if i did that now it'd be just news article after news article about paedophiles. I don't see how the company could recover, hopefully they do though.
that's just It though... Iy shouldnt have taken a news team to Investigwte this and show what is wrong for Sulake to step up.
It shouldnt have but did. And sulake has been told about this stuff from their very own users that they claim to protect, but it is clear they have ignored them.

[Odette]

I totally agree that changes are needed and have been needed for a long time but I don't think a full on news report was necessary. Sulake should of been told they need to increase moderation before having their company name slandered. If these news reporters were really concerned they would of acted faster, they wouldn't have sat alongside 'paedophiles' for two months watching them chat up young girls / boys. Even after this dies down, habbo will still have the arrow in the knee. If my child asked me could they go on an online game, the first thing I would do would be google the company, if i did that now it'd be just news article after news article about paedophiles. I don't see how the company could recover, hopefully they do though.I agree with most of what you said. I just don't like how the report was conducted at all. Perhaps if they had made examples of a number of social networks/chat rooms, rather than just habbo I would have taken it seriously. Channel 4 was not professional, and for it me it came across as a personal attack on habbo rather than a report on the lack of internet moderation.

I mean were phrases like "Mecca for Paedophiles" and "Dangerous Game" really necessary? The issue should have been addressed in general as a whole, as from experience I can say that there are worse online teen communities than habbo that are flooded with "paedophiles". I think many chat rooms such as IMVU and Second Life will assume they've gotten off lightly due to habbo being targeted imo.

[Channel4]

As a user of Habbo for over 10 Years I have seen this website evolve into a monster. Now alot of you are young and dont notice marketing ploys and money generating schemes but as an adult it is quite obvious to me. I just wanted to hop on here and say Habbo has many more issues than users preying on children and the only reason this is an issue now is because it was in the media. It has been an issue in your website for the last 12 years but now that its in the media "oh no its time to do something!" Your moderation staff is a joke and your customer service is even worse.

What catches peoples eyes more than violence? Sexuality, and when you throw the whole "your child is at risk" thing into this it is destined to become a firestorm. Personally I hope Habbo loses out on alot of money because of this. They have been abusing their community for a long time and using them in a most disgusting way. The fact that adult users are completely ignored annoys me very much, we are the users that built your website and generated your funds and now you push us off to the side and try to take more and more of your users freedoms away and focus more and more on forcing users to spend money.

You have been doing your best for the last 7 years to eliminate "old coin" and "old furni" and this all started with the merge. Now you guys have kicked it into overdrive each month for the last two years easily. With your ecotron and your recycle plasto furni, pet food and pets in general, furni value, re-releasing rares in catalogue, and new marketplace, and marketplace in general, and oh guess what now everyone no more pixels! You cant be getting free stuff on Habbo no no no thats unforgivable! You must spend money! You must ask parents to waste their money on this! You must sell your personal information for "free coins" which in turn is sold to more and more people and this goes on forever by the way. All Habbo does is try to profit off of their community and this is how we are treated for our devotion.

Now with all that said.

Thanks for punishing me and everyone else because your negligence is in the limelight and hey I really appreciate you wasting my VIP Days, wooo Habbo your Customer Service is #1

Thread merged by Jordan (Forum Super Moderator): As same topic

[October]

I remember one of the ads saying broke up with boyfriend irl, found three on Habbo lol.

[Channel4]

Yeah look at Habbos innocent furni lmfao I remember taking the New Habbo Way quiz and they tried to cover their tracks and force you into thinking that their "Kissing Booth" furni is innocent and fun. Oh get real habbo your staff is just as perverse as the so-called pedos that lurk in the seedy underbelly of Habbo. Get Real you fake fools

[JerseySafety]

Best video. Totally agree with it all. Channel 4 should go get stuffed.

[Succubus]

Watched it, I think it was worded great!

[Jarkie]

Good video, rep+

[andoo89]

you made some good points about the biased reporting on c4

[andoo89]

the pet recycling seems like a good idea..

[SackRace]

Brilliant +REP

[Fifty-Six]

All Habbo does is try to profit off of their community and this is how we are treated for our devotion.

Not to mention "taxing" the exchange rate in the catalog.. it's all about the $$$ for Sulake.

[Fifty-Six]

I mean were phrases like "Mecca for Paedophiles" and "Dangerous Game" really necessary? The issue should have been addressed in general as a whole, as from experience I can say that there are worse online teen communities than habbo that are flooded with "paedophiles". I think many chat rooms such as IMVU and Second Life will assume they've gotten off lightly due to habbo being targeted imo.

I think such exaggerated and sensationalized statements on behalf of the Channel 4 investigative team can be attributed to the generation gap between our younger, more technologically savvy generation and that of those older. We can simply brush it aside, even laugh at it, but to a cautious, "safety, safety, safety", older generation it seems like the black plague.

[lTraditional]

Brilliant video, I am also seen protesting in that video in the welcome room! :) +REP

[Nick]

Amazing, i cant agree with you more!!

[qwertasdf]

As a user of Habbo for over 10 Years I have seen this website evolve into a monster. Now alot of you are young and dont notice marketing ploys and money generating schemes but as an adult it is quite obvious to me. I just wanted to hop on here and say Habbo has many more issues than users preying on children and the only reason this is an issue now is because it was in the media. It has been an issue in your website for the last 12 years but now that its in the media "oh no its time to do something!" Your moderation staff is a joke and your customer service is even worse.

What catches peoples eyes more than violence? Sexuality, and when you throw the whole "your child is at risk" thing into this it is destined to become a firestorm. Personally I hope Habbo loses out on alot of money because of this. They have been abusing their community for a long time and using them in a most disgusting way. The fact that adult users are completely ignored annoys me very much, we are the users that built your website and generated your funds and now you push us off to the side and try to take more and more of your users freedoms away and focus more and more on forcing users to spend money.

You have been doing your best for the last 7 years to eliminate "old coin" and "old furni" and this all started with the merge. Now you guys have kicked it into overdrive each month for the last two years easily. With your ecotron and your recycle plasto furni, pet food and pets in general, furni value, re-releasing rares in catalogue, and new marketplace, and marketplace in general, and oh guess what now everyone no more pixels! You cant be getting free stuff on Habbo no no no thats unforgivable! You must spend money! You must ask parents to waste their money on this! You must sell your personal information for "free coins" which in turn is sold to more and more people and this goes on forever by the way. All Habbo does is try to profit off of their community and this is how we are treated for our devotion.

Now with all that said.

Thanks for punishing me and everyone else because your negligence is in the limelight and hey I really appreciate you wasting my VIP Days, wooo Habbo your Customer Service is #1

Thread moved by Zuth (Forum Moderator): From Habbo News & Rumours, as its better suited here!

Wait a second, you mean a company is TRYING TO MAKE MONEY? OH MY ******* GOD? HOW DARE THEY DO THAT. WE SHOULD GET EVERYTHIGN FOR FREE AND SO NOTHING COSTS RIGHT. HOW DARE THEY WANT TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES AND HAVE A JOB, DISGUSTING.

[qwertasdf]

Exposing paedos isn't a good thing? are YOU joking? Despite the bad media, they probably won't shut down, and will have to sort out proper moderation.

They didnt expose a SINGLE pedo, they only showed evidence of 2 (out of 500 million habbo players) players, who were ALREADY CONVICTED, pedos which had 0 relevance to the story at hand. The article falsely connected teenage people discovering sexuality to internet pedofiles.

[Kardan]

In regards with Habbo coming up with new and inventive things, that's what they are meant to do. If Habbo was left exactly how it was in 2004 for example, they'd be no userbase by now. I also wonder, if you're an adult, surely the safety of children is better than a few days of VIP that they could refund in the future for all you know?

The fact that adults are largely ignored, are probably because Habbo is designed for teenagers. The mute is necessary.

[Plebings]

has this news article been posted yet?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18433471

[Mathew]

has this news article been posted yet?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18433471

I don't think so, thanks for posting! :D

[Plebings]

thought it was an ok article, not as scathing compared to the rest we've seen anyway.

[Frisky]

https://twitter.com/oliverjamesking

This guy is doing my nut!

He's only re-tweeting people who are trolling him because it makes his story look better.
Obviously doesn't know a great deal about Habbo and is just running with what he knows.

[MONEYMAGIC]

I'm not sure if this has been posted or said but whatever :P Not good :(

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/9330572/Habbo-Hotel-investor-pulls-out-over-pornographic-content-claims.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2158993/Top-stores-shun-predators-website-Retail-backlash-online-game-makes-children-easy-prey.html

[Andii]

um andy, why were you even in a dating/striping whatever room it was :P

lol i dont think that was me but i have the same look :O

[MKR&*42]

Got away with the Kissing Booths didn't you Sulake lol:



There are rows of ‘kissing booths’ which shake when they are used for sex and rooms full of beds where cartoon children lie down ready for other avatars to come and have cyber-sex with them.

[lawrawrrr]

WHICH CELEBS?

lily allen for definite (as posted above) but im not sure about others

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Got away with the Kissing Booths didn't you Sulake lol:






i don't know how that's possible, i think the kissing booth was the worst furni idea EVER...

[lawrawrrr]

They didnt expose a SINGLE pedo, they only showed evidence of 2 (out of 500 million habbo players) players, who were ALREADY CONVICTED, pedos which had 0 relevance to the story at hand. The article falsely connected teenage people discovering sexuality to internet pedofiles.

err you think paedos would even CHANCE going on habbo? Even normal teenagers would stay away of sex rooms after seeing that report I think. And Habbo have shut all the dating rooms.

[Zak]

"Moderation is generally delivered by a mix of clever people and clever software."

Well Sulake are ****** then.

[stratosphere2]

https://twitter.com/oliverjamesking

This guy is doing my nut!

He's only re-tweeting people who are trolling him because it makes his story look better.
Obviously doesn't know a great deal about Habbo and is just running with what he knows.

Apparently their reporter was harassed for sex within minutes of signing in. Hmm, indeed. Last night was the first I had signed in since 2008, back when this "predator" thing was still a problem, and I definitely remember being bombarded with perverts. Not. :rolleyes: What's also funny is the way he thinks all negative comments about the articls, aggressive or not, are just trolls. Can't handle some criticism? Call your critics trolls!

Wouldn't what they've done count as entrapment? I mean, adults posing as teenagers who are actively seeking requests for sex so they can put it on TV in a negative report. How do they know they aren't just dealing with horny teens? You go to a dating room, what else do you expect? (Play with fire, you're gonna get burned, etc. but in this case it's like they got burned and then told the doctors it was the fire's fault)

[qwertasdf]

Can you put that in proper English mate? I can't understand what you are saying.

[.DnB]

My ideas for habbo = compulsory filter for under 16s, better moderation, filter room names such as 'sexy singles' etc from under 16s screens, after a while of the new 'helpers' system, give the most trusted/best helpers extra powers such as the ability to mute people. When a new user signs up send them through a compulsory on-screen process telling them not to ask for or give away personal info and not to engage in inappropriate chat or else they will be banned. Focus on gaming and fun things more, snow storm and other games to have games for beginners only so it is easier and more fun for new players. Helpers and other players on habbo to also try and help the situation.

[Southe,]

Just reading some of the reports annoys me, have a sore face for the ammount of times i've palmed it.

Sulake - Is to blame for bad moderation. And the whole hotel mute is petty and shows they can't handle pressure.

Kids "Victims" - Are to blame for not following the habbo way and not having common sense (and if there under 13, following the rules). You can block, delete, kick and report if you dont do any of these then you shouldn't be playing for not having any sense.

Parents - They can point the finger and blame who ever they like but in the end its there responsability and the fault lies with them. Habbo has set rules if the parents allow there kids to break the rules by allowing there "children" sign up despite it being advertised for teenagers and the rules stating an age limit then they have to accept the blame.

Game/Tesco/WHS/Investers - Cowards. Mainly because there input could have helped Sulake a bit on there side of things meaning theres rules and the parents are the ones who allow these rules to be broken. And at the same time other online games and social media are worse or have the same problems so why isnt the press attacking them.

Channel 4 - Bias reporting, Knew there was a reason i never watched news on your channel.

I don't really care if habbo were to close im just fed up of this country being to politicaly correct, being soft, trying to pin blame on someone when something goes wrong and bad reporting.

