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mangle
17-05-2008, 04:35 PM
Hmmm
Could be, depends imo.
JD In general sounds lame.
CJW93
17-05-2008, 09:32 PM
Booby Lashley and Kristal Marashal are exp[ecting there first Child:O
Misawa
18-05-2008, 01:49 AM
They should have had Umaga attack Hardy backstage in a rage from his loss and set up a PPV rematch; in the interest of business, people would buy the event simply for Jeff. The top that he wore is nothing compared to some things that he's worn, and he's even worn that many times before. I guess people here are perhaps not long-time fans.
Simmzay
18-05-2008, 06:24 AM
Booby Lashley and Kristal Marashal are exp[ecting there first Child:O
Dating within the company rarely works out well.
mangle
18-05-2008, 10:12 AM
I've seen some of the stupid stuff Jeff has worn!
Umaga is switching brands, I think he may be turning face.
And Jeff Hardy needs his IC title back!
Edit, 4K POSTS!
Jericho
18-05-2008, 10:19 AM
Well done ^^
Seriousley though, JD will be a suckfest, unless someone new Debuts.. hopefully Chris Harris.. Dont know why, I just think one of the 2 TNA wrestlers WWE hired will debut.
My predictions for the matches I might watch
Taker wins
HHH wins via... some lame win.
Jericho gets a heel win vs HBK for match of the night. (Dont expect a XIX rematch, both men are older, HBK is getting older now.. but this will steal the show for me, Jericho facing his Childhood idol worked great at XIX, should be great again.)
Wow, big show vs mark henry... match of the year candidate much? Ha!
CJW93
18-05-2008, 12:28 PM
Just order the ppv tbh I though Wrestlemania was going to be as bad as 23 but they pulled off an amazing show with some crazy spots in matches.
Backlash was ok but im hoping that Judgemt Day is an improvemt
Anyone else orderd?
mangle
18-05-2008, 12:47 PM
Nope, catch the highlights tomorrow.
I reckon Edge will win, Vince was the one who decided to strip Taker of his title.
Scouse
18-05-2008, 01:36 PM
They should have had Umaga attack Hardy backstage in a rage from his loss and set up a PPV rematch; in the interest of business, people would buy the event simply for Jeff. The top that he wore is nothing compared to some things that he's worn, and he's even worn that many times before. I guess people here are perhaps not long-time fans.
i watched wwe years ago but stopped after the wcw & ecw invasion but started watching again in january.
mangle
18-05-2008, 01:40 PM
Jeff Hardy has had some mad *** outfits.
Rainbow haired warrior ftw!
Scouse
18-05-2008, 03:46 PM
is jericho's title on the line tonight against michaels? i hope it is..
Misawa
18-05-2008, 03:50 PM
I don't think the title should be on the line. It's a rivalry that didn't stem from the strap; would feel out of place - there has been no contendership.
I doubt Killings or Harris will debut on the PPV. They'll debut on RAW or SmackDown! as they are too average to make an impact on a pay-per-view.
mangle
18-05-2008, 04:30 PM
Jericho ftw tonight, don't feel Michaels needs to win this
CJW93
18-05-2008, 07:34 PM
I am pretty exited for Cm Punk& Kane v The Miz & John Morrison.
Cena Jbl sounds um k
HHH Randy Orton going to be ok I feel
Edge Undertaker have had two decent ppv matches looking forward to number three.
mangle
18-05-2008, 07:35 PM
I want the cage match to be a blood fest!
That'd be rad.
That tag team match I can see beeing alright tbh.
CJW93
18-05-2008, 07:40 PM
I want the cage match to be a blood fest!
That'd be rad.
That tag team match I can see beeing alright tbh.
Anything with Cm Punk sounds cool
want a live stream link?
mangle
18-05-2008, 07:42 PM
No thankyou, exam early in the morning. VERY early night!
CJW93
18-05-2008, 09:12 PM
Backstage, it's going around that a match between Jeff Hardy and MVP could be added to tonight's Judgment Day pay-per-view. At least at one point, the match was listed on the line-up backstage.
There appears to be some confusion regarding a Big Show vs. Mark Henry match taking place tonight at Judgment Day. WWE.com does not have the match listed in the Judgment section, however, the match was mentioned in the SmackDown report, but later pulled. The POWER 25 section on WWE.com notes that a match is taking place between the two behemoths, although, they may have forgotten to change it. The caption for Big Show in the latest POWER 25 reads: "After proving to be so dominant against the top competitors for the World Heavyweight Championship last week, Big Show picked up a big tag team win over MVP & his Judgment Day opponent, Mark Henry."
A number of the finishes and angles for tonight's Judgment Day pay-per-view were up in the air as late as today. Vince McMahon read through the script of the show on Friday, but wouldn't finalize some of the match finishes. Some of the finishes for tonight's show weren't fully decided until today.
mangle
19-05-2008, 03:13 PM
Well that was crap LOL
Scouse
19-05-2008, 04:08 PM
yep it was. specialy live, because of the weather over there it kept jumping and crashing during the steel cage match so couldnt watch it properly, but at the end when triple h won, it went fine! really pissed me off.
mangle
19-05-2008, 05:32 PM
I wanna know who Hardy will feud with until the next ppv
Scouse
20-05-2008, 01:19 PM
I wanna know who Hardy will feud with until the next ppv
umaga.
william regal has been sacked. new he would be i think theodor(sp?) long is going to be new gm.
CJW93
20-05-2008, 03:48 PM
Regal is facong a suspension
CJW93
20-05-2008, 03:48 PM
Regal is facing a suspension
SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST.
MODS PLEASE DELETE THIS POST
mangle
20-05-2008, 06:55 PM
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Got done up for drugs, poontang.
looks like 2007 got its feud back in Umaga Jeff Hardy :|
CJW93
20-05-2008, 06:58 PM
Not sure how long Jeff Umaga will last due to Umaga jumping to Smackdown soon and feuding with the Undertaker
mangle
20-05-2008, 07:09 PM
Jericho (Joe!) wants Jeff to get IC title, loser leaves Raw match for IC title.
Umaga getting kicked off!
Misawa
20-05-2008, 07:12 PM
An Umaga/Hardy/Jericho Triple Threat IC strap TLC match would be quite entertaining.
I have a feeling we will be seeing Jericho vs. Hardy for the IC title perhaps in a Ladder Match in the near future.
mangle
20-05-2008, 07:15 PM
I want that to happen, Hardy was a good IC champ. I don't think he's ready for the main stage but as a IC champ he's cool. Same with Matt tbh, I prefer them in TLC matches though ;)
Misawa
20-05-2008, 07:16 PM
Hardy was most likely going to get a run with the WWE Title probably right about now, but then he screwed up.
mangle
20-05-2008, 07:19 PM
Yeah, he's still up there though. He's a huge money raiser for wwe.
CJW93
27-05-2008, 12:06 AM
http://www.justin.tv/ringo_tv
Streaming Raw tonight but he is showing smackdown until Raw goes live
Enjoy children
Raw Spoilers (not certain)
A Triple H-Randy Orton face-off will open RAW tonight.
John Cena and Jeff Hardy vs. Umaga and JBL.
Vince McMahon appears live to announce the next WWE draft.
I expect a new General Manager of RAW to be announced. Teddy Long? Or someone else.
Roddy Piper is there so that storyline continues.
See you in just a few minutes for coverage.
mangle
27-05-2008, 09:14 AM
Whats this about million dollars im hearing?
Cmon man, fat chance of it happening haha!
Diabase jr looks just like Orton haha!
CJW93
27-05-2008, 08:13 PM
Draft in four weeks
always exiting
mangle
28-05-2008, 08:07 AM
I want Punk to cash in his MITB this Sunday. Add real excitement to it for once!
Scouse
29-05-2008, 10:48 PM
one night stand looks good, will it be on sky sports?
mangle
30-05-2008, 08:47 AM
Last Man Standing WWE Championship Match
- Triple H (c) vs. Randy Orton
TLC World Heavyweight Championship Match
The Undertaker (c) vs. Edge
First Blood Match
- John Cena vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield
Stretcher Match
- Shawn Michaels vs. Batista
Falls Count Anywhere
- Jeff Hardy vs. Umaga
Singapore Cane Match (#1 Contender For The ECW Championship)
- Big Show vs. Chavo Guerrero vs. John Morrison vs. CM Punk vs. Tommy Dreamer
I Quit Match
Beth Phoenix vs. Melina
Yeah its on sky sports.
Looks wicked aswell.
CJW93
01-06-2008, 01:19 PM
Diva I Quit Match?
Thats going to suck
CJW93
01-06-2008, 03:59 PM
- WWE house shows after One Night Stand PPV are advertising Edge as the World Champion. At one point of time this was the plan but it's unsure if management will go through with the idea since the match stipulation has change to if the Undertaker loses he will have to leave WWE.
- Batista will be taking time off following One Night Stand and won't make his return until SummerSlam. This is not Wellness-related. There's a good chance he will be taken out on a stretcher tomorrow night.
mangle
01-06-2008, 04:43 PM
Depends on what they do to each other hahahaha!
Scouse
01-06-2008, 11:51 PM
how come its heats last episode? whats going to happen to the new & up coming superstars?
CJW93
02-06-2008, 02:58 AM
Randy Orton broke his left collar bone.
Undertaker lost and "retired"
'Taker will go to Raw now.
Ons was a lame ppv. The Hardy match had a crazy ending and a few insane spots, Cena v Jbl was pretty crappy same old same old (guess who won), Hbk v Batista was crappy tbh with Jericho popping out of knowere towards the end trying to give Hbk words of advice. Triple H v Randy Ortoin was demi decent but wasn't as good as I expected.
Edge and Undertsaker started off at a real slow pace, but the ending was worth it
Overall
One Night Stand 2.5/5
Anyways must go to bed school at 8am :S
Misawa
02-06-2008, 04:15 AM
The Undertaker will not be included in the upcoming draft.
The Hardy Swanton was pretty lame considering they had the camera stay back until the crash mat was hidden away.
mangle
02-06-2008, 08:21 AM
Taker apprently can't come back :|
I'm sure there will be some stipulation that means he will, they wouldn't blow him off like that. And anyway, there is talk of him taking a little time off backstage so maybe he will be off for a week or so.
Sharpsterz
02-06-2008, 02:46 PM
if undertaker doesnt come back then smackdown will lose a lot of viewers
mangle
02-06-2008, 04:27 PM
Alot?!
You mean all 4 of them!
Haha, but Batista is taking time off, as is Taker. Who does that leave to challenge Edge!?
Taker apprently can't come back :|
I'm sure there will be some stipulation that means he will, they wouldn't blow him off like that. And anyway, there is talk of him taking a little time off backstage so maybe he will be off for a week or so.
A week or so lol, more or less a few months...
Scouse
02-06-2008, 05:01 PM
theres a poll on wwe.com asking who should be the next to challenge for the world heavyweight championship out of
mark henry
batista
finlay
festus
mvp
mvp is winning by quite alot
PaulMacC
02-06-2008, 05:07 PM
Yeah, I was really really gutted to see 'Taker go. But it's no secret he's wanted a bit of time off for a while now. I think he'll be drafted to RAW soon enough. He's feuded with practically everyone on Smackdown!, so it makes sence to send him to RAW to fued with HHH, HBK, Regal, Cena, Jericho, ect.
...I thought WWE were planning an Umaga-Undertaker feud, but that won't happen if Umaga's drafted to SD!
CJW93
02-06-2008, 07:12 PM
It has to be Montel Vontanoius Porter
This guy is amazing realy deserves a major push
Misawa
02-06-2008, 08:22 PM
Edge will feud with Batista.
Scouse
02-06-2008, 09:47 PM
http://www.wwe.com/shows/onenightstand/photos/bigshow/
^ big shows eye
O_O
PaulMacC
02-06-2008, 09:50 PM
Breaking Update: Randy Orton Taken To Hospital 06/01/2008 by Ryan Clark
During his match with Triple H at tonight's One Night Stand pay-per-view, Randy Orton took a bad fall after being thrown over the top rope and apparently broke his collarbone in the process. During the broadcast you could hear Orton tell the referee about his injury. The announcers started selling the injury on the broadcast. The match was scheduled to go a bit longer, but they soon went to the finish. Orton remained out on the floor clutching his shoulder while the referee made the ten count. As soon as the match was over, medics quickly stormed ringside to check on Orton. After the match, Orton was immediately taken into a room backstage to be examined. He was then sent to a local hospital to check out the severity of the injury.
mangle
03-06-2008, 02:07 PM
Cena vs Jeff Hardy was pretty damn good imo.
Wonder who Jeff will feud with though, Umaga seems to be going after Kennedy.
Jericho
03-06-2008, 02:11 PM
yay, taker is out.
comes back as ABA.
mangle
03-06-2008, 05:46 PM
Depends if Boretista is taking time off.
Tbh though, 2007 is getting its rivalries back.
Misawa
03-06-2008, 06:13 PM
The American BA character was horrible. The Undertaker should always be his original character. He is being advertised for The Great American Bash PPV.
Batista is going to be feuding with Edge over the World Heavyweight Championship.
Kennedy is feuding with Burchill and Nikita. Umaga was just jobbing as usual for mid-carders on Monday.
mangle
03-06-2008, 08:22 PM
Vince wants an african american, all american clean wrestler, much like Lashley apprently.
Donno what to make of it tbh
thats the third time wwe has tried to break a ladder in the same position..
but the tlc match was good though
majesticdragon
04-06-2008, 02:25 PM
I see cody and holly losing their belts to that ted dibiasse's kid and someone like dh smith then cody turning on holly 3rd generation faction wooo
mangle
04-06-2008, 04:54 PM
Show has quite a serious injury, seeing a specialist soon.
I want Cody to turn heel, would be pretty good as he's a strong athletic guy.
Brody
04-06-2008, 07:59 PM
someone is abit angry loll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsRHiMg1PGU&feature=related
Misawa
04-06-2008, 08:02 PM
Hmm, someone needs to understand that he's gone for about 2 months... The Undertaker has a long-term contract.
Cody Rhodes will turn heel and join forces with Dibiase Jr.
CJW93
04-06-2008, 09:01 PM
Cody and Shelton Benjiman team up?
someone is abit angry loll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsRHiMg1PGU&feature=related
What a ******.
mangle
05-06-2008, 09:28 AM
What an utter moron, Vickie doesn't even have the power to do that LOL
If he's that old and he believes WWE is real, he has major issues.
Misawa
05-06-2008, 12:43 PM
Just be glad that someone is on the kayfabe train rather than reading the dirt sheets.
majesticdragon
05-06-2008, 01:57 PM
I am surprised how quick edge has become a real main eventer
he won his firt title in 05 I think the year they brought back ecw and isn't this his 5th title run kurt angle only had 7 and Takers had lonly 6 or 7 good move on the part of wwe tbh he's really good.
I Agree shelton and cody would be very good team.
they're are talks of a 3rd generation faction but with carlito and cm punk I don't get the point in cm punk being their tbh carlito's a good mouth piece though.
and in the drafts qomens title maybe moving to sd or ecw I think thts why natalia is getting a shot at night of champions thoughts?
Misawa
05-06-2008, 02:10 PM
SmackDown! is getting it's own Women's Championship, seperate from RAW's Diva title.
CM Punk has no place in a faction made up of second and third generation Superstars because he is neither. He should also remain face.
It is Edge's fifth run with a World Championship. He first won the WWE Title at New Year's Revolution 2005 when he cashed in his Money in the Bank priviledge after John Cena won the Elimination Chamber. He won his second championship when Rob Van Dam was suspended in a Triple Threat match. Erm, cashed in Money in the Bank again, taking it from Mr. Kennedy and defeating The Undertaker when he had to leave thru injury to win the World Heavyweight Championship. Returned from injury himself to win the championship again, this time from Batista, and now again as of One Night Stand last Sunday.
He's in a lucky spot. Edge, The Undertaker and Batista are the only three who could be champion on SmackDown!, so there wasn't much variation meaning for needed title changes. Edge is also lucky on the front that he won the championship from The Undertaker when he needed to leave for surgery, and when Rob Van Dam was suspended, so he had to drop the ECW and WWE Titles.
mangle
05-06-2008, 04:12 PM
Hopefully the draft should bring someone who can challenge into SD. It needs a boost of life.
Scouse
05-06-2008, 07:49 PM
WWE.com has learned that former Intercontinental and European Champion D-Lo Brown has signed a Superstar contract with WWE.
good to see him back :)
majesticdragon
06-06-2008, 04:04 PM
SmackDown! is getting it's own Women's Championship, seperate from RAW's Diva title.
CM Punk has no place in a faction made up of second and third generation Superstars because he is neither. He should also remain face.
It is Edge's fifth run with a World Championship. He first won the WWE Title at New Year's Revolution 2005 when he cashed in his Money in the Bank priviledge after John Cena won the Elimination Chamber. He won his second championship when Rob Van Dam was suspended in a Triple Threat match. Erm, cashed in Money in the Bank again, taking it from Mr. Kennedy and defeating The Undertaker when he had to leave thru injury to win the World Heavyweight Championship. Returned from injury himself to win the championship again, this time from Batista, and now again as of One Night Stand last Sunday.
He's in a lucky spot. Edge, The Undertaker and Batista are the only three who could be champion on SmackDown!, so there wasn't much variation meaning for needed title changes. Edge is also lucky on the front that he won the championship from The Undertaker when he needed to leave for surgery, and when Rob Van Dam was suspended, so he had to drop the ECW and WWE Titles.
exactlly so a draft is even more necessary now these matches are getting bored and they haven't decided on the womens title yet as for cm punk I also thinks its pointless and I suppose you could consider rey a legitimate contender for the title I can see mark henry getting an extrmley short run before he leaves wwe too which he deserves tbh he and umaga are really athletic for their size and should be more than glorified jobbers :S
mangle
06-06-2008, 04:52 PM
Ship Umaga to SD asap imo. They need something to fill, apprently he was considering going face so it'd be perfect for him vs edge.
LOL@RAW
that fan made me laugh, highlight of the show :rolleyes:
majesticdragon
07-06-2008, 12:54 AM
Lol at all the fans jumping over atm tbh their was one on sd tht got edited out bam neeley nailed him *****!
any money michelle mcmuffin wins the diva title against natalya oh how she annoys me
Scouse
07-06-2008, 01:30 AM
Lol at all the fans jumping over atm tbh their was one on sd tht got edited out bam neeley nailed him *****!
any money michelle mcmuffin wins the diva title against natalya oh how she annoys me
it happend on sd too? is there a vid? :D rep+ if you can find it.
mangle
07-06-2008, 10:59 AM
I watched SD for the first time in AGES.