End of the day, Its the parents fault. and if there over 13 then the persons fault for having no common sense.

[AgnesIO]

Game/Tesco/WHS/Investers - Cowards. Mainly because there input could have helped Sulake a bit on there side of things meaning theres rules and the parents are the ones who allow these rules to be broken. And at the same time other online games and social media are worse or have the same problems so why isnt the press attacking them.

Channel 4 - Bias reporting, Knew there was a reason i never watched news on your channel.


Firstly, an investor gives money on the hope to make a profit. The company is there to keep them happy, clearly they have failed.

Secondly, Tesco, Game etc do not want to be associated with paedophilia, so it is a sensible move to stop selling their cards - at least temporarily - as they don't want to be seen as supporters of paedophilia.

Thirdly, Channel 4 like every other media outlet is bias, as people want to read that. People love a bit of madness and shock stories, hence why everything in the daily fail uses masses of superlatives for attention.

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[DPS]

I honestly see Habbo going to close after all of this and then the investors pulling out.

[Southe,]

Firstly, an investor gives money on the hope to make a profit. The company is there to keep them happy, clearly they have failed.

Secondly, Tesco, Game etc do not want to be associated with paedophilia, so it is a sensible move to stop selling their cards - at least temporarily - as they don't want to be seen as supporters of paedophilia.

I understand that but still majority of the blame doesn't fall to habbo/sulake its the parents imo but by everyone pulling out its as if there siding with the press.

Thirdly, Channel 4 like every other media outlet is bias, as people want to read that. People love a bit of madness and shock stories, hence why everything in the daily fail uses masses of superlatives for attention.

True i remember Daily mail reporting on an anime/manga thing and when they said what it is they made it sound like people who watch anime are dirty perverted paedos =/

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Also have the point of if all this was happening why didn't they alert the police about it instead of making a story out of it. Thats right they only care about views.

[Okeanos]

lol at people saying habbo will close.... this is bad publicity but its still publicity, this will soon blow over and habbo will probably be more popular than ever

[qwertasdf]

Firstly, an investor gives money on the hope to make a profit. The company is there to keep them happy, clearly they have failed.

Secondly, Tesco, Game etc do not want to be associated with paedophilia, so it is a sensible move to stop selling their cards - at least temporarily - as they don't want to be seen as supporters of paedophilia.

Thirdly, Channel 4 like every other media outlet is bias, as people want to read that. People love a bit of madness and shock stories, hence why everything in the daily fail uses masses of superlatives for attention.

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There is still nothing that says Sulake won't overcome this and go back to making money. I don't know why these investors pulled out (c wat I did there), maybe they have some information we don't, but I don't see Habbo dying any time soon as with the social gaming boom keeps raging on.

[DPS]

lol at people saying habbo will close.... this is bad publicity but its still publicity, this will soon blow over and habbo will probably be more popular than ever

Shareholder with 13% walks away from Sulake...
Shareholder with the most .. at 16% walks away from Sulake....


If the European Commisson ruled for it to close.. it would be forced to close.

[qwertasdf]

The Commision was basically coerced by the reporter into saying that. I don' t think its realistic at all that they would close down a service, or that Sulake would even let it fall to that.

[e5]

I've been playing Habbo since 2004 and some Habbo's have joined before that and some around the same time, and obviously after that too. But my my experience on the game, you are just as vulnerable as you let yourself be.

If you're young, you can be easily manipulated into talking to strangers and them forcing feelings into you, which affects you in real life.

I feel in this day and age, theres enough educaton out there or just general knowledge of what people talk about that children think it is 'weird' to talk to those that flirt with you online in a more extreme way than kissing booths.

When I was younger, it was common sense not to give my phone number out, or email I used for Habbo, where I lived or any personal details about me. I suppose that was becase I was educated about it. I remember being told by a friend to always say P/P/P and we kind of made a joke out of it. (personal/personal/personal) as it often annoyed other users who asked, and we found this funny whilst at the same time keeping out details safe.

I don't think one program, which targeted Habbo for the bad side it has seen can bring it down. I didn't watch the program or news article or whatever it was, but I doubt they spoke about the positives in Habbo? Theres many positives and if you don't get involved in those who wish to obtain your personal information, we all know it's very fun. It depends where you go on Habbo really. You don't tend to find these 'paedophiles' in Arcades, or gaming rooms as they are too active for people to have big convosations. You usually find them in quieter rooms, or the welcome lounge as they will target new, young Habbo's.

I spend a lot of my time in the Welcome Lounge, as I'd like to help and report anyone who is asking for personal details because I think it's absolutely revolting that they could be some kind of paedophile. If the two people are genuine with each other, you keep it genuine but online - just to be safe.

A lot can be said on this subject, but it's too early for me. Maybe someone will have a reply to this and we can talk.

[Dj-Pied]

As we know the people who get involved in all this habbo-sex **** aren't proper habbo fans, they're just 11 year olds and stupid teenagers. They don't care if habbo closes, they'll just move onto another site to have their wicked way.

Sulake have picked up on that, by muting the hotel they're driving away all those who are vulnerable (who are probably making accounts on Club Penguin, IMVU or whatever as we speak) whilst keeping us true fans on more than ever.

This means when they un-mute the hotel they'll probably boast about how much safer they've made it with some sort of new moderation system, but what they've actually done is forced the e-sexters to other websites and they'll take the paedophiles with them.

Genius(yn)

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[OllzIsTasty]

I've been playing Habbo since 2004 and some Habbo's have joined before that and some around the same time, and obviously after that too. But my my experience on the game, you are just as vulnerable as you let yourself be.

If you're young, you can be easily manipulated into talking to strangers and them forcing feelings into you, which affects you in real life.

I feel in this day and age, theres enough educaton out there or just general knowledge of what people talk about that children think it is 'weird' to talk to those that flirt with you online in a more extreme way than kissing booths.

When I was younger, it was common sense not to give my phone number out, or email I used for Habbo, where I lived or any personal details about me. I suppose that was becase I was educated about it. I remember being told by a friend to always say P/P/P and we kind of made a joke out of it. (personal/personal/personal) as it often annoyed other users who asked, and we found this funny whilst at the same time keeping out details safe.

I don't think one program, which targeted Habbo for the bad side it has seen can bring it down. I didn't watch the program or news article or whatever it was, but I doubt they spoke about the positives in Habbo? Theres many positives and if you don't get involved in those who wish to obtain your personal information, we all know it's very fun. It depends where you go on Habbo really. You don't tend to find these 'paedophiles' in Arcades, or gaming rooms as they are too active for people to have big convosations. You usually find them in quieter rooms, or the welcome lounge as they will target new, young Habbo's.

I spend a lot of my time in the Welcome Lounge, as I'd like to help and report anyone who is asking for personal details because I think it's absolutely revolting that they could be some kind of paedophile. If the two people are genuine with each other, you keep it genuine but online - just to be safe.

A lot can be said on this subject, but it's too early for me. Maybe someone will have a reply to this and we can talk.

I have been playing Habbo since 2004 aswell and I agree with the statements you have said. The Habbo moderation team needs to change big time. The moderators were much better when we had actually had some English moderators / SG moderators who can actually speak fluent english. Since Becs left Habbo, the downfall started then with Sulake just caring about money. The merge; for example. Less hotels, less spending, more profit when the credit prices were raised.

The news report slated Habbo, basically saying that the whole of Habbo is full of paedophiles. Only a small range of the community has ruined our gaming experience.

I feel Habbo will not close.

[e5]

Thank You. I totally agree. I felt in a much more relaxed, and safe environment back when I first joined Habbo and was younger. I saw my self as quite computer-savvy as knew a bit about my safety though. Habbo won't shut. Maybe they should pinpoint where the majority of the paedophiles are originating from and give them their own hotel, or kick them out. I'm not saying it's all going to be one place, obviously but I just feel one country might be more that way inclined that others, as a majority.



I have been playing Habbo since 2004 aswell and I agree with the statements you have said. The Habbo moderation team needs to change big time. The moderators were much better when we had actually had some English moderators / SG moderators who can actually speak fluent english. Since Becs left Habbo, the downfall started then with Sulake just caring about money. The merge; for example. Less hotels, less spending, more profit when the credit prices were raised.

The news report slated Habbo, basically saying that the whole of Habbo is full of paedophiles. Only a small range of the community has ruined our gaming experience.

I feel Habbo will not close.

[lawrawrrr]

These codes have just been added! Looks like a redo of the rules for everyone to read!! Finally :P


Added:
+ widgets.chatinput.safetyquiz.prompt=Take the safety quiz to enable room chat

Added:
+ panic.button.caption=Emergency Exit


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[Plebings]

this needs to be implemented asap!

[Shorty]

Looks good, surprised they haven't removed the Kissing Booth yet as all the news channels keep highlighting that furniture.

[lawrawrrr]

Looks good, surprised they haven't removed the Kissing Booth yet as all the news channels keep highlighting that furniture.

yeah same, it's the worst idea of furni, remind me of the vibrating love bed in the sims which is just completely inappropriate...

[DPS]

Point of this thread? really dont see the point.

[Plebings]

interesting take on it, however i don't think this was the reason they muted us personally.

[Hannah]

I agree with the two above posters.

[lawrawrrr]

Definitely an interesting idea... but I really doubt a couple of days will drive away all of the sexters as you called them :)

[Hannah]

Ooohhhh a panic button. I must say I am excited for that just because of the name.
I also like the idea of the safety quiz to enable chat, yet there will still be members who will do the quiz and continue with their ways of being sexually explicit. As it has been mentioned before, Habbo's choice of advertisements and furniture within the hotel does not help this.

[Eric]

that's quite interesting. agreed with lawrawrr. i bet those pedophiles are gonna stay

[Samantha]

yeah same, it's the worst idea of furni, remind me of the vibrating love bed in the sims which is just completely inappropriate...
least Sims is usually rated 15 imo, ngl tho when i played Sims 2 I didn't know what Wooooo was

Ooohhhh a panic button. I must say I am excited for that just because of the name.
I also like the idea of the safety quiz to enable chat, yet there will still be members who will do the quiz and continue with their ways of being sexually explicit. As it has been mentioned before, Habbo's choice of advertisements and furniture within the hotel does not help this.


We already have it but it's disabled atm its ok but not amazing.

[Kasabian]

As we know the people who get involved in all this habbo-sex **** aren't proper habbo fans, they're just 11 year olds and stupid teenagers.

Some of them, yes. But there have been convicted paedophiles inside the hotel, so it's not 'as we know'.


They don't care if habbo closes, they'll just move onto another site to have their wicked way.
Sulake have picked up on that, by muting the hotel they're driving away all those who are vulnerable (who are probably making accounts on Club Penguin, IMVU or whatever as we speak) whilst keeping us true fans on more than ever.

In all honesty, I don't see the point in the mute. Again, I don't see what they're "investigating". Like I said, there have been convicted paedophiles in the hotel, so it's nothing knew. They should put it on a maintenance break, and sort out moderation systems.


This means when they un-mute the hotel they'll probably boast about how much safer they've made it with some sort of new moderation system, but what they've actually done is forced the e-sexters to other websites and they'll take the paedophiles with them.

They'll boast either way, that's obvious, but they will never truly weasel out everything. There will always be a small minority of people who will cyber/e-sext etc, and with that will always come the paedophilia element of it.

[Eric]

sounds nice. seriously who made that kissing booth it's completely inappropriate

[Kyle]

a good temp solution. implementation pl0x

[lawrawrrr]

least Sims is usually rated 15 imo, ngl tho when i played Sims 2 I didn't know what Wooooo was

Same. When my mum found out about it she said I couldn't have sims :( :(

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+ badge_desc_thx=<3

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+ badge_name_thx=<3

badges for the quiz?

[Kyle]

not sure when or if it has been posted yet but this was added to the hotel view:

http://i47.tinypic.com/21d1vls.png

[Ladiesman13]

Habbo is up a creak without a paddle right now, we all know that. It seems though that most of this will go
away if they tighten their security up a bit, right?
Well, why not bring back Hobbas? With a strict application process and age limit of course.

What are your thoughts? Agree? Then tweet @PaulLaFo

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[Shorty]

a good temp solution. implementation pl0x

Temporary fix? How exactly can you fully prevent this? In my mind, you can't fully solve this issue unless people aren't allowed to type their own messages. You can put lots into place to stop it after or as it's happening for example automated reports/human reports which already happen, but not prevent it from happening as there will always be a way around anything which is implemented.