Michael Cole and Foley are a dead good comentry team, they made half the matches decent.
CJW93
07-06-2008, 08:32 PM
I only watch Raw now, Smackdown was good when they had Undertaker, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Matt Hardy, Cena, Booker T ect
mangle
08-06-2008, 11:25 AM
I only watch Raw now, Smackdown was good when they had Undertaker, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Matt Hardy, Cena, Booker T ect
They still have Hardy, Taker and Mysterio.
Just two are out of action whilst Matt Hardy doesn't really have a storyline atm.
Scouse
08-06-2008, 05:48 PM
hope santino doesnt get drafted to sd, he doesnt half make me laugh :D
mangle
08-06-2008, 07:33 PM
I've changed my opinion on Santino, he's a lot funnier than I first thought.
Rumour - House shows advertising M Hardy vs Carlito for US title.
Carlito to SD?
majesticdragon
09-06-2008, 10:35 AM
oo Carlito back to SD is a good idea and move MVP to raw!
Is it matt vs chavo for US at night of champs?
mangle
09-06-2008, 11:09 AM
SD Spoilers
MVP’s VIP Lounge segment was taped prior to the official start of SmackDown. Tonight’s guest is Rey Mysterio. Rey gives the crowd an update on his condition and rehab. He will be back real soon. MVP makes a few racial remarks geared towards Mysterio and the majority of the crowd. The segment ends with no physical encounter.
SmackDown opening credits.
Before the cameras resumed rolling, Hawkins and Ryder wheel Vickie Guerrero to the Ring. We are going to have a contract signing. SmackDown begins and the roof explodes. The amount of heat directed toward Vickie was impressive. I was sitting in the 4th row and I could not really hear Vickie’s promo. Vickie calls out Batista. She tells him that Edge already signed the contract. She tells Batista that it is a standard contract but there were 2 amendments. 1st amendment, Batista has to win another match before he can face Edge at Night of Champions. His next opponent will be The Great Khali. Batista leaves the ring. Vickie calls up to Batista and tells him the 2nd amendment is, he must defeat The Great Khali tonight or he will suffer the same fate as The Undertaker, he will be banned from WWE.
WWE Tag Team Champion John Morrison w/ The Miz def. Finlay w/ Hornswoggle. One on one match where Morrison rolls up Finlay to get the win.
Mark Henry cuts a promo on The Big Show.
Henry shows the world what his face looks like now, and a picture of what he will do to the Big Show’s face. (Instead of 1 black eye Show will have 2 black eyes.)
Another promo, Edge and Vickie. Edge talks about Night of Champions and makes references to the demise of The Undertaker. CM Punk walks in. He congratulates the couple. He then brings up Money in the Bank. The vignette ends with Punk saying he may just cash in MITB during Edge’s wedding.
Mark Henry def. Tommy Dreamer.
Henry hits his World’s Strongest Slam for the pin after a short match.
Now we go backstage to Edge and Vickie again who are now talking to a wedding planner. MVP interrupts the two. MVP wants to renegotiate his contract with Vickie. Vickie is reluctant to do so, but she said if MVP did them a favor she would look into it. Vickie and Edge asks MVP to take care of CM Punk.
Cherry def. Maryse.
With what appeared at first to be a single arm DDT but it might have been a double arm. It was sloppy either way.
MVP def. CM Punk via DQ.
Crowd was very dead for this match. This was easily the longest match of the night. MVP gets control of Punk’s MITB briefcase. While MVP was in the corner Punk hits the running knee driving the briefcase into MVP?s skull. Punk celebrates to the crowd and that is when the referee turns around, sees the briefcase, and DQ?s Punk. Chavo Guerrero and Bam Neely come out to the ring. Chavo puts over Edge’s and Vickie’s wedding and then introduces the United States Champ, saying that he will beat him at Night of Champions.
WWE United States Champion Matt Hardy def. Chuck Palumbo.
Matt Hardy used his Twist of Fate for the victory. Chavo then announces the winner of the match and the "loser at Night of Champions", Matt Hardy.
Jesse and Festus def. Deuce and Domino.
Festus had one of the biggest pops of the night during the match. Festus picks up the victory. After the match, Deuce and Domino get into it with each other and a brawl takes place between the two of them. Is this the end of the team of Deuce and Domino?
The Great Khali vs. Batista is next!
Batista def. The Great Khali.
Edge and Vickie watch the match from the entryway. Batista hits a spear on Khali. Khali STILL sucks!
Dark Main Event
Batista def. World Heavyweight Champion Edge and The Great Khali, in a 2-1 Handicap Match. Batista hits the Batista Bomb on Edge for the victory. Batista celebrates in the ring and with the crowd.
Yeah it is Matt v Chavo. Out of the blue somewhat. And what's the deal with Punk?
Misawa
09-06-2008, 03:52 PM
Punk will be the first to unsuccessfully cash in the Money in the Bank priviledge.
There are more spoilers for SmackDown! as two shows have been taped for the next two Fridays.
CJW93
09-06-2008, 05:03 PM
Undertaker confirmed for the WWE's yout of Australia, There will be a stpry line with Vice Guerrero saying that it's so he can bid fairwell.
When he returns he will continue his feud with Edge.
Misawa
10-06-2008, 03:07 AM
Just been watching RAW live - Vince got rickrolled live on TV when calling someone!
Heart Break Kid
10-06-2008, 05:34 AM
shame about undertaker innit but he is getting old...
nice to see that they let him keep his undefeated reign on wrestlemania
mangle
10-06-2008, 10:20 AM
Just been watching RAW live - Vince got rickrolled live on TV when calling someone!
Haha, did he give all his cash away last night?
shame about undertaker innit but he is getting old...
nice to see that they let him keep his undefeated reign on wrestlemania
You do realise he's coming back? This is just a storyline, they wouldn't let him bow out in such fashion.
Scouse
10-06-2008, 10:53 AM
Just been watching RAW live - Vince got rickrolled live on TV when calling someone!
lol that was hilarious :D sly on the woman who won $2 :P
CJW93
10-06-2008, 05:19 PM
Dam you I would of stayed up for Raw but had moc gcse's dam the exam board
mangle
11-06-2008, 09:29 AM
The woman hwo won 2 dollars gets a free trip to NYC aswell.
Scouse
11-06-2008, 03:11 PM
The woman hwo won 2 dollars gets a free trip to NYC aswell.
to spend her $2? :P
mangle
11-06-2008, 03:13 PM
Still a free trip haha!
Did anyone catch that Kofi match? That was alright actually!
majesticdragon
11-06-2008, 06:01 PM
Kofi is really good I think people should get behind him more!
mangle
11-06-2008, 06:04 PM
That reversal Evan Bourne did was amazing, those two are great athletes.
Misawa
11-06-2008, 08:01 PM
I can't stop thinking that since I watch RAW on USA Network, they just got the idea to name Matt Sydal Ethan Bourne because The Bourne Conspiracy video game is advertised every commercial break, which is like every 5 minutes in the States.
CJW93
11-06-2008, 09:58 PM
You guys watch Ecw?
Thats a crappy show, they hjave so great talent over there but still end up with the crappy show.
You guys watch Ecw?
Thats a crappy show, they hjave so great talent over there but still end up with the crappy show.
yea its awful now, not 'extreme' anymore..
mangle
12-06-2008, 08:06 AM
I browse over which matches look interesting haha, I agree most of it does suck but some of the matches are great. They have some real talent, they just underuse it way to much.
I browse over which matches look interesting haha, I agree most of it does suck but some of the matches are great. They have some real talent, they just underuse it way to much.
yea they do have some good talent but it just doesn't feel like ecw anymore
majesticdragon
12-06-2008, 11:16 AM
I think ECW is a great band particularly for development the miz morisson elijah burke shelton benjamin koffi kingston all big stars for the future and we need to bear in mind the whole point in ecw is to develop their talent and still get fan support it's for trying out new things not as much for great matches. BTW does anyone think Shelton is under used and he should use some more of his athletic moves again both he and Carlito have toned it down a lot over the last year maybe it's because they're heels I dunno.
Blinger1
12-06-2008, 11:22 AM
yea its awful now, not 'extreme' anymore..
QFTW.
i love how ECW used to be extreme, chairs, tables, barbedwire.. :O!
Sharpsterz
12-06-2008, 02:54 PM
QFTW.
i love how ECW used to be extreme, chairs, tables, barbedwire.. :O!
and cheese grater's lmao
mangle
13-06-2008, 11:22 AM
There gets a point where too extreme is just pure sickening imo. But hell im up for a good chair shot though!
Carlito is expected to meet and ask to quit as he is underused, he almost walked out when he heard he had to lose to Cryme Tyme on Raw last week.
And in response to MD yes I feel Sheldon is underused, he is an incredible athlete whom is never used.
Misawa
13-06-2008, 11:43 PM
Classic ECW is extremely weak in compared to many promotions, mostly independent of the past and present, like FMW, Big Japan Pro Wrestling, Combat Zone Wrestling and the IWA affiliates.
CJW93
15-06-2008, 04:19 PM
I perfer Tna to ECW, and thats saying something
Misawa
15-06-2008, 04:30 PM
TNA died in 2006; it's about the same as the reformed ECW.
mangle
16-06-2008, 07:37 AM
TNA Relies on gimmicks WAY too much. Curry man and whatnot are highly annoying.
Street fight on Raw tonight!
CJW93
16-06-2008, 03:45 PM
The TV Guide preview for the 6/23 Draft edition of RAW also lists another million dollar giveaway, but it may not happen as there is a lot of speculation that tomorrow's giveaway may be the final one. I expect it to go one more week after tomorrow because the Draft is already pretty much confirmed to draw a decent rating.
Speaking of the draft (and this is a MAJOR spoiler that I haven't yet touched on), the word is John Cena is definitely headed to WWE SmackDown!
Scouse
16-06-2008, 03:51 PM
:| john cena best not go to smackdown hes my fave wrestler on raw and i never watch smackdown.
Misawa
16-06-2008, 04:15 PM
TNA Relies on gimmicks WAY too much. Curry man and whatnot are highly annoying.
Street fight on Raw tonight!
Curry Man is Christopher Daniels' gimmick when he competes in Japan. I have no idea why they decided to switch, and I'm sure there will be some kind of rediculous hair vs. mask or mask vs. mask match and Daniels' will be exposed as Curry Man in what Don West will call "the most unbelievable thing" he's ever seen. Yes, I can picture it now, soon Jim Cornett will announce that an Ultimate King of the Doomsday Gauntlet Chamber of Full Metal Terrordome match will be included at the next pay-per-view, Curry Man vs. Blue Blazer's corpse. :rolleyes:
Bouncing
16-06-2008, 04:43 PM
Hmm I reckon they should put all the ok people in smack down i only watch smackdown for like big show batista great khali and suppose thats it...so if all of them got moved to raw and people like hhh john cena hbk Y2J and people like that stayed would just watch raw
mangle
16-06-2008, 05:14 PM
SD Spoilers
WWE taped June 20th's edition of SmackDown in San Jose, California. Special thanks to WNW Reader Beau Jansson for calling in the following results. Remember if you are attending a WWE event in the near future and would be interested in assisting us with live updates, please email me.
Smackdown! Results (Airing Next Week 6/20)
While the ring crew is getting ring ropes and ring aprons changed, a 10-15 min video about the WWE is played that shows everything from WWE Films, to Superstar TV appearances to WrestleManias.
Mick Foley's music hits and Mick with Michael Cole make their way to the ring.
Opening credits and Pyros go off and Smackdown! starts with MVP's VIP Lounge.
MVP starts to talk about how he is better than La Familia and how he dosent feel he is getting the treatment he deserves on Smackdown! Vickie Guerrero comes out with Hawkins and Ryder to the most heat I have ever seen anyone get live! The fans would not stop booing this women and she had to stop many times because of it! I really couldn't hear all that she had to say but she told MVP he would be facing Kane tonight 1 on 1!
Matt Hardy is shown coming to the ring and his match is Next!
Matt Hardy b. Bam Neely
During match referee Charles Robinson sends Chavo Guerrero to the back and Matt is able to get the win!
After commercial Chavo, Bam and Edge are shown backstage and Edge asks Chavo to face Batista tonight because it would help out. Edge says he'll take care of Matt Hardy next week!
Michelle McCool b. Layla El via submission
Match not too exciting crowd was pretty dead through this one! Natalya comes out on the stage half way through the match and watches. Obviously McCool and Natalya are on a road to clash soon!
Back from commercial and Charles Robinson is in Vickie's dressing room. Vickie tells Charles this is the 3rd time he has messed with La Familia. She tells him he will be in a match tonight!
Vladimir Kozlov b. Jamie Noble
After match Jamie looks to be really hurt and medical comes to the ring when at commercial break. Jamie finally gets up after 5 minutes and is helped to the back by trainers.
Jesse & Festus b. Deuce & Domino
A few minutes into the match Deuce and Domino start fighting and one beats up the other. WWE has such a lack of tag teams so I don't know why they would start a split to another tag team! I don't understand?
Finley b. The Miz
After match Finley and Hornswoggle really interact with the fans dancing and shaking hands with those in the first row! Really cool to see wrestlers going above and beyond in front of the live crowd!
Kane b. MVP
After match Mark Henry comes to the ring and beats up Kane!
The Great Kahli b. Referee Charles Robinson
Robinson starts to run away from the ring when Hawkins and Ryder meet him on the ramp. They ruffed him up and sent him back into the ring where Kahli squashed Robinson! After match trainers and EMT's took him away on stretcher!
Batista comes to the ring and awaits Chavo. Vickie comes out to more heat and says Charles Robinson was going to be the referee for this match but now that wasent going to happen. She names Edge the special guest referee and tells Batista I believe if he loses the match he will not face Edge for the World Heavyweight Championship! The crowd was so loud I think those were the stipulations!
Chavo Guerrero b. Batista
This was a screw job right from the beginning. Edge was counting fast for Chavo the entire match and as soon as Batista went outside of the ring Edge gave Batista the fastest 10 count I have ever seen! I am not sure when they ended the show on tv but Batista began to get beat up by La Familia when Matt Hardy came to the ring and help ward off predators. They battled for a few minutes when Mick Foley got up and began to beat on either Hawkins or Ryder and took out Mr. Socko and sunk in the mandible claw to the back with Hawkins or Ryder with him!
The crowd was starting FOLEY chants all night and this got a HUGE reaction from the crowd! Batista and Matt Hardy stayed with the crowd for at least 10-15 minutes after the show ended and finally made their way to the back. Justin Roberts thanked us for coming out and that was the show!
Biggest Pops
1. Batista
2. Matt Hardy
3. Batista, Matt Hardy, Foley beat down on La Familia
4. Finley & Hornswoggle
Most Heat
1. Vickie Guerrero (Unbelievable)
2. Edge
3. Vladimir Kozlov
4. Mark Henry
All in all a good show! When we went to see the wrestlers leave Vickie driving away was getting booed and yelled at in the street! It looked like her daughters were in the car too. To me the heat she is getting is unreal! I even found myself yelling and booing this women! Vince is on to something! Not too sure why the WWE is getting rid of another tag team when there are so few already? Well time will tell or something.
WTH Are they doing with tag teams!? :|
And Vickie's still getting so much heat man.
Scouse
17-06-2008, 02:58 PM
i thought lance cade coming out last night at the end was abit random :S & some of the people who win the money dont even sound botherd, "you have just won 175 grand!" "oh ok, thanks. cya" :| if it was me i'd be made up just to talk to vince, never mind winning money.
mangle
17-06-2008, 05:52 PM
Cade is getting a push aprently.
WWE Championship Match
Triple H (c) vs. John Cena
World Heavyweight Championship Match
Edge (c) vs Batista
ECW Championship Match
Kane (c) vs. Big Show
WWE World Tag Team Championship Match
Cody Rhodes & Hardcore Holly (c) vs. Ted DiBiase & Mystery Partner
WWE Tag Team Championship Match
John Morrison & The Miz (c) vs. Finlay & Hornswoggle
United States Championship Match
Matt Hardy (c) vs. Chavo Guerrero
WWE Women's Championship Match
Mickie James (c) vs. Katie Lea Burchill
Finlay and Swoggle?
Seriously?
CJW93
17-06-2008, 08:56 PM
Maria, Melinai n the Bikini blow out last night Omg!!
:8
Misawa
17-06-2008, 09:06 PM
Lance Cade is useless, and so is Trevor Murdoch, I have no idea how he even got a job. They better not be pushing Cade to a main event level or anything of the like, he doesn't even have a gimmick, he's completely boring. I can sense Cade and Jericho vs. Triple H and Cena as next week's main event, which would be fantastic -Lance, try adding Michaels as Jericho's partner and making it far more interesting as both teams wouldn't be able to get along.
Misawa
17-06-2008, 09:13 PM
WWE Championship Match
Triple H (c) vs. John Cena
I am not particularly interested in this as a singles match. Where the hell is Jeff Hardy on the card? Surely they will put him in the mix and make it a Triple Threat match next week. He's not even on the card and he's one of the most over guys in the entire WWE. He's defeated the WWE Champion whereas John Cena only defeated Hardy for contendership, so he has just as much right as Cena to get an oppurtunity at the title. Plus, he vaulted over the ropes on them both, and it's seemingly ignored from a storyline point-of-view last night.
World Heavyweight Championship Match
Edge (c) vs Batista
Well, I can't argue with them for making this match, despite the feud has been done countless times before, with The Undertaker taking a sebbatical, there is really no one else who could have a championship feud with Edge.
ECW Championship Match
Kane (c) vs. Big Show
Hopefully the lighter and more agile Big Show will make for a much more interesting and complete match than their feud in May of 2006 or whenever it was. Show's match with The Great Khali was surprisingly better than expected.
WWE World Tag Team Championship Match
Cody Rhodes & Hardcore Holly (c) vs. Ted DiBiase & Mystery Partner
Obviously Ted's partner is Harry Smith and Cody will turn on Holly.
WWE Tag Team Championship Match
John Morrison & The Miz (c) vs. Finlay & Hornswoggle
Who cares? Morrison needs to be drafted to RAW and get involved in the Intercontinental title frame - he's a phenomenal singles star, and The Miz is useless.
United States Championship Match
Matt Hardy (c) vs. Chavo Guerrero
Absolutely no build - a pretty much pointless match just to live up to the event's name. Chavo just said he was going to face Hardy for the title at Night of Champions and seemingly got it? Hmm. Well, I'll go with Chavo for some reason; it really wouldn't surprise me if they killed Hardy's more than well-deserved push already.