As for furniture, Bling Beds, Orgy Furniture, Kissing Booth. As well as inappropriate advertisement which was based around dating on Habbo.

[lawrawrrr]

Hobbas were wiped out because of security issues, but I do think it's possible for Habbo to learn from the mistakes, and use volunteer Habbos to sort out serious requests from fake/joke so moderators don't have to sift through them all.

[Lee]

Bringing Hobbas back would be a fantastic idea. ;)

I agree! :D

[Bob1]

I totally agree that changes are needed and have been needed for a long time but I don't think a full on news report was necessary. Sulake should of been told they need to increase moderation before having their company name slandered. If these news reporters were really concerned they would of acted faster, they wouldn't have sat alongside 'paedophiles' for two months watching them chat up young girls / boys. Even after this dies down, habbo will still have the arrow in the knee. If my child asked me could they go on an online game, the first thing I would do would be google the company, if i did that now it'd be just news article after news article about paedophiles. I don't see how the company could recover, hopefully they do though.

The news report states Habbo were aware of the report, they were given the findings on Friday before the news report on Monday, their lack of response is why the first investor pulled out before the report. Channel 4 aside, two paedophiles were found to be using Habbo to find young victims nearly two months ago, one I think was in contact with 80 young girls? This should have triggered a response from Habbo, ignoring any moral issues, any good business does not leave a serious issue that contradicts the fundamentals of said business unchecked. They should of done something then, no matter how cosmetic or how much of a PR stunt. They kind of asked for this... I really hope they manage to recover too but like you I struggle to see how they will, it’s a tainted product, and the fact 3i pulled their investment last night after a day of board meetings suggests they don’t think so either or that they weren’t happy with the level of renovations that are going to be made to moderation. You can tell from how Channel 4 reported yesterday they smell blood, another report tonight on cyber bullyng will no doubt feature Habbo again, such a shame!

[Ladiesman13]

I agree.
But, nearly every other game on the Internet has player moderators and they are doing just fine. Why can't Habbo?

[Shorty]

Bringing Hobbas back would be a fantastic idea. ;)

This is basically where the Habbo Helpers/Guides program is going. They had planned to have powers like mute/kick however of course this isn't going to be overnight.

[Plebings]

habbo needed to act fast in order to stop more negative press, if the mute didn't occur then the media would take note of this saying habbo is doing absolutely nothing in order to prevent what they've been saying, i'm sure sulake would rather gain bad press for muting us than to let us continue our habbo sex scandals with the whole media watching us over the recent days.

internet trolls and the like would infest habbo going against the habbo way in an attempt to gain sulake even more bad press, hoping to shut it down. imagine if 4chan attempted the pool has aids thing again, except instead they hive in dating rooms and just have cybersex with each other, the media would lap this up.

[Eric]

not sure where to post this but did anyone get this badge?

http://mattgarner.net/upload/images/2012/06/14/61PIm.png

[GoldenMerc]

not sure where to post this but did anyone get this badge?

http://mattgarner.net/upload/images/2012/06/14/61PIm.png

Wonder how you get that then :P

[Jordy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsp22NZN0RY&amp;feature=plcp <<< Correct
Just awful, clueless and almost embarrassing. Not a bad attempt of coming across as a know-it-all but in reality she's a know-nothing.

The blind loyalty surrounding Habbo is pathetic (although not surprising on a Habbo fansite I suppose...). Many people on here can't seem to see Sulake doing anything wrong, they don't realise how Sulake in the past few years has changed to poorer moderations, dropping the filter and encouraging "dating". The fact people are now blaming the victims is sickening and whilst ideally parents should watch over their children, this cannot and does not happen in reality, but could they trust their children on Habbo unsupervised at all? I think we can say now, no they cannot. I remember in 2006 I was permanently banned for giving out my Skype to a few friends, would this ever happen today? I think not, and annoying as I found it back then, it was the right measure.

Investigative journalism is biased why does no one understand that? Channel 4 also has no reason to remain unbiased, news outlets (excluding the BBC) can take whatever viewpoint they wish and there is nothing wrong with that. Why on earth Channel 4 would make a report carrying on about all the positives of Habbo I don't know, no one would care, investigative journalism has brought this very real issue to light and has been incredibly successful at doing so, that is a good thing. Never once have they explicitly said that everyone on Habbo is a paedofile or that there is no positives about the site.

[JustinNewcastle]

I didn't get it either.

Any word on when the quiz for unmute will go in? Where did you see the update log at?

[Camcorder]

I'd want to apply for a program like this. There really isn't a way to solve the problem, but increased moderation by more Habbos with good judgment may help it.

[Kyle]

Temporary fix? How exactly can you fully prevent this? In my mind, you can't fully solve this issue unless people aren't allowed to type their own messages. You can put lots into place to stop it after or as it's happening for example automated reports/human reports which already happen, but not prevent it from happening as there will always be a way around anything which is implemented.

As for furniture, Bling Beds, Orgy Furniture, Kissing Booth. As well as inappropriate advertisement which was based around dating on Habbo.
Well asking people to participate in a 'safety' quiz is hardly going to educate the masses on the dangers of online predators and most will likely go to help groups like TIPS or ANSWERS for quick solutions to questions that they don't know off the bat rather than actually reading further into it.

More English-speaking moderators, more emphasis on the report tool and how/when to use it and removal of some of the more sexual furniture to steer it away from the smutty label it has been branded with by the media would be a far better permanent solution. Good that they've finally sorted out this mute malarky though, perhaps some of the morons trolling channel 4 reporters/producers/editors will come off twitter.

[Jurv]

woooo! i can't wait to see the changes they've made. hopefully it'll prevent any other problems for a while.

[Plebings]

Wonder how you get that then :P

duno if you're being sarcastic - but for anyone wondering just go to the welcome lounge, you can even get it through the spectator's view

[Kyle]

that badge looks like paul made it himself

[Laurensh1]

Finally!

[Smurfed-]

duno if you're being sarcastic - but for anyone wondering just go to the welcome lounge, you can even get it through the spectator's view

Woo thank you :P

[Eric]

Wonder how you get that then :P

i just got it when i entered the welcome lounge

[Red]

Aww you got me all excited. Thought I was going to log on habbo and mute was gonna be over =[ Anyway its a good start but it isn't going to prevent horny teenagers from wanting to set up kissing booths and sharing their details. They just need to be alert now and be quick paced in closing those rooms. Maybe a new education campaign as well.

[Kyle]

Nope I don't agree with normal users being able to fully moderate but I do think it'd be a great idea to have local mods.

[Flumples]

Just awful, clueless and almost embarrassing. Not a bad attempt of coming across as a know-it-all but in reality she's a know-nothing.

The blind loyalty surrounding Habbo is pathetic (although not surprising on a Habbo fansite I suppose...). Many people on here can't seem to see Sulake doing anything wrong, they don't realise how Sulake in the past few years has changed to poorer moderations, dropping the filter and encouraging "dating". The fact people are now blaming the victims is sickening and whilst ideally parents should watch over their children, this cannot and does not happen in reality, but could they trust their children on Habbo unsupervised at all? I think we can say now, no they cannot. I remember in 2006 I was permanently banned for giving out my Skype to a few friends, would this ever happen today? I think not, and annoying as I found it back then, it was the right measure.

Investigative journalism is biased why does no one understand that? Channel 4 also has no reason to remain unbiased, news outlets (excluding the BBC) can take whatever viewpoint they wish and there is nothing wrong with that. Why on earth Channel 4 would make a report carrying on about all the positives of Habbo I don't know, no one would care, investigative journalism has brought this very real issue to light and has been incredibly successful at doing so, that is a good thing. Never once have they explicitly said that everyone on Habbo is a paedofile or that there is no positives about the site.
Took the words right out of my mouth!

[qwertasdf]

Well asking people to participate in a 'safety' quiz is hardly going to educate the masses on the dangers of online predators and most will likely go to help groups like TIPS or ANSWERS for quick solutions to questions that they don't know off the bat rather than actually reading further into it.

More English-speaking moderators, more emphasis on the report tool and how/when to use it and removal of some of the more sexual furniture to steer it away from the smutty label it has been branded with by the media would be a far better permanent solution. Good that they've finally sorted out this mute malarky though, perhaps some of the morons trolling channel 4 reporters/producers/editors will come off twitter.

You do know how many moderators they would need to monitor every single bit of chat? It would bankrupt the company in a second, there's a reason they don't have it now.

[9y]

Alright guys,

I don't usually come on here anymore but I've just about given up with the crap that channel 4 have gone through. Please watch this video.

*CONTAINS SWEARING*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5deSxAQtQE

Please remember to warn users of swearing in videos

Threads merged by Martin (Forum Super Moderator): Since views towards this news can be posted in this thread.

[Ladiesman13]

That's a horrible idea on their part. Habbo Helpers are for guiding new Habbos and that's where it should stay.
Also, they need a plan overnight.

[Samantha]

Didn't get the badge via spectator view? So I'm queuing atm, not long though surprisingly.

[Plebings]

Didn't get the badge via spectator view? So I'm queuing atm, not long though surprisingly.

worked for me scamanfa! probably due to wired limitations, someone must have entered/watched the room at the same time as you.

[Bob1]

Jordy completely agree with everything you said! This all stems from the fact they don't want to eat into their profit and have consistently cut back on moderation. Using the same old tools with a much smaller team was never going to work, they either need to invest in better technology or invest in more man power. They need to readdress the relaxed approach they've taken, it's always had issues but nothing compared to what you see today with regards to the amount of inappropriate rooms, content and chat.

RE: Hobbas, I don't think this will work. This system was very flawed even when I was part of it and I don't see that now is the time for them to reintroduce an unstable element to an already rocky moderation model. They need to get the basics right first, the core paid staff and technology needs to be in place before they open themselves up to further issues.
I agree that Hobbas gave something for people to strive towards, the high presence of players with some sort of authority would give more of a secure feel to the site but what they are suggesting sounds unsuitable, I trained pretty much every team of Hobbas on the UK site from 2004 until they stopped, on .CA since it opened until 2008, and there were a lot of documents and procedures in place to keep people in line - I don't see this happening these days, the paid staff aren't even well trained enough. On top of this they would just become a point for abuse for the 100's of kids who are used to being able to do pretty much whatever they want inside the hotel, lumbering volunteering teens with this task to me seems like a cop-out on Habbos part.
Some sort of official guide would be fine but as we saw with Habbo X's I don't think it really worked.

[GoldenMerc]

I got it from spectator Scum

[Samantha]

Oh got it now in the room, silly glitches I suppose.

Fast Food time though as I thought I was unmuted.

[GoldenMerc]

Think may get unmuted tonight, hopefully all the guide's who are at the top of their game will progress today? As im sure its a day late as it is anyways.

[Laurensh1]

not sure where to post this but did anyone get this badge?

http://mattgarner.net/upload/images/2012/06/14/61PIm.pngYou get it for going to the Welcome Lounge

[scottish]

http://blog.habbo.com/

[GoldenMerc]

http://blog.habbo.com/

Just wasting more time...

[GoldenMerc]

Don't personally think it helps at all, It brings up some points but in terms of being valid and helping the situation not at all

[Red]

That's a horrible idea on their part. Habbo Helpers are for guiding new Habbos and that's where it should stay.
Also, they need a plan overnight.

Hobbas/xs should definitely not come back. They were a security risk and the programmes embodied elitism and favouritism. Not that I am a fan of CM programme either but when it is introduced, I think it's going to just be the upper levels that have the ability to mute/kick.

[GoldenMerc]

Hobbas/xs should definitely not come back. They were a security risk and the programmes embodied elitism and favouritism. Not that I am a fan of CM programme either but when it is introduced, I think it's going to just be the upper levels that have the ability to mute/kick.

Habbo X's were all about having a little bit of e-fame, most of them were completely useless and didn't even know how to secure their own account not even about protecting other habbo's but i guess the helper program actually tests you, yeh its not brilliant testing but its better than the X program in that sense.

[Xedia]

Think may get unmuted tonight, hopefully all the guide's who are at the top of their game will progress today? As im sure its a day late as it is anyways.