WWE Women's Championship Match
Mickie James (c) vs. Katie Lea Burchill
Mickie is a genuinely good women's athlete rather than eye-candy, and Miss. German-born Katie is also spectacular in the ring from what I saw of her live in the British indies when she used to compete as Nikita.
Scouse
17-06-2008, 10:21 PM
whos harry smith?
doesnt matter, its DH Smith, isnt it?
Misawa
18-06-2008, 01:53 AM
Yes, Davey-Boy's son.
Monitor
18-06-2008, 10:23 AM
I hope John Cena beats HHH because he's pretty much one of my favourite entertainers.. I still can't understand why everyone hates him?
mangle
18-06-2008, 11:56 AM
Hornswoggle annoys me, he's holding Finlay back with this whole father son thing.
It's lame.
Jericho
18-06-2008, 12:00 PM
^^ What I said, finally someone agrees!
Its unbelievable.. finlay has had a shizzle load of experiance, he should be up there with the likes of Flair, Rhodes and so on. yet he has to be a midgets manager :l
mangle
18-06-2008, 06:30 PM
Evan Bourne to Raw, and fast damnit
Use it in the draft, he's WICKED!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
:)
mangle
20-06-2008, 10:36 AM
Soz for double post but spoilers on undertakers return.
-- Undertaker will return to television by crashing the wedding between Edge & Vickie Guerrero scheduled for a SmackDown taping in mid-July. He will then be plugged right back into his program with Edge and feud with him for at least the rest of the summer. If they don't have a match at The Great American Bash, then definitely at SummerSlam, although it looks like the wedding is happening before GAB, so they could hotshot it for that show too. There was a feeling that his feud with Edge needed to be put on the shelf for a little while, although he did have some nagging injuries to tend to. The feeling was that it was going to run out of steam without a major twist, hence the retirement storyline.
Monitor
20-06-2008, 04:34 PM
Soz for double post but spoilers on undertakers return.
-- Undertaker will return to television by crashing the wedding between Edge & Vickie Guerrero scheduled for a SmackDown taping in mid-July. He will then be plugged right back into his program with Edge and feud with him for at least the rest of the summer. If they don't have a match at The Great American Bash, then definitely at SummerSlam, although it looks like the wedding is happening before GAB, so they could hotshot it for that show too. There was a feeling that his feud with Edge needed to be put on the shelf for a little while, although he did have some nagging injuries to tend to. The feeling was that it was going to run out of steam without a major twist, hence the retirement storyline.
Damn.. I wish I never clicked on the spoiler now :(
mangle
20-06-2008, 04:49 PM
Meh, you can predict these things anyway.
CJW93
22-06-2008, 11:29 AM
Umaga goes to Sd! to feud with Undertaker after Summerslam for the world heavyweight chmapionship, Edge and Cena will carry on their feud from 2006/2007
Your all *Removed* kids, who ruined the golden days of WWF Attitude! you go around in your john cena tops going " IM A MARINE, LIKE JOHN CENA " he has a limit of 4 moves and his jokes are gay I liked JOHN CENA as a rapper, but now hes like...
IVE NEVER BACKED DOWN FROM A FIGHT IN MY LIFE! seriously you people think hes good sadly some of you wont remember the good days of WWF Attitude! you probably didnt even know who Chris Jericho was when he came back.
U cheer for hornswoggle, Cena cause your all little kids. YOU DESTROYED WWF I mean WWE cant even say *Removed* OR *Removed* Anymore because the kids arent allowed to hear that word. U GUYS SUCk!
Edited by Nick- (Forum Administrator): Do not avoid the Forum filter.
Your all *Removed* kids, who ruined the golden days of WWF Attitude! you go around in your john cena tops going " IM A MARINE, LIKE JOHN CENA " he has a limit of 4 moves and his jokes are gay I liked JOHN CENA as a rapper, but now hes like...
IVE NEVER BACKED DOWN FROM A FIGHT IN MY LIFE! seriously you people think hes good sadly some of you wont remember the good days of WWF Attitude! you probably didnt even know who Chris Jericho was when he came back.
U cheer for hornswoggle, Cena cause your all little kids. YOU DESTROYED WWF I mean WWE cant even say *Removed* OR *Removed* Anymore because the kids arent allowed to hear that word. U GUYS SUCk!
Dude, shut the hell up, everything you post about the WWE/F is the biggest pile of **** ever.
Like you no **, about WWF you are a little John Cena fan going
" Daddy, who is that man who just returned? "
Thats Chris Jericho.
Ohhhhh I dont know him.... anyways JOHN CENA! JOHN CENA!!!!!!
Pathetic, little John Cena lovers.
YOU DESTROY WWF
Like you no **, about WWF you are a little John Cena fan going
" Daddy, who is that man who just returned? "
Thats Chris Jericho.
Ohhhhh I dont know him.... anyways JOHN CENA! JOHN CENA!!!!!!
Pathetic, little John Cena lovers.
YOU DESTROY WWF
What the **** are you on about, I can guarantee most people in this thread know more about the old days of WWE/F than you do and i bet you're the one who is the John Cena lover.
Scouse
22-06-2008, 01:51 PM
Your all *Removed* kids, who ruined the golden days of WWF Attitude! you go around in your john cena tops going " IM A MARINE, LIKE JOHN CENA " he has a limit of 4 moves and his jokes are gay I liked JOHN CENA as a rapper, but now hes like...
IVE NEVER BACKED DOWN FROM A FIGHT IN MY LIFE! seriously you people think hes good sadly some of you wont remember the good days of WWF Attitude! you probably didnt even know who Chris Jericho was when he came back.
U cheer for hornswoggle, Cena cause your all little kids. YOU DESTROYED WWF I mean WWE cant even say *Removed* OR *Removed* Anymore because the kids arent allowed to hear that word. U GUYS SUCk!
im not a kid, and i actually stopped watching after the attitude era finsihed, i only started watching it again in january. and how the hell have we ruined it? your a fool tbh, you dont even know us so dont say stupid **** like this without anything to back you up, im sure people were saying bad things about hornswoggle acouple of pages back? so no idea were you got that from. and, i can actually remember jerichos debut on raw thanks.
Please go to www.neoseeker.com/forums/92 (http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/92) and you will see I am Dash The Stampede and see that everyone knows I am the WWF lover, and I hate John Cena. Go on it and see the forum of the WWF era.
Edit: Chris Jericho Came to WWF when The Rock was in the ring, the Millenium countdown was the best.
Please go to www.neoseeker.com/forums/92 (http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/92) and you will see I am Dash The Stampede and see that everyone knows I am the WWF lover, and I hate John Cena. Go on it and see the forum of the WWF era.
Edit: Chris Jericho Came to WWF when The Rock was in the ring, the Millenium countdown was the best.
I know about the WWF era, it came and it went, get over it?
You cant get over something, that you grew up watching I realise I grew up with The Rock ( But he had talent ) Kids grew up with JOHN CENA sadly :( he does not have talent.
He Sucks, the writers made a good heel, rapper into a REMOVED
Edited by jesus (Forum Super Modator): Please do not swear or be racist.
You cant get over something, that you grew up watching I realise I grew up with The Rock ( But he had talent ) Kids grew up with JOHN CENA sadly :( he does not have talent.
He Sucks, the writers made a good heel, rapper into a REMOVED
Err, yes you can get over it. It's a TV programme :l
Misawa
22-06-2008, 02:13 PM
You can put over that you liked the Attitude Era as much as you like, but you didn't grow up watching WWF from 1990 to 2008. I've seen the golden days of wrestling in the earl 1990s and I've let go of those superstars, hell, half the people I loved as a kid are dead. I've lived through it, I've let go and learned to appreciate the new talent that have come over the years. Don't try and disrespect fans of the current product just because they haven't watched it for long. Cena may not be the most technically gifted athlete, but he damn sure busts his backside for the company and is damn good on the mic. He deserves his spot. Please don't you even bother to tell me that "the best WWF" is the endless gimmick matches of the late '90s and steel chairs in every match. :rolleyes: If you're after that, hell, watch TNA since Russo returned.
The Attitude Era was NOT the best time that the WWF has ever had to offer. And I don't know you are targeting with your anti-John Cena remarks, but how does it feel to be talking to someone who has watched World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment for 17 years, watched WCW when it was actually on TV, tape-traded ECW with a guy I met over the internet when I was 7 as it wasn't on TV in the UK, been to WrestleMania, been to multiple house shows, been a Puroresu fan for about 10 years and have followed WWE every step of the way for nearly 2 decades? Yes, I am trying to outshine you because your comments are extremely annoying to me and everyone else here. I don't spit in the fact of modern day fans? That is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Times change, people are born, new fans are created. Don't abuse people because they are fans of John Cena...
Joshuae
22-06-2008, 02:29 PM
You cant get over something, that you grew up watching I realise I grew up with The Rock ( But he had talent ) Kids grew up with JOHN CENA sadly :( he does not have talent.
He Sucks, the writers made a good heel, rapper into a REMOVED
You're 12 years old and been watching since 1990? o_O How does that work?
Misawa
22-06-2008, 02:31 PM
If he's 12 he's probably just been watching WWF on YouTube and wanting to tell people he was around. :P
Joshuae
22-06-2008, 02:38 PM
If he's 12 he's probably just been watching WWF on YouTube and wanting to tell people he was around. :P
Lmao, yeah.
Btw, why aren't you on MSN? (Off-topic)
Misawa
22-06-2008, 02:39 PM
I don't actually know. Thanks.
I'm sure he could well be figuring that he proposed that Warrior, Sting, Flair and Hogan were part of the Attitude Era.
Tristan
22-06-2008, 02:44 PM
Your all *Removed* kids, who ruined the golden days of WWF Attitude! you go around in your john cena tops going " IM A MARINE, LIKE JOHN CENA " he has a limit of 4 moves and his jokes are gay I liked JOHN CENA as a rapper, but now hes like...
IVE NEVER BACKED DOWN FROM A FIGHT IN MY LIFE! seriously you people think hes good sadly some of you wont remember the good days of WWF Attitude! you probably didnt even know who Chris Jericho was when he came back.
U cheer for hornswoggle, Cena cause your all little kids. YOU DESTROYED WWF I mean WWE cant even say *Removed* OR *Removed* Anymore because the kids arent allowed to hear that word. U GUYS SUCk!
Like you no **, about WWF you are a little John Cena fan going
" Daddy, who is that man who just returned? "
Thats Chris Jericho.
Ohhhhh I dont know him.... anyways JOHN CENA! JOHN CENA!!!!!!
Pathetic, little John Cena lovers.
YOU DESTROY WWF
Please go to www.neoseeker.com/forums/92 (http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/92) and you will see I am Dash The Stampede and see that everyone knows I am the WWF lover, and I hate John Cena. Go on it and see the forum of the WWF era.
Edit: Chris Jericho Came to WWF when The Rock was in the ring, the Millenium countdown was the best.
You cant get over something, that you grew up watching I realise I grew up with The Rock ( But he had talent ) Kids grew up with JOHN CENA sadly :( he does not have talent.
He Sucks, the writers made a good heel, rapper into a REMOVED
Edited by jesus (Forum Super Modator): Please do not swear or be racist.
LOLLLLLL.
Shut up please you little idiotic kid.
You don't know jack about the WWF Attitude era and it has been proven so in this thread and the others. Get a life and grow up, you're the kid that has been growing up with John Cena, not anybody before hand because you're a silly little boy that wants to act hard over the internet and pretend that he's older than he is, and that he knows more than he and everyone else does.
Now shut up, keep to the filter because stupid little kids like you shouldn't be using such language.
Joshuae
22-06-2008, 02:47 PM
LOLLLLLL.
Shut up please you little idiotic kid.
You don't know jack about the WWF Attitude era and it has been proven so in this thread and the others. Get a life and grow up, you're the kid that has been growing up with John Cena, not anybody before hand because you're a silly little boy that wants to act hard over the internet and pretend that he's older than he is, and that he knows more than he and everyone else does.
Now shut up, keep to the filter because stupid little kids like you shouldn't be using such language.
:eusa_clap Anyone up for giving this man an Oscar?
Well said!
Misawa
22-06-2008, 02:51 PM
I second that.
I remember Chris Jericho's WWF debut like it was yesterday, whereas I'm sure you YouTubed it and saw it for the very first time last Tuesday...
I have genuinely been a lifelong fan of the WWF/E but I don't throw dirt in everybody's eyes and put down the "newer" fans, or even older fans, who happen to have a liking in Cena? I am not a huge Cena fan, but I respect him and he works a lot harder than people give him credit for, especially behind the scenes. I'm not going to stand here and just bury him.
Scouse
22-06-2008, 02:53 PM
:eusa_clap Anyone up for giving this man an Oscar?
Well said!
hes got my vote :P and so has misawa
Misawa
22-06-2008, 02:54 PM
Thank you.
Tristan
22-06-2008, 02:56 PM
pfff, I did nothing. Lol.
Misawa's the one that knows the stuff.
I just wanted to give him some hating. Lol.
Joshuae
22-06-2008, 03:00 PM
pfff, I did nothing. Lol.
Misawa's the one that knows the stuff.
I just wanted to give him some hating. Lol.
Still deserve an Oscar.
Misawa
22-06-2008, 03:01 PM
pfff, I did nothing. Lol.
Misawa's the one that knows the stuff.
I just wanted to give him some hating. Lol.
:D
Even if you "know nothing", you still obviously know more than him to have produced such a truthful comment. ;):eusa_clap
Jericho
22-06-2008, 03:12 PM
I hope this douche has the common knowledge not to come in here a piss off older fans.
He thinks is the only guy who watched Attitude Era. Bet you he doesn't know half the shows that where on then.
He would be surprised, most people here hate john cena. He is only like 12 aswell. Douche.
Joshuae
22-06-2008, 05:32 PM
I hope this douche has the common knowledge not to come in here a piss off older fans.
He thinks is the only guy who watched Attitude Era. Bet you he doesn't know half the shows that where on then.
He would be surprised, most people here hate john cena. He is only like 12 aswell. Douche.
Says you. :rolleyes:
"Attitude era was 1998 till 03."
CJW93
22-06-2008, 05:34 PM
I am totally against Cena tbh,
But he works a hell of alot harder than the other guys on the Raw brand.
And i've heard he's a decent person back stage, Ill give him credit for that
!d-generation-x
22-06-2008, 06:18 PM
Can I just say that it is scripted? The writers want John Cena to be a fan favourite so they are playing along to the storyline by cheering Cena. Maybe WWE was better back in the day when it was WWF but so what. It's entertainment. They do the job that they do to entertain the fans. I've been watching it for years and yes, it has become more predictable over the years, but it is still entertainment. The scriptwriters probably have the hardest job in the WWE they have to make sure that everything works out to a tight schedule, they have to make sure that the fans cheer and boo at the right time. Without the scriptwriters making people like John Cena and Triple H fan favourites there would be no WWE. So what if some people don't remember Chris Jericho's debut in 1999 does it matter? Maybe WWE was better back in the day, even I will admit that. SmackDown has become the boring brand now. It's more like a starter show now like ECW is. So personally, I think the person with the red writing saying that all fans now have let WWE down is wrong. He is one of them fans so surely if the fans have let WWE down then so has he! I think that the WWE is meant to be like it is now. Also, not everyone likes Hornswoggle. He is another character that is there to make the entertainment. I agree that Finlay should have a bigger role but not to be with the greats until he does something great. Anyway think about this. The new fans are not the ones who have made the WWE how it is because it is also the old fans and I would like to see one of you do the job that anyone in the WWE does because it would be a hard job sticking to your storyline every show for each and every 52 weeks in a year! Anyway I think I'm quite finished now.
CJW93
22-06-2008, 06:52 PM
Can I just say that it is scripted? The writers want John Cena to be a fan favourite so they are playing along to the storyline by cheering Cena. Maybe WWE was better back in the day when it was WWF but so what. It's entertainment. They do the job that they do to entertain the fans. I've been watching it for years and yes, it has become more predictable over the years, but it is still entertainment. The scriptwriters probably have the hardest job in the WWE they have to make sure that everything works out to a tight schedule, they have to make sure that the fans cheer and boo at the right time. Without the scriptwriters making people like John Cena and Triple H fan favourites there would be no WWE. So what if some people don't remember Chris Jericho's debut in 1999 does it matter? Maybe WWE was better back in the day, even I will admit that. SmackDown has become the boring brand now. It's more like a starter show now like ECW is. So personally, I think the person with the red writing saying that all fans now have let WWE down is wrong. He is one of them fans so surely if the fans have let WWE down then so has he! I think that the WWE is meant to be like it is now. Also, not everyone likes Hornswoggle. He is another character that is there to make the entertainment. I agree that Finlay should have a bigger role but not to be with the greats until he does something great. Anyway think about this. The new fans are not the ones who have made the WWE how it is because it is also the old fans and I would like to see one of you do the job that anyone in the WWE does because it would be a hard job sticking to your storyline every show for each and every 52 weeks in a year! Anyway I think I'm quite finished now.
You wrote to much i cbb but I agree with you
Misawa
22-06-2008, 07:01 PM
The WWE's screenwriters are a section of the creative team, they don't come up with absolutely everything.
Your all *Removed* kids, who ruined the golden days of WWF Attitude! you go around in your john cena tops going " IM A MARINE, LIKE JOHN CENA " he has a limit of 4 moves and his jokes are gay I liked JOHN CENA as a rapper, but now hes like...
IVE NEVER BACKED DOWN FROM A FIGHT IN MY LIFE! seriously you people think hes good sadly some of you wont remember the good days of WWF Attitude! you probably didnt even know who Chris Jericho was when he came back.
U cheer for hornswoggle, Cena cause your all little kids. YOU DESTROYED WWF I mean WWE cant even say *Removed* OR *Removed* Anymore because the kids arent allowed to hear that word. U GUYS SUCk!
Edited by Nick- (Forum Administrator): Do not avoid the Forum filter.
Like you no **, about WWF you are a little John Cena fan going
" Daddy, who is that man who just returned? "
Thats Chris Jericho.
Ohhhhh I dont know him.... anyways JOHN CENA! JOHN CENA!!!!!!
Pathetic, little John Cena lovers.
YOU DESTROY WWF
You cant get over something, that you grew up watching I realise I grew up with The Rock ( But he had talent ) Kids grew up with JOHN CENA sadly :( he does not have talent.
He Sucks, the writers made a good heel, rapper into a REMOVED
Edited by jesus (Forum Super Modator): Please do not swear or be racist.