Don't get my hopes up :(

[GoldenMerc]

Don't get my hopes up :(

Can't seeing it being mute longer really, Yeh they may be trying to sort all the rules and crap out but seriously they lost an investment, what else do they want to lose..

[Muteisjustnoton]

Habbo clearly states when creating an account the age limit for those who can join. Why is habbo so different to any other online site such as facebook, twitter etc!? Of course your never going to really know who you are talking to online but that's a risk anyone takes when on social networking sites! Habbo is used for many other things rather than ''sexual scening''! I have been on Habbo for a number of years now and i have rarely had a 'sexual' encounter with a paedophile. If you don't go looking for them then the chances are they won't be getting involved with you! There are many trustful moderators on habbo that make sure people are not saying sexually explicit things. AH! this makes me so angry. I am a dedicated roleplayer on habbo! The number of paedophiles on habbo is a minority group! In some way it could prepare you for real life, because isnt the real world full of paedophiles and immoral people? You can't just mute everyone in real life and keep them safe. It IS a risk everyone faces in every day life, facebook, twitter, and even habbo! By muting one site and considering getting rid of it is just stupid. It's not going to help anyone. Infact it's going to make over four thousand people very angry. Not all of us can be treated has children under the scrutiny of paedophiles. Habbo is a place where you can feel like part of something! Make loads of new friends and have a fun time. Many people are bullied in real life, so by going on habbo, we are given a chance to express ourselves and forget those bullies! I am going to post this over and over again until people start to realise that muting habbo is a mistake..

[Oasis]

It was only a matter of time before they were in the news tbh.
Sulake are useless.

[Bob1]

http://blog.habbo.com/
Anyone else having slightly cynical thoughts that they’re waiting for this to die down so that the spotlight is not still on them when they announce mediocre measures that will cost them very little?? I think the mute will continue for a while longer.

[scottish]

Currently, I am unable to confirm a timescale for reopening the conversation function on the site. What I can say is that my employees and the senior management are working closely to ensure that best-in-class moderation and detection systems are in place to create a safer and improved experience for our many responsible users.

GoldenMerc;

[GoldenMerc]

@GoldenMerc (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=26925);
mr scutt, doesn't mean it won't un-mute today!

[Oasis]

Anyone else having slightly cynical thoughts that they’re waiting for this to die down so that the spotlight is not still on them when they announce mediocre measures that will cost them very little?? I think the mute will continue for a while longer.

Defiantly. I am sure there's money in their budget to hire some moderators that can be CRB checked and are able to provide actual support for users.

[scottish]

Most likely won't happen though ;P

[Oasis]

Yet again putting their profits above the safety of their users.

[qwertasdf]

Defiantly. I am sure there's money in their budget to hire some moderators that can be CRB checked and are able to provide actual support for users.
Im SURE you have better qualifications to handle their budget then they guy doing it now, right? I mean, all companies should start taking advice from random people on the internet, and everything would be fine!

[Oasis]

Im SURE you have better qualifications to handle their budget then they guy doing it now, right? I mean, all companies should start taking advice from random people on the internet, and everything would be fine!

Well, hiring people in the UK on minimum wage with a CRB to work full time would cost a hell of a lot less that what it's cost them in lost revenue from having to mute the hotels globally. It's their own fault.

[GommeInc]

Just wasting more time...
And not really answering anything. I got bored in the first paragraph "First – on behalf of myself and all my staff in Sulake – I would like to thank the many thousands of users who have remained loyal to the site over the last few days." That's the least of their concerns, get answering questions and sorting yourselves out - and sack Paul LaFontaine, he's am imbesile!

Also, people are still not getting the point.

1. Why is Facebook not getting any bad press?
a) It's had its time and actually has security settings in place. Not forgetting that Facebook covers a mixture of different age ranges, from Teens to Dead.
b) It's a completely different type of service and site to Habbo. Comparing the two is incredibly daft.

2. This article is so bias. I hate Channel 4
Good for you, you've realised what the media does and what shock reports are about. They highlight an issue in the hopes a service will rectify the problems and do what they are meant to do and protect their users.

3. Why should I be denied access because of a select few too stupid to use the service?
a) You're clearly naive and do not know what sort of service Habbo is offering. Yes, the majority of users are innocent, but Habbo is a site for under aged users who shouldn't be accessible to smut. This includes, but is not limited to:

- Features which actively promotes sexual content e.g. Kissing booths, sexy clothing.
- Discussions of an adult nature and being allowed to discuss these things openly with anyone.

b) Look up corporate duty of care. By law, a company must provide a duty of care for all of its customers. It's not a health and safety gone mad principle - it's an ancient, unsophisticated and easy to understand piece of legal literature. When you go to a restaurant, you expect the food to be properly cooked. If it's uncooked, do you simply say to yourself "Oh, I should of been more careful?" No. So why should Habbo users be constantly saying to themselves "Oh, I should be more careful?" Yes, common sense is there for many users who are aware of the dangers of paedophilia and exposure to cyber-sex between two consenting but under aged users, but the duty of care protects users where they cannot protect themselves. It's a secondary measure when the primary measure - common sense - fails.

I would write more but like Google, it will only be ignored by people clueless as to the situation.

[qwertasdf]

Well, hiring people in the UK on minimum wage with a CRB to work full time would cost a hell of a lot less that what it's cost them in lost revenue from having to mute the hotels globally. It's their own fault.

Oh great, someone under 22 giving financial advice, what coudl go wrong? Yep you are right, you know the EXACT cost of the mute and the EXACT cost of hiring moderators. Come on, face reality, you are just butt mad at habbo for something else entirely, and use this scandal to vent your frustration. Stay buttmad kiddo :)

[Zak]

Oh great, someone under 22 giving financial advice, what coudl go wrong? Yep you are right, you know the EXACT cost of the mute and the EXACT cost of hiring moderators. Come on, face reality, you are just butt mad at habbo for something else entirely, and use this scandal to vent your frustration. Stay buttmad kiddo :)

He's talking about moderators... there is no financial advice given...

Hiring UK moderators is one of the best things to do (or US) because then they might actually know what the **** they're doing. It's the same at my uni, we have foreign lecturers, they know loads about their subject area but have no idea about common everyday things, they're ******* stupid!

[qwertasdf]

He's talking about moderators... there is no financial advice given...

Hiring UK moderators is one of the best things to do (or US) because then they might actually know what the **** they're doing. It's the same at my uni, we have foreign lecturers, they know loads about their subject area but have no idea about common everyday things, they're ******* stupid!

So you think those moderators work for free lol? You think if they were volunteers they wouldn't be a MAJOR security risk like habbos a few years ago? Think about it again. Sulake has been runnning habbo for nearly 10 years, I THINK they know what to do better than some kid who plays runescape.

[Oasis]

Oh great, someone under 22 giving financial advice, what coudl go wrong? Yep you are right, you know the EXACT cost of the mute and the EXACT cost of hiring moderators. Come on, face reality, you are just butt mad at habbo for something else entirely, and use this scandal to vent your frustration. Stay buttmad kiddo :)

I no if they had pulled their fingers out and hired moderators who actually no what the hell they should be doing they might not be in this mess.
It'd work out at what £12k? a year to hire someone over 21 in the UK on minimum wage. I'm sure Sulake make enough profit to relocate their moderators back to the UK.

[GoldenMerc]

So you think those moderators work for free lol? You think if they were volunteers they wouldn't be a MAJOR security risk like habbos a few years ago? Think about it again. Sulake has been runnning habbo for nearly 10 years, I THINK they know what to do better than some kid who plays runescape.
Over 10 years...
Never the less volunteers would be brilliant if they actually picked Habbo's who wern't a risk to themself i mean i've used Habbo for 10 and a half years or so and i've never been hacked, yes scammed but hacked no?
Yet they pick Habbo's who some got hacked more than once while being a X.
Just think better choices really.

[Dj-Pied]

TESTIFY

[qwertasdf]

Over 10 years...
Never the less volunteers would be brilliant if they actually picked Habbo's who wern't a risk to themself i mean i've used Habbo for 10 and a half years or so and i've never been hacked, yes scammed but hacked no?
Yet they pick Habbo's who some got hacked more than once while being a X.
Just think better choices really.

There is ALWAYS a risk with volunteers, ALWAYS. I don't think sulake wants take more risks, especially after THIS.

[Oasis]

Volunteers would be given CRB's which for a volunteer is free. All they'd need to do is provide training.

[Zak]

What the hell are you talking about?


"someone under 22 giving financial advice" implies that someone under 22 will be giving financial advice to players? Which they won't? They'll just work for the cash and deal with the reports players send in. Of course Sulake can run Habbo better than me, duhh.. I'm probably as qualified if not more than some of their staff already anyway !!!

[FlyingJesus]

FFS I LITERALLY JUST SPENT ALL MY PIXELS LIKE 32K ON RUBBISH AND NOW THEY'VE BROUGHT BACK BUTTERFLY WINGS AND STUFF

[GommeInc]

Habbo clearly states when creating an account the age limit for those who can join. Why is habbo so different to any other online site such as facebook, twitter etc!?
They're completely different services. Habbo primarily functions as a MMORPG, and adds social networking tools as a secondary service. Facebook and Twitter are strictly social networking sites. Because Habbo is a MMORPG, they have limited safety and security features for joining the service which is natural for MMORPGs because the whole point is to openly discuss and interact with other players. This is why Habbo is in trouble because their service is focused on teens, incl. sexually under aged users. They have to put extra effort into real time moderation, because there is no filtering of users at sign up and no security settings to filter who can talk to you and who can't. Again, they cannot add these features as it will completely change the service and put people off, and there's the risk of people lying (like people signing up who are 11 when the minimum age is 13).


If you don't go looking for them then the chances are they won't be getting involved with you!
What if they come looking for you? It's not difficult to build up trust over time or let your guard down. It's natural.


There are many trustful moderators on habbo that make sure people are not saying sexually explicit things.
Clearly not, otherwise they wouldn't of got so much information in the report and be under fire by so many users who have also noticed sexually explicit content.


AH! this makes me so angry. I am a dedicated roleplayer on habbo! The number of paedophiles on habbo is a minority group! In some way it could prepare you for real life, because isnt the real world full of paedophiles and immoral people?
That misses the point. Habbo is advertised as a safe community, so instinctively you assume it won't be filled with paedophiles or mature discussions. Although it is a minority, Habbo hasn't got the tools currently to stop these discussions and these sorts of users from accessing the service. It's why Habbo has muted it, because they are clueless as to what to do :P My opinion is that they should just shut off the client and display a message saying it's undergoing maintenance because of this, that and the other - but that's just an opinion.


You can't just mute everyone in real life and keep them safe. It IS a risk everyone faces in every day life, facebook, twitter, and even habbo!
You're usually not alone in the street, so it's difficult to find privacy to have these sorts of conversations. Also, Facebook and Twitter have features in place to hide your identity and only allow you to add who you want. The risk will always be there, but Habbo should be seriously reducing the risk.


By muting one site and considering getting rid of it is just stupid. It's not going to help anyone. Infact it's going to make over four thousand people very angry. Not all of us can be treated has children under the scrutiny of paedophiles. Habbo is a place where you can feel like part of something! Make loads of new friends and have a fun time. Many people are bullied in real life, so by going on habbo, we are given a chance to express ourselves and forget those bullies! I am going to post this over and over again until people start to realise that muting habbo is a mistake..
Unfortunately, Habbo have completely messed up. The mute isn't Channel 4's fault, and you shouldn't blame them as it was Habbo who made the decision to mute everyone, which is a wise choice as like I said, they do not have the features or the man power to immediately focus on analysing the conversations and keep the hotel running as normal. It would be unwise for them to even attempt it, as they clearly do not have the tools at hand.

And you can try posting it over again, but it's the wrong stance to take :P The issue needs sorting once and for all, which is why the EC is involved. It's been a long time coming.

[Eric]

^^

ikr , I've spent 50k of my pixels on those pixels stuffs ffs

[GommeInc]

You do know how many moderators they would need to monitor every single bit of chat? It would bankrupt the company in a second, there's a reason they don't have it now.
There are some incredibly clever tools out there that can analyse the lines of chat for moderators, and pick out the serious ones from the usual conversations. Habbo must not be using one or only have ones that pick up people saying "5 credits, sex time?"