Go rest your fingers, please. :rolleyes:
You can put over that you liked the Attitude Era as much as you like, but you didn't grow up watching WWF from 1990 to 2008. I've seen the golden days of wrestling in the earl 1990s and I've let go of those superstars, hell, half the people I loved as a kid are dead. I've lived through it, I've let go and learned to appreciate the new talent that have come over the years. Don't try and disrespect fans of the current product just because they haven't watched it for long. Cena may not be the most technically gifted athlete, but he damn sure busts his backside for the company and is damn good on the mic. He deserves his spot. Please don't you even bother to tell me that "the best WWF" is the endless gimmick matches of the late '90s and steel chairs in every match. :rolleyes: If you're after that, hell, watch TNA since Russo returned.
The Attitude Era was NOT the best time that the WWF has ever had to offer. And I don't know you are targeting with your anti-John Cena remarks, but how does it feel to be talking to someone who has watched World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment for 17 years, watched WCW when it was actually on TV, tape-traded ECW with a guy I met over the internet when I was 7 as it wasn't on TV in the UK, been to WrestleMania, been to multiple house shows, been a Puroresu fan for about 10 years and have followed WWE every step of the way for nearly 2 decades? Yes, I am trying to outshine you because your comments are extremely annoying to me and everyone else here. I don't spit in the fact of modern day fans? That is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Times change, people are born, new fans are created. Don't abuse people because they are fans of John Cena...
Well put :)
LOLLLLLL.
Shut up please you little idiotic kid.
You don't know jack about the WWF Attitude era and it has been proven so in this thread and the others. Get a life and grow up, you're the kid that has been growing up with John Cena, not anybody before hand because you're a silly little boy that wants to act hard over the internet and pretend that he's older than he is, and that he knows more than he and everyone else does.
Now shut up, keep to the filter because stupid little kids like you shouldn't be using such language.
Well put, again. :)
I've been watching wrestling since I was 2 years old (so about 15 years..).
I watched it up until a certain point like.. a year or two ago and then stopped because I just generally lost interest but I still watch it every now and then to see what's going on. Apparently when I was 2 and a little after I would be GLUED to the TV when watching wrestling :P and my mom used to be a wrestler for All-Star Wrestling which was a little local thing whatever with some of the producers+talent moving onto the WWF/WWE.
Joshuae
22-06-2008, 07:32 PM
Go rest your fingers, please. :rolleyes:
Well put :)
Well put, again. :)
I've been watching wrestling since I was 2 years old (so about 15 years..).
I watched it up until a certain point like.. a year or two ago and then stopped because I just generally lost interest but I still watch it every now and then to see what's going on. Apparently when I was 2 and a little after I would be GLUED to the TV when watching wrestling :P and my mom used to be a wrestler for All-Star Wrestling which was a little local thing whatever with some of the producers+talent moving onto the WWF/WWE.
You don't back me up. :(
Jericho
22-06-2008, 07:36 PM
Actually, the attitude era was 1996 til early 03, late 02. But the end is debatable.
Misawa
22-06-2008, 07:41 PM
Nope. It ended when the invasion angle begun, and started in full swing in 1997. Thanks.
Jericho
22-06-2008, 07:50 PM
IMO its debatable. I remember the attitude era started a few weeks after Austin won KOTR. The ending for me was the draft. But you could say when the invasion angle started because thats when WWF had bought out the competition.
Misawa
22-06-2008, 07:51 PM
The foundations of the generation started when Austin won KOTR '96, but the era didn't properly get into full gear until 1997.
mangle
23-06-2008, 01:18 PM
Draft tonight. SCORE
Scouse
23-06-2008, 01:45 PM
yeah im looking forward to it, hope cena doesnt go to smackdown. but it said on a wwe news site that someone was making a spinning belt for the heavyweight championship so he could be :(
CJW93
23-06-2008, 02:47 PM
Draft Spoiler 1
The WWE Draft takes place tomorrow night on a special 3-hour edition of WWE RAW. WWE has promised to shake things up - here's the latest Draft news. Keep in mind that NONE of this stuff is confirmed:
-- The John Cena to SD! rumors continue to circulate among many backstage. This would be the 'big' shakeup. Keep in mind the Mickie James-John Cena storyline came to an abrupt end and they really want someone big as the main promotion when they move SD! to MyNetwork TV in the fall.
-- Much like previous years, WWE is keeping the draft very secretive, to the point that most all of the talent will find out if they're changing brands as soon as the audience does during the live show.
-- There has been some talk of moving the Women's Title to either ECW or Smackdown but no official decision has been made just yet. Vince feels that both of those brands need something to distinguish them from what RAW offers and the Women's Title just may be the answer to that.
-- JBL wanted to make his in-ring return on SD! several months back and he has Vince McMahon's ear. A move back to SD! for him would not shock m
Draft Spoiler 2
The WWE Draft takes place tomorrow night on a special 3-hour edition of WWE RAW. WWE has promised to shake things up - here's the latest Draft news. Keep in mind that NONE of this stuff is confirmed:
-- The John Cena to SD! rumors continue to circulate among many backstage. This would be the 'big' shakeup. Keep in mind the Mickie James-John Cena storyline came to an abrupt end and they really want someone big as the main promotion when they move SD! to MyNetwork TV in the fall.
-- Much like previous years, WWE is keeping the draft very secretive, to the point that most all of the talent will find out if they're changing brands as soon as the audience does during the live show.
-- There has been some talk of moving the Women's Title to either ECW or Smackdown but no official decision has been made just yet. Vince feels that both of those brands need something to distinguish them from what RAW offers and the Women's Title just may be the answer to that.
-- JBL wanted to make his in-ring return on SD! several months back and he has Vince McMahon's ear. A move back to SD! for him would not be a shock
Tristan
23-06-2008, 02:50 PM
I don't want Cena to go because I really dislike Smackdown but at least on Smackdown he could get another title reign and be perhaps more appreciated.
CJW93
23-06-2008, 03:11 PM
Kennedy hasn't done a great deal on Raw so he should go back to Smackdown, and Mvp move to Raw, and also Cm Punk Raw!!
Misawa
23-06-2008, 04:04 PM
Well I'll be watching live - looking forward to it.
CJW93
23-06-2008, 04:14 PM
Me to my mum was a bit skeptical about me watching live, with me having exams tomorrow in school but i said.
Me: "Mum, its the draft!"
Mum: "Is that important?"
Me: "Yes!"
Mum: If you don't ******* wake up for school there is going to be trouble!"
Lol, it better be worth it tonight.
Think it will be
Misawa
23-06-2008, 04:19 PM
Haha, that made me laugh. What time do you have to be up?
mangle
23-06-2008, 04:25 PM
Punk is doing nothing atm, send him to SD/Raw.
Apprently, some wrestlers (lower card) will have to log on to www.wwe.com to find out who has been drafted. Many will be told on the night whom is being drafted.
Scouse
23-06-2008, 05:46 PM
all im botherd about is cena staying. only wreslters i want on raw are cm punk, rey mysterio & kofi kingston
Misawa
23-06-2008, 05:53 PM
I can't imagine Mysterio on RAW, for some reason his look just doesn't suit it.
Jericho
23-06-2008, 05:58 PM
I could see Rey on Raw, only with 1 sacrifice. Mask!
But its a tradition, so it wont happen.
Him on ECW, bring back some of the original ECW flavor. Although vince being the 'Family guy' lately wont want weapons.. so ohwell.
Misawa
23-06-2008, 06:19 PM
Perhaps they could rehire The Sandman and Sabu... Oh wait, no, Sandman's an alcoholic collapsing at every indy show he's booked for, and Sabu needs rods in his back and will most likely never compete again.
Without the mask, Rey Mysterio is empty. WCW learned that.
Scouse
23-06-2008, 07:40 PM
could someone fill me in on what will happen tonight as i have never saw a draft before, will there still be matches? will the draft be at the start or end of the show? etc
mangle
23-06-2008, 07:51 PM
I think there are matches.
And I can't see Rey doing a live show every week, Bourne to SD.
Kofi to Raw would be okay.
And SPOILER
Edge is to cheat on Vickie, get caught and then shes turning face.
CJW93
23-06-2008, 08:59 PM
There will always be matches,
Starts live at 1am not 2 just to as a reminder
and the raw replay will also be three hours
majesticdragon
23-06-2008, 09:49 PM
I think there are matches.
And I can't see Rey doing a live show every week, Bourne to SD.
Kofi to Raw would be okay.
And SPOILER
Edge is to cheat on Vickie, get caught and then shes turning face.
we all knew this would happen taking to long though tbh :@ I hope it happens soon she's quite funny with him tbh though sly as.
mangle
23-06-2008, 09:57 PM
She recieves a LOT of heat at shows, people can't hear what she says. She's getting abused in the street etc I think it was time they pulled the plug.
CJW93
23-06-2008, 10:39 PM
Haha, that made me laugh. What time do you have to be up?
Sevenish lol but school dosent start until 8:20 but I only live 30 second walk from the school
Looking forward to a great nights sleep,
well two hours
Scouse
23-06-2008, 11:59 PM
how good would it be if it was mark henry vs big show vs kane for the ecw championship? the ring would probably calapse. raw on now :D
Misawa
24-06-2008, 12:07 AM
Well, Mark Henry's on anyway, heh.
Misawa
24-06-2008, 12:13 AM
Mysterio the first "random" pick for RAW.
CJW93
24-06-2008, 12:17 AM
Mysterio seems pretty ****** off walking down to the ring lol
Im watching ona live stream veryones like
Omg the luck of the draw lol
Kellys dance infront of the money (L)
Smackdown wina draft pick and they get Jeff Hardy!
You got a link for the stream?