[Jordy]

Habbo clearly states when creating an account the age limit for those who can join. Why is habbo so different to any other online site such as facebook, twitter etc!?Both Facebook and Twitter have many measures in place to prevent paedofiles and aren't specifically aimed at teenagers so there is less need for them to be as strict as a teenage chatroom. They also don't feature "live chats" with strangers unlike Habbo. You don't get the likes of "strip clubs" for people aged 13 on Facebook. That's not to say Facebook, Twitter etc are perfect as they are not as there is always a chance of paedofiles but Habbo's efforts in stopping them are no longer acceptable or effective as highlighted in this report.

Of course your never going to really know who you are talking to online but that's a risk anyone takes when on social networking sites!That is true but does that make "strip clubs", people imiting touching each other and access for MSNs and Skypes to "further" acceptable? I think not.


Habbo is used for many other things rather than ''sexual scening''!No one has ever said that it was only a sexual scene, it's been acknowledged a lot more going on in the site.


I have been on Habbo for a number of years now and i have rarely had a 'sexual' encounter with a paedophile."Rarely" implies you have had a sexual encounter with a paedofile which is hardly acceptable but anyway, just because you haven't experienced much of the "sexual scenes" in Habbo doesn't mean they don't go on.


If you don't go looking for them then the chances are they won't be getting involved with you!Unfortunately everyone on Habbo isn't as educated or sensible as your good self. There are vulnerable 13 year-olds who perhaps aren't aware of the dangers and those who are new to Habbo are likely to experiment and be unaware of what sort of rooms are best avoiding. Your sort of rhetoric implies it's the victims fault for searching it out in the first place, I hardly imagine these victims of crimes at the mercy of paedofiles wanted it to occur. Habbo should have safeguards in place to protect these vulnerable users, and quite frankly they're no longer up to standards.


There are many trustful moderators on habbo that make sure people are not saying sexually explicit things.Very little is known about the current moderators on Habbo as they're outsourced and have little presence in the hotel, how you know they're "trustful" or not I've no idea, I can't even safely say that they're checked as rigorously now they're in foreign countries. As for your comment about people saying sexually explicit things, I think it's fair to say they have epically failed in this respect as the report shows it going on and it was hardly difficult to see for yourself on Habbo.


The number of paedophiles on habbo is a minority group!How do you know this? You don't know who's behind everyone's character as you've previously said... Anyway it's not acceptable there is paedofiles on Habbo, whilst it is very difficult to eliminate them entirely there should at least be a sustained effort to attempt to.


In some way it could prepare you for real life, because isnt the real world full of paedophiles and immoral people? You can't just mute everyone in real life and keep them safe.That's alright then! Let's have paedofiles there so it's a "game" of dodging them like in real life! Maybe all your furni should vanish every few years on Habbo too so it simulates getting mugged or burgled? And occasionally your Habbo could get beaten up in the Welcome Lounge and walk round with a black eye to represent being beaten up in the street! (Heavy sarcasm)

Of course not, this is blind loyalty gone mad on your behalf. The world is full of immoral people but Habbo is not a simulation of real life to prepare you for later life, the comparisons are preposterous. Parents should be able to trust their children on Habbo without them encountering paedofiles, "strip clubs", touched up and hassled for MSNs and Skypes. Vulnerable children should be protected by filters, encouraged to behaviour better and there should be an active and quality moderation team moderating chats and responding harshly to those breaking the rules.


It IS a risk everyone faces in every day life, facebook, twitter, and even habbo! By muting one site and considering getting rid of it is just stupid. It's not going to help anyone.The idea of the "mute" is first of all to protect Sulake from further bad publicity (other news outlets could find evidence of it themselves) but most importantly to "pause" gameplay until a solution to the problems is found. I've actually come round to the idea that the mute is a good thing, it's better than closing the hotel as then people would have nothing to do at all. The mute isn't there to protect users atm, whilst it inadvertently does it's just a small temporary measure, it certainly is helping things.


Infact it's going to make over four thousand people very angry.I can see that but it's actually there to benefit users in the long term hopefully as when the mute is lifted you'll return to a much safer hotel so vulnerable Habbos aren't at risk to paedofiles. It's not ideal but it's only going to be a few days. Plus the anger of the four thousand users doesn't really represent anything as because of the blind loyalty they'll still keep playing the game and spending their money on it anyway.


Habbo is a place where you can feel like part of something! Make loads of new friends and have a fun time. Many people are bullied in real life, so by going on habbo, we are given a chance to express ourselves and forget those bullies!I agree that's the brilliant thing about Habbo, it's a brilliantly creative place and somewhere everyone on this forum has many happy memories of at some point I'm sure. Measures do however need to be put in place to prevent there being "paedofiles" actively playing the game instead, which let's face it are just as bad and often worse than the bullies in real life.


I am going to post this over and over again until people start to realise that muting habbo is a mistake..And I will continue to counter your posts due to their ridiculous comments and blind loyalty.

[Succubus]

Finally something that enlightens the lift of the mute, wooop!

---------- Post added 14-06-2012 at 02:36 PM ----------


not sure where to post this but did anyone get this badge?

http://mattgarner.net/upload/images/2012/06/14/61PIm.png

Just entered the welcome lounge and got that.

[Zak]

love the video completely agree with what you're saying

[Ladiesman13]

In other news.......

We get a sweet badge!

[Aaron]

It's nice of you to make a video, agree with what your saying. Least you're being out-straight about the whole thing.

[GommeInc]

Misses the point. The rooms "sexy teenagers" shouldn't exist int he first place. They went into those rooms because they existed. Yes, you can avoid them, but loads of people use them. As nice as you are trying to stick up for Habbo, you've not quite grasped why the Report is so scatching.

The 11 year old argument is boring, old and highly irrelevant. Again, it's not the point of lying - 13 year olds shouldn't be joining in and viewing sexually explicit material. Those who are over the age of 13, say a 14 year old, shouldn't even be seeing the material, such as the rooms called "sexy teenagers" :P People are forgetting the age of consent and sexual content are 16 and 15 respectively. Loads of people are acting as though 13 is fine for all this sexual content when it incredibly stupid it was ever allowed in the first place.

The report doesn't state that all users are looking for these rooms and all users are sexually driven. It's stating they exist.

The report doesn't state whether or not she removed filter. As a player of 11 years, you of all people should know how easy it is to avoid saying "webcam" and "MSN". She is probably using the entire word, when the user may of stated we.b.c.a.m and messenger or used another word to mean the same thing, like cam. It was strange she said this. If she did remove the filter, this again goes against the Habbo Way that these conversations are acceptable and that an 11 year old can do this.

And finally, it's muted because they want to get it sorted once and for all. It's muted for safety reasons, not to attack innocent Habbos as everyone seems to be suggesting. Furthermore, Channel 4 did not initiate the mute... You're acting as if they did it personally, or asked Habbo to do it - when they seemed intrigued such a feature existed!

[Xedia]

In other news.......

We get a sweet badge!

It better look good :D

[MissAlice]

They need fully trained CRB checked staff, and as nice as it sounds, having volunteers won’t do enough, and staff need to be accountable for their actions. They need to employ staff in the countries where the majority of players are registered.

[Bob1]

There are some incredibly clever tools out there that can analyse the lines of chat for moderators, and pick out the serious ones from the usual conversations. Habbo must not be using one or only have ones that pick up people saying "5 credits, sex time?"

We used to use a lot of this, no idea what they do now, we used to have dedicated teams for monitoring flagged Habbos and automatically flagged chat, also a tool that was very big brother-esq and could allow us to spectate. It doesn't cost that much, we used to do it a lot better, never had problems of this scale RE: convicted paedophiles.
Wouldn't expect the mute to end tonight, 7pm Channel 4 news has another report tonight on cyber bullying and trolls, Habbo will feature. So many kids threatening reporters not realising they just add fuel to the fire.

[Lewis]

Misses the point. The rooms "sexy teenagers" shouldn't exist int he first place. They went into those rooms because they existed. Yes, you can avoid them, but loads of people use them. As nice as you are trying to stick up for Habbo, you've not quite grasped why the Report is so scatching.

the fact is, in the past few years I have reported old scripted rooms and these type of rooms. Whenever I did, they got removed instantly. I guarantee if someone actually tried to report one of these rooms at the time, they would've got deleted.

[Seikou]

they just need more active mods really

[Bob1]

So you think those moderators work for free lol? You think if they were volunteers they wouldn't be a MAJOR security risk like habbos a few years ago? Think about it again. Sulake has been runnning habbo for nearly 10 years, I THINK they know what to do better than some kid who plays runescape.

In my opinion Habbo may have been running for 10 years but pretty sure the entirely new managment team that was put into place in September and new CEO has something to do with the current state of affairs so maybe not as qualified as you would assume.
Your point RE: volunteers is very valid though, not the right time for them to even consider that but maybe hiring professionals rather than call centre workers would be a good start.

[Samantha]

Some facts I agree with but I was sure you could say MSN and not get muted? I very much agreed with the fact about TinyChat, I feel it's gone on too long.

Anyway, I tweeted the video, got 2 retweets atm.

[lTraditional]

Great points however if they don't improve moderation then they can be "shut down" legally. However, I must say that Channel 4 did us all a favour, you all know how terrible moderation was and this means we won't get banned for reporting people because the mods abused the command and we hopefully can get faster responses which are actually useful. However, Channel 4 did break a lot of terms and conditions but not entering accurate information etc.

[Channel4]

Wait a second, you mean a company is TRYING TO MAKE MONEY? OH MY ******* GOD? HOW DARE THEY DO THAT. WE SHOULD GET EVERYTHIGN FOR FREE AND SO NOTHING COSTS RIGHT. HOW DARE THEY WANT TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES AND HAVE A JOB, DISGUSTING.

Oh hush. You know this is true dont put Habbo on a pedestal. As for "children safety" that will never happen to the extent that parents will want. You know why? Because this is the internet.

If you want to make sure your child isnt a victim then perhaps you yourself should encounter what Habbo is to get a better understanding. Parents love to blame everyone else

As I have said before the common thing for Habbo now is "Change" its a constant thing and has been for a long time. Whenever I speak with old users that return to Habbo after years I explain to them to be prepared for Habbos constant shape shifting.

Now as for Habbo wanting to make money, this is obviously a business and they should be attempting to make money but you need to look real hard at the things they do rather than be like on this is different and thats different now. As i mentioned before they are making this place now a website you wouldn't want to use if you did not pay for anything. Making young users strive to get coins by selling their personal info which in turn is their parents personal info. You can put all the disclaimers and "suggestions" to what they should do and who they should ask before doing so but they will rarely follow these instructions. Because they are children

---------- Post added 14-06-2012 at 03:29 PM ----------


All of our loyal and silent Habbos will receive a badge to recognise their commitment through this period. I will be sure to update you on further developments just as soon as I am able. In the meantime, my thanks again for your ongoing support. -CEO



Ohh wow a badge! Amazing and so cool! How about not wasting my money more and more. SMH

[lTraditional]

Ohh wow a badge! Amazing and so cool! How about not wasting my money more and more. SMH

At least you get a badge, very rare to get freebies on Habbo. Anyway, blame Channel 4!

[lawrawrrr]

They're a company at the end of the day, you can't expect them to happily make a loss, or even break even. It's disgusting how much they do extort money from the users, and they know they can do it because children will ask and beg parents for money.

Nowadays though, children are asking for Habbo gift cards rather than toys from Hasbro, etc, so what's the difference really?

[Bob1]

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-habbo-hotel-proves-that-human-moderators-cannot-stop-online-sex-predators-2012-06-13
can't edit my above post but a very interesting article about a very interesting peice of tech, it's what I think Moshi Monsters uses among other sites, similar to what they've just started introducing to school networks these days.

[xxMATTGxx]

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-habbo-hotel-proves-that-human-moderators-cannot-stop-online-sex-predators-2012-06-13
can't edit my above post but a very interesting article about a very interesting peice of tech, it's what I think Moshi Monsters uses among other sites, similar to what they've just started introducing to school networks these days.

And guess who works at that company, Emma Monks (Old Sulake Staff) and Paul also tweeted about it and then deleted it last night.

[Channel4]

They're a company at the end of the day, you can't expect them to happily make a loss, or even break even. It's disgusting how much they do extort money from the users, and they know they can do it because children will ask and beg parents for money.

Nowadays though, children are asking for Habbo gift cards rather than toys from Hasbro, etc, so what's the difference really?

You just compare an action figure to the internet? There is a big difference.....

[Bob1]

And guess who works at that company, Emma Monks (Old Sulake Staff) and Paul also tweeted about it and then deleted it last night.

Oh really? I liked Emma, Paul should stop bitterly tweeting and take note!

[lawrawrrr]

You just compare an action figure to the internet? There is a big difference.....

Hasbro is another company. Where are all the people moaning about how toys can cos $2 to make and sell for $20? At the end of the day, Sulake and Hasbro are both companies that profit from children.


ok that sounds wrong but you know what i mean.

[rileylol]

This is complete nonsense, all of it. Please refer to my two main tweets.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/hqm4kp (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/hqm4kp)

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/hr7h7e

[MissAlice]

Crisp Thinking is very interesting, maybe it's part of the way forward for Sulake.

[Paige.]

thank god. this mute is ridiculous

[Zak]

I say MissAlice; for sulake staff tbh

[geo]

when d'ya think this is gonna happen? want it to be implemented r/n :(
paullafo is annoying as hell, needs to shut his trap.

[lawrawrrr]

I say @MissAlice (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=3); for sulake staff tbh

Seconded! ahahaha :P I actually used to think she was :D

[MissAlice]

I say MissAlice; for sulake staff tbh

I would love to see Emma Monks have a big involvement in the future of Sulake. One of the very few staff that I have ever admired.

[lawrawrrr]

when d'ya think this is gonna happen? want it to be implemented r/n :(
paullafo is annoying as hell, needs to shut his trap.

I think soonish, as it doesn't take that long between the codes going in and actually being added

[-:Undertaker:-]

The fault lays solely with parents of children who go on the hotel. If these parents did check the hotel out before allowing their children on (which they should do, if they're so concerned and especially if their children are naive) then we wouldn't be having this discussion. Indeed, you cannot allow your children onto an internet chat room without checking and then being surprised that there are rooms titled 'Strip Club' etc.

If most parents did this, then Habbo/Sulake would be forced to put in stricter rules simply to survive as a business. It is totally the wrong way around that a) Sulake gets in trouble for this & b) there are calls for strong government legislation on the internet.

I'd also add, i'm not a fan of Sulake since they won't allow me to redeem my Habbo account - but that's another topic.

[Paige.]

love this video, i basically agree with everything you've said

[qaxzsw]

I'm sorry, but some of the reasons people have given to support Habbo are so ridiculous.


Channel 4 went looking for the explicit chat!
I'm pretty sure that the rooms they went in are at the top of the popular rooms lists... that means typical, young users are likely to click on them without really thinking of it. Also, 11 year olds DON'T go looking for cyber-sex in those rooms, they go to find a 'boyfriend or girlfriend', where they will say "I love you *kiss*" and that's generally the worst that will happen. When you have people going up to these young children with explicit chat, then in my opinion that is NOT okay, and Sulake has a duty to stop this explicit language.


It's the parents fault, they should supervise their children.
In an ideal world, parents would screen EVERY message sent to their children. Habbo is meant to be a MODERATED chat room. That is meant to mean the parents can trust their child's safety on this website. Obviously, they can't which means Habbo is failing. I'm sure most children who use Habbo have their parents maybe in the same room or checking up, but they can't see every message as I said.

There was other ridiculous statements said but I can't remember all of them, but put simply, Habbo is failing their responsibility as a chat room for minors.

[Paige.]

don't think normal users should be able to fully moderate but habbo defiantly needs more active mods that'd be prepared to go through the masses of requests etc

[Paige.]

interesting idea, some of them may get bored with the mute and move onto something else although not all of them will

[ludus]

Who is ludus referring to when he says having destroyed it in days?

The berserk LaFo.

[.DnB]

I agree with this, they wouldn't actually be hobbas though, maybe something similar, I think it should be people who have been a good helper for a while, there should be a few more tests which should be more challenging than the initial one to become a helper and they could determine who would be good for this
Also, they shouldn't be able to do everything a moderator can do but perhaps ban someone from a room or mute them, also make a popup appear on another habbos screen for example if someone is pestering another user, give the user who is being bullied or whatever a popup saying 'you can ignore this user by clicking ignore etc. etc.' or 'remember never to give your personal info away' also, because these people would be habbo players, they can kick or warn people who are blocking or giving away scam links. It would be easy for them to go round the rooms checking up on what is going on and if somebody does need banning then they could use their tool to report it to a mod who would do the actual banning

[MissAlice]

Excellent, I agree with most of what you had to say, with a few exceptions. Only allowing players of 16+ could not be controlled.

[Jarkie]

They need somekind of system implaced; I've tweeted Paul about it already, along with many others.

Lets hope the top-dogs at sulake see our requests. In my eyes, i think sulake would of learned from their mistake with the 'habbas'.

[Red]

Great vid. I liked =] x

[Mathew]

Been out all day so just catching up on the posts. Anything else happened? :P


The berserk LaFo.

Welcome back to Habbox!!!!!

[Red]

habbo needed to act fast in order to stop more negative press, if the mute didn't occur then the media would take note of this saying habbo is doing absolutely nothing in order to prevent what they've been saying, i'm sure sulake would rather gain bad press for muting us than to let us continue our habbo sex scandals with the whole media watching us over the recent days.

internet trolls and the like would infest habbo going against the habbo way in an attempt to gain sulake even more bad press, hoping to shut it down. imagine if 4chan attempted the pool has aids thing again, except instead they hive in dating rooms and just have cybersex with each other, the media would lap this up.

I agree. Even though the mute is annoying, I think it was the best decision for them.

[Mathew]

Just got the badge too on Spectator view - cheers guys! :D

[Jarkie]

Its a nice badge, but the "H" by it feels odd..

[cameron354]

There are some incredibly clever tools out there that can analyse the lines of chat for moderators, and pick out the serious ones from the usual conversations. Habbo must not be using one or only have ones that pick up people saying "5 credits, sex time?"
Actually I think Habbo actually has a tool like since a few weeks ago, a few weeks ago when there was a lot of spamming links to retros and Paul banned links. He started mentioning in his tweets about a tool now in place which created an automatic call for help to the moderators when someone spams links or certain words.

[Shorty]

Actually I think Habbo actually has a tool like since a few weeks ago, a few weeks ago when there was a lot of spamming links to retros and Paul banned links. He started mentioning in his tweets about a tool now in place which created an automatic call for help to the moderators when someone spams links or certain words.

Automated call for helps have been there for years, this screenshot is from the Housekeeping in 2008. You can see it says "Automatic Warning"

http://i.imgur.com/BMKXr.png

[Mathew]

Automated call for helps have been there for years, this screenshot is from the Housekeeping in 2008. You can see it says "Automatic Warning"

http://i.imgur.com/BMKXr.png

Never seen anything like this before! Any others you could share? Where is it from? :D

I like the site... "theallseeingeye.sulake.com" :P!

[MKR&*42]

I must admit, you did make some very fair points (disregarding the issue with Rebecca Newton and the 16-18 year old age base) and I enjoyed how you mentioned that it's also a problem that needs to be dealt with in reality as well as online.

Quite shocked that you can genuinely do sex positions on IMVU? Seriously wtf?.

[GoldenMerc]

Never seen anything like this before! Any others you could share? Where is it from? :D

I like the site... "theallseeingeye.sulake.com" :P!

Its housekeeping, when someone from Habbox's ex admin team hacked Sulake 8-)

[Smurfed-]

Is it going to be on channel 4 again tonight?

[GoldenMerc]

Is it going to be on channel 4 again tonight?

Don't think so to be fair

[geo]

that was a really great video, i agreed with just about every point. :)

[MKR&*42]

They're doing cyber bullying tonight^ Smurfed-; They did show a preview last week in which a pic. of the Habbo homepage featured but I *doubt* it'll be on there tonight lol.

[Amberr]

Think they are saying something bout it tonight, think its more on about previous stories of 11 year olds being on internet chat rooms but obviously directing it all onto habbo.

[Kasabian]

This is a very good read, if anyone's interested. It's by vito201-:D

Dear Channel4, ShenkX is launching a SMALL attack on you in hope that you will listen to reason.
The attack is in regards to our disgust in your short-sighted view on cybersex online and targeting Sulake specifically.
It will stop as soon as you admit your mistake in targeting Habbo and/or tell parents that the internet in GENERAL is not a safe place for children.


ShenkX is actually one of the largest Habbo exploitation communities online - you'd think, therefore, we'd be backing you as we've cost Sulake staff a lot of time&money and been responsible for a lot of Habbo's downtime/removal of features in the past - hell, it's even quite safe to say Sulake have struggled moderating cybersex due to our activities!
Most of Sulakes money goes into development, and a lot goes into patching the things communities like mine find - this is how I know Sulake staff are dedicated to keeping their users safe, patching serious exploits within a matter of hours!
But instead, for once, I'm backing Sulake - this is because I realise that your short-sighted view is far more likely to be harmful to children than not.


HabboHotel is honestly one of the safest MMOCC communities online, and also one of the biggest - the staff are very dedicated and all reported incidents are looked into pretty toughly.
Any website of this size cannot be 100% moderated however, especially with the amount of trolls/paedophiles/cyberrapists online today.


As a news site you are meant to display an "bigger" picture and not target individuals. I mean have you guys ever read YouTube comments? Hell, I bet even Channel4 comments get trolled by cyber-rapists?!
I'm in half a mind to troll your site with Child Pornography and tell the BBC about it, see if I can get you ***** shutdown/muted too - cost you a few ten-thousand pounds of advertising/shares/etc.
I will not, but know that it would take minutes for me to set up a bot that would FLOOD your site with THOUSANDS of images of child pornography without even the need of me having to view/download/host a single of the images - due to their being dedicated server databases online with literally millions of Child Pornographic images that I can access remotely and create an automated posting device to randomise the images posted and displayed on chat-inputs on your site.


The internet is FULL of cyber-rapists, cyber-*****s, paedophiles, drug addicts and general sick individuals - targeting Habbo in a sea of filth is like taking a food company to court for an item being unsatisfactory, despite buying it in a supermarket where all other items were LESS satisfactory!
Yes Habbo is targeted at 13+, but some MMOCC/RPGs target a lower audience and they have just as much sexually explicit behaviour - some even have more! And most are less moderated than Habbo is.
Also you claim Habbo is the biggest site of its type - Sulake would like to believe this as well but it isn't actually true - some of the Facebook MMOCCs like "YoVille!" are actually bigger, and Habbo is SMALL in comparison to the top 50 MMORPGs like World Of Warcraft and Runescape - and ALL these sites suffer just as much as Habbo (If not more) in regards to trolling/cybersex and paedophilia/child molestation cases.
And that's not even to mention that YouTube/Facebook/etc are also FULL of MORE paedophiles DIRECTLY tracking children's movements.


The message you need to send out to parents is that "All of the online community is unsafe for your children." if you've forced many parents to block their child from Habbo but not something like 4chan, you've seriously failed in your duty to report dangers.
If parents have just blocked access to Habbo their child will just find another MMOCC/RPG to play on, and like I said, most other MMOCC/RPG chats are LESS regulated than Habbo and thus MORE dangerous - you targeting Habbo has thus probably made children LESS safe which is a gross misconduct on your part.


I joined the online community in around 1998/1999 at the age of eight, I saw and read many, many, MANY things that I shouldn't have at that age... but I do not blame my parents as the internet was bran new at that time and I was a cleaver child that wanted to see the vast majority of things that I did.
But parents cannot claim ignorance any more - they need to step up and explain to their child(ren) the dangers online and properly monitor their child(ren) online movements.


When I was eleven I joined HabboHotel, I was propositioned many times to go on cam/have cybersex/etc, I always said "No." - I mean honestly, what kind of child doesn't know not to send pictures of themselves naked to people online?!
If you suspect your child is that ******ed (My parents KNEW I wasn't), why would you let them online?! That's serious child neglect, I wouldn't let that happen if I was a parent... I mean, Jesus Christ?!


Also, when you try and take a "non-bias" interview from another MMOCC staff member (Rebecca Newton of MoshiMonsters) make sure they're not a pissed off ex-Sulake employee? "Becs", as her Habbo Moderator name was called, was sacked when Habbo outsourced their chat moderation - of course she's gonna be angry and wanting to make Sulake appear weak.
You failed to mention this despite, I expect, knowing it was true(?) and in doing so/not researching properly you lied to your audience.