CJW93
24-06-2008, 12:42 AM
http://www.justin.tv/ringo_tv
CJW93
24-06-2008, 12:44 AM
Decent quailty aswel, 30 seconds ahead of Sky Sports
Raw beat ecw
Draft Pick: CM PUNK
lol, yours is like 4minutes ahead of mine :P!
CJW93
24-06-2008, 12:50 AM
Sorry I didnt realise I wont post the draft results until the show is over,
No no, i don't mind lmao, i was just saying :P
Misawa
24-06-2008, 12:54 AM
It's now June 24th - a year to the day since Nancy and Daniel were murdered.
CJW93
24-06-2008, 12:55 AM
Chris was 25th?
& lol at Y2j trying to put over Lance Cade
Misawa
24-06-2008, 01:04 AM
HBK overselled that just a bit...
CJW93
24-06-2008, 01:04 AM
Lol you think?
Rolled on the floor screaming lol
dont you have school int he morning?
Misawa
24-06-2008, 01:08 AM
I was a Sixth Form student, Year 13. I finished in early May, had 5 exams until last week, now I'm done forever; decided against uni.
CJW93
24-06-2008, 01:09 AM
I was a Sixth Form student, Year 13. I finished in early May, had 5 exams until last week, now I'm done forever; decided against uni.
Thats the spirit!
Smackdown will win,
the ecw will win the battle royal
Any predictions on the next person to be drafted?
JBL or Umaga!!
Misawa
24-06-2008, 01:17 AM
I couldn't stop laughing when the first caller in Million Dollar Mania gave the correct password and Vince said, "Guess what!? You're a LOSER!". Hahaha.
CJW93
24-06-2008, 01:22 AM
Great pick for Ecw
Misawa
24-06-2008, 01:29 AM
Perhaps Matt will win his first World Title, probably his only one too.
CJW93
24-06-2008, 01:30 AM
He must be so pissed right now that hes inbEcw, I would
He must be so pissed right now that hes inbEcw, I would
Not really much of a change for him, will be just like going to SD.
CJW93
24-06-2008, 01:35 AM
Announcers only draft
Mike Adelme for raw!!
CJW93
24-06-2008, 01:39 AM
Bullying Melina :(
Cole On Raw
Lmao!!!!!!
J.R seems really pissed off
CJW93
24-06-2008, 01:44 AM
Poor old Jr was nearly crying, feel sorry for good old Jr
Misawa
24-06-2008, 01:45 AM
He found just as we did. That's so terrible that JR got drafted, he's so annoyed and I'm not surprised. RAW will never, ever be the same without JR and Lawler, as great as Foley + JR team would be. I am so annoyed right now, they should never have been broken up.
He found just as we did. That's so terrible that JR got drafted, he's so annoyed and I'm not surprised. RAW will never, ever be the same without JR and Lawler, as great as Foley + JR team would be. I am so annoyed right now, they should never have been broken up.
I think J.R will get drafted back some how..
I think J.R will get drafted back some how..
LOL. Wrong number!! Ouch!
CJW93
24-06-2008, 01:48 AM
Khali screaming down the phone to that guy made me laught
Main event
Edge v John Cena!
Misawa
24-06-2008, 01:50 AM
That was hilarious.
I AM SO annoyed at King and Ross being split up. I hope to God they're put back somehow, but I know Cole has been groomed to become the main voice of WWE for quite some time now.
CJW93
24-06-2008, 01:51 AM
Ademle should be on Raw
That was hilarious.
I AM SO annoyed at King and Ross being split up. I hope to God they're put back somehow, but I know Cole has been groomed to become the main voice of WWE for quite some time now.
Isn't their supposed to be a small draft after the show also?
Misawa
24-06-2008, 01:53 AM
FRUITESTA FREEZE. TOPPED WITH REAL REFRESHING STRAWBERRIES.
Sick to death of that advert.
There is a draft on WWE.com after the show with the remaining superstars, and they have to log on themselves to find out! It's so harsh. If Carlito logged on and found out he was going to ECW he'd walk and never come back. It doesn't effect the televised draft though, so JR is permanent for today anyway, and most likely for at least the next year. :(
CJW93
24-06-2008, 01:54 AM
Boooo Cena coming out
FRUITESTA FREEZE. TOPPED WITH REAL REFRESHING STRAWBERRIES.
Sick to death of that advert.
There is a draft on WWE.com after the show with the remaining superstars, and they have to log on themselves to find out! It's so harsh. If Carlito logged on and found out he was going to ECW he'd walk and never come back. It doesn't effect the televised draft though, so JR is permanent for today anyway, and most likely for at least the next year. :(
Oh, that pretty much sucks.
CJW93
24-06-2008, 01:59 AM
Im watching the American broadcast on www.justin.tv (http://www.justin.tv)
Misawa
24-06-2008, 02:02 AM
I get the feeling that they're doing this match because they're both staying on their current brands.
Bad finish.
CJW93
24-06-2008, 02:04 AM
Cena wins Raw a pick via count out
Batista on Raw!!
Misawa
24-06-2008, 02:05 AM
Would be better if they didn't have he guy in the ring when the pick is made...
Would be better if they didn't have he guy in the ring when the pick is made...
Yeah. It was a bit too predictable that he was going to be the next draftee when he came out.
Misawa
24-06-2008, 02:07 AM
Obviously the major draft picks are pre-informed, but the not so major find out at the same time as us.
CJW93
24-06-2008, 02:07 AM
You just know how Smackdown are getting next, when is the mid carders draft,
straight after RaW?
Misawa
24-06-2008, 02:08 AM
Those live autographs are like $300.
I think last year it was noon Tuesday.
I hope Justin Roberts gets drafted to RAW, I LOVE his announcing.
I just realised, Lawler could well be drafted to SmackDown!
How damn fast does that ref. count?
Colin Delaney weighs about 50 pounds soaking wet.
Misawa
24-06-2008, 02:15 AM
The Samoan BULLDOG, says Adamle, going to SmackDown!.
Not entirely sure why Delaney has a job... He looks like Ralph Little.
Those live autographs are like $300.
I think last year it was noon Tuesday.
I hope Justin Roberts gets drafted to RAW, I LOVE his announcing.
I just realised, Lawler could well be drafted to SmackDown!
How damn fast does that ref. count?
Colin Delaney weighs about 50 pounds soaking wet.
Rip off!
Nah, keep Lillian on Raw :D!
I don't like Delaney lol.
CJW93
24-06-2008, 02:18 AM
Delany is a weed lol
Misawa
24-06-2008, 02:19 AM
He is. He doesn't have an ounce of muscle on his body. Why the hell does he have a job? I was hoping THE SAMOAN BULLDOG~!'s Gunnslinger was going to break Delaney's back.
Have a feeling Lawler will go to SmackDown!. Hope so anywya.
CJW93
24-06-2008, 02:25 AM
I have a suspspison that Kingston will win
And Cena goes Ecw
ahha
CJW93
24-06-2008, 02:30 AM
Raw gets Kane, pretty crap tbh
Raw gets Kane, pretty crap tbh
Noooo, that's ace :D
CJW93
24-06-2008, 02:36 AM
Lol the women at the show wins the giveaway, becuase thats a coinsidence
Now 15 Man Battle Royal
Misawa
24-06-2008, 02:41 AM
Should be one hell of a Battle Royal.
CJW93
24-06-2008, 02:42 AM
15 of the top guys,
Smackodwn will win
Ecw will get more picks in the midinght trade thing
CJW93
24-06-2008, 02:51 AM
Battle Royal pretty boring tbh
Taking to long
These bloody Dragonball Z adverts :l!
Neversoft would orgasm over 'em!
CJW93
24-06-2008, 03:03 AM
Triple H on Smackdown!!!
He will not be happy
*** the ending was crazy
Misawa
24-06-2008, 03:07 AM
Vince is dead again...
Lol! They better make a good angle out of it
Misawa
24-06-2008, 03:15 AM
Just a way to end million dollar mania.
mangle
24-06-2008, 08:10 AM
Anyone got a decent link for me to stream ?
I've been avoiding results all night!
mangle
24-06-2008, 10:07 AM
Nevermind
Good draft imo!!
majesticdragon
24-06-2008, 10:34 AM
OMG can't believe HHH and jeff on SD!
Scouse
24-06-2008, 12:14 PM
hhahaaha that vince thing was hilarious. cant believe JR has gone to smackdown. raw wont be the same without him, and jeff! not botherd about triple h though. glad cena never got drafted. and about the thing which i posted earlier of the world heavyweight championship getting a spinner, does this mean that wwe championship would now be on smackdown and batista wins world heavyweight and that stays on raw, cena wins it and becomes a spinner? and i think the raw drafts are quite exciting.
Jericho
24-06-2008, 12:15 PM
i want to see how WWE sort the 'Both world chamionships on one brand' situation..
maybe unify them at Night of Champions.
TBH, Mick foley and Jim Ross commentated most of last night anyway. JR was acting like he didnt want to split, he will be fine next week.
Great draft over all.
Dont forget
Wrestlemani 25 press conference tonight @6pm.
mangle
24-06-2008, 12:18 PM
Punk Jericho NOC?
Noone fighting him atm.
Jericho
24-06-2008, 12:21 PM
Punk Jericho NOC?
Noone fighting him atm.
Sounds about right. Jericho to win though.
Punk will go on to cash his MITB later this year, maybe scummerslam?
About the Vince thing:
http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=21265
lol, some of those theories actually sound pretty nice and I hope it turns out big..
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