In short, since you have not done your duties as a news corporation, I will be launching an attack against you until I am heard.
I look forward to hearing a legitimate response from you and I guess this is the only way I have any hope of getting one since all my emails and complaints have been ignored thus far.


I always had respect for Channel4 news, I now have none.


Regards,
- Alex (Shenk).

*REMOVED*

Edited by Zuth (Forum Moderator): Please do not post links to Habbo Exploit Sites.

[Mark]

Is it going to be on channel 4 again tonight?

I'd assume there will be something about it tbh, even if it's just a round-up or whether another major investor has pulled out.

[Michael]

Upon visiting another forum talking about this, a user on the forum said that the chat on the News reporters (or the girl who found the info's) screen said:


- Hey
- What's up?
- **
- I like your name :P
- I like yours
- **
- :o (s)why?

Thought i'd share it with you :)

EDIT: Researched myself if it was true, and found this

http://i.imgur.com/VLS3o.png

[GoldenMerc]

Well and truely pathetic that C4 are that desperate for news

[qaxzsw]

Well and truely pathetic that C4 are that desperate for news

Even though everything they are saying is actually an issue on habbo?

[Xedia]

Well it's not the main story on C4 tonight, and it doesn't look like there's going to be anything on it.

[Mark]

Even though everything they are saying is actually an issue on habbo?

Agreed, everyone can try and defend Habbo but it was a problem for a long time and only now is being publicised. I find it stupid how people are sticking up for Habbo despite the fact that most of everything C4 reported, was an issue. The moderation was terrible and the whole cyber sex thing was just plain annoying.

[GoldenMerc]

Even though everything they are saying is actually an issue on habbo?

Small issue on Habbo, they make it a big issue.

[GommeInc]

This is a very good read, if anyone's interested. It's by vito201-:D

Dear Channel4, ShenkX is launching a SMALL attack on you in hope that you will listen to reason.
The attack is in regards to our disgust in your short-sighted view on cybersex online and targeting Sulake specifically.
It will stop as soon as you admit your mistake in targeting Habbo and/or tell parents that the internet in GENERAL is not a safe place for children.


ShenkX is actually one of the largest Habbo exploitation communities online - you'd think, therefore, we'd be backing you as we've cost Sulake staff a lot of time&money and been responsible for a lot of Habbo's downtime/removal of features in the past - hell, it's even quite safe to say Sulake have struggled moderating cybersex due to our activities!
Most of Sulakes money goes into development, and a lot goes into patching the things communities like mine find - this is how I know Sulake staff are dedicated to keeping their users safe, patching serious exploits within a matter of hours!
But instead, for once, I'm backing Sulake - this is because I realise that your short-sighted view is far more likely to be harmful to children than not.


HabboHotel is honestly one of the safest MMOCC communities online, and also one of the biggest - the staff are very dedicated and all reported incidents are looked into pretty toughly.
Any website of this size cannot be 100% moderated however, especially with the amount of trolls/paedophiles/cyberrapists online today.


As a news site you are meant to display an "bigger" picture and not target individuals. I mean have you guys ever read YouTube comments? Hell, I bet even Channel4 comments get trolled by cyber-rapists?!
I'm in half a mind to troll your site with Child Pornography and tell the BBC about it, see if I can get you ***** shutdown/muted too - cost you a few ten-thousand pounds of advertising/shares/etc.
I will not, but know that it would take minutes for me to set up a bot that would FLOOD your site with THOUSANDS of images of child pornography without even the need of me having to view/download/host a single of the images - due to their being dedicated server databases online with literally millions of Child Pornographic images that I can access remotely and create an automated posting device to randomise the images posted and displayed on chat-inputs on your site.


The internet is FULL of cyber-rapists, cyber-*****s, paedophiles, drug addicts and general sick individuals - targeting Habbo in a sea of filth is like taking a food company to court for an item being unsatisfactory, despite buying it in a supermarket where all other items were LESS satisfactory!
Yes Habbo is targeted at 13+, but some MMOCC/RPGs target a lower audience and they have just as much sexually explicit behaviour - some even have more! And most are less moderated than Habbo is.
Also you claim Habbo is the biggest site of its type - Sulake would like to believe this as well but it isn't actually true - some of the Facebook MMOCCs like "YoVille!" are actually bigger, and Habbo is SMALL in comparison to the top 50 MMORPGs like World Of Warcraft and Runescape - and ALL these sites suffer just as much as Habbo (If not more) in regards to trolling/cybersex and paedophilia/child molestation cases.
And that's not even to mention that YouTube/Facebook/etc are also FULL of MORE paedophiles DIRECTLY tracking children's movements.


The message you need to send out to parents is that "All of the online community is unsafe for your children." if you've forced many parents to block their child from Habbo but not something like 4chan, you've seriously failed in your duty to report dangers.
If parents have just blocked access to Habbo their child will just find another MMOCC/RPG to play on, and like I said, most other MMOCC/RPG chats are LESS regulated than Habbo and thus MORE dangerous - you targeting Habbo has thus probably made children LESS safe which is a gross misconduct on your part.


I joined the online community in around 1998/1999 at the age of eight, I saw and read many, many, MANY things that I shouldn't have at that age... but I do not blame my parents as the internet was bran new at that time and I was a cleaver child that wanted to see the vast majority of things that I did.
But parents cannot claim ignorance any more - they need to step up and explain to their child(ren) the dangers online and properly monitor their child(ren) online movements.


When I was eleven I joined HabboHotel, I was propositioned many times to go on cam/have cybersex/etc, I always said "No." - I mean honestly, what kind of child doesn't know not to send pictures of themselves naked to people online?!
If you suspect your child is that ******ed (My parents KNEW I wasn't), why would you let them online?! That's serious child neglect, I wouldn't let that happen if I was a parent... I mean, Jesus Christ?!


Also, when you try and take a "non-bias" interview from another MMOCC staff member (Rebecca Newton of MoshiMonsters) make sure they're not a pissed off ex-Sulake employee? "Becs", as her Habbo Moderator name was called, was sacked when Habbo outsourced their chat moderation - of course she's gonna be angry and wanting to make Sulake appear weak.
You failed to mention this despite, I expect, knowing it was true(?) and in doing so/not researching properly you lied to your audience.


In short, since you have not done your duties as a news corporation, I will be launching an attack against you until I am heard.
I look forward to hearing a legitimate response from you and I guess this is the only way I have any hope of getting one since all my emails and complaints have been ignored thus far.


I always had respect for Channel4 news, I now have none.


Regards,
- Alex (Shenk).

Taken from Shenkx - A message to C4 (http://shenkx.co.uk/AMessageToC4.txt)
Oh dear, he's one of them - I R the cyba polis! One of those 'Let's attack a website because it doesn't agree with me' sort of people. The idiot doesn't understand the word bias and what a report is. They should just ignore him, he's an imbesile.

Most of that message was stupid - his supermarket example was ridiculously bad :P

[MKR&*42]

Upon visiting another forum talking about this, a user on the forum said that the chat on the News reporters (or the girl who found the info's) screen said:



Thought i'd share it with you :)

EDIT: Researched myself if it was true, and found this

http://i.imgur.com/VLS3o.png

LOL OMG. How sneaky. Jeez, didn't recall them mentioning they replied with "I like yours" on C4 did they.

Edit: Oh ok I misread that, thought it said body lmfao. This is exactly what the convo says:

dirtyboii: hey
C4: What's up?
dirtyboii: nm (not much)
dirtyboii: I like your name
C4: I like yours
dirtyboii: thx
dirtyboii: : o why?
C4: I can't read that, think it says "idk".
dirtyboii: tell me what your body's like
C4: I'm a bit too young for that
dirtyboii: How old are you?

The other dude actually went to check her age :S? Admittedly he should have never said it in the first place, but that 1 sexual line wasn't proceeded by many but instead he genuinely asked her age. If they had replied with "11" , then I'd like to know what would have happened?

[Oasis]

Small issue on Habbo, they make it a big issue.

I wouldn't really say users safety is a small issue?

[GommeInc]

LOL OMG. How sneaky. Jeez, didn't recall them mentioning they replied with "I like yours" on C4 did they.
In all honesty it doesn't need to. It's all harmless until the discussion turns to more intimate details. If anything it was a natural discussion, if someone says to you that your Habbo name is nice, you say thanks or say their name is good too.

The fact of the matter was the chat turned sour and it was allowed to do so.

[Xedia]

In all honesty it doesn't need to. It's all harmless until the discussion turns to more intimate details. If anything it was a natural discussion, if someone says to you that your Habbo name is nice, you say thanks or say their name is good too.

The fact of the matter was the chat turned sour and it was allowed to do so.

The fact that his name was 'Dirtyboii' and she said she liked it, probably lead him on to think she was up to it.

[MKR&*42]

In all honesty it doesn't need to. It's all harmless until the discussion turns to more intimate details. If anything it was a natural discussion, if someone says to you that your Habbo name is nice, you say thanks or say their name is good too.

The fact of the matter was the chat turned sour and it was allowed to do so.

Read my edit, I misread ^ :P.

[Mark]

I wouldn't really say users safety is a small issue?

Lol nor would I, the moderation problem as a whole affects the running of the whole site and what starts off as a flirty chat, leads to things that the young person may not understand. The main problem C4 exploited was the fact the moderators ban people for advertising habbox.com yet don't ban people who are cybering as they used a 3 instead of an e.

[MKR&*42]

In all honesty it doesn't need to. It's all harmless until the discussion turns to more intimate details. If anything it was a natural discussion, if someone says to you that your Habbo name is nice, you say thanks or say their name is good too.

The fact of the matter was the chat turned sour and it was allowed to do so.

Swear to God if this forum laggs on me once more. Either read my edit or I'll just tell you ('cause I misread) xD

Admittedly, he shouldn't have said that straight away/after about 2 lines at all and it certainly doesn't help the paedophilia thing. But he then goes on to ask her age? What do you think would have happened if she'd (or he considering a male reporter did it) said 11?

(Question is aimed at you btw xD).

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FYI, posted twice due to forum lagg sorry :(.

[Xedia]

Read my edit, I misread ^ :P.


dirtyboii: thx
dirtyboii: : o why?
C4: I can't read that, think it says "idk".

It looks like this to me:

dirtyboii: thx
dirtyboii: U shy?
C4: No

[GommeInc]

The fact that his name was 'Dirtyboii' and she said she liked it, probably lead him on to think she was up to it.
He seemed genuinely up to regardless of the comment, he did start it off afterall :P


What do you think would have happened if she'd (or he considering a male reporter did it) said 11?

(Question is aimed at you btw xD).

--

FYI, posted twice due to forum lagg sorry :(.
Well from what you made out of it, he does say he was "too young for that" (I think it was a male reported pretending to be a girl?) and then dirtyboii goes on to ask the age.

I wouldn't want to imagine what his response would be if she said 11, because there's no indication as to his intent. If he said 11 and responded "dats fine" or whatever, then naturally that's a concern. It's a question that can not have an actual answer :P They may of not answered it because they could get in trouble. It would of been interesting though.

Either way, a moderator should of been watching. It annoys me the expert says "the fire brigade should be coming" when I would hope a police officer would come to the scene of a crime and not an under-equipped and inexperienced fire officer :P

[MKR&*42]

It looks like this to me:

dirtyboii: thx
dirtyboii: U shy?
C4: No

:O So it does. The s looks partially different to the w in "what's up?". I don't think they should have said that either tbh lol, but if they meant it in a non-sexual manner (C4) then fine.

[Oasis]

LOL just watched channel 4 "some setting themselves on fire"

[MKR&*42]

Just saw @scottish (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53890); and lawrawrrr; on tv in the welcome lounge ;) Also lmfao at the 4 + death signs. Can't believe they're brought it up again.

[Red]

dying at habbos set themsleves on fire!!!!!

[Xedia]

He seemed genuinely up to regardless of the comment, he did start it off afterall :P

I suppose, Just seems a bit fishy she said she liked the name Dityboii. :P

[Oasis]

Lets be honest though it's Sulake's own fault that this has happened.

They should have picked up on their lack of moderation before a news organization picked up on it, and brought it into the public eye.

[GoldenMerc]

Dirtyboii must be one famous kid now, been on tv 3 times, for trying to pull a 10 year old girl?
But then again did they say they were 10?

[Xedia]

LOL just watched channel 4 "some setting themselves on fire"

URGH the moment I go away from the TV I miss it -.-

[Jamesking56]

Thought I'd share with you this picture... Might set it as my desktop wallpaper for memories :)

http://f.cl.ly/items/363E1s1o0x3Y2p2O030p/Habbo%20Protest.jpg

[Xedia]

Dirtyboii must be one famous kid now, been on tv 3 times, for trying to pull a 10 year old girl?
But then again did they say they were 10?

11. But has he been online since? :P I bet he hasn't even been banned yet.

[GoldenMerc]

23 days ago he was last online... iv f/r'd him and when he accepts he can go into my e-famous group xo

[GommeInc]

23 days ago he was last online... iv f/r'd him and when he accepts he can go into my e-famous group xo
Maybe he quit because he found love with that reporter? It would be hilarious if all this time they were both the same age and a relationship flourished because of the report :P

[GoldenMerc]

Maybe he quit because he found love with that reporter? It would be hilarious if all this time they were both the same age and a relationship flourished because of the report :P

blates u grabbed him
WHAT IF HE WAS 11 ASWEL OMG
wait if he was 11 it'd be even funnier

[Andii]

Thought I'd share with you this picture... Might set it as my desktop wallpaper for memories :)

http://f.cl.ly/items/363E1s1o0x3Y2p2O030p/Habbo%20Protest.jpg


haha me and sasha standing there :) her sleeping and me with white jacket

[FlyingJesus]

That Shenk email is hilarious, just blowing his own horn and trying to look like he's of some importance while proving that there really are bad people on Habbo

[scottish]

Just saw @scottish (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53890); and lawrawrrr; on tv in the welcome lounge ;) Also lmfao at the 4 + death signs. Can't believe they're brought it up again.

was I? lmao i sat in there for like 30 mins.

[GoldenMerc]

wow this threads booming again with 38 users on it;

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silly counter.
Anyways wonder when they'l stop reporting it?

[MKR&*42]

He seemed genuinely up to regardless of the comment, he did start it off afterall :P


Well from what you made out of it, he does say he was "too young for that" (I think it was a male reported pretending to be a girl?) and then dirtyboii goes on to ask the age.

I wouldn't want to imagine what his response would be if she said 11, because there's no indication as to his intent. If he said 11 and responded "dats fine" or whatever, then naturally that's a concern. It's a question that can not have an actual answer :P They may of not answered it because they could get in trouble. It would of been interesting though.

Either way, a moderator should of been watching. It annoys me the expert says "the fire brigade should be coming" when I would hope a police officer would come to the scene of a crime and not an under-equipped and inexperienced fire officer :P

Oh I didn't see your reply, sorry. Everything you've said is fair I suppose and I certainly agree with your whimsical final paragraph xD but now I'm starting to ponder what he (dirtyboii) would have thought as "too young". I would have hoped (like you) he'd consider 11 far too young but I wonder where he draws the boundary for "young". If he considered under 16 to be too young, then fair enough (even though he shouldn't have attempted a sexual discussion) but if he considered under 12 to be young, then I would have been majorly disgusted.

Someone attempt to find out dirtyboii's age? :P I kid x

[MKR&*42]

Oh loool, Shorty; is that from when Finch-HIMself "hacked" the US hotel or not? xD. Nevertheless, thanks for posting that x

[Smurfed-]

Bugger, I had to do something urgently. Did I miss anything massive on channel 4?

[MKR&*42]

Bugger, I had to do something urgently. Did I miss anything massive on channel 4?

Not really, just them mentioning the global mute, showing pics of people holding torches and the users showing "4" then "death" sign LOL.

[Smurfed-]

Not really, just them mentioning the global mute, showing pics of people holding torches and the users showing "4" then "death" sign LOL.

LOL, at least I didn't miss anything.

[Bob1]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jun/14/habbo-hotel-private-equity-stake?newsfeed=true

Not sure if this has been posted yet but NSPCC getting involved, jumping on the bandwagon, luckily for Habbo they don't appear to be targeting it so no witch hunt yet, just general education for parents/better tech.

[Ladiesman13]

That should be a moderation boost right there. Cyber on Habbo, Be on national tv. Infact someone should make a bad luck Brian meme :)

[BlueEyedSarah]

So whats going to happen to Habbo? If anything?

[GoldenMerc]

So whats going to happen to Habbo? If anything?
Nothing, there arn't being investigated by police as far as i know

[Oasis]

Getting UK mods back would be a good start.

[Bob1]

So whats going to happen to Habbo? If anything?

They really need to get the updates right to fix problems, a lot of pressure. I bet channel 4 are waiting to reinvestigate as soon as chat is enabled, I think they'll survive this, the government rep and expert they had on C4 yesterday seemed to be pro-Habbo and the NSPCC isn't kicking off but a second big exposé like this could nail the coffin.

[Oasis]

& also hope to god the sun don't get bored and decide to run a campaign against them. :P

[GoldenMerc]

Should get C4 badges this this

[MKR&*42]

& also hope to god the sun don't get bored and decide to run a campaign against them. :P

I'd be more concerned if it appeared on BBC news (on TV). I'm sure that's far more "popular" than Channel 4 and reaches more people? I think their online article(s) about Habbo have been shared over 1000 times anyway xD.

[Oasis]

I'd be more concerned if it appeared on BBC news (on TV). I'm sure that's far more "popular" than Channel 4 and reaches more people? I think their online article(s) about Habbo have been shared over 1000 times anyway xD.

Channel 4 news is produced by ITN so i'm really surprised it's not been on there.

[Red]

Lmao this tweet from Paraic O'Brien made me laugh.

'we didn't go looking for it. Out producers #habbo (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23habbo) was not wearing a coconut bra. (a sentence I never thought I'd say)'

[GoldenMerc]

The poll in this thread is silly as hell, but Habbo won't shut, not yet at least

[MKR&*42]

Channel 4 news is produced by ITN so i'm really surprised it's not been on there.

Oh really, that is rather surprising then o.o . I'm not sure Channel 4 would ever do another report about this tbh, after the complaints they've got over this (even a large portion are from users who have no idea about moderation and safety) it'd be quite brave of them to try and destroy Sulake's reputation even more xD.

But yeah, your original comment is quite surprising.
Red; LOL.

[lawrawrrr]

Just saw @scottish (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=53890); and @lawrawrrr (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=61966); on tv in the welcome lounge ;) Also lmfao at the 4 + death signs. Can't believe they're brought it up again.

LOL ARE YOU KIDDING

CHANNEL 4 AGAIN??

I WANT TO SEE ME

[sxcLILLsquirrel]

the group homeroom is this : http://www.habbo.com/room/49008974

Threads merged by Jordan (Forum Super Moderator): Due to same topic

[David]

no can do, champ.

It's strictly my nature to not join random groups.

[GoldenMerc]

Just for telling me to join a group -rep
P.s wrong section

[Andii]

the group homeroom is this : http://www.habbo.com/room/49008974

Threads merged by Jordan (Forum Super Moderator): Due to same topic

lol might aswell. . also like my page in my signature :) and share it around i want over 10000 likes

[qaxzsw]

I love how teenagers think they are actually going to influence channel 4? People making groups on habbo are not going to influence them at all. How pathetic that people are branding Channel 4 liars when clearly everyone knows the issues they've highlighted are prominent on habbo....

[GoldenMerc]

I love how teenagers think they are actually going to influence channel 4? People making groups on habbo are not going to influence them at all. How pathetic that people are branding Channel 4 liars when clearly everyone knows the issues they've highlighted are prominent on habbo....
If enough people do it, they will.

[qaxzsw]

If enough people do it, they will.

No they won't? haha, what is the worse thing you can all do? Boycott channel 4 news? How many habbo users watch it anyway? Not that many I guess, they won't notice a drop in viewers... news corporations don't usually tend to give into pressure because guess what? Their job is to reveal the truth.

[scottish]

they'll start watching hollyoaks on E4 instead of channel 4 ;l

[GoldenMerc]

Course they won't boycott c4, don't be silly but 5-10k of users signing petitions course that'd do something, not much but still a difference.

[Niall!]

Here's an idea folks; if you really want to complain about the bias in the report write too Ofcom. ​They are the only ones with the power to make this stop.

[qaxzsw]

Course they won't boycott c4, don't be silly but 5-10k of users signing petitions course that'd do something, not much but still a difference.

A petition to say what? They've done their own investigation and they've got evidence. The damage is done, they're not going to withdraw a statement, they're not going to apologise, what other way will it make a difference? Besides, doubt that many people would even sign a petition. I'm afraid they're not going to listen to you anyway... you're a tad biased right?

[GoldenMerc]

A petition to say what? They've done their own investigation and they've got evidence. The damage is done, they're not going to withdraw a statement, they're not going to apologise, what other way will it make a difference? Besides, doubt that many people would even sign a petition. I'm afraid they're not going to listen to you anyway... you're a tad biased right?

Did you not read earlier in the thread? for one she never said her age.
For two he said nice body or something and she said you too, they were encouraging them, plus his name was dirtyboii don't expect much different, wouldnt suprise me if he was 11 ether. Why are you so defensive? im not biased at all.

[Andii]

I love how teenagers think they are actually going to influence channel 4? People making groups on habbo are not going to influence them at all. How pathetic that people are branding Channel 4 liars when clearly everyone knows the issues they've highlighted are prominent on habbo....

lol you -rep saying brainwashed by habbo???all because i commented to a new user saying i would join his group. . Really sad you are haha. also i voted to close habbo.

More news is coming later tonight on the Mute just heard

[qaxzsw]

Did you not read earlier in the thread? for one she never said her age.
For two he said nice body or something and she said you too, they were encouraging them, plus his name was dirtyboii don't expect much different, wouldnt suprise me if he was 11 ether. Why are you so defensive? im not biased at all.

She didn't say her age in that screenshot.. how do you not know she said her age after it was taken? Plus, he didn't say nice body, he said nice name. If they want to dig up evidence they're not gonna reply "eww back off". Anyway a young girl or boy is likely to return any compliment because they want to make friends, and at that age it's not likely they will link 'dirty' to sexually dirty, so it's not as if she went out her way to look for trouble? The fact that he messaged her first and things like that proves it. You are also being blind to the fact that habbo allowed rooms like "strip club" and "sexy singles" to remain open, when clearly explicit conversation is likely to occur in such rooms.

[GoldenMerc]

She didn't say her age in that screenshot.. how do you not know she said her age after it was taken? Plus, he didn't say nice body, he said nice name. If they want to dig up evidence they're not gonna reply "eww back off". Anyway a young girl or boy is likely to return any compliment because they want to make friends, and at that age it's not likely they will link 'dirty' to sexually dirty, so it's not as if she went out her way to look for trouble? The fact that he messaged her first and things like that proves it. You are also being blind to the fact that habbo allowed rooms like "strip club" and "sexy singles" to remain open, when clearly explicit conversation is likely to occur in such rooms.

Strip club ~ Totally shouldn't be allowed
Sexy singles ~ whats so wrong with this? Doesn't incline there going to all have a e-orgy...

[qaxzsw]

Strip club ~ Totally shouldn't be allowed
Sexy singles ~ whats so wrong with this? Doesn't incline there going to all have a e-orgy...

Whether or not it suggests sexual conversation, it happens in these dating rooms, that are also commonly used by younger players. This means they shouldn't really be allowed.

[GoldenMerc]

What so any room that's bound to have younger members in it is against the law / t&c?
No totally wrong, heck thats most likely where they are earning more money, by younger teens making "Night clubs"

[Jurv]

looks like the unmute will be sometime soon!

http://icap.me/i/Ac5w31HQx6.png

[qaxzsw]

What so any room that's bound to have younger members in it is against the law / t&c?
No totally wrong, heck thats most likely where they are earning more money, by younger teens making "Night clubs"

Well done for ignoring half of what I wrote. Sexual conversation is common in these rooms that are also popular with younger players which makes it even more wrong. Even so, the name "Sexy Singles" does suggest sexual conversation. In my opinion dating rooms shouldn't be allowed, let alone promoted by habbo